Talk:Bob Hainlen

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A fact from Bob Hainlen appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 December 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Bob Hainlen, at the age of 22, was both a player and an assistant coach for a professional American football team?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/December. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bob Hainlen.

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GA Review

Passed. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:37, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Bob Hainlen/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: BeanieFan11 (talk · contribs) 02:47, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: WikiOriginal-9 (talk · contribs) 04:27, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Lead might need expanded a little.
- Expanded a bit.
change "former American" to something else.
- Changed.
Jersey number needs a ref.
- Added.
New high school infobox formatting.
- Done.
Full name in body with ref.
- Done.
Added cats: Coaches of American football from Colorado, American football punters, American football placekickers, Colorado State Rams men's basketball players, Colorado State Rams baseball players, Basketball players from Colorado, Baseball players from Colorado, Baseball shortstops
link football, basketball, and track in early life
- Done.
"He enrolled at the Colorado State College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts (now known as Colorado State University) – Colorado A&M" shouldn't the Colorado State parentheses go after Colorado A&M.
- Done.
Change Colorado State in infobox to A&M.
- Done.
"he called "the region's best passer" was named an honorable mention all-conference selection at the end of the year." Change to "he was called "the region's best passer" and named an honorable mention all-conference selection at the end of the year."
- Done.
link golf and tennis on first instance
- Done.
"Hainlen was selected in the 19th round (188th overall) of the 1949 NFL draft by the Washington Redskins" change to "Hainlen was selected by the Washington Redskins in the 19th round, with the 188th overall pick, of the 1949 NFL draft."
- Done.
link NFL training camp.
- Done.
Why does it say Redskins 1950 in the infobox?
- Removed it – although there should be probably a discussion at some point on whether it is appropriate to include the years when the players were there in the offseason (e.g. currently, if someone was signed in e.g. May 1950 then released in June 1950, we'd list them as '1950' in the infobox, but if they were there in 1949 as well we'd list just '1949', which seems a bit odd imo).
  - The infobox years get really cluttered if you do it like. If you went to Josh Johnson's page and did that, the infobox would look a little silly and be less informative. Most NFL players get cut in camp the next year. There would be very few one-year infobox spans if we did it like that. Yankees10 removes them too.
Anything on later life? He's almost 100 years old, there's might be something.
- I don't remember finding any other coverage on his later life.
  - Fair enough. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:21, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I just connected my Pete Thomas GA to this article. Nice. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:30, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's everything. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiOriginal-9: BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, that'a everything. Nice work! ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:34, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I did a spot check of the sources and didn't find any issues. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 23:48, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Bob Hainlen, one of the youngest players for the Wilmington Clippers professional football team, was also the team's assistant coach?

Source: News Journal

ALT1: ... that football player Bob Hainlen, although only 17 years old and the youngest starting quarterback in his college's history, was described as already being a "master" of the position? Source: quote from this article ("he handles passing assignments, and play-calling like a master") + this for being youngest in school history
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Xinwen Bao
Comment: QPQ to be done within 24 hours.

Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 267 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Article was promoted to GA status on time, it is adequately sourced, and it is free from close paraphrasing. A full QPQ has been done. Among the hooks, the first one is the better option, and it is cited inline and verified in the Newspapers.com clipping. However, I think that mentioning his age at the time (22) rather than just saying he was "one of the youngest players" might actually make the hook more interesting. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Narutolovehinata5: So, something like ALT2 ... that 22-year-old Bob Hainlen, one of the youngest players for the Wilmington Clippers professional football team, was also the team's assistant coach? BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That actually adds further complexity: might be better to just drop "youngest players". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:57, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: What about then: ALT3 ... that 22-year-old Bob Hainlen, in addition to playing for the Wilmington Clippers professional football team, also served as their assistant coach? Also, if that works, what do you think about the possibility of a date request for December 18, his 98th birthday? BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:17, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's just outside the six-week outside limit for special occasion requests, so you'll need to ask for an exemption over at WT:DYK. I suspect though given the closeness that it will be approved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:09, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: I posted a date request. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:55, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As for the hooks, ALT2 could still probably be reworded to make the connection with him playing and assistant coaching at 22 somewhat more direct (i.e. not using "22-year-old" as an adjective). I'm ready to approve the nom once that's resolved regardless of the status of the IAR exemption request. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:39, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Maybe one of the two below?

ALT3 ... that at age 22, Bob Hainlen both played and was assistant coach for the Wilmington Clippers professional football team?

ALT4 ... that Bob Hainlen was both a player and assistant coach for the Wilmington Clippers professional football team at age 22?

Or could remove Clippers entirely, e.g. ALT5 ... that Bob Hainlen was both a player and assistant coach for a professional football team at age 22? / ALT6 ... that at age 22, Bob Hainlen was both a player and assistant coach for a professional football team? BeanieFan11 (talk) 04:16, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We're almost there. The issue is that you'll need to specify American football since "football" to most of the world is soccer (or is other sports in some countries). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:30, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should "football" be linked to American football or should I instead put "American football" in the hook? BeanieFan11 (talk) 04:38, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not a fan of adding more blue links than necessary, so should be the full name without being linked. WP:SEAOFBLUE sort of applies here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:31, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: So: ALT7 ... that at age 22, Bob Hainlen both played and was assistant coach for the Wilmington Clippers professional American football team? / ALT8 ... that Bob Hainlen was both a player and assistant coach for the Wilmington Clippers professional American football team at age 22? / ALT9 ... that Bob Hainlen was both a player and assistant coach for a professional American football team at age 22? / ALT10 ... that at age 22, Bob Hainlen was both a player and assistant coach for a professional American football team? BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That works. I will leave to the promoter whether or not the mention of the Wilmington Clippers is necessary or not. As for the special occasion request, that will depend on the discussion, but it seems to have run its course in favor of approval so I guess I can also support it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:44, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]