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Going through the criteria for putting a death on In the News (has to meet one of the following three):
(a) the deceased was in a high ranking office of power at the time of death Does winner of the Kentucky Derby count?
(b) the deceased was a key figure in their field of expertise, and died unexpectedly or tragically The former part is debatable, but the latter is certainly not the case
(c) the death has a major international impact that affects current events Not really.
I personally think there can be an exception in this case, as Barbaro is an extremely exceptional case that could shift the paradigm in horse racing. Before they tried to save Barbaro, horses that broke down on the track were typically put out of their misery on the track. The attention given to his case, and the outpouring of support for the cause, may be enough to pass muster on notability. Besides, the current ITN right now is rather stale. Something new needs to be up there. --Kitch(Talk : Contrib)23:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This will only be notable if something unusual happens after it is released. Right now it's just another version of the existing paradigm of operating systems. There's no fundamental shift or notable feature of the new version. --Monotonehell01:51, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think Microsoft gets more than enough publicity without us helping along. I agree with Monotonehell, a consumer product meriting ITN consideration would have to be both groundbreaking, and affect a great number of people; neither of which Vista appears to be. Thethinredline14:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'd pondered adding this myself (we're in a bit of a slow spell, it seems), but I think there're notability issues. Its the first of four majors held every single year, and arguably the least prestigious of the four. If people didn't flog "past precedence" all the time, especially in discussion over sporting entries, I might be inclined to give it a one-shot thumbs up, but we all know how likely that is :). The Tom16:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Roger Federer won without losing a set, the first to do that at a Grand Slam since 1980. And Serena Williams was unseeded. The former at least is notable enough. --Kitch(Talk : Contrib)23:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Posted the discovery of the black boxes. I left out the dispute about the cost of retrieval as the line is already quite long and this may be outdated info soon. I don't know when the next admin will show up here. --PFHLai14:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Investigations into Corruption scandals in Chile lead to four deputies being accused of using government money to fund their electoral campaigns (perhaps that's not the best way of wording it, but the article is fully sourced and in my opinion deserves to be mentioned somehow). Marmaduque23:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Considering the heat that Nancy Pelosi received from her last ITN inclusion I don't think that this is notoriety enough to include. State of the union addresses are only notable if something unusual is stated in them. --Monotonehell06:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. We don't for example mention opening speeches from PMs and other leaders when parliament opens every year. The Nancy Pelosi case was perhaps borderline for inclusion as it was noteable due to the fact she was the first female. But although this speech was on the BBC World and I fact watched it, I don't think it meets the threshold for international interest. If Bush has opened the speech with something like "well basically, the union is fucked" then yes, it would be worth including but the most noteable thing that seemed to come out of it, was that Bush mentioned Nancy Pelosi extensively at the beginning in an apparent conciliatory move but then used Democrat as an abjective which is apparently a no-no (he was supposed to say Democratic). Also the fact that most commentators didn't think he'd sold his Iraq plan much better then before. (Oh I also personally found it bizarre how he wanted to save the Medicare and stuff but then talked extensively about private insurance but anyway no one else seem to take issue that I noticed.) 203.109.240.9314:57, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The address was the first to occur with a Democratic Congress and female Speaker. President Bush talked about foreign policy in the Middle Ease (mainly Iraq) and in Asia (mainly Korea), which could be in the interest of other countries in the world!--Ed¿Cómo estás?Reviews?00:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
But as per above, since there was nothing new about Iraq or North Korea, there's nothing noteable about it. And I don't think fist female is relevant. Are we going to have the first budget, first removal from house (does that happen in the US?) etc under first female speaker? We've already mentioned her when she was swore in which is sufficient IMHO. And I'm pretty sure there has been a Democractic Congress before, perhaps not under Bush but I don't see that as particularly noteable especially from an international perspective heck not even from an American perspective probably. 203.109.240.9311:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Then how come when other people die then get listed? This was an important personality, and not only if you consider Poland, but very much abroad, he's got (this surprised me pleasantly) articles about him in -teen languages... --Ouro12:45, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I can recall, only three deaths were put up over the last 2 months: Milton Friedman (disputed), Augusto Pinochet and Hrant Dink. AecisBravado12:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Have a look at the criteria. In general a death will not be placed into ITN unless... "(a) the deceased was in a high ranking office of power at the time of death, (b) the deceased was a key figure in their field of expertise, and died unexpectedly or tragically, (c) the death has a major international impact that affects current events. The modification or creation of multiple articles to take into account the ramifications of a death is a sign that it meets the third criterion." --Monotonehell13:03, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Israeli president Katsav will announce tomorrow whether he will step down from office, according to his lawyer. The Israeli prosecution has decided to press charges against him for rape, sexual harassment and abuse of power. Definitely something we should be watching. AecisBravado23:42, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Either this goes up now or our window is forever lost. Consider that the represetation of science items has been woefully low of late. --Monotonehell11:11, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That comment sounded like Disney advertising one of its DVDs before it disappears into The Disney Vault forever. I mean... it's not like we're going to take the item off the Main Page once it no longer becomes visible (or will we?). -- tariqabjotu23:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
LOL Disney Vault... the point is that once the viewing opportunity is over the item being in ITN is kind of redundant. "HEY PEOPLE, LOOK WHAT YOU MISSED OUT ON! Yeah maybe we could have told you earlier...." ;) --Monotonehell03:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In any case, I'm pretty sure the comment above is wrong as I've mentioned elsewhere. It was still visible in NZ yesterday and from what I've read, should still be visible for all of this week and probably the next although obviously getting fainter all the time 203.109.240.9315:02, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'd really love to put this up, it's quite cool, but the article needs some organization before the main page links to it. -- Zanimum19:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'd suggest piping the link to 2008 to link to the article on either the presidential election itself, or the article on the Democratic candidates. -Fsotrain0917:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I support this going up. It is a bit U.S. centric, but after all she is the first woman with a legitimate chance to become US President in one of the oldest democracies in the world. Thethinredline20:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure about this one. She has basically announced that she is one of the candidates to become one of the candidates for the elections. AecisBravado20:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Third-ed, if she actually gets through the process and is on the presidential ballot then it would be worthy of inclusion as "first female presidential candidate". --Monotonehell11:07, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Can we put Hrant Dink's photo up? There is a picture of a man next to his news blurb which is not him, but deceptively would seem to be him... --RaffiKojian22:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's an unfortunate consequence of two policies: the policy not to put copyrighted images on the Main Page, and the policy of always keeping the image from "In the News" in the upper right-hand corner (because the template is transcluded to other locations as well as the Main Page). If we had a free-license image of Dink, that would be great, but we don't. (Personally, I think that this is exactly the sort of case in which we should be allowed to use an image under fair use, but there's no consensus supporting that.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 22:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well it's not a problem anymore although I still think we should have replaced the photo with the one I suggested down below. It's no better or worse then the ice storm one. No need to change it now of course 203.109.240.9306:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note that it has also hit the Netherlands, causing at least three deaths. I've added the information about the Netherlands to the article. The storm has also hit Belgium, I'll see if I can find some information about that country as well. AecisBravado18:03, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm feeling a bit apprehensive about this. I'm sure this type of weather is not common, but it's not especially rare and extraordinary, in my opinion. -- tariqabjotu03:12, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Seeing as you don't live in Europe that would be hard for you to determine. For Germany, where this type of weather is extremely rare, 7 people have been killed all across the country. The death toll is a 27 right now and has been going up every few hours. In addition, the event has been the international headline on the BBC since yesterday afternoon. I think this article should have been added a long time ago and I can't understand why an event causing deaths in England, France, Holland, Germany, Poland and the Czech Republic hasn't and some petty article about a quite specific bickering over a TV show in the UK has. Djlayton408:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Although I don't normally respond positively to comments that go for the if X is there, then so must Y approach or the you're not from Z, so you don't understand tactic (since, contrary to popular belief, we do get international news in the United States), I added the item because of the further developments you mentioned that were not mentioned by Blood red sandman. -- tariqabjotu12:43, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Feel free to modify headline to something more fitting. Mention of Tony Blair and/or Gordon Brown should be appropriate. Ekantiktalk05:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have added this item due to the attention this has received from British and Indian officials, as well as the media attention from different parts of the world. -- tariqabjotu03:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
For something to be add to in the news there has to be an article which has been substantially modified and as far as I can see none of the articles has. So I suggest that you update the article about the new president or wait for someone else to do it. Jeltztalk21:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The article clearly is updated. --a 05:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
This was posted anyway (not by me), and I unbolded the link to Awad Hamed al-Bandar's article 'coz there is too little new contents. --PFHLai05:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think you both are wrong. Sealand is often refered to in international law as an interesting example of micronations. And it is not every day a nation is up for sale. --Camptown11:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think they are both right: There haven't been too many significant updates to Sealand. Lots of tweaking, but not much additions. And the sale actually began on Jan08, not Jan12. --64.229.5.16415:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's a curiosity, certainly, but I repeat: it is, as a sheer matter of fact, not of international interest. (i.e. this isn't being widely reported throughout the world). Mikker(...)19:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it was on page 1 of Financial Times. But, of course, that's just another tabloid newspaper... And, of course, it's only a sheer matter of fact, not of international interest such as David Beckham's transfer to an American soccer club... --Camptown19:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hundreds of thousands of pieces of real estate are more notable than Sealand. The consensus is basically that they aren't a country. Savidan00:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The addition is written like it should be for Wikinews (primarily because the content came from WikiNews). Content for Wikinews is meant to be up-to-date; for Wikipedia it is meant to be everlasting. -- tariqabjotu21:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I would say yes at first, but this has not gotten any play on the 24-hours news networks so it'll be interesting to see if American morning shows pick up and play up this story and if Bush responds to the "attack" formally. The GOP (Bush's party) loves to laud Bush because since 9/11 there hasn't been another attack on the United States, and they criticize Clinton for having repeated attacks, including the USS Cole bombing and the 1998 African Embassy bombings. So in short, I would say to wait and gauge the media outlets' response firstbefore this is declared a headlinee. Stephen08:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've seen it played various times on CNN and MSNBC. I doubt it will truely come to light on say... FOX News, but the majors have it in rotation as important. Dark jedi requiem17:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm unsure if this should be on; the plane's disapearance has only just come off. I'm abstaining on whether or not it should, since I have made a lot of contributions to the article and am therefore biased towards it, but I won't be offended if you tell me there is no way this is going on. Blood Red SandmanOpen Up Your Heart - Receive My EviLove18:43, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... I see significant updates have been made to the article, but as you note, the article was just recently on the Main Page. Maybe it can go up tomorrow, when the Today's Featured Article section is longer. -- tariqabjotu21:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
MainPage looks fine on my screen now. IMO, when the main wreckage is found, this should get on ITN and displace an old item as soon as the article is updated. --PFHLai01:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This has been absolutely gigantic news. Aside from the World Cup, I can't ever remember the lead story on the front page of ESPN.com (in English-speaking North America, that is) relating to soccer. Every news program has been talking about this. I personally think that when one of the biggest celebrities in the world makes such a drastic move (going to America? To play soccer?) and gets the largest contract ever for an athlete, it's probably- not definitely, but probably- ITN worthy. -- Kicking22202:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
A two-sentence update seems too little. And, are there any better references ? and external newslinks at Portal: Current events ? A concise headline containing a wikilink to the updated article is needed, too. --PFHLai14:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not even a little bit. How would this qualify for ITN status? Is this a nation electing its next president or a politician dying or an 8.0 earthquake? No. It's an actress competing on a reality show. -- Kicking22220:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'll pass. The new materials about the sentencing consist of three sentences and this seems too little for ITN when we have bigger news items with longer articles to choose from. --PFHLai21:48, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rumors of the release of this product have been circulating for some time. Given thow the iPod revolutionized portable music, many are hope to see Apple do the same for mobile communications. --Nelson Ricardo13:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Is there anyway way to make it clear it's just a claim by the US that they are Al-Qaeda suspects? The actual page does it pretty well. But "attacks alleged/claimed suspected al-Qaeda operatives" doesn't flow well Nil Einne11:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It may be college sports, but it's a nationally televised game that's watched by millions. It's also unique because the Gators were heavy underdogs, but they pulled off a dominant win. Nishkid6405:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Millions of Americans in Vienna? Oh wait, I've watched this too by noontime, but does that (or Americans watching in Vienna or Mogadishu) make it international? --HowardtheDuck14:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I support this. It should be of only a very limited run, but it could really be mentioned today. It is a sport watched by millions. -newkait-c07:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No matter how much Ohio State was going to massacre Florida prior to the game, a non-professional sports competition is simply not ever Main Page material. Thethinredline14:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, only the top level competition of a sport gets on ITN. (For American football, that's the SuperBowl.) Otherwise, we'll need something really significant, like breaking a high profile record. Just an unexpected upset in a college bowl game is probably not enough. --PFHLai17:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well Florida now is the first school ever to simultaneously hold the national title in football and basketball... I think that qualifies as "breaking a high profile record". This discussion is absurd, as college football championship IS top level competition. The test cricket thing is on there, and I suspect the BCS game has more viewers. Not including this historic BCS victory definitely shows some bias I think. --cokane
More viewers? I doubt it very much. The Ashes is followed by most cricket fans and cricket is in turn followed religiously in several parts of the world (especially the sub-continent). Please keep in mind there are 1.1 billion Indians, 165 million Pakistanis, 150 million Bangladeshis, and a couple of hundred million other people from cricket-loving nations. Then there are 300 million Americans and a few million Canadians. You might argue that, because many cricket fans are in developing nations with comparatively less extensive television penetration, the football thing is more notable. But remember, we're concerned here about global interest - people could still be interested in the story without having actually watched it. Mikker(...)03:16, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is foolish logic. Why are the qualifications "global" interest? This is an english language wikipedia. If something is followed heavily in India or Pakistan, I think the proper place for it being newsworthy is on wikipedia pages where Indians and Pakistanis would read it. I want to reject two arbitrary qualifications that seem to have been established for ITN items. They are both illogical. The first is that the sports game must have "international" interest. This is an absurd qualification. Another commenter already noted this would qualify the NFL Europe championship but disqualify the Superbowl, a ridiculous consequence. Furthermore it creates a bias towards sporting events involving or that are popular in countries of lower populations. Second criteria is the "global" interest. wiki.eso.workers.dev is not a website with a global audience. It is a website with an English speaking audience. If sports events are to be covered at all they need to be ranked by really only one criteria. How popular is the event in the English speaking world? This criteria can be objectively measured too. All other criteria are moot. --cokane 10 January 2007
Addendum: Consider this, the day after the BCS game, virtually every newspaper and news show in America will run the game as its headline. So basically for almost 300 million English speakers, this will be the top headline they see, whether they are interested or not. And the en.wiki's ITN editors don't even deem it worthy of being a single headline for even a single day. And this isn't bias? --cokane
Ummm... you ARE aware that millions of Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis speak English right? (And that all three these nations used to be part of the British empire?) In fact, more Indians than Americans speak English. (If you make a helpline phone call in the States, you're more than likely speaking to an Indian with a disguised accent). And that an event be of "international" interest is the actual criterion, please read WP:ITNMP. Maybe this should change, but until you create a consensus there, we have to stick to those criteria here. Mikker(...)20:16, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Umm... is it their first language? Are people from India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh looking at en.wikipedia first? Who is looking at en.wikipedia? This would be good data to look at for this argument. I get a sense that the majority of en.wikipedia viewers live in the United States. Other people speaking English as their second language is really a foolish criterion for ranking content. Plenty of people in Latin America or Japan speak english. The english speakers in Latin America likely outnumber the ones in the United States. Are these people looking at en.wikipedia? And I recognize that the "international" qualification has been established as criteria. I already addressed that--and pointed out that it was completely arbitrary. The ITN item has only a select list of items to choose for placing on the front page. I will state my criteria a little better: Those items should be ranked by how important they are to en.wikipedia users. Prove to me that Indians, Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and others are hitting en.wikipedia at a higher rate than Americans and your case will be made. If they are not, and Americans are actually hitting it at a higher rate, than putting the cricket match while not putting up the BCS game is a clear indication of bias. And these arbitrary qualifications of "global" and "international" only perpetuate a bias that is ridiculous and you have to be blind not to see. --cokane 10 January 2007
Some indicative statistics aren't too difficult to find. Wikipedia is the 15th most popular website in India, the 13th most popular in Pakistan and also the 13th most popular in Bangladesh. These figures cover all language editions of Wikipedia, but if you look at the sizes of the relevant wikipedias at [m:List_of_Wikipedias], you'll see that the Hindi and Urdu language edition have less than 5,000 articles each, and the Bengali edition has almost 13,000. If the majority of viewers from those countries are going to their native language editions, I would expect them to have grown rather more quickly. I'd also expect them to show up in the list "Where do people go on wikipedia.org", but they don't. In the US, Wikipedia is the 8th most popular website, but at least some of the hits will go to the Spanish Wikipedia. There are very many more languages in the Indian subcontinent, but none of these languages are amongst the biggest Wikipedia editions. Alexa doesn't seem to list the most popular sites in Sri Lanka (another country where cricket is very popular), but again, the Tamil-language Wikipedia is small.-gadfium04:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
To compare the English language speakers in South America or Japan with the English language speakers in South Asia is not fair, because the Japanese have the option of viewing the Japanese Wikipedia, and the South Americans the Spanish or Portuguese editions.-gadfium04:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I support it. Collegiate football is probably the second biggest sport in the US, behind only pro football. Plus, the sheer size of the upset can't be understated. And the ITN has been rather stale this week. I think it should replace the 110th Congress entry. Preston17:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You may want to take this up at Template talk:In the news, where people are already complaining (again! ...sigh... ) that American football (along with cricket) lacks international interests to warrant an appearance on ITN for the SuperBowl. Good Luck. --PFHLai17:56, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I support it; the Ashes Series Made the ITN; and the BCS Championship is broadcast in over 150 countries; ratings are not out yet, but total viewership may rival the Ashes Series Contrib12345619:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikriti and Awad al Bandar are expected to be executed in Iraq this week. Iff they are indeed executed, would this be notable enough for ITN or not? A point can be made for their inclusion, since both the case in which they were sentenced to death and the event for which they have been sentenced are highly notable. Any thoughts on this? AecisNo running, shouting or piddling in the shallow end01:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's the same trial as the Trial of Saddam Hussein, isn't it ? If we don't have much new wikicontents to feature, I'd rather not re-post the same links on ITN already there with Saddam's execution just 2 weeks earlier. The "five of clubs" is not a high card, anyway. --PFHLai 07:56, 8 January 2007 (UTC) If we actually have new stuffs to feature on MainPage by the time they get executed, then this is not too bad an item for ITN. --PFHLai00:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
January 6
Two bus bombs have exploded in Sri Lanka, so far, killing 21 people and injuring at least 50 More.
Very big news in cricket. Should go up considering the sports popularity and the fact we had Michael Schumacher's retirement up on ITN.--HamedogTalk|@02:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Schumacher was a 7-times world champion in an individaul sport (the most ever). McGrath and Warne are the best in their respective types of players, and I don't think that the best goalkeeper, eg Gianluigi Buffon, or an attacking player, eg, Ronaldinho in a team sport would get ITN entries for retirement. As for the team ENG-AUS, I doubt a Brazil-Argentina match would get on for football. FWIW India-Pak games generate more interest in cricket alone, and often leads to riots, political bandwagoning and even Senate inquiries for poor performance, etc. Am I sounding like a self-hating cricket fan yet? I think I have disagreed with about 5 Hamedog criket noms in one month - Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:44, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Surely the retirements of Warne, Langer and McGrath should be here. The last time three players of this ilk (Lillee, Chappell and Marsh) retired, Australia sank to the bottom sunk to the bottom of the world rankings. Maybe there is a chance that this will happen again...........not! Jonesy22:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't three retirements hold ground? Any way Cricket is over looked here IMHO - no Champion's trophy or anything this season.--HamedogTalk|@04:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a massive cricket fan, but I don't think that the retirement of players should be included here. I don't think it really matters much beyond cricket. --Cherry blossom tree13:05, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
My two cents: I think this should most certainly go up. Warne is arguably the greatest spinner in history, and McGrath is arguably the greatest fast bowler of all time. Indeed, the 5-0 victory by itself is notable methinks - first time in 86 years is quite massive. I'm South African and, as such, don't particularly enjoy Australia's (test) cricket dominance - yet I got up 2am my time to watch the 5th test especially to see McGrath and Warne for the last time. Sic transit gloria mundi applies I think. Mikker(...)01:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's not over. Bainimarama has changed his title. Not a lot else has changed. See [6] for an analysis. This should not appear on ITN.-gadfium05:16, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wesley Autrey, a New York City construction worker, gains national recognition after saving the life of a man who had fallen onto the subway tracks. - It's kind of human interesty, but the story is huge right now and in the news has been slow. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 16:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is not of international interest, regardless of how well the story has been covered in the press. They're covering this story because it's a feel-good wow story, not because it's of real international relevance. -- tariqabjotu03:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I know, I know, it's a bit early. Obviously, this SHOULD NOT be posted today. However, I think that the accession of Bulgaria and Romania into the EU is newsworthy. Without further ado, I suggest the following text, to post on the first of January:
Of course there's nothing you can do about it, but perhaps we should wait until the plane is discovered– presumably that will happen relatively soon. BTW, to whoever eventually posts this, there are 102 on board, including crew.--Pharos22:18, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Of course now the blurb has information which isn't even in the article... this shouldn't be up until there's an update.--Pharos02:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I could have seen that revert coming a mile away... after posting, I went to the article and was shocked to see that Wikipedia was actually behind the news. Shocked. -- tariqabjotu02:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, now that I think about it, I do not endorse this article going to ITN anytime soon. Taking out all the stuff that was just up-to-the-minute reporting (my arch-nemisis), there's really not much left. This article needs some serious work before making a Main Page appearance. -- tariqabjotu02:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and I agree with you especially on the "breaking news" aspect– in a developing event, I find it's often best to wait a few hours or even (shock! horror!) sleep on it and see what the newspapers say tomorrow.--Pharos02:52, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't totally agree with you. The article was created in response to the event. As long as it was a resonable size and quality and it fulfills the noteability requirements then it should go on ITN. The fact that some of the stuff occured more then a few hours ago doesn't matter if the article was created in response to a recent event. Obviously up to the minute stuff is not suitable, but articles usually cover the events as they occured in some detail. In this specific case, it's quite right to mention how the plane was first reported missing along with other details surrounding early reports and then mention that it was found. When we post the ITN entry, obviously it should be as up to date as possible and in the article so if the plane has been found, this should be reported in the article and ITN Nil Einne12:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... I don't think they were "driven out" from Kismayo exactly. As I see it, their defeat at Jilib basically forced their hand in abandoning Kismayo. I don't know if some other wording might be clearer.--Pharos23:40, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I actually meant Kismayo as the "last stronghold". I've tried to improve the clarity now. I hope it's better.--Pharos00:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
