Talk:Ramallah

Twin cities

Ramallah and Al Bireh has more twin cities than sighted here, I know for a fact that the french city of Bordeaux is a sister city of Ramallah. See Ramallah's official webpage http://www.ramallah.ps/english.aspx and this brochure about the subject from the same site http://www.ramallah.ps/pics/partners.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.205.48.12 (talk) 11:16, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

That's true, you should also add San fer Treus72 (talk) 12:16, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Untitled

Instead of repeating the phrase "great hardship on the Palestinian population" about 4 times, it would be more helpful if someone wrote at least a sentance to give some idea what effect the curfew had on Palestinian life.

Small change

I made a change that should be non-controversial, but just in case, felt like I should point it out. There is no such thing as an "Jewish-only" road in Israel, neither legally or in practice. Israeli-only roads, as in for cars traveling with Israeli license plates, are used by Israeli Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike. - Californian, 10/1/2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.197.224 (talk) 05:38, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Linking with birmingham

Should this be here since there are no formal ties between Birmingham and Ramallah.

Cultural references

How about adding a section for references to Ramallah in literature/culture? I'd add "I Saw Ramallah" by Mourid Barghouti (an excellent book). I'd like to find out about other books/references, etc.

what does Rammallah means?

just by curiosity, what does the name Ramallah mean? i assume its Ram(meaning??) + Allah("God"), so what does Ram mean? - --Cyprus2k1 14:28, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I don't speak Arabic but Google says it means "God's High Place". Alensha 18:37, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Ram is a Hindu God too...it may symbolize meeting of two civilisations also. No. When have Hindus ever met with Palestinian monotheists? When has a Hindu civilization even existed in the middle-east? None have. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.131.9 (talk) 00:14, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Hindu's in Central Asia and Palestinians in the Mediterranean had no literally no interaction in the past, besides the period when part of India was ruled by the Persian empire that also spanned West towards the Mediterranean, even then, the language and culture of the Empire was Persian, and the Hindus would have had no influence whatsoever on people in the West of the Empire besides spices and goods that came from trade routes.

The "Ram" in the city Ramallah is from the old Aramaic word meaning High place or Mountain The "Allah" in Ramallah is modern Arabic for God/Lord but stems from the Aramaic root for God/Lord "Elah", Hebrew also has the word Elah which stems from the old Aramaic. So many hundreds of years before Islam and even Christianity and even Judaism, Ramallah would have been just that, Ramelah, to it's inhabitants. Lazyfoxx (talk) 05:48, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

However there are proofs that during the time of Chandragupta Maurya (285 BC), Hindu empire spread throughout the middle east thus proving the presence of Hinduism in middle east. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.160.104.254 (talk) 08:28, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Ram

Ram is defined as a "hill" - so Ram Allah would mean Hill of God

In the Scriptures  it can be found that the Empire of the Lord RAM (Bharat Varsha) span to the Entire world .
This was the Time when No Religion was practicised more than 7000 Yrs. Which is much before existense of any known modern religion .
SO definately it has a connection of Lord RAM and later the word Allah came with religion of Islam. Similarly is the hindu Kush Valley in Afganistan 
Which was a territory of KUSH the elder Son of Lord RAM .  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.41.84.80 (talk) 12:34, 30 January 2020 (UTC) 

Surely the name Ram is the name of the Hindu God - - making Ramallah a name for a place which was sacred to both the Hindu and Muslim. No. Why on earth would a land of monotheistic Semites with a bunch of ancient exclusively Semitic Gods have anything to do with Hinduism? Ram is a Semitic root word that's translatable to hill, or establishment. Like the word "Tel" present in front of the names of many Palestinian villages corresponds to "Spring." It has nothing to do with one of the many Hindu Gods. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.131.9 (talk) 00:13, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Hill (opolis in latin) often refers to city. Ramallah means "city of god," last I checked.Dean Sayers 11:07, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Ram in Arabic is the past form of Yaroum "يروم" and means either "pursued" or "willed / destined" depending on the context, here it means "God willed" , the word is used in classic Arabic and not in everyday arabic by the way Habibko 08:58, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Ram is Hebrew and means high place, or plateau as in Ramat Hagolan Golan Heights.

You have to know that Hindu civilization goes at least 32 000 BC while Islam came into existence in 700 AD. Indian science and culture was very popular in the past before Greece. For example it had the first cities of the world in Harappa, Mohanjodor's and Dwarka. All these go back from 6000 BC to 32 000 BC. Ity is quite possible that when people there converted they still kept the Lord Rama's name. Like Ram-daan which means donation in the name of lord Rama or Ram Allah (Ram which is Allah). People forget but names stay. I find in US people named Ram Ji but spelled differently. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.91.120.54 (talk) 00:29, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

^ The "Ram" in the city Ramallah is from the old Aramaic word meaning High place or Mountain, the Aramaic language has been in Palestine for thousands of years, civilizations in Palestine and the surrounding holy land, even the rest of the Mediterranean are among the oldest civilizations on the Planet, going back many tens of thousands of years. The Allah in Ram is modern Arabic for God/Lord but stems from the Aramaic word for God/Lord "Elah", so many hundreds of years before Islam and even Christianity and Judaism, Ramallah would have been just that, Ramelah to it's inhabitants. Lazyfoxx (talk) 05:41, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Major Rewrite

I've been working on rewriting this article for a few weeks now (in my free time). The article that was there before was horribly lacking and focused on a very narrow aspect of what Ramallah is, not to mention many factually incorrect assertions. I hope people like this better, and agree that it's as neutral as possible. Ramallite ^(talk) 3 July 2005 07:46 (UTC)

Much of it is good, but other parts are contentious. To begin with, please remember that this is an article about Ramallah, not the entire Israeli-Palestinian conflict. As such, it should only contain information that is directly relevant to Ramallah, and not simply be a reprise of the conflict from the Palestinian POV. As well, it contains some unsourced material, and some POV material. My edits and comments on the edits should make that clear. Jayjg ^(talk) 3 July 2005 08:03 (UTC)

I'll have to work on your edits a little later on, but before I do, maybe you might want to consider these:

• Mention of the curfew clamped on Ramallah for the census did not have to be removed as it was accurate
  • How long did it last? This is the whole history of Ramallah, how much detail is needed about this particular event in this still small article? The exact method of conducting the census is not particularly relevant. Jayjg ^(talk) 3 July 2005 09:31 (UTC)

• Will add my UN source of Ramallah land confiscated - although English references are hard to find
  • Good. Jayjg ^(talk) 3 July 2005 09:31 (UTC)

• Molotov cocktails were common, but hand grenades, explosives, and gunfire? Do you have sources for these? I remember reading about one or two instances of gunfire, but that's about it....
  • Apparently there were over 100 hand grenade attacks and more than 500 attacks with guns or explosives. Jayjg ^(talk) 3 July 2005 09:31 (UTC)
    • Where is the (reliable) source for these stats? Ramallite ^(talk) 3 July 2005 16:41 (UTC)
      • The information comes from the Intifada article itself. Jayjg ^(talk) 3 July 2005 19:26 (UTC)
• The are called "Jewish settlements" for 2 reasons: 1- Not all who live in them are Israeli citizens, although they are all Jewish (incl non-citizen new immigrants), and 2- non-Jewish Israelis are not allowed to live there (i.e. Israeli Arabs, Druze, Beduin, others are not allowed in the settlements). Therefore they are called "Jewish" settlements.
  • The world (and Wikipedia) has a name for them. Would you prefer "Jewish towns"? Jayjg ^(talk) 3 July 2005 09:31 (UTC)
    • Actually I would prefer "Jewish-only colonies", since that is what they effectively are. But that's just me, since you asked :)

How about calling Ramallah an Arab-only colony since Jews are not allowed to live there? Ramallite ^(talk) 3 July 2005 16:41 (UTC)

• That there were many Palestinian fatalities in the first days of Intifada 2 is very significant, they did not slowly revert to arms because it's fun, but because of the overwhelming and excessive use of force (not my words) of the Israeli response to the demonstrations that left so many dead or wounded....
  • This is an article about Ramallah, not an article about the whole conflict. If the text is something that would have to be copied into every single article on every town and village in the West Bank and Gaza, then that's a good sign it is generic information that belongs in some other article. Jayjg ^(talk) 3 July 2005 09:31 (UTC)
    • But the demonstrations in Ramallah were one of the most reported because of the casualties, and the fact that they also happened elsewhere doesn't in any way diminish their importance to Ramallah specifically in this article. If an earthquake struck Palestine and damaged structures in many cities including Ramallah (such as what happened in 1927), you can't argue that if you are writing only about Ramallah, you can't mention the earthquake damage there. Ramallite ^(talk) 3 July 2005 16:41 (UTC)
      • If you have information specifically about the Ramallah demonstrations, that would be a great addition; generic information about the overall conflict is not helpful. Regarding the earthquake, if you had information about damage to Ramallah structures, that would make sense here; overall, the quake would be documented in an article about the British Mandate. Jayjg ^(talk) 3 July 2005 19:24 (UTC)
• According to the referred source, only one body was thrown from the balcony and dragged on the streets, not both. (re lynching).
  • Really? Most sources I've seen indicate it was both. If correct, I suppose the article could be modified to reflect that, though I don't understand what substantive difference it makes - do you think it makes the whole incident less horrific? That if Israelis had only known that it wouldn't have had as big an impact on them? Was the blood on the palms of one of the lynchers which he proudly displayed out the window also from only one of the Israelis? Should the article reflect that as well? Jayjg ^(talk) 3 July 2005 09:31 (UTC)
    • Not necessary to put words in my mouth. That comment was there because you attach great emphasis on making sure the written content agrees with the source, nothing more. If we want to talk about who has done more horrific things to the other, we can, but not in this article. The Palestinians did not build a shrine to honor the killers in the mob, unlike what settlers did for Baruch Goldstein who mowed down 29 Palestinians in Hebron in '94 Ramallite ^(talk) 3 July 2005 16:41 (UTC)
      • I wasn't putting words in your mouth, I was using hyperbole and sarcasm to make a point; that said, it was uncivil, and I apologize. Regarding Goldstein, he certainly has some supporters, who believe the intent and effect of his acts was to avert a much larger pogrom by Arabs. However, the vast majority of Israelis viewed his actions with horror, and Kach was banned as a direct result of supporting his actions. In contrast, from what I can tell, the Palestinian response to the lynching was mostly support and justification; if there were other reactions, I'd be interested in hearing about them. Jayjg ^(talk) 3 July 2005 19:24 (UTC)
        • There was plenty of justification yes, but not sure about actual "support' though; no actual poll that I know of was taken regarding sentiments towards the lynching, but as far as justification, if only there was a way to publish the pictures of the mangled faces of the dead or wounded Palestinians around Ramallah in the two weeks prior. That would put the wild anger of the mob in context (doesn't make it all right though, it's all damn unfortunate). Ramallite ^(talk) 4 July 2005 03:51 (UTC)
• The crappy economic conditions as cited by the world bank was a major factor in many Ramallah expatriates leaving and going back where they came from - why did you delete that? The wall going up around the city is also significant and directly relevant to Ramallah - again, why did you delete that?
  • See above; if the information applies to every Palestinian town and city, then it belongs in a more general article, not here. And I didn't remove the information about the barrier going up around the city. Jayjg ^(talk) 3 July 2005 09:31 (UTC)
    • Again, unless it also happens to be directly pertinent to Ramallah-specific events, such as the exodus of expatriates Ramallite ^(talk) 3 July 2005 16:41 (UTC)
      • Yes, if you can find some Ramallah specific information that would be great. Jayjg ^(talk) 3 July 2005 19:24 (UTC)

Ramallite ^(talk) 3 July 2005 09:10 (UTC)

Ramallite, your re-write obviously took a lot of effort, and made a significant improvement to the article. However, I think if you look at the article with a more dispassionate eye, you will realize that even now it contains a great deal of information, particularly in the latter sections, that is generically about the conflict, and not specifically related to the city itself. It would be like, for example, having a long section about the reasons, causes, and effects of the Civil War in the United States inserted into the individual articles describing every city and town in the United States that existed at that time. Yes, they were all affected by the war in one way or another; but only information relevant to the individual cities and towns (e.g. if the town was burnt down by invading troops) belong in the specific articles. Jayjg ^(talk) 3 July 2005 19:24 (UTC)

I spent some time making sure that anything that was too general was so just to put the situation in context before refocusing of Ramallah itself. What is probably hard for non-Ramallah residents to understand is that the story of the Intifada is the story of Ramallah in many respects. There were so many fatalities, house demolitions, rocket attacks, closure, etc in Ramallah that just kept getting worse since 1987. I have tried my best to deviate only when necessary for context, and then promptly refocus on Ramallah. I wrote what I did assuming that many readers have no knowledge of the details that led to the current conflict. Describing why the two Intifadas started was needed for context before I could describe their impact on Ramallah residents. The unemployment and world bank information was necessary to explain why the expatriates (a largely Ramallah-only phenomenon) returned to where they came from. Also, operation defensive shield had its unique toll on Ramallah as I tried to point out. In Nablus, it was a month-long curfew and 90 dead Palestinians in the Kasbah; in Jenin, it was the Jenin camp killings and razing of half the camp; and in Ramallah, it was the sporadic killing of those that violated curfew (including a couple of kids under 10 who just happened to walk out onto the balcony who got a bullet to the head) but especially the vandalism and theft that the invasion is remembered for. I do have a lot more Ramallah specific info, but I try to source my info from international sources as much as possible, which limits a lot of information unfortunately. Please point out any segments that you think are too general, and I'll try to see if I can fix those. Thanks Ramallite ^(talk) 4 July 2005 03:51 (UTC)

The lengthy descriptions of the CA are general and probably belong in more general article, as is the information about the Madrid Peace Conference, and still some of the general description of the Al-Aqsa intifada. Jayjg ^(talk) 4 July 2005 17:07 (UTC)

By the way, do you wonder, as I do, whether the middle east-related pages actually have more editors than readers? Ramallite ^(talk) 4 July 2005 03:54 (UTC)

Ones like this probably get few readers. General ones, like Israel or Palestine or Six-Day War, get many, many readers. Jayjg ^(talk) 4 July 2005 17:07 (UTC)

Ramallite, I have to say the quality of some of the links provided is pretty poor. Anonymous opinion pieces really don't belong on Wikipedia, and some of the other sources provided, while not anonymous, might as well be, since they quote unknown or anonymous people, or people making vague and unsourced claims, and in any event come from clearly highly biased sources. Jayjg ^(talk) 5 July 2005 15:26 (UTC)

• Ramallite, I disagree with Jayjg. Your sources appear constructive. 5 July 2005 15:36 (UTC) Jayjg, however, prefers pro-Zionist POV.69.209.239.161 5 July 2005 15:36 (UTC)

My response would be as follows:

• My sources are generally more reliable that those from other articles having to do with the middle east, especially when compared to other links written elsewhere that point to pretty radical, if not racist, pages.
• I try to avoid linking to sources that are too POV themselves, such as those that are clearly anti Zionist. The flipside is that this severely limits the accuracy of the information I can provide (such as land confiscation statistics, etc).
• Some links that are considered "shady" are themselves compilations of various reliable media sources, including Israeli and international sources.
• Some links are the best possible English sources I can find whereas the Arabic ones would provide a lot more information.

As always, I welcome any specific comments and suggestions of specific problems, but chances are that I will be able to point out much worse examples elsewhere. Ramallite ^(talk) 5 July 2005 15:49 (UTC)

This link in particular is non-encyclopedic:[1]. This link is highly POV:[2], as are some of the other sources in general (e.g. Palestinemonitor, Zmag), which, in fact, are quite obviously anti-Zionist at a minimum. And what happens in other articles isn't the point; I'm trying to point out weaknesses in this article so you can fix them and make it "bulletproof". Jayjg ^(talk) 5 July 2005 18:53 (UTC)

The first non-encyclopedic link was there only to source the founding year of the CA, and I've replaced it. The "highly POV" link, while clearly anti-occupation (who wants their land confiscated?), is one of the few English language pages that offers a lengthy description of land confiscation based on Palestinian and Israeli sources (which are all referenced in that article - Al-Fajr (Palestinian daily), Ma'ariv (Israeli daily), etc), and also includes personal interviews. These land confiscations did happen, nobody disputes that. I've re-directed that link to page 3 of the article instead of page 1, which has some Ramallah specific stories but with much less rhetoric than the intro on page 1. As for Palestine Monitor and others, I don't agree that they are anti Zionist per se. They are strongly anti occupation though, which I guess can be construed as anti Zionist but not necessarily. Palestine Monitor, for example, is run by the office of Mustafa Barghouti, a candidate in the recent Palestinian elections (came in second with 19% of the vote - but 50% of the Ramallah vote :) ), and that office is an NGO; Dr. Barghouti frequently hosts Israelis there. The Monitor contains articles by anti-occupation Israeli Jews (and I've added another link by Amira Haas). One must remember that a lot of Zionists are anti-occupation. Yossi Beilin and probably all Israeli Jews who worked on the Geneva Accords (including Amram Mitzna and Amnon Lipkin-Shahak, both former IDF chiefs of staff) are ardent Zionists, but their definition of reality regarding Zionism is quite different from Sharon's. I sometimes wish that Zionists would realize that one can either side with Israel, or with occupation, but not both. Ramallite ^(talk) 6 July 2005 18:00 (UTC)

8 Families of Ramallah

the article states that there were 8 main families in ramallah that modern day people can trace thier ancestry to, was wondering if anyone could point out these 8 family names. just checking moms side, since i know my dad's family migrated from Yafa after one of the wars.7areega 20:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Intifada Sections POV

The intifada sections, particularly the second one, are extremely POV against Israel and do not mention the reasonings for curfews and other IDF actions. The sections should either remove anti-Israel statements or add the other side of the issue. --יהושועEric 00:24, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

They don't seem to state much against Israel. In fact, they point to plenty of violent acts by palestinians without giving reasons for them, and the curfews seem to have the implicated purpose of defense of Israel / Israeli forces:

"Israeli army reservists were captured near Ramallah and taken to the main police station. According to the Palestinian police chief, attempts were made to shield the two from an angry mob just back from a funeral of a Palestinian killed by Israelis, but the police were overcome by the men who stormed the station and killed the two reservists, mutilated their bodies, and dragged them through the streets."

The whole thing seems fairly level to me. It talks about what happened in and around Ramallah. It seems like a pro Palestinian POV would be a bit more reserved about how they talk about that instance specifically. Also, a statement isn't anti-Israeli unless it makes a political statement about Israel; there seems to be plenty of negative actions described on both sides, but little judgemental tone. If you want to add more specific points about Palestinian aggression, or reasons for Israeli aggression, that seems fine, as long as its relevant. But I suggest we remove the POV tag, unless you can cite specifics I didn't see.Dean Sayers 10:54, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

To-do list

This article has quite a few obstacles in the way of a GA nomination. They are the following:

• Urgent need to cleanup and verify the enormous history section of the article. There is a lot of insignificant material that should be either removed or relocated to another section.
• Needs a Demographics section which will deal with its population, religious make-up, refugees, gender make-up, etc.
• Needs a Economy section dealing with labor force, main economic centers, shopping, tourism, industry of any sort, communications, etc
• Needs a Transportation section dealing with roads, closures and transport stations.
• Needs a Geography and climate section.
• Needs expansion on Government to include mentions on seats of municipal council, mayoral law and dominant political parties.
• More elaboration Culture section.
• Rewrite of lead.
• More verification throughout the article.

--Al Ameer son (talk) 03:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

POV

All sorts of problems, particularly no mention of refugees and patchy references to occupation. 94.116.0.198 (talk) 15:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Israeli occupation

So why the other are not called "occupation" too? Like Jordanian occupation so so on? It is funny so read "trusted by other Arabs" when Jordan was also a product of imperialism as other countries in the region which borders were drawn without taking into account local populations. And it si ridiculous now that some people are very pround to be Egyption, or Iraq which are product of European colonialism. Even if it was trusted by other Arabs to take care of the Arabs in in British Mandate they were enforcing their agenda and never supported a Palestinian State, instead thei annexed man parts of the country.Targumferera (talk) 10:50, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

For one thing; when Jordan annexed the West Bank, the people there were give equal rights as the rest of the population. Say, as anyone in Amman. The population of Ramallah does´t "quite" have the same rights as the people of Tel Aviv, do they? And if the international community had treated Israel and Jordan equally, then few countries would have accepted Israel outside the borders given in United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:45, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

I am surprised that some is naming the Israeli military occupation of the west bank as a management?!?!?

west bank is NOT a company to be managed! it's a pure military occupation, and even israel itself calls it occupation!--213.6.0.225 (talk) 08:14, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Since it's not about content dispute, but user editing habits, I've replied here. --ElComandanteChe (talk) 09:13, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

your answer is NOT relevant to my question, and does NOT even make sense!

admins should help and guide others, not to be rude and mean! --213.6.0.225 (talk) 18:26, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

any logical and objective answer?--213.6.0.225 (talk) 17:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Here we go. This section is about three things: 1) Jordanian occupation (whole of it), 2) the beginning of Israeli occupation and 3) the part of the period of Israeli occupation, in which Ramallah was managed by Israeli Civil Administration. Basically, Ramallah is still occupied by Israel, but managed by Palestinian Authority. Thus, naming this section "Jordanian and Israeli occupation" is ambiguous, for the later periods (covered in sections 1.5 First Intifada, 1.6 Second Intifada, 1.7 Most important city in the Palestinian territories) do belong to the period of Israeli occupation too. And additional reason: the discussed section deals mostly with the management aspect of occupation, rather then with other aspects, such as resistance to occupation, law enforcement by military force, economical aspects of occupation, rights violation, 4th Geneva convention, etc. --ElComandanteChe (talk) 20:54, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

thats how admins should act! they should help and explain, not just revert and threaten! thanks!

at any rate, i do not agree with the title as i feel that its misleading, as the ramallah is not a company to be managed! its a city that is being occupied and controlled by a foreign country by force and military; so calling it management is misleading, biased and does not represent the truth.

then we have to make something clear, as jordan was not occupying ramallah, because jordan was trusted by the palestinians and the arab world to take care of the west bank because the palestinians did not have their own government or army, as palestine was under the british occupation, and then the british withdrew and handed it over to the zionists, and the palestinians were not able to defend themselves, thats why jordan was in control; so calling it jordan "management" is fine with me, even though i believe that any foreign country that controls other country is called occupation

but, israel was not managing west bank at all, israel military occupied the west bank, imprison its residents, killed them, ethnic cleansed them, forced them to pay taxes, implied its own curriculum on the occupied schools.... its pure occupation by a foreign country. so i believe that u should find another word instead of "management" as it does not fit. thanks!

looking forward for ur feedback--213.6.0.225 (talk) 09:50, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not admin, what makes you think I am? The rest is your opinion, not backed by sources, sorry. --ElComandanteChe (talk) 10:07, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

my answer is more logical than yours, and more close to the truth than urs as well.

was ur answer backed by any sources?--213.6.0.225 (talk) 15:28, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Huge problems here

I see that User:Al Ameer son already in 2008 asked for more sources...after all these years it is still a major problem. I can find no sources for:

• 2.1 The Paleolithic and Neolithic Eras
• 2.2 The Chalcolithic Era and Bronze Age
• 2.3 The Iron Age

..Finkelstein has none. I suggest we just remove those sections. Another big problem is the "modern foundation" myth, typical for Christian villages, that they escaped there to avoid a marriage of a daughter to a Muslim. This is a common myth (see e.g. Rafidia)...and wrong, as modern research (see e.g. Ellenblum) shows a continuos Christian presence from the Byzantine era until today, in those places which are still Christian today. See also the 1597 daftar-numbers. I simply think we need to cut them out, or down in size, or make very sure that they appear as what they are: myths. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 16:23, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Also, is it possible to get hold of this:

• Grant, E. (1926). "Ramallah. Signs of the early occupation of this and other sites". Quarterly statement - Palestine Exploration Fund: 186–195.

...it would be great. Huldra (talk) 19:48, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

I have many issues of PEFQSt but not this one. I ordered it. Zero^talk 23:14, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Can either the history section be expanded to include literally anything about this location during the Roman era, or the Roman ruins picture be removed from the introductory area? The history and culture sections don't address Roman times and to me it beg questions about the picture.-Mike K — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.201.95.250 (talk) 17:33, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

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"Palestine" & "Palestinian"

I have noted a edit war from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Huldra with regards to 3RR rules where the words "Palestine" snd "Palestinian" were

a) used without being necessary or adding any information

b) used without clarification as to what entities it was made reference.

I have warned the infringing user to stop. I hope she will. Adir Bar Yohanan (talk) 23:10, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

There is nothing controversial about using "Palestinian" about Ramallah: 3 editors have reverted you, while you have edit-warred. I am reporting you to 3RR-board, Huldra (talk) 23:15, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes the use of the word "Palestinian" and "Palestine" is controversial as follows

The proper noun "Palestine" is not an unambiguous entity. It can mean several things as detailed in https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/wiki/Palestine.

Consequently, the derived adjective "Palestinian", as it means somehting pertaining to "Palestine", is equally ambiguous.

Using these words must - comply with Wikipedia rules on neutrality and - must facilitate an informative reading rather than a politicised one.

You and your friends Nableezy and Al Ameer son are conspiring to revert to confusing language and are kindly asked to desist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adir Bar Yohanan (talk • contribs) 00:27, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Im sorry, your personal feelings on the ambiguity of a common demonym arent really important here. And I for one will pay them the attention they are worth. nableezy - 01:33, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Request protection

Request protection against vandalism and edit wars waged by politically motivated writting. Adir Bar Yohanan (talk) 09:50, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

It is you who is disrupting and edit-warring on this article. Zero^talk 10:10, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Not done: requests for increases to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Plus, the original requester has been blocked. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 23:31, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 August 2018

Yasser Arafat established his West Bank headquarters, the Mukataa, in Ramallah. Although considered an interim solution, Ramallah became the de facto capital of the Palestinian Authority, now officially known as the State of Palestine.

Changed to:

Yasser Arafat established his West Bank headquarters, the Mukataa, in Ramallah. Although considered an interim solution, Ramallah became the de facto capital of the Palestinian Authority.

Note: There is no State of Palestine. Wallstreetobserver (talk) 03:50, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: Consensus is required to make this change. Please see Legal status of the State of Palestine and International recognition of the State of Palestine for more information as to why this request has been declined. Waddie96 (talk) 07:54, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Musa Hadid

Perhaps because of the recent (and excellent) documentary about his second term as Mayor of Ramallah, Musa Hadid now has a wikipedia page! It only makes sense that his page might be linked in the infobox by someone with the proper clearance. Eggsandmarxism (talk) 05:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

User:Eggsandmarxism:  Done Huldra (talk) 20:16, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Add to Bibliography

A good book to add to the bibliography would be Maya Abu Al-Hayat, editor, The Book of Ramallah (Comma Press 2021).Nutmeg39 (talk) 00:03, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Jerusalem is the capital of palestine, Ramallah is just a city

Jerusalem is the capital of palestine, Ramallah is just a city 2603:6011:7903:41F9:CC17:D256:DDB5:E113 (talk) 15:01, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

And? Selfstudier (talk) 15:58, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 September 2023

Please add the flag of Ramallah: thanks! Strenatos (talk) 23:50, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: the flag is unsourced. M.Bitton (talk) 12:45, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

3910366764.jpg (600×450) (alwatanvoice.com) is this enough? i vectorised the flag from the crw flags version. Ramallah (Palestine) (crwflags.com) Strenatos (talk) 23:31, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

sorry i incorrectly got the links[3]https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ps-rama.html

https://images.alwatanvoice.com/news/images/3910366764.jpg Strenatos (talk) 23:33, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Ramallah Flag

Since my previous request was not answered, please add the flag of Ramallah: It can be seen here, and here. Strenatos (talk) 23:50, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

See here, it is a symbol used by Ramallah municipality in various forms but I see no evidence that it is used as a flag. Selfstudier (talk) 14:43, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

but right here it is on a flagpole https://images.alwatanvoice.com/news/images/3910366764.jpg Strenatos (talk) 01:24, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Not really a flagpole, that's the symbol again at some sort of presentation. What is needed is a reliable source that says it was approved as a flag, when, by who, what it represents etcetera. Actually, the same even just for the symbol. Selfstudier (talk) 10:48, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

New sister city!

Wellington, New Zealand voted this year to add Ramallah as a sister city - would someone with the appropriate access be able to add Wellington to the sister city section?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132436582/wellington-city-council-votes-for-a-sister-city-in-palestine AtticEdit (talk) 20:51, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 December 2023

At the first mention of PNA, please add 'Palestinian National Authority' in parentheses. GraueEule (talk) 07:50, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 18:08, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 January 2024

In the Culture section of this page, the first paragraph references several restaurants/cafes including the "Stars and Bucks Cafe," which links to the page for the American corporation, Starbucks. This is an incorrect link and actually references a separate Palestinian cafe chain that capitalizes on the brand awareness of Starbucks. The link should be removed or changed to link an article discussing the viral knock-off status of Stars and Bucks.

https://dontstopliving.net/thirsty-thursdays-stars-and-bucks-coffee-bethlehem-palestine/ https://www.facebook.com/starsandbuckscafe 2601:445:600:2DA0:442A:13D0:EC5B:7EBC (talk) 15:25, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

There was an article about the "Stars and Bucks Cafe" which was merged, following a deletion discussion, into the main Starbucks article but subsequently the material has been edited out. I changed the link to the deletion discussion instead, that seems simplest. Selfstudier (talk) 15:40, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 June 2024

Please make the following change to the article:

−

is a Palestinian city in the central West Bank or Ramallah Bank

+

is a Palestinian city in the central West Bank

No source is listed and "Ramallah Bank" is not common terminology. (We could apply the common "Israeli-occupied West Bank" wording here if desired, but just removing the erroneous "Ramallah Bank" part would already be an improvement.)

Thanks! AvrahamHerschel (talk) 18:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done Zero^talk 03:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 July 2024

In the article, the Municipal Seal of the City of Ramallah is incorrectly cropped and contains copyright information. Please change it to the new municipal seal extracted from the Ramallah Municipality website (https://www.ramallah.ps/). The link to the image of the proper seal is: https://ramallah.ps/images/logo2.png WatermelonSeller05 (talk) 19:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Please make your request for a new image to be uploaded to Files For Upload. Once the file has been properly uploaded, feel free to reactivate this request to have the new image used. – macaddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 16:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)