User talk:Rublamb

Alfred Daniel Jones

Thanks for your very valuable contribution to this page. I created it because of his position as CG in Shanghai and could not find much further information.

Shanghai88

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Hello, Rublamb

Thank you for creating Stockton B. Colt.

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HᴇʀᴘᴇᴛᴏGᴇɴᴇꜱɪꜱ (talk) 01:07, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Julian M. Wright

On 25 April 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Julian M. Wright, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that judge advocate Julian M. Wright was once a fencer, and President Theodore Roosevelt attended one of his matches in 1902? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Julian M. Wright. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Julian M. Wright), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Frederick E. Olmsted

Excellent article, very nice work! -- Mainly 14:10, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Cary, North Carolina

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Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	For excellent work in the completion of George H. Brown (judge). BD2412 T 02:28, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Editing

Thanks for your terrific work! FloridaArmy (talk) 11:26, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	Thank you for all the help on the Maryland Military and Naval Academy. Naraht (talk) 06:28, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

March 2023 GOCE drive award

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		This barnstar is awarded to Rublamb for copy edits totaling over 60,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE March 2023 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Dhtwiki (talk) 03:22, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	Thank for the work you did a while back on Jim McBride (songwriter). So much better! S0091 (talk) 22:48, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of St. Anthony Hall

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Your GA nomination of Henry M. Crane

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Your GA nomination of Carl A. Schenck

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Was he an honorary member or a founder of one of the Forestry honor or professional societies? Jax MN (talk) 22:53, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting question. I'll have to check on both Schenck and Frederick E. Olmsted. Rublamb (talk) 23:43, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Frederick E. Olmsted

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Bling, bling!

		The Special Barnstar
		For your work on elevating Isabelle Urquhart to , but specially for your sensible comments and approach during the review that helped alleviate a critical situation. The Blue Rider 09:12, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Precious

pioneers in education

Thank you for quality articles such as Carl A. Schenck and Henry M. Crane, for the goal to bring many of them to GA quality, for exceptional reviewing, for "Please ask if you have concerns or questions before reversing my work", - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2888 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:12, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Isabelle Urquhart

On 13 November 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Isabelle Urquhart, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Broadway actress Isabelle Urquhart (pictured) started a fashion trend when she decided to reveal her figure on stage by not wearing petticoats? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Isabelle Urquhart. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Isabelle Urquhart), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:01, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Women in Red

Hi there, Rublamb, and welcome to Women in Red. It's good to see you intend to spend more of your editing time writing about women. Given your wide interests and your high standard of editing, you are likely to be a useful member of the project. In addition to your continuing work on lists, it would be good to see you creating more biographies of women. If you have not already done so, you might find it useful to look through our Primer. Please let me know if you run into any difficulties or need assistance. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 08:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Big thanks for helping me with my first article!

I very much appreciate all the effort you put into the article I started. Thanks for your detective work and discrete handling of “questions about some of the unsourced text.” You citing that source and paraphrasing the Wikipedia text is an excellent solution. Best, BananaSlug (talk) 19:22, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Richard Urquhart Goode

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WiG Editathon Barnstar – October 2023

		Women in Green Editathon October '23
		At last – here is your barnstar! Thank you for your excellent contributions to GA nomination Isabelle Urquhart at the WiG "Around the World in 31 Days" Good Article editathon. I was really impressed by the communication/collaboration and conflict management skills you showcased during the work for this article. Best, Alanna the Brave (talk) 17:43, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For your excellent research and expansion of Karen L. Parker. Thank you! Beccaynr (talk) 16:35, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for George Willis Pack

On 2 January 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article George Willis Pack, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that George Willis Pack, a Northerner and Lincoln supporter, financed a monument to Confederate governor Zebulon Vance in Asheville, North Carolina? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/George Willis Pack. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, George Willis Pack), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 00:02, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Thank you so much for working on the “Dolores Cannon” it is revolting that others deleted her page simply because her work contradicts their spiritual, mythical, religious beliefs. Thank you!!!! Holy4d

DYK for Patricia Schultz

On 17 January 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Patricia Schultz, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Patricia Schultz, the author of 1,000 Places to See Before You Die, would choose Florence for her final trip before dying? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Patricia Schultz. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Patricia Schultz), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Schwede 66 00:02, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Richard Urquhart Goode

On 23 January 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Richard Urquhart Goode, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that geographer Richard Urquhart Goode is the namesake of three mountains and a glacier? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Richard Urquhart Goode. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Richard Urquhart Goode), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nat Turner

I really appreciate the work you're putting in on this article. Central and Adams (talk) 17:18, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of George Carnegie Palmer

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Your GA nomination of Richard Sharp Smith

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Your GA nomination of J. Cleaveland Cady

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New List of... Articles.

Please remember to add a sort key for the category which is the Lists. So instead of List of Omega Chi Epsilon chapters having [[Category:Lists of chapters of Association of College Honor Societies members by society]], it should have [[Category:Lists of chapters of Association of College Honor Societies members by society|Omega Chi Epsilon]] . Hotcat allows for adding the |Omega Chi Epsilon Let me know if you want me to fix.Naraht (talk) 17:53, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Naraht: Didn't know that was a thing. Thanks for letting me know. And you are welcome to fix anything you find. I barely remember to add the default sort to the article. Rublamb (talk) 21:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rublamb made the change.Naraht (talk) 22:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Reggie Barnes (skateboarder)

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Your GA nomination of George Willis Pack

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Congratulations, I hope you nominate this for DYK and keep going. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 00:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Thank you for the work you're doing to improve List of words with the suffix -ology. As you likely know from the Talk page discussion, I thought it was in pretty sad shape. I appreciate the amount of effort you're putting into cleaning it up! DonIago (talk) 13:34, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

Thank you for more quality content! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright

Interesting discussion, one that gets to the heart of our use of crests, badges and the like. I recently was alerted of a potential copyright or licensing violation which appeared to me to be incorrect, so I brought the issue up for dispute. See Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions#Member_badge. Once this is resolved we should capture the discussion in our Project archive.
Jax MN (talk) 19:56, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I passed this to you because I thought you had a magic formula. I was stumped on how to fight "someone might share a photo of a similar image that has no copyright restrictions at some time". I guess that technically is true. Maybe part of our fight is to say that most badges are private/not shared publically, making it unlikely that a member will take a photo to share without copyright restrictions. Thus, we depend on people who are selling items or museum collections for images. I did like your position that we could not find another image in this instance, as this is totally true. Rublamb (talk) 23:44, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jax MN: I asked a question in the discussion to determine if we can use images taken by staff of federal or governmental museums. But with this "ruling" we must assume that most of our badge images are in violation of fair use. I had always wondered (copyright is part of libraran training) but thought there was a loophole in Wikipedia for educational use. Looks like I may be cropping a lot of images from Baird's 1927 if we want badges in GLO articles, but at least I know I can upload those to Wikicommons. I am most frustrated for the senior societies and secret societies, as it is so hard to find images, those are not going to be in Barid's, and those groups will not share an image. And I hate scrolling through old yearbooks to look for images. Rublamb (talk) 01:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right. I, too, thought this was an allowable practice, either as the prime identifier of the society, or secondarily, since the pin design itself was under discussion. But an editor may reasonably claim that the photo itself by nature may be under copyright, which is why I took pains to make my treatment of them as far derivative as possible: by size reduction, cropping, color-correcting, removing objects (~dust, inadvertent smudges, etc.). I thought this would suffice. We'll see. It will be difficult or impossible to get permission from a long-dormant society. And the resellers of these pins may not be available to answer a licensing request, even though our work will help them in their efforts to sell the pins. Thus our posting of these is in good faith.

It seems to me a pedantic waste of time, considering so many other more pressing issues to correct, on Wikipedia. Jax MN (talk) 18:43, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think size or cropping is a factor; this is straight up copyright. (in fact, changing and republishing a copyrighted image is worse than just using it). I am working on making sure all of our fair use images have the WP tag because they may start digging and bring more up for deletion. I agree this is not a productive activity, but it is as bad as the editor who used to change date formats in citations. Rublamb (talk) 21:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed your recent flurry of additions to the WP tag list. Thank you.

Meanwhile, have you seen any discussion or ruling on use of AI-derived images? For example, as a long-term project, I could, one by one, render 3D images of badges, to match a certain model template, using a 2D scan of a pin or crest. Scans from earlier Baird's editions would work nicely. Would these still be derivative, or would they be artistically distant enough? Jax MN (talk) 20:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you use the 1927 edition of Baird's, the images are out of copyright and you are free to upload to WikiCommons as is. You can also alter and upload. If you go through WikiCommons, AI checks the publication date from the link (you provide) to the Google Books edition which resolves any challenges to the images. That is how I typically add images, until this recent round of fair-use logos. Altering a copyrighted image is allowed for art, assuming the use of the image is different. For example, including a fraternity's badge in a photo montage about a university might pass fair use, assuming there is no mass distribution. But altering a copyrighted drawing or photograph and using it in the same way--an image of a badge still being used to represent the badge--would probably fail fair use. One of the big reasons for a fair use fail is the mass distribution/digitization component. In my opinion, there are also issues with how many clicks to get to the creator's details, but this does not seem to phase Wikipedia. Probably more than you wanted to know.

The short answer is: use the 1927 Baird's or earlier editions and there will be no issues. Any images found in digitized books through Google Books or Hathi Trust should be out of copyright and are okay to use. Looks like any image taken by the staff of the Smithsonian, Library of Congress, the National Archives, or a federal historic site or park in their official capacity is also allowable as well. Note this does not apply to photographs in their collections but to photographs of items in their collection. Rublamb (talk) 21:34, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reference(s) for Sigma Iota Alpha at LSU in 1939

Hello Rublamb, I’m sending this through my phone so I apologize for any formatting issues. I was wondering if you by any chance knew where we could find a reference for the founding date of the original ‘’Sigma Iota Alpha’’ that was founded at LSU? As we have listed it listed on a page somewhere but there’s no reference on there. I’ll see if I can find any old yearbooks that mention them.

Also thanks for the work you do. DovahDuck (talk) 21:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's my next step--looking for sources. It is listed in the Almanac of Fraternities and Sororities, maintained by the University of Illinois, but only give a founding date of 1904. I am also going to see what I can find in newspapers. Rublamb (talk) 23:08, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you mean Sigma Iota? If so, I have added sources and have also fixed some text that was copied from a website.. I have no idea where the specific date (not just the year) came from. Rublamb (talk) 04:19, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, in 1939, after the break up of the Union Latino Americana the Chapter of Phi Iota Alpha of the University of Louisiana withdrew from the Fraternity and, in April 1939, founded Sigma Iota Alpha. "Since Phi Sigma Alpha was organized in Puerto Rico with ideals similar to those of the Sigma Iota Alpha in Louisiana, and since both organizations were the product of almost identical former brotherhoods, negotiations were immediately started to merge the two brotherhoods into one. This was decided in a convention celebrated on September 10, 1939, at the University of Puerto Rico, organizing themselves as "Fraternidad Sigma" (Sigma Fraternity) with two ramifications: Phi Sigma Alpha Zone in Puerto Rico and Sigma Iota Alpha Zone in Louisiana (Later the USA Zone's name was changed to Phi Sigma Beta Zone and came to include other universities in north Louisiana)." El Johnson (talk) 13:14, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Eljohnson15 @DovahDuck: I will see if I can find a source for this. If you know of one, please let me know. Please give me a couple of days to circle back to this. Rublamb (talk) 23:39, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is now addressed. Let me know if you have any other questions or concerns. Rublamb (talk) 01:53, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I was able to find various sources. I recommend looking at the various yearbooks of LSU and other institutions where these organizations have been historically active. I have had heard before about how some of these organizations are interconnected but various yearbooks actually feature the chapters outright confirming different bits of information. Best of luck to both of y'all as we continue contributing to the articles of these organizations! Let me know if y'all are ever interested in forming a subcommittee dedicated to multicultural Greek lettered organizations within the Fraternity & Sorority Wiki Project. DovahDuck (talk) 06:04, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DovahDuck: I have already been through most of the yearbooks available online for Sigma Alpha and was able to document all chapters. I believe (but cannot prove) that Sigma Alpha's predecessor went dormant before the fraternity formed--it stopped being included in the LSU yearbook for a couple of years before the Sigma Alpha was established. We also need a source other than the Sigma Iota Alpha website to document its link with Sigma Iota and Phi Iota Alpha.

I don't know if we need a subcommittee for WP:F&S. There are only three of us who are reguar contributors and all are interested in inclusivity and diviersity. Another WP member has already sent an updated Sigma Alpha chapter list to the University of Illinois Almanac; their multi-cultural information is often lacking. However, the WP really need editors who can help with Spanish language sources for PR and Philippines GLOs. Or, at least, to translate PDFs of newspaper articles from time to time. Many PR and PH articles were victims of AfD because WP members could not find translatable secondary sources. Rublamb (talk) 06:44, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Rublamb, I was talking about the Sigma Iota Alpha Fraternity which was founded by dissociated members of Phi Iota Alpha and then became a part of Phi Sigma. There’s a secondary source mentioning this and it can be seen by looking at the yearbooks and seeing the two undergrad members that transferred. In regards to making a committee, you bring a valid point but if we get more editors who can translate Spanish and Filipino it could be something to consider. Will be busy for the next week or so but I should hopefully be able to contribute a little bit more towards the middle of the month. DovahDuck (talk) 06:52, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Native Spanish speaker here, let me know if you guys need any help with that. History of Sigma Iota is this, the chapter withdrew from Phi Iota at the same time as Phi SIgma Alpha from the Union. 2. The formed Sigma Iota as a new fraternity 3. they joined Phi Sigma and rearanged as Sigma Fraternity with Phi Sigma Alpha Zone in PR and Sigma Iota Alpha Zone in LSU. 3. Sigma Iota ZOne had a Beta chapter in DC. 4. The Zone was renamed Phi Sigma Beta, 5. The Zones were eliminated and chapters in PR and USA continued as Phi Sigma Alpha. Found another some sources from El Mundo newspaper (at the time the biggest in Puerto RIco that mention Sigma Iota in Luisiana:

https://gpa.eastview.com/crl/elmundo/?a=d&d=mndo19400420-01.1.8&srpos=2&e=-------en-25--1--img-txIN-%22Sigma+Iota+Alpha%22--------- (center article)
https://gpa.eastview.com/crl/elmundo/?a=d&d=mndo19531128-01.1.8&srpos=1&e=-------en-25--1--img-txIN-%22Sigma+Iota+Alpha%22--------- The Beta chaper of the Zone was in Washington DC
https://gpa.eastview.com/crl/elmundo/?a=d&d=mndo19550517-01.1.8&srpos=3&e=-------en-25--1--img-txIN-%22Sigma+Iota+Alpha%22---------

El Johnson (talk) 13:51, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elimination of Phi Sigma Alpha

I really enjoy your contributions to Sigma Iota and Phi Lambda Alpha, I just don't understand why you would go out of your way to eliminate any reference to Phi Sigma Alpha in both of them. Phi Sigma has been mentioned in the Phi Lambda Alpha article since 14 April 14, 2007 (one day after the article was created) and in the Sigma Iota April 10, 2007 (second edit and same day article was created. Both Phi Iota and Phi Sigma share a common bond in its history and heritage, and editors have contributed to both the main articles and the related ones such as these and the Union Latino Americana. I look forward to working with you. El Johnson (talk) 13:21, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Eljohnson15: I was not picking on Phi Sigma Alpha. Rather, I deleted an unsourced sentence. In addition, it lacked context. That is, an explanation as to how the organizations were connected. If you know of a source that can be used for this content, I am more than willing to take a look. Rublamb (talk) 23:36, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found the source you added--thanks! I was able to update the text to better explain the relationship in both articles. Take and look and see if that meets your expectations. Rublamb (talk) 01:53, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Yet I would not say it it the way it was phrased since Phi Sigma Alpha is also a successor of both organizations (You took out Phi Sigma as a successor of Phi Lambda in the infobox. There is a shared history of both fraternities until the dissolution of the Union Latino Americana, members of all those predecessor organizations became part of Phi Sigma after the break up, one example is Luis A. Ferre who joined initially Phi Lambda in MIT El Johnson (talk) 14:04, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We are working on making the instructions clearer, but WP Fraternities and Sororities has a specific way of using the fields in Infobox fraternity, based on the terminology established by Baird's Manual. In this case, successor means the name used directly after the Merger that ended the fraternity. In addition, a merger is an official action, taken by the governing bodies of two or more fraternities or chapters (as opposed to individual members). Sometimes you will see a couple of names in the successor field because not all of the chapters joined the same fraternity at the time of its dissolution. Since Phi Sigma Alpha formed several years after Sigma Iota and Phi Lambda Alpha merged (and went defunct) and was not created by an official act of the governing bodies of Sigma Iota or Phi Lambda Alpha, it is not a successor in the way this field is used. This does not diminish Phi Sigma Alpha's rich history; it just means that the Infobox is best suited for a quick summary, rather than complex details. @Jax MN, can you take a look at this to see if I am missing something? Rublamb (talk) 17:21, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you nailed it. We worked for some time to determine how best to handle this in the infobox. Merger partners are legal successors. Inactive chapters at the time of merger, if being reestablished, will typically continue into the successor fraternity as if they had been part of the merger and will take up a name designation that had been reserved for them, OR in the style or series that the merger partner had been using. Where chapters of two merging fraternities are present on a single campus, one may be absorbed by another, OR one may be "officially released" to join another national or go local. We call these two situations a Withdrawal. In some cases a chapter may Withdraw at THEIR sole discretion. The former national then has little say in the matter. Due to anti-poaching agreements or anti-poaching sensibilities, in the modern era (post-NIC) we hardly ever see withdrawals directly into a new national without a specific release agreement. Rather, these "go local" and a few years later they may join a second national. I do not know of a closure of a national which has negotiated a merger into TWO successor merger partners. One is always the first, or leading recipient, while others may pick up one or more lagging chapters. This typically happens when chapters of both proposed merger partners have an active, healthy presence on a campus, and which choose not to merge with each other.

Finally, we sometimes note that some chapters, or members of stray chapters are released as individual persons to join another chapter. As a blanket word, when this has occurred with multiple chapters and is not a "one-off" situation, we note this as "Scattered" in the infobox, as well as in the chapter list. All such situations are handled as fields and/or notes against the line for that chapter in a chapter list, and as you said, such detailed treatment is not suitable for the infobox. Jax MN (talk) 19:58, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, you linked Sigma Delta Alpha in both articles now, yet as noted at the top of the article for said organization (This article is about the fraternity established in 1992. For the fraternity founded as (ΣΔΑ) at the University of Puerto Rico in 1928, see Phi Sigma Alpha.) The wording as modified is incorrect. A more accurate wording could be this:

In 1934 graduate members of former Sigma Iota, Phi Lambda Alpha, and current Phi Iota Alpha in Puerto Rico, joined Puerto Rican fraternity Sigma Delta Alpha, and reorganized the latter as Phi Sigma Alpha.[User:Eljohnson15|El Johnson]] (talk) 13:43, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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