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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 11:35, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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George Bogaars

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Created by Kingoflettuce (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 172 past nominations.

KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 10:59, 2 December 2024 (UTC).

  • Not a review but this is not an interesting hook IMO. The fact that a bureaucrat was one of first two to receive a degree from a particular university says nothing about his importance or achievements and doesn't entice me to click to find out more about him. Surely there must be something more interesting? Cbl62 (talk) 21:40, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
Good point, how about ALT1 ... that as head of Singapore's Secret Branch, George Bogaars oversaw the detention of more than a hundred suspected communist sympathisers? KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 01:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - See below
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Good sounding article that was made within a week of nominating, is well sourced, and is good on plagiarism according to copyvio (this is assuming good faith for some sources that I can't access without a URL). The original hook as pointed out wasn't really interesting for such an interesting article, so ALT1 is definitely the better option. My one concern comes from the hooks citing, which after comparing with a digital copy of the cited news clipping, says that 114 were arrested, not 113. Minor, but still something that should be fixed before passing, which I'm happy to do after. Cheers! Johnson524 08:01, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

This caught my eye, so I had a quick look.. There is a degree of disagreement among sources, so it may be best to say '..over 100' rather a precise number: one contemporary source noted that 107 were detained initially ([[1]]), and others refer to 'more than 100' [[2]], [[3]], or a total of 133 by the end of the year (page 3, in [[4]]). Happy to drop these references into the article, if you want to tweak the hook. Chaiten1 (talk) 07:43, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi all, I was aware of the discrepancy but didn't think it was necessary to throw about a bunch of numbers, so I just deferred to the number given in our own article (which happens to be the "official" number provided by the government). It's true that the cited source does say 114, so I don't mind changing it to that too. Best would be to clarify on the main Operation Coldstore page itself, the exact number doesn't make or break G.B.'s article. Also @John appreciate the thoughtfulness but I'm wary of hyperlinking to NLB's site. Per their T&Cs: "...You also may not, without the permission of NLB DIGITAL LIBRARY, insert a hyperlink to this website on any other website or "mirror" any Material contained on this website on any other server. NLB DIGITAL LIBRARY and its affiliates respect the intellectual property of others." Probably not very enforceable but I thought we ought to respect it all the same. Cheers, KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 10:19, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
For now I have followed Chaiten's advice and tweaked the hook to read "more than a hundred". Many thanks KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 10:22, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

For the now-edited ALT1. Also, good find on those T&C, I'd never heard of this before! Johnson524 13:53, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Not sure why the bot didn't pick this acceptance yet, so trying again:
  • Reviewers and editor agree on ALT1 as it currently stands: this hook is verified by the cited sources, and is cited appropriately in the article. All other aspects are fine: QPQ, length and newness, and tone. Good to go! Chaiten1 (talk) 13:23, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
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