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Guide to deletion

Austin City Council District 2

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Individual city council districts like this aren't usually notable, perhaps a merge to the main article on the Austin City Council would be suitable, a discussion on the Austin City Council District 1 ended with consensus to merge. -Samoht27 (talk) 15:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Austin City Council District 10

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Individual city council districts aren't usually notable. Feels WP:MILL. -Samoht27 (talk) 15:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge/redirect to Austin City Council, as well as the other districts, same as the result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Austin City Council District 1. The main article can tabulate past members like Seattle City Council#Recent councilmembers rather than in individual pages for non-notable districts. Reywas92^Talk 16:06, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Auton

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The Autons don't appear to have standalone notability from the parent series. The current sources used in the article, and the bulk of SIGCOV, are from unreliable sources like Looper and Doctor Who TV. The bulk of coverage I could find via searching was primarily from reviews, which do not indicate notability individual of their parent episodes, and unreliable sources like WhatCulture. Additionally, the House of Lords statement, while relevant, is only part of their wider statement on Terror of the Autons, which is what actually caused the discussion in the first place. The Autons were only discussed as an aspect of the episode that was scary, with other aspects of the episode being discussed in equal measure. This whole statement confers notability to Terror of the Autons, not the Autons themselves, as notability is not inherited from the parent subject here.

A search through News turned up one SyFy hit, but this boiled down to a brief plot summary with a declaration of "These guys are scary", which is nowhere near significant coverage. https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/chosen-one-of-the-day-autons-in-doctor-who A search through Books and Scholar yielded nothing, though admittedly the results were muddied by concepts of autonomy and people with the name of Auton, even with specifiers like "Doctor Who." The coverage here is minimal and very little SIGCOV exists, and what info on their development we have is better covered as part of a wider article. An AtD to the "Nestene" section of List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens would suffice, as the Nestenes are the creatures who created the Autons, and the Autons serve basically as their lackeys, and are closely related enough in-universe to where they should be covered together. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 15:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Milaf Cola

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There is nothing to indicate that the subject is notable. This is a brazen advertisement for a 1 week-old (!) cola brand produced by the Saudi government. The sources are all garbage and they all read like sponsored content. Thenightaway (talk) 14:33, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: Very much PROMO. Reads like PR items, none of which are in RS. Could be a one liner in the Public Investment Fund article, perhaps... Oaktree b (talk) 16:34, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

List of NFL quarterbacks by teams beaten

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Does not pass WP:NLIST from my perspective, and comes across as WP:Fancruft/trivia. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:02, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Caribbean Twenty20

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2010 Caribbean Twenty20 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

2010–11 Caribbean Twenty20 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

2011–12 Caribbean Twenty20 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Not enough coverage on independent reliable sources for any of these articles; all of them fail WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Also, nominated the season articles. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:14, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Lone Tree, Indiana

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Baker actually describes this as a post office spot which moved, which is a classic 4th class PO thing. No, it doesn't mean that everyone pulled up stakes and moved; it just means that the original postmaster stopped handling the mail, and someone somewhere else took over. As usual I'm finding scant evidence for an actual town. Mangoe (talk) 12:47, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Association of Maldivian Engineers

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Association of Maldivian Engineers (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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No notability of this association and no public information about it. Closest thing available was the "Association of Civil Engineers Maldives" Unilandofma^{(Talk to me!)} 11:57, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: This is the closest thing to a RS I could find [1], which isn't enough. The last AfD was kept as a !keep due to mentions/profiles on two association websites, which isn't quite enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

2021–22 Women's T20 Cup

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Women's T20 Cup (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Not enough coverage for a separate season article; should be merged back to the parent article. Not enough coverage on independent reliable sources for both articles; both fail WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:40, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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nominated Women's T20 Cup also. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Boyd's Eurobin Hotel

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NHIST due to lack of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. Relies on local accounts and primary materials, with no in-depth analysis, making it non-notable per WP:RS. Primarily of regional interest without broader historical significance. Nxcrypto Message 11:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Dear Wikipedia Editors,

Thank you for reviewing the page for Boyd's Eurobin Hotel. I would like to provide additional context and justification for why this page should remain on Wikipedia. Below are several points addressing the concerns cited in the deletion proposal:

1. Historical Significance to the Region

Boyd's Eurobin Hotel is historically significant as one of the key social and logistical hubs in northeastern Victoria during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It served as:

A halfway stop for travellers between the important regional centres of Myrtleford and Bright, contributing to the region’s transportation and economic development during the coaching era.

A gathering place for political events, community meetings, and significant public addresses, as documented in multiple historical articles from the Ovens and Murray Advertiser.

While the hotel itself no longer exists, its historical role provides insights into the development of regional Victoria during a formative period, which aligns with the purpose of Wikipedia to preserve knowledge, particularly for places that have evolved significantly or no longer exist in their original form.

2. Reliable Sources and References

The article is based entirely on reliable, independent secondary sources, specifically reputable newspapers from the time such as:

The Ovens and Murray Advertiser, a well-regarded regional publication that extensively documented events, businesses, and social life in the area.

The Yackandandah Times and The Age, providing corroborating accounts of the hotel's role in the local economy and its broader community impact.

These are historical records, which, by their nature, provide the most comprehensive and legitimate sources of information about a hotel from the 19th century. Dismissing these sources as merely "local accounts" underestimates their value as the principal historical records of the time.

3. Importance of Preserving Regional History

The page contributes to the documentation of Victoria’s regional history, complementing related pages on Eurobin, St. Clement's Church Eurobin, and the Eurobin Presbyterian Church. Together, these articles create a cohesive narrative about a once-thriving hamlet. Removing this page would leave a significant gap in understanding Eurobin’s history.

Wikipedia is often the first and only resource for regional and niche history. Deleting this page would undermine the platform’s role as a repository for diverse historical content, especially for subjects that are less well-known but still meaningful to specific regions or communities.

4. Meets Wikipedia’s Notability Guidelines for History

The article satisfies WP:NHIST by:

Establishing the hotel’s role in regional historical events, such as being a venue for political campaigns, community gatherings, and a recovery site for injured travellers.

Providing multiple, independent sources that verify the hotel's importance in its historical context.

While the subject might not have broad national or global appeal, Wikipedia policies allow for regional notability. Boyd’s Eurobin Hotel represents a significant chapter in the development of northeastern Victoria, a region rich in history but underrepresented on the platform.

5. Broader Educational Value

The page serves as an example of how small, local institutions contributed to the larger social and economic fabric of Australia during the 19th century. It adds depth to the broader historical understanding of transportation, community hubs, and rural development in Victoria.

Conclusion

I respectfully request that the page be retained, as it:

Is thoroughly referenced with reliable secondary sources.

Provides significant historical value to the Eurobin area and northeastern Victoria.

Contributes to a richer understanding of Australia’s regional history.

I am happy to address any specific points of concern and welcome suggestions for improving the page further to meet Wikipedia’s standards.

Sincerely,

blackcatsx Blackcatsx (talk) 14:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• First, are any of the sources used available online and if so can you please link them? It's unclear if any of this news coverage is substantial coverage. One of the sources is "Found: A young boar pig" and another is just "Accident", so these seem to be local news briefs, not deeper substance. If the hotel is historically significant to warrant an article, I would expect retrospective histories to provide coverage, not only contemporary news articles. You say this region is "underrepresented on the platform", but it appears that's because it's underrepresented in history books, and WP:PRIMARY sources are insufficient for an article here. To be clear, being "a recovery site for injured travellers" or a venue for "community gatherings" is not a basis for notability, there are a billion such places. "The property is often mentioned in the context of the town's historical significance" really couches the fact that the town generally is what's notable, not a hotel there. "The establishment was a hub of activity, reflecting its importance within the Eurobin community" is not sourced. "A recurring theme in historical records" would be WP:Original research – you reviewed the records, not a historian in a published source. Besides that this section has just one source that doesn't support "recurring" or "articles", why would anyone now care that the hotel had an employee who did her job? "Its role as a community hub, coaching stop, and post office has left an indelible mark on the history of Eurobin." If it's so indelible, why aren't there any more modern sources that say so? "Today, Boyd's Eurobin Hotel exists only in historical records and memories." I think anyone with memories of it is dead now. Reywas92^Talk 15:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: The equivalent of a telephone book listing [2] is about all I found for sourcing. Based on the long explanation above, this could potentially be notable, but we need sourcing with links to the documents if possible. I just don't see notability at this time. Oaktree b (talk) 16:39, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Kamand Amirsoleimani

Kamand Amirsoleimani (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO, as no significant coverage in reliable, independent sources is available to establish notability. IMDb and MUBI are not reliable sources (WP:USERG). Nxcrypto Message 10:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: a fairly notable actress, meeting WP:ACTRESS with multiple significant roles in notable productions; the page needs improvement and the corresponding article in Persian can help, for a start. -Mushy Yank. 12:13, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Sahara Elite League

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Not enough coverage on independent reliable sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 10:46, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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East African Premier League

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Not enough coverage on independent reliable sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 10:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Shajaan Muaz Shaheem

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Subject does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, lacks more reliable sources. I don't think greatbusinessexchange.co.uk and open.endole.co.uk are reliable sources. Plus, being a wife of an MP doesn't make the person notable. The article has only one sentence. Also, Secretary General of the organization is just a normal job and isn't a notable position. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 10:15, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

I updated most of the cites which was cleared out from the article while someone else edited it and also found resources on Mary Robinson climate justice award and one young world too, but as its not my targeted development I haven't put any of this and just cited and it was deleted, concentrating mostly on the attacks concerning the subject during her pregnancy which related to the parliamentarian and his tenure as that develops. NormadicEditor (talk) 11:03, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

https://avas.mv/108984 https://ras.mv/post/13249https://dhen.mv/94568https://dhauru.com/post/news/1702https://feshun.mv/128075https://adhadhu.com/article/12638https://dhen.mv/33092https://ras.mv/post/17564https://sangu.mv/33077/https://www.furathama.com/2698/https://www.furathama.com/2698/https://feshun.mv/131777https://cnm.mv/news/19111https://mihaaru.com/news/81675https://mihaaru.com/news/81675https://staging.mihaaru.com/news/99461https://adhadhu.com/article/12638https://avas.mv/101312https://avas.mv/101312https://dhauru.com/post/news/1702https://dhiyares.com/30822https://www.furathama.com/2698/https://dhauru.com/post/news/1681https://sun.mv/158306https://sun.mv/158306https://mihaaru.com/news/81675https://www.psmnews.mv/87258https://sun.mv/158320https://cnm.mv/news/34477https://cnm.mv/news/34477https://ramazan.mihaaru.com/ramazan/99436https://en.sun.mv/67112https://english.sun.mv/69969https://en.thepress.mv/13387

So this article was actually being developed due to these, I understand the positions mentioned doesn't make the person notable,( I didn't have much information on the individual than those three positions to describe the lead) but the saga surrounding these cites was the main notability of the article, because this subjected to life threatening circumstances also due to it immense coverage and by news platforms. NormadicEditor (talk) 11:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

All those citations are about the couple's marriage, "MP Haitham has married", and the couple receiving a attack. That doesn't mean the wife is notable. Notability is on what the person has done. Eg: A notable job, a profession, occupation etc.. The article could be made a redirect to her husband's article "Ahmed Haitham" instead and make a "Personal life" section. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 11:47, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that’s exactly what I was trying to express but wasn’t sure how to phrase it. I even considered whether Wikipedia has a personal template on another’s data page or something similar. The subject has notable positions but non was on the news articles but mostly on edu websites and academia which doesn't qualify for the wiki guidelines and the feline welfare part I concentrated due to the huge media coverage surrounding the organisation and its notable work for stray cats, Could you also help me with creating a redirect article? I’m not very familiar with the process. Thanks again for all your help! :) NormadicEditor (talk) 12:09, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

I finally figured out how the redirect works! Wikipedia has been a bit tricky for me (clearly, I need to ditch my jour-no habits). Thanks for teaching me something new today , you’re a true Wikipedia mentor! Now, what should we do with the delete template? NormadicEditor (talk) 12:42, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect Redirect to Ahmed Haitham. Unilandofma^{(Talk to me!)} 14:01, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect: to the spouse's page seems fine. Most of what's used for sourcing doesn't show notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

58 Seconds

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Fails WP:NFILM; there's nothing from a cursory search to also substantiate notability. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:56, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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  Why is this sorted in Television-related AfDs? I don't think this is a TV production. -Mushy Yank. 12:49, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Weak delete. Was unable to find any online sources about this film. As it stands, it fails WP:NFILM. Though, part of me wonders if there are any offline sources considering the film was made in 1964; if there are multiple reliable sources covering this film from something like a newspaper then I would consider keeping it. Beachweak (talk) 10:18, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep as it is the first and noted film of a notable director (https://nfi.hu/en/core-films-1/films-3/documentaries-1/58-seconds.html) (see NFIC: involves a notable person and is a major part of their career) A Redirect to Lívia Gyarmathy#Filmography, a standard alternative to deletion when the director is notable and has a page on this WP, seems warranted anyway [edited after having improved the page]. -Mushy Yank. 12:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 10:09, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Keely Shaye Smith

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Notable mainly for being Pierce Brosnan's wife. However, notability is not inherited. All reliable references to her exist because she is Pierce Brosnan's wife.

Fails notability guideline WP:JOURNALIST --LK (talk) 09:45, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment I've found a few non-trivial newspaper articles that aren't just about her link to Brosnan. The second one mentions their relationship but it's more about her and her own career work. 1, 2. GoldenAgeFan1 (talk) 14:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

I.I.M.U.N.

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The Wikipedia page for IIMUN (India's International Movement to Unite Nations) does not meet Wikipedia's notability criteria as outlined in the General Notability Guidelines (GNG). While the organization claims widespread activity and recognition, the sources cited are primarily self-published or lack significant, reliable secondary coverage in independent publications. The majority of the references either originate from IIMUN itself, social media posts, or promotional material, which are insufficient to establish notability. Furthermore, the achievements mentioned, such as organizing large-scale conferences and initiatives like "Find a Bed," fail to receive substantial and consistent coverage from reputable third-party sources over a significant period. Without verifiable, independent, and non-trivial coverage, the subject cannot be deemed notable under Wikipedia's policies. Therefore, the article does not merit inclusion and should be considered for deletion. Likehumansdo (talk) 09:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: The nom should have done the review just like their username Likehumansdo. This is a clear keep, it easily passes GNG, and I can't find any reason for deletion. It seems like the rationale was pulled out of thin air, almost like asking, "Generate a reason to delete this article?".--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 15:57, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Der Herr wird dich mit seiner Güte segnen

Der Herr wird dich mit seiner Güte segnen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:NSONG. Possibly could redirect to Helmut Schlegel. Polyamorph (talk) 09:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment: please inform project Classical music. - This song is published in the main section of Gotteslob, the central Catholic hymnal for all German-speaking countries, actually twice in several dioceses. It also gets sung as I can tell you from church experience (which can't be said of all songs in the book). What else do you need to be notable? It has even become part of a major published work, you can listen on YouTube. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep This demanding hymn is covered by notable sources, for example by the musicologist and theologian Meinrad Walter. Grimes2 (talk) 10:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
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• Keep – This hymn is part of standard hymn books. This particular hymn has received coverage in several religious websites, here, here, here, and here (quick web search). Church hymns will (almost) never satisfy the the enumerated criteria at WP:NSONG, so that's setting the the wrong bar to clear. OTOH, I think it clears WP:GNG. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:04, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

  I saw those links, none of which appear to be particularly reliable sources, especially not the blog. Although I take your point that WP:NSONG may not be the correct bar for hymns. Polyamorph (talk) 14:50, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

  I don't understand how those websites can be characterised as unreliable. "blog" in a URL doesn't automatically disqualify that website; its author is de:Anton Stingl jun.. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 15:34, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Martina Ononiwu

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This article is largely based on 4 sources about her being "awarded the US Presidential Lifetime Achievers Award (Presidential Volunteer Service Award) (PVSA) by American President Joe Biden." This is apparently only reported in Nigerian sources, not in any official source, and she isn't listed on the official list[3]. The award is apparently only intended for "U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents", so not for a Nigerian in France. If the sources have this basic fact, the premisse for the articles, wrong, then they aren't reliable sources to start with but just repeating something spoonfed by the subject or someone trying to promote them. Fram (talk) 09:33, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete I've just done a deep dive into this. The President's Volunteer Service Award has various grades, and is given to numerous people every year, and is not generally notable. Only at the highest level, people receiving the the President's Call to Service Award (also called the "President's Lifetime Achievement Award"), may be notable for receiving the award. But even that is doubtful, as recipients are usually notable already in their own right. In any case, it's pretty clear that Martina Ononiwu did not receive the President's Call to Service Award, as there are no US-based notable sources testifying to this. A search for the name "Martina Ononiwu" is the news sources yields nothing except Nigerian news sources stating that she was given the President's Lifetime Achievement Award. It is highly unlikely that a person would be honored with the President's Lifetime Achievement Award, without leaving any sort of trace in the news sources. --LK (talk) 11:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: Appears to be a HOAX based on the fact that USA sources mention nothing about the awards. I don't see notability otherwise. Oaktree b (talk) 16:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Noventi

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Fails WP:NCORP. Insufficient independent in-depth sources to establish notability. The notability requirements for companies is much higher now. Article seems to be created by COI user. Imcdc Contact 09:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Abu Dhabi T20 Trophy

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Not enough coverage on independent reliable sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 09:09, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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American Share Insurance

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Actually not meeting NCORP; I did we before however it did not help. NiftyyyNofteeeee (talk) 08:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Armed Forces Insurance

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I did wp before, but was not able to locate reliable sources meeting NCORP. Ready to withdraw the nomination if the reliable sources are found and added NiftyyyNofteeeee (talk) 08:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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R&R Insurance Services

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Doesn't pass NCORP criteria NiftyyyNofteeeee (talk) 08:40, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG on WP:NORG, WP:ORGSIG and WP:ORGCRIT. No WP:RS and WP:IS other than some coverage in local media. Fail WP:V.

Louis Mangione

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I fail to see the notability of the father of the shooter in the Brian Thompson killing. Being the father alone does not grant such notability, and the enterprises Louis Mangione is head of were also created the same time and day this article was, by the same user. The known for is also a bit egregious, "known for being the heir to the Mangione family fortune". I don't think much of anyone before two days ago even knew the Mangione family fortune existed. Réunion! 08:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep It is irrelevant who created the article, why, or when. What matters is whether the subject is notable and whether there are reliable sources attesting to that. Based on that argument, you could have also nominated Nicholas Mangione for deletion, but you opted not to. Prior to recent events, Louis Mangione was mentioned by the Baltimore Sun here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here and by the Washington Post here, here, here, here, here, and here. He served as Vice President of Mangione Family Enterprises for decades and is now the head of the Mangione family fortune. All of that demonstrates his notability in the local business community. His son's recent actions simply shine further coverage on the family, which has been covered amply by the Baltimore and Washington, D.C. press for decades. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 09:18, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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Keep per Bohemian Baltimore.-🐦DrWho42👻 10:12, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep Why delete information? 2600:1702:540:6BF0:4403:38E5:2AA8:F46C (talk) 10:28, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Because WP:NOTEVERYTHING Geschichte (talk) 10:43, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete I went through every single one of Bohemian Baltimore's sources, and not a one of them is about Mangione; they are all about real-estate controversies loosely involving a Mangione property, with one or two brief quotes from Mangione sprinkled in. As for the references in the article, references 2 and 8 are the only ones I'd consider SIGCOV, and they are only talking about this individual in the context of the shooting. The article is a hybrid WP:BLP1E and WP:NOTINHERITED violation. Clearly this individual is not notable beyond the events of the past week. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 12:19, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

  @WeirdNAnnoyed - Wikipedia:Notability says that "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 12:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: So he's a buisnessman with a son that says he did bad things, not proven in court yet. If this was brought up to AfD six months ago, we'd delete it. Same reasoning applies, his business enterprise is not notable, he's only being talked about because of his son. Oaktree b (talk) 15:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, per the analysis by WeirdNAnnoyed and my own at the sources, which do not include significant coverage. Esolo5002 (talk) 16:56, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment — It is irrelevant who created the article, why, or when. I'd say when the article was created is critical here. When other editors invoke "the sum total of human knowledge" in reference to this project and I poke holes in their arguments large enough to drive a 747 through, there's a reason why it's met with denial and suppression. There's far more to "the sum total of human knowledge" than parroting the agenda of the legacy media and writing about little else. If BB's laundry list of sources going back decades really meant anything, then I shouldn't be looking at an article that's only about 12 hours old. Wikipedia repeatedly shows its lack of credibility by newly creating biographies as a reaction to the subject's death, when the real world saw the person as notable decades ago. In addition to the WP:WHATEVER invoked by WeirdNAnnoyed above, there's also WP:COATRACK. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 18:52, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete per WeirdNAnnoyed. I also did my own research on Newspapers.com to see if there were any articles from The Baltimore Sun about Mangione himself, as there were about his father, and could only find articles about his proposed real-estate developments, in which he is mentioned one or two times and not as the primary subject. Y2hyaXM (talk) 21:55, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

KEEP. The only reason the family or family friend has requested deletion is because they’re worried about their reputation. The public should know about anyone running a “family enterprise” …especially when their ultra-privileged offspring murders a man who came from a rural, working-class family and worked for over 20 years to make CEO with a bachelors degree from a state school. If that isn’t ironic enough, the CEO made far less money than his own parents. There is a nation-wide conversation about wealth right now, and the Mangione’s shouldn't get to opt out. 2600:1008:B218:2C3F:F0FA:33BB:D96D:23E5 (talk) 04:06, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Correction: Mangiones 2600:1008:B218:2C3F:F0FA:33BB:D96D:23E5 (talk) 04:06, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

That man wasn't known a week ago, and appears to have a rather ho-hum business career, that's not quite notable for here. Oaktree b (talk) 05:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment I find it funny how here I'm accused of being related to the Mangiones. I have absolutely no relation to him, nor do I know any of his family. He is simply not relevant enough to be on the site, as users WeirdNAnnoyed and RadioKAOS have articulated far better than I can. Réunion! 05:49, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

KEEP: Well, he just hired a posh, well-known NY attorney to represent his son who murdered someone. I say he’s about to be more notable than he was before. Perhaps we should give it a few weeks. 108.160.192.62 (talk) 05:31, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep as per Bohemian Baltimore. He clearly has has significant coverage. However, there is precedent from 2007 that this article could still be deleted to protect individuals only tangentially connected with a major crime; the subject made a direct appeal to Jimbo Wales, and then not only was the article deleted and salted, but the two AfDS were memory holed. Bearian (talk) 03:40, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per Oaktree b. This likely fails notability. Especially as most, if not all notability, is because of Luigi - not Louis or his career. Synorem (talk) 11:19, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. E_F⁵ 15:06, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, several reliable sources cover Louis. Senior Captain Thrawn (talk) 18:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per Bohemian Baltimore, he's notable for reasons other than his son killing some big CEO. KmartEmployeeTor (talk) 19:34, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep Idek mann (talk) 20:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep I was on the fence about this one, but as time goes on there are more sources being added that support his relevancy outside of his son.Thief-River-Faller (talk) 22:02, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• delete Yes, there are reliable sources, and what they reliably show is that he's a reasonably successful business person of no particular note except for that son of his, whose notoriety he does not inherit. And yes, the timing does matter, because two decades of lack of interest in him here is already evidence for his lack of notability. Look if the Sun or someone were to put up a profile of him that would be a stronger argument, but when you compare his article to his father's, the paucity here is really very obvious. Mangoe (talk) 23:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep as per Bohemian Baltimore OsageOrange (talk) 00:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - There is a lot of voting going on here (both ways) but little actual consideration of the sources. Bohemian Baltimore gave just two sources: The Baltimore Sun (which irritatingly presents different content in Europe to what Americans see, requiring a bit of trickery to review) and the Washington Post. Multiple articles from a single source count as one towards GNG, but that is moot because, as has already been pointed out by WeirdNAnnoyed, none of these sources count towards GNG, because none have significant coverage on Mangione. I'll take just one example: The idea is to preserve the golf courses and develop a mixed-use community around it with as much green space as possible," said Louis Mangione, "[etc.]"[4]. WP:SIGCOV requires that coverage addresses the topic directly and in detail The topic here is Mangione, and this coverage does not address him as the topic at all. Sources are required to give us something to write the page from. There is literally nothing there that we can say about Mangione. That source provides us nothing at all. It is not SIGCOV. And no, we can't use his spoken words because those are primary and not independent. Bohemian Baltimore quotes the guidance that the mention does not need to be the main topic of the source material and that is true, but it must still be significant. There is nothing we can say about Mangione from these sources. They do not meet GNG. None of them. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:58, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Run of the mill business person, does not meet WP:GNG, notablity is not inherited. Orange sticker (talk) 17:22, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per Sirfurboy’s reasoning. While Louis Mangione has popped up in many Baltimore/DC newspaper articles over the years, the articles typically only provide the bare minimum amount of information about Mangione needed for the reader to understand his relevancy to the main article topic. These are trivial mentions, not significant coverage. The only meaningfully in-depth coverage about Mangione comes from articles about his son and father (who does actually have some significant coverage pre-dating the shooting). I don’t believe that a large number of trivial mentions and some inherited notability is enough to meet GNG. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 23:30, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep as per @Bohemian Baltimore AverageWikiContributor (talk) 23:38, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

I put this as a reply. AverageWikiContributor (talk) 23:39, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

OOPS* Can someone delete this? I don't know how; AverageWikiContributor (talk) 23:39, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

I removed your duplicate per your request and left this one in place as requested here [5]. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:19, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete As per the reasons put forward by Oaktree b who said: "His business enterprise is not notable. If this was brought up to AfD six months ago, we'd delete it." Kind Tennis Fan (talk) 01:57, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Not notable outside of his son being a widely-known suspect in a crime. Kingturtle = (talk) 18:54, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. But at this point, I'm leaning Delete. I think those argue for Deletion have made the argument that aside from his son's alleged crimes, he is a run-of-the-mill businessman. There are only a few sources used in the article but a source assessment and whether or not they provide SIGCOV would be useful right now.
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• Delete: fails WP:GNG. The sources provided give the illusion of notability, but upon closer inspection, none of them offer WP:SIGCOV. They're all passing mentions. This is a clear case of WP:NOTINHERITED.--DesiMoore (talk) 16:12, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Teen Universe 2015

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Does not meet WP:EVENT or WP:GNG. Furthermore, this Teen Universe competition does not have its own standalone article, suggesting limited notability for the event series as a whole. - The9Man ^Talk 08:21, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Delete as per WP:GNG, the fact that no other article for this event except this one raises some eyebrows. Madeline1805 (talk) 14:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Express Media Group

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Lack of WP:NOTABILITY (if it still exists). I've just fixed about half a dozen incoming links intended for the Pakistani organisation of the same name. I suggest moving the Pakistani org to this name, and creating a redirect from Express Media Group (Australia) to the 4WD article. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

p.s. I've just discovered that Express Media Group (Pakistan) is actually just a redirect, not an article. So I suggest just making Express Media Group a redirect to the same article. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Hougang knife attack

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Classic case of WP:NOTNEWS—it's a tragedy for sure but there's been zero demonstration of any lasting significance... KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 07:57, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. Can always be recreated if in the future it would somehow gain more enduring notability than the countless other murders happening each year. Fram (talk) 08:41, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep, I thought that this made the headlines quite a lot and considering it also was reported in Malaysian and Vietnamese newspapers and not just from the local one. Plus, I also felt that in view of Singapore's low crime rate, it is not common to have such spree stabbings happen in the public where more than one victim is stabbed. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 09:16, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

And to sideline for Comment, I might need to clarify how some shocking cases can be kept in Wikipedia when they just happen, like the River Valley High School attack and mass shootings like the Charleston Church shooting, but others of such standard need to be deleted and later recreated on Wikipedia? What standards do I need to follow to ensure it can be kept? (I am pretty sure the coverage is not a problem here.) NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 09:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Every incident/article has to be assessed on its own merits. You are right that there's lots of coverage for this murder but it remains to be seen how enduring the coverage will be. I strongly urge you to better exercise your discretion (or consult others if you really can't tell). Please refrain from rushing to create an article for every single murder in the country as soon as it occurs—it's just not necessary. KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 03:50, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Let's remember what the purpose of Wikipedia is and why we are writing all these articles. It would be better not to rush into writing an article as soon as the incident happens. The RVHS attack is a unique case as it happened inside a school, and from this detail alone, we can see right from the beginning that the case will have lasting significance. To put it into perspective, 5 to 10 years down the road most people will still remember the RVHS attack. At the moment I do not see the same happening for this Hougang attack. While it is getting significant coverage right now, after time has passed I do not expect many people with no connection to the case to remember it. However, this could change in the future if there are new developments. Blissfulclarity (talk) 14:58, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. Tragic incident. But WP:SBST. BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 17:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
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• Keep, per all the coverage that this has. Davidgoodheart (talk) 07:40, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Redirect to List of major crimes in Singapore (2020–present)#2024 : Based on WP:EVENTCRIT, there is a need for 1) enduring historical significance or lasting effect N 2) widespread (national or international) impact and were very widely covered in diverse sources. While passing WP:GNG for being covered in diverse sources, there is no widespread impact. N 3) Events having lesser coverage or more limited scope may or may not be notable is not exactly applicable here so N 4) Routine kinds of news events – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance which basically ties back to point 1 so {{n}). The knife attack fails all 4 criteria so it should fails notability for event. ~ JASWE (talk) 06:02, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Changed to redirect to keep existing article and have a summarised version of the incident in the List of major crimes in Singapore (2020–present) article to preserve history in the event this incident sparks any reforms in the future. ~ JASWE (talk) 06:09, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. I don't see a consensus here yet and I think this discussion could use a bit more time. What I'm not seeing here is a source assessment which would useful in determining whether or not this incident has the notability for a standalone article.
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• Redirect to to List of major crimes in Singapore (2020–present)#2024. This clearly meets the GNG, with several days of national news coverage and some international coverage in the region. (For this reason, the outcome of this AfD should not put in doubt the creator's autopatrolled rights.) However, this is a rare case where I agree that the lasting effect is likely to be minimal. The attacker and victims knew each other and this is not a mass stabbing. Murder is rare in Singapore, which makes any such incident shocking to the nation, but List of major crimes in Singapore (2020–present) shows that this incident is unfortunately not unique. Toadspike [Talk] 07:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Kalin (Hinduism)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:V; after searching extensively, I found no reliable sources verifying the existence of 'Kalin' in the Rigveda or Hindu mythology. Likely WP:OR. Nxcrypto Message 07:04, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Achwa 3 Hydroelectric Power Station

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This is not a real thing. At best this is WP:TOOSOON it was planned to open in 2022 and construction has not even started. Google search results do not establish notability. It cannot be considered a place since there is nothing there, verified with google maps. Czarking0 (talk) 06:19, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG on WP:NGEO and WP:NBUILDING. No WP:RS and WP:IS for WP:V. QEnigma talk 16:15, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

17th SAARC summit

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Not notable enough for a separate article, can be redirected to List of SAARC summits. Unilandofma (talk) 06:06, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect. This article lacks WP:RS and WP:IS to meet the WP:V. The current status of the organisation is unclear and largely speculative, given the absence of summits since 2014 and the cancellation of the 2016 summit and subsequent meetings. QEnigma talk 16:04, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Gregory J. Blotnick

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It's unclear to me why this man's fraud conviction makes him notable. There were many people who committed PPP fraud and while large, his is not the largest or most well reported. I see a smattering of reporting, of the routine kind of reporting you usually see that is rewritten SEC or DOJ press releases.

Furthermore, I don't see how he is notable for his finance activities prior to his conviction.

This article seems to promote the man in a twisted kind of way. I am concerned about the potential COI nature of this articles creation as well, because the Wikidata item for this page/person, Gregory Blotnick (Q131440997) is being actively edited by wikidata:User:Gregory J. Blotnick so shortly after creation. William Graham ^talk 05:35, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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David Fleischer (judge)

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The subject of the article is not notable enough to warrant an article. WP:JUDGE notes that local elected officials are not presumed to be notable merely by their status. WP:SUSTAINED notes that notable topics must "have attracted attention over a sufficiently significant period of time"; the sources in this article indicate that the subject of the article is only known for one event (chastising police in reference 6 by Yasmeen) and the rest of the sources are interviews or entries in databases like the state bar. WP:BLP1E applies here as Fleischer is only known for one event. Artwhitemaster (talk) 05:03, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment I think the notable thing about this guy is that he's on the streaming sites and getting attention for his videos. ABC News recently did a piece on him[6]. He got other coverage in either June or October (website gives both) in the Atlanta Black Star[7]. There's very little secondary stuff out there about him that I could identify. Oblivy (talk) 06:20, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

  The videos are just live-streams and video clips from his court duties, which I would say are primary sources. All the news articles about him are from selected incidents of his "best moments" calling out dubious legal evidence, like the incident that generated all that media coverage in October, which feels like a WP:BLP1E moment where he has his 15 minutes of fame, generates some secondary sources, and remains low-profile. Artwhitemaster (talk) 09:04, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

  To clarify, I'm not saying he's wikipedia notable just that he has some notability and it's not merely being a humble judge as the nomination suggests. The sourcing is an issue. Oblivy (talk) 09:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep He's a pretty popular judge on YouTube where several channels cover his court proceedings. He also has his own channel where he live streams his court room. In this interview with him he talks about, among other things, his part in bail reform and other judicial reform in Texas (it's linked as a reference already, but only for bits of his personal life). Towards the end, the interview also touches on that it's pretty unique for a judge to live stream court. He responds that he does it for transparency and educational purposes to let people see how the system works and what the consequences could be, and that teachers have reached out to him regarding using his streams in classrooms. Xxc3nsoredxx (talk) 06:39, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

  I feel like the fact that several channels simply clip and repost his courtroom stream doesn't really do much in terms of notability, since I would consider them primary sources that aren't about him. Should every judge on Court Cam have their own wiki page? Him having his own YouTube channel also doesn't matter since the source is not independent from the subject - not even mentioning that it's not a source for the article. As for the interview, IMO his opinions on judicial reform have no bearing on whether or not to delete the article. Artwhitemaster (talk) 09:14, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: I thought he met the general notability criteria rather than the criteria under judge. But I agree that it's not amazing sourcing. ^SMason_Garrison 13:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

2023 NBA In-Season Tournament championship game

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Non-notable tournament final that is lacking in serious coverage of the game itself. Could be covered sufficiently at 2023 NBA In-Season Tournament. In it's current form, the article really isn't more than a simple summary of the game. Esolo5002 (talk) 04:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge with 2023 NBA In-Season Tournament per nomination. Alvaldi (talk) 07:04, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: Firstly, the tournament is notable due to its extensive media coverage, high viewership, substantial incentives, and official recognition as a major event by the NBA itself. Secondly, the coverage of the final is on par with other significant championship games, such as the 2024 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Championship Game, 2024 NBA Finals and MLS Cup 2024. Lastly, the page offers more than just a game summary; it includes detailed information about the rosters, pre-game context, and the aftermath. H-Hurry (talk) 07:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Merge I don't understand this pathology to create articles for individual games when the main article can cover it just fine. Most of this page is duplicative of the tournament pages, and other details like the aftermath are welcome to be added there. Reywas92^Talk 14:46, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. Rlendog (talk) 15:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Code page 853

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:51, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Transwiki, too obscure. Alexlatham96 (talk) 04:21, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 860

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout, beyond a couple mentions in some books. HyperAccelerated (talk) 05:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Keep Has enough sources, and is a well-established code page. Transwiki or Merge, because this is a search term, but not notable enough to have its own article. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

You have done nothing to explain how this article has adequate sourcing. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

One new source showing date of creation: here.Alexlatham96 (talk) 22:12, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

That's not sufficient, since it's a trivial mention according to WP: SIGCOV. HyperAccelerated (talk) 22:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 859

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: Can't find any sources to expand the article or establish notability. BJackJS talk 15:12, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Transwiki, too obscure. Alexlatham96 (talk) 04:21, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Alexlatham96, transwiki where? -- asilvering (talk) 03:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  Transwiki to the Character Encodings Wikibook. Alexlatham96 (talk) 17:38, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 857

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:58, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Keep Has enough sources, and is a well-established code page. Transwiki or Merge, because this is a search term, but not notable enough to have its own article. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

You have done nothing to explain how this article has adequate sourcing. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

One new source showing date of creation: here.Alexlatham96 (talk) 22:12, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

That's not sufficient, since it's a trivial mention according to WP: SIGCOV. HyperAccelerated (talk) 22:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 856

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:57, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Keep Has enough sources, and is a well-established code page. I now have no decision about this one. Transwiki, no sources. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

You have done nothing to explain how this article has adequate sourcing. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 1169

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Transwiki No sources. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 855

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout, besides maybe one trivial mention in a book. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Keep Has enough sources, and is a well-established code page. Transwiki or Merge, because this is a search term, but not notable enough to have its own article. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

You have done nothing to explain how this article has adequate sourcing. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

One new source showing date of creation: here.Alexlatham96 (talk) 22:11, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

That looks like a trivial mention, which doesn't meet WP: SIGCOV. HyperAccelerated (talk) 22:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 852

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Keep Has enough sources, and is a well-established code page. Transwiki or Merge, because this is a search term, but does not appear to be notable enough to have its own article. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

You have done nothing to explain how this article has adequate sourcing. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Found 2 sources showing date of creation: here and here. Do these solve the problem?Alexlatham96 (talk) 22:11, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

No, they don't. We generally don't consider blogs to be authoritative sources, and the other page looks like a bunch of documentation that defines the contents of code pages but provides little information beyond that. Neither source establishes notability. HyperAccelerated (talk) 22:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 851

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout, including the six currently in the article. HyperAccelerated (talk) 03:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Transwiki Alexlatham96 (talk) 04:20, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 720

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout, including the six currently in the article. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete, although a redirect to Code page#DOS code pages could work in theory, I seriously doubt the article has enough views to warrant an optimal redirect. Conyo14 (talk) 18:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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Code page 708

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:51, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 668

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge or Transwiki per my rationale for Code page 3846 above. Davemc0 (talk) 19:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Merge or Transwiki per @Davemc0.– Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 01:58, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 778

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:46, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Transwiki this and the related LST 1590-4. Alexlatham96 (talk) 04:17, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 775

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. Most of the sources describe what the code page layout is but don't provide any information beyond that. The remaining source(s) don't look reliable or don't give us significant information about the code page with which we could use to build an article. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:45, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Keep Has enough sources, and is a well-established code page. Transwiki or Merge, because this is a search term, but does not appear to be notable enough to have its own article. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

You have done nothing to explain how this article has adequate sourcing. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 777

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Transwiki Alexlatham96 (talk) 04:17, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 776

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Transwiki Alexlatham96 (talk) 04:17, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

• Merge or Transwiki per my rationale for Code page 3846 above. Davemc0 (talk) 17:15, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 773

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:41, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Transwiki Alexlatham96 (talk) 04:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

• Merge or Transwiki per my rationale for Code page 3846 above. Davemc0 (talk) 17:15, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 770

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. The creator of the article added one source that provides a trivial mention of the subject, then dePRODed the article. Without sufficient sourcing improvements, this article should be deleted. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:40, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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  Seems like a good idea to dump this. Possibly the article listing code page numbers could add a word saying what language the page is designed for.

  Please also try to get rid of the cruft added to actual influential code pages, such as code page 850 which have been padded with a number of obscure code pages that are "similar". Spitzak (talk) 14:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  I have done some of this.Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• I recommend to merge the deletion discussions and transwiki all, but keep redirect to the DOS code pages article the more well-known code pages (775, 852, 855, 857, and 860) especially only if sources are found. and link to the tables for now (but at some point start a discussion on which tables can be added in the DOS code pages article). I want to keep 851 as well, but sourcing may be inadequate. Others facing deletion are: Code page 708, Code page 720, Code page 773, Code page 775, Code page 776, Code page 777, Code page 778, Code page 851, Code page 852, Code page 853, Code page 855, Code page 856, Code page 857, Code page 3846, Code page 859, Code page 860, Code page 1169. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  Per WP:NOTMANUAL, is there any reason to keep any of these CP articles as free-standing articles (rather than merely sections of a broad concept article, code page)? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:05, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  Moving this material to another wiki is functionally the same as a delete vote to me, because it indicates that the material does not belong on Wikipedia. I don't care what you do with any of this material after it's deleted as long as it's off Wikipedia. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  Having them in a central article about code pages is my preferred solution. DRMcCreedy (talk) 19:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  I don't see how one article with many tables is any better than many articles with one table... HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  Having them default to collapsed would be at least a start. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  I think only the more well-known code pages should be listed in the article. The rest can transwiki. Of these, only code page 852 has more than 4 articles in other languages. What makes it unique? Alexlatham96 (talk) 19:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  I don't necessarily disagree, but I'm primarily concerned with whether this content is appropriate to host on Wikipedia in the first place. At the end of the day, these pages just contain a massive amount of documentation, and we are not a website for hosting documentation. HyperAccelerated (talk) 20:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  I see one article with many tables as better because a table is not a separate entity that is tracked, discussed, considered for deletion, etc. We're seeing a case of it right here. There are 20 AfD discussions going on because these are separate articles. One article could be dealt with much more efficiently in all ways. Many people might perceive the separate articles with a sense of cruft. Davemc0 (talk) 17:11, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  These were nominated as separate articles because I have never done a bulk nomination. If I could go back in time and bulk nominate them, I would. There are some other code page articles that I have yet to nominate. Those will likely be done in bulk, because I do find managing this many nominations to be a bit of a mess. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:41, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

  Also, we do not keep articles because we hope that there are good sources out there or because you claim they are "well-known". Hope does not establish notability: tangible, high-quality sources do. If a subject is as well known as you claim, you should have no issue finding such sources. HyperAccelerated (talk) 20:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  • I found a source for Code page 852 here and a source here for DOS code pages, but I don't know if they pass guidelines. Maybe it is best to transwiki all of them, or at least the ones with no sources.Alexlatham96 (talk) 22:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

    Neither passes the guidelines -- we generally don't consider blogs to be authoritative sources, and the other page looks like a bunch of documentation that defines the contents of code pages but provides little information beyond that. I don't know how much time you spend in AfD, but the policy you're looking for is WP: SIGCOV. In the future, you should make sure that whatever sources you find meet all of the criteria there. HyperAccelerated (talk) 22:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment This content fits very nicely with the wikibook. I have not looked into which code pages are notable, but it seems to me that those that are not should be transwikied there. I'm more concerned that they are on some wiki rather than which wiki. I also think that these are all plausible search terms, and they should ideally redirect to something more specific than the lede of Code page. McYeee (talk) 05:14, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment This seems like a nice solution to me. Davemc0 (talk) 17:11, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Should be merged with other articles. Not deleted outright. GalaxyDoge72 (talk) 02:03, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Merge or Transwiki per my rationale for Code page 3846 above.Davemc0 (talk) 17:11, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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Merge and Transwiki

• More discussion regarding whether to have a central article about code pages on Wikipedia, or to transwiki it to some subpage of wikibooks:Character_Encodings would be helpful here.

...how about both?

Would make sense, at least, to me, to have all of these pages merged into one big "DOS Code pages" article, but also include them in the wikibooks article aswell. Madeline1805 (talk) 14:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Deterministic simulation testing

Deterministic simulation testing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This term seems to only be used by a fairly small group of companies, I'm not sure the methodology is currently notable enough to warrant an article. WP:BEFORE search turns up a fair amount of results, but they mostly seem to be primary sources or unreliable blogs. I think we need more reliable secondary sources covering this topic before it can be an article.

Considering the article in its current state, I don't think it provides much value as a stub. Every current reference is only indirectly relevant, none speaks directly to the topic or includes the phrase "deterministic simulation testing". There are 2 external links, and only one uses the phrase. StereoFolic (talk) 01:38, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: There are many Internet forums that can explain this better, even on Reddit, it is explained well at the moment, not here. 190.219.101.225 (talk) 16:47, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: The article fails to establish general notability as per WP:GNG and requires improvement in formatting. Furthermore, the content appears to be more suitable for a blog or website rather than a Wikipedia article, as it can be commonly found on such platforms. As such, it does not meet Wikipedia's standards for inclusion seeDev ClassThanks for your contributions to the sum of all knowledge. Royalesignature (talk). 02:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

  _{Sorry, that last sentence kinda gave off a bit of snark, at the very least to me.}

  This article would make sense to merge into a greater article, but I'm not sure which, so I'll hold my vote until then. Madeline1805 (talk) 14:22, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Mangral

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Article is entirely unsourced and poorly written. The underlying purpose of the article seems to be to glorify the community rather than write an encyclopaedic article. The books detailed at the bottom of the article don't seem particularly reliable either and no page numbers are provided. Ixudi (talk) 18:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment. I don't think deleting is right answer because this is a real people group. This book seems to indicate the mangral are a clan of the Dogra people. Here is some content on the people group. I'm not an expert on the people groups of Pakistan but this should either be stubified or redirected or merged under WP:ATD at the very least. Best.4meter4 (talk) 21:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I only saw this late at night. To help out, I only had time to add the above book reference given above by

4meter4. Hope other editors also chip in because it's a lengthy article that somehow ended up without any References....Ngrewal1 (talk) 02:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Draftify: For now its not ready for main space. If people want to contribute than they can do so in Draft space. Wikibear47 (talk) 15:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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No idea why outsiders having zero knowledge about the tribe and it's people are so worried about "references" when those are already mentioned, not to mention someone entionedua reference classifying us s Dogras (whofare also Rajputs) rom a book published in 2008 kek RajaAtiqMangral (talk) 00:22, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

No idea why outsiders having zero knowledge about the tribe and it's people are so worried about "references" when those are already mentioned, not to mention someone gave a reference classifying us as Dogras (who are also Rajputs mind you) from a book published in 2008 kek* RajaAtiqMangral (talk) 00:23, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: This has been tagged since 2011 with no changes to the sourcing, delete it and be done with it. These articles with no sourcing don't help build trust in Wikipedia projects. Draftifying this when it's been tagged since 2011 won't help it. Oaktree b (talk) 01:53, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

  Comment, I've seen articles tagged 2008, 2006, and earlier. I don't see how your point stands. Madeline1805 (talk) 14:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Arms trade

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Before people go nuts about this, I am AfDing the disambiguation page at this location and not the concept of "arms trade". It seems like the clear and obvious primary topic for a redirect is arms industry as arms trafficking/weapon smuggling is usually called... well, that. Alternatively, if the page is independently notable, WP:REDLINK applies and it should be opened up to article creation. Either way, a DAB page does not belong here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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  Yes, we should redirect Arms trade->Arms industry, Arms industry is clearly the primary topic. according to pageviews I think putting Small arms trade and arms trafficking in the hat notes for arms industry would suffice, although moving the existing page to Arms trade (disambiguation), and having that in the hatnotes would be fine too. I'm not sure this even needs an AFD, you could probably just withdraw the AFD and make the change! JeffUK 09:42, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

  Personally I am not sure this needs to exist at all. Small arms trade falls under WP:PTM. Arms trafficking can be in a hatnote. That's why I went for AfD rather than moving the page. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:20, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Australian Progressives

AfDs for this article:

• Articles for deletion/Australian Progressives
• Articles for deletion/Australian Progressives (2nd nomination)
• Articles for deletion/Australian Progressives (3rd nomination)

Australian Progressives (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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No inherent notability, has little notice from independent sources. No electoral success and has been de-registered by the Australian Electoral Commission for 2 years Flat Out (talk) 23:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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• I note that this is the third nomination and that the last nomination failed to reach consensus, however the article is largely unsourced and has mostly only passing mentions in independent sources. Flat Out (talk) 23:36, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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• Delete: I can only find one secondary source (already in use in the article), which is reliable and which covers the party in depth. I've just read the arguments from previous AFDs and it seems that some participants in those thought that our notability guidelines should be relaxed when it comes to minor political parties. That argument has no basis in WP:PAG. TarnishedPath^talk 08:47, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete, Dearth of reliable sources, political parties are not inherently notable. -Samoht27 (talk) 20:57, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect to List of historical political parties in Australia#Parties without representation. Regards,--Goldsztajn (talk) 02:01, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

  The party is not in that list. Redirection is not an alternative to deletion in such circumstance. TarnishedPath^talk 02:48, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

  Sigh. It is now. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 06:12, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

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Delete _{or possibly Rescope, though you could argue WP:TNT in this case}, I think that if the article has been nominated three times, but never got deleted, that speaks to me that this article doesn't meet quality guidelines. Madeline1805 (talk) 14:26, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Categories

Category:People pardoned by John Adams

• Propose merging Category:People pardoned by John Adams (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Recipients of American presidential pardons
• Propose merging Category:People pardoned by James Buchanan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Recipients of American presidential pardons
• Propose merging Category:People pardoned by Jimmy Carter (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Recipients of American presidential pardons
• Propose merging Category:People pardoned by Calvin Coolidge (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Recipients of American presidential pardons
• Propose merging Category:People pardoned by Ulysses S. Grant (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Recipients of American presidential pardons
• Propose merging Category:People pardoned by Benjamin Harrison (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Recipients of American presidential pardons
• Propose merging Category:People pardoned by Herbert Hoover (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Recipients of American presidential pardons
• Propose merging Category:People pardoned by Andrew Jackson (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Recipients of American presidential pardons
• Propose merging Category:People pardoned by Lyndon B. Johnson (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Recipients of American presidential pardons
• Propose merging Category:People pardoned by William McKinley (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Recipients of American presidential pardons
• Propose merging Category:People pardoned by Richard Nixon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Recipients of American presidential pardons
• Propose merging Category:People pardoned by James K. Polk (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Recipients of American presidential pardons
• Propose merging Category:People pardoned by Martin Van Buren (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Recipients of American presidential pardons
• Propose merging Category:People pardoned by Woodrow Wilson (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Recipients of American presidential pardons

Nominator's rationale: Each of the categories nominated has only one or two entries. _pbp 16:49, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep I like it the way it is bc (1) it makes the parent cat of presidential pardons tidier and navigable, and (2) it makes the presidents' cats more informative bc pardons is one of their constitutionally defined duties/privileges (along w naming judges etc). But whatever the community wants is cool, no big deal either way. jengod (talk) 17:17, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom, easier navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:31, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. As Jengod points out, having these categories keeps the parent category tidier. It also creates more consistency in how the category is organized. I think Category:Recipients of American presidential pardons should be a container category with the exception of non-biography articles like National Thanksgiving Turkey Presentation and Pardons for ex-Confederates. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 21:08, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete all (Listify, if wanted) - There are many acts and executive orders that a president does while performing their duties in office. See also: Powers of the president of the United States. A list would better handle this information, if anything. See List of people pardoned by George W. Bush, for example. - jc37 16:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Category:Meigs family

• Propose renaming Category:Meigs family to Category:?????

Nominator's rationale: Purge and possibly delete. A lot of the contents of this category seem to just share a common name rather than being closely related to Jonathan Meigs and Elizabeth Hamlin Meigs. ^SMason_Garrison 14:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

If you actually read the articles and go through the references you they are the same family. There are many other family categories that are similar, not sure what the angle is here? Nayyn (talk) 14:58, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

If you go through the history of these individuals they are of the same family and the locations are named after members of the same family. There are many other similar family categories such as this. I'm not sure what the angle is to delete or rename? If the category is not prominent enough, then why not AdD all of the members of the family for which it relates. Nayyn (talk) 15:00, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Category:Pornographic actors who died by suicide

• Propose deleting Category:Pornographic actors who died by suicide (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between specific acting genre and cause of death. ^SMason_Garrison 14:50, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• WP:SUBCAT
• WP:DIFFUSE

Serves these purposes for Category:Suicides by occupation

If Sucides by occupation is a relevant category than these subcategories are too. @Smasongarrison what about deleting that parent category then?

Nayyn (talk) 14:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Please review Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. I think you would do well to make a case that this intersection is defining. ^SMason_Garrison 14:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Category:Models who died by suicide

• Propose deleting Category:Models who died by suicide (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between cause of death and occupation ^SMason_Garrison 14:47, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• WP:SUBCAT
• WP:DIFFUSE

Serves these purposes for Category:Suicides by occupation

If Sucides by occupation is a relevant category than these subcategories are too. Nayyn (talk) 14:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Category:Sportspeople who died by suicide

• Propose deleting Category:Sportspeople who died by suicide (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

• Propose deleting Category:Footballers who died by suicide (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:Jockeys who died by suicide (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:Rugby players who died by suicide (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:Cricketers who died by suicide (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This category (under a slightly less nice name) was deleted in 2021, along with its subcategories, and recreated this year without discussion. I do not think there is anything new to overcome the 2021 consensus that this is a trivial intersection. PARAKANYAA (talk) 10:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

If this is your feeling, then why not move to nominate all of the categories in Category:Suicides by occupation ?

If you do not consider these categories worthy then there should not be a container category for them. As there is a container category, it is natural that people who find these categories useful / meaningful will continue to create them. Nayyn (talk) 11:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

The category is neutral, verifiable and defining. If you are unwilling to have a conversation about Category:Suicides by occupation then it does not constitute a trivial category. Nayyn (talk) 11:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete per nom. This specific intersection is also non-defining. I've bundled the nomination, @Nayyn: @PARAKANYAA:^SMason_Garrison 14:40, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• WP:SUBCAT
• WP:DIFFUSE

Serves these purposes for Category:Suicides by occupation

If Sucides by occupation is a relevant category than these subcategories are too.

Nayyn (talk) 14:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Category:Murdered sportspeople

• Propose deleting Category:Murdered sportspeople (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This category was deleted in 2021, along with its subcategories, and recreated this year without discussion. I do not think there is anything new to overcome the 2021 consensus that this is a trivial intersection. PARAKANYAA (talk) 10:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Same here @PARAKANYAA if this category is not meaningful or worthy of wikipedia, you should nominate Category:Murder victims by occupation or else these sub-categories will continue to be populated.

Wikipedia has evolved since 2021 and if the reason to delete is simply because several years there was a conversation about it, the fact the categories are being created anew means they have utility on the site.

Suggest for deletion the parent categories if they are not meaningful to the site. Nayyn (talk) 11:45, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete per nom. This specific intersection is non-defining. ^SMason_Garrison 14:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

If this is "non-defining" then would it not apply to all in Category:Murder victims by occupation @Smasongarrison? Nayyn (talk) 14:39, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Otherstuffexists is not a good argument. You're better off demonstrating that this intersection is defining. ^SMason_Garrison 14:42, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:09, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Category:NA-Class articles

• Propose deleting Category:NA-Class articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: The pages in this category and all its subcategories seem to be largely automatically and incorrectly tagged, and I doubt we need it (whether named "articles" or "pages"). Something like Talk:Lists of animated feature films is now automatically a NA-class article of high importance, when in reality it should be an unassessed class article of high importance. Something like Talk:"Bob" is automatically put into "NA-class" when it should be in "Redirect class". The whole NA-class tree seems to be a giant mistake with many tens of thousands of pages. Fram (talk) 08:01, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Category:Book leaks

• Propose deleting Category:Book leaks (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:NONDEF. There aren't any articles specifically about leaks in this category, unlike the parent category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:45, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete per nom^SMason_Garrison 14:42, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Category:NBA Cup–winning players

• Propose renaming Category:NBA Cup–winning players to Category:NBA Cup-winning players

Nominator's rationale: Incorrect English. It should be Cup-winning. We would always use a hyphen for compound words, while an ndash is used to separate phrases. Plus even if it were separate phrases an ndash would require spaces on either side. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Audiovisual introductions

• Propose merging Category: Audiovisual introductions in the 1st millennium BC to Category:1st-millennium BC introductions
• Propose merging Category: Audiovisual introductions in the 15th century to Category:15th-century introductions
• Propose merging Category: Audiovisual introductions in 1502 to Category:1502 introductions
• Propose merging Category: Audiovisual introductions in 1746 to Category:1746 introductions
• Propose merging Category: Audiovisual introductions in 1790 to Category:1790 introductions

Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated single-article categories, unhelpful for navigation. A second merge target isn't really necessary, two articles are already in Category:Precursors of film and for the other articles it is quite a stretch to say that they are about audiovisual technology. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Category:Jewish white nationalists

• Propose deleting Category:Jewish white nationalists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: I don't believe this is a defining characteristic. Searching for the term brings up the category and news articles about white nationalism and anti-semitism, not Jews who support white nationalism. There are BLP concerns too with the living people included in the category. Traumnovelle (talk) 02:21, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete in principle, but what should be done about the child category Category:Neo-Nazis of Jewish descent ? ^SMason_Garrison 14:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Redirects

Hurricane Katrina (lists)

• Hurricane Katrina (lists) → Hurricane Katrina  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Possibly redundant with the "lists", at least should be retargeted A1Cafel (talk) 15:24, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Forcible confinement

• Forcible confinement → Solitary confinement  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 December 23 § Forcible confinement – delete

Title is not exclusive to the target, and was previously deleted at RfD in 2019 for the same reason when it targeted kidnapping. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Failed star

• Failed star → Brown dwarf  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

0: It's rude to the brown dwarves using wikipedia 1: This phrase is never mentioned anywhere in the text of the article, 2: I'm not too convinced if this is even a plausible redirect because this only had 4 pageviews in the last 30 days as compared to the 19,442 of the target and 3: as @Steel1943 mentioned in https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_February_9#Failed_wannabe_star this might be potentially confusing with other stuff like a celebrity that was really popular for a short while but eventually fell thanks to time User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 11:42, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Hurricane Katrina (contents)

• Hurricane Katrina (contents) → Hurricane Katrina  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redundant redirect, I don't think adding "contents" as redirect is useful A1Cafel (talk) 11:25, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete The "article" hidden in contexts was a TOC of articles related to Katrina User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:17, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Flag of North Yemen

• Flag of North Yemen → Flag of Yemen  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Ill make it an article just like how Flag of South Yemen is an article Abo Yemen✉ 11:18, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. Normally, I'd say retarget to North Yemen (which is incorrectly marked as a dab page, more on that in a moment), which has a picture of the flag. It's short enough to accommodate information about the flag there, and if a spinout is warranted, that can happen without discussion here. However, I notice that the nominator has recently converted it from a dab page to an article (without removing the dab template or adding any sources). I don't know a thing about the history of the region and have no idea if this was reasonable or not. I'd encourage others that might to take a closer look. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

If you make it an article, I'd say delete. CheeseyHead (talk) 02:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

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Moot. It being an article now, this is no longer an RfD matter but (if the condition doesn't improve) a WP:AFD or WP:SPEEDY or WP:PROD matter.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Under which title is the article? Jay 💬 16:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep I am not sure what article User:SMcCandlish is referring to, but there is relevant content at the current target. I see no reason to delete. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Specialization in bees

• Specialization in bees → Bee  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

is there a chance of it being used to refer to some other type of specialization, like beekeeping? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:48, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Melittology? That's what came to my mind when I saw this nomination. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 16:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Retarget to worker bee unless a better target is found- I would think that someone searching for this is looking for a list of different bee castes... and it looks like worker bee has that information. I'm rather surprised the main bee article doesn't have it, and that there isn't an article entitled bee castes. Fieari (talk) 07:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Disambiguate. Like Mx. Granger, my first though was "scientific specialization in bees", which apparently is called Melittology. However, I'm fairly interested in biology, and Fieari had a totally different response. I think a WP:DAB is possible. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 12:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment: My first assumption was also melittology, though I can also see the other ideas. Perhaps a DAB is possible? Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 21:45, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Retarget to Polyethism or Task allocation and partitioning in social insects. Just plain Bill (talk) 11:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

TikTok Rizz Party

• TikTok Rizz Party → Brain rot  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at the current target. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:33, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, I have added content to the target regarding the redirect. jolielover♥talk 04:45, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  What are you actually opposing? No specific proposal has been made; merely that this has been brought up for discussion. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Specify to Brain rot#Origin and usage due to @Jolielover's additions Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  Specify? Do you mean "refine"? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  I use specify as I find it slightly clearer Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:38, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete and revert the above addition as trivial. Even without the revert, there's no actual information about this, merely a passing mention. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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BlueSky

• BlueSky → Blue Sky  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Arguing that BlueSky should be a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to Bluesky (BlueSky → Blue Sky) given a lot of people think the S is capitalized. The Wikinav data at the current DAB page target shows that clearly the majority of users expect to navigate to the social media platform. Raladic (talk) 20:01, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep as is Blue sky also redirects to the dab, and well, the general concept of the sky being blue has a much greater long-term significance than a social media platform. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

  That's a whole space in between though, which is why it's fine to have Blue sky redirect to the DAB page. Whereas BlueSky is just alternate capitalization to Bluesky, which is obviously the WP:PTOPIC as it is un-disambiguated. Navigation is there to help the user and likely many users accidentally think the social media platform is using a capitalized S, which is why they're landing on the DAB instead of the target as the DABs navigation shows. This redirect was only just created 4 months ago by @Bobby Cohn, so I think just pointing it straight to the likely target as alternative capitalization makes sense. Raladic (talk) 22:02, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

  I'm indifferent. If I recall, in creating the redirect, I was surprised (probably like many of our readers) to find out the social media company did not use CamelCase, but given the length of the dab page wasn't sure if it was determinative enough to claim it for the company. That is to say I would not be opposed to the proposed redirect as nominated, with the {{R from incorrect capitalisation}}. I think whatever would aid our readers the most, but with that said, I'm not sure the wikinav results can confirm that the majority are landing on the page from the redirect with the intention on getting to the social media company, unless there's a way to tell that. Bobby Cohn (talk) 14:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to the social media, as that's by far and away the "BlueSky" they want to read about the most for now. Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 02:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. Beware recentism. The social network has existed for about two years and, despite its trendiness, is not actually that big in the grand scheme of social networks. It has, for sure, enough significance to win out as the primary topic for Bluesky over Bluesky, Alberta and Bluesky Formation. But asserting it as the primary topic for a miscapitalization is quite another thing, especially when there are things on the DAB page that actually are capped that way, namely BlueSky Software and BlueSky Charter School.
  However, we can emphasize the social network a bit more, by starting the DAB with "Bluesky is a social media platform. Blue Sky, BlueSky or Bluesky may also refer to...". -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 03:16, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

  As I pointed out above, the redirect is newer than the company, so it's hard to argue that there's recentism with regards to keeping it to the DAB. Raladic (talk) 03:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

  The fact that someone only recently thought to make the redirect has no bearing on whether a retarget would be recentist. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 03:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

  Fair enough, that's why I brought it to RfD as I wasn't sure if I should do it boldly, so I wanted more input from other editors. Raladic (talk) 03:35, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep as DAB - I don't believe that the social network has firmly established WP:PTOPIC status over everything else at the disambiguation page. Fieari (talk) 23:19, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep for now per Tamzin. If Bluesky proves to have enduring significance then we can revisit. – Joe (talk) 10:26, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Conspiracism

• Conspiracism → Conspiracy theory#Conspiracism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Target section vanished.

67.209.128.24 (talk) 17:05, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

 Comment: There is no consensus on this nomination for too long. Suggesting relisting. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 17:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

It's only been 24 hours. Discussions typically stand for 7 days before being relisted. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Remove section target, or possibly re-refine - I can't find the edit where the specific section marker "Conspiracism" was removed, but from scanning the article, I would bet that it was reworded to the "conspiracy ideation" phrasing that appears throughout the article, and thus the information is still all here. We could refine to the Conspiracy theory#Psychology or Conspiracy theory#Sociology sections, but the entire article does kinda talk about this, so my first choice would actually be to just remove the section target altogether and leave it just targeted at the article as a whole. Fieari (talk) 23:46, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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YV (rapper)

• YV (rapper) → Zone 4 Inc.  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

We only have a passing mention of him in the target, and this redirect misleads potential YV fans into thinking we have more about him than we actually do Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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R&B

• R&B → Rhythm and blues  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Retarget to Contemporary R&B.

As said on talk page, absolutely barely any articles say "Contemporary R&B" when referring to "Contemporary R&B" they just say "R&B". Having this re-direct stops lots of frustration of people redirecting to the Rhythm and Blues genre when it is a Contemporary R&B song. Please see here on how Contemporary R&B is mentioned, it's the modern day now and Contemporary R&B has gained far more notability and is now the WP:COMMONNAME and look at most Contemporary R&B article you'll notice most publications simply wrote "R&B" when citing Contemporary R&B.Eg HotNewHipHop,Billboard,The Guardian.This0k (talk) 21:55, 10 December 2024 (UTC)} WP:SOCKSTRIKE — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment – there are 10,000 links to this redirect so a retarget or conversion into a disambiguation page should be made very carefully. Nevertheless, I believe that a disambiguation page between these two genres is probably ideal. J947 ‡ ^edits 23:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Support A conversion into a disambiguation page, when done carefully, is fine with me.

  This0k (talk) 00:40, 11 December 2024 (UTC) (your nomination is your "vote" Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:04, 18 December 2024 (UTC))

This can't have one target. The nom's propose change will also frustrate people; also, their rationale seems partially based on WP:RECENTISM. I will draft a disambiguation page. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 00:44, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate per above. मल्ल (talk) 18:29, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• The nominator, User:This0k, has been blocked as a sock. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:06, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Speedy close as the nominator has been blocked as a sockpuppet, per WP:DENY. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:07, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

  As there are substantial !votes by editors who are not sockpuppets, I'm not going to speedy close it. I've struck one of the sock's comments, while Liz has struck the other. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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New Square

• New Square → New Square, New York  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The current target is undoubtedly the overwhelming favourite for readers using this term, over New Square, West Bromwich, New Square, Almaty, New Square Publications, and Lincoln's_Inn#New_Square_Lawn. A slew of translations of this term into other languages are encyclopaedic things: Plaza Nueva, Praça Nova, Nytorv, and Plac Nowy.

Disambiguation in some form is required: the question is whether this disambiguation should be carried out at New Square or at New Square (disambiguation). I lean towards the former. J947 ‡ ^edits 03:08, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:39, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep with a hatnote to new page New Square (disambiguation). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:57, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Disambiguate. The location (until 2022) of the Kazakh presidential palace seems like it's reasonably important enough in its own right that there isn't an obvious WP:PTOPIC here, so the primary title should be a dab. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 07:39, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Finario

• Finario → The Bonnie Lass o' Fyvie  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete as ambiguous with Damian of Finario and Battista dei Giudici. These three minor details do not between them warrant a disambiguation page, and search results will do the job quicker and more simply than hatnotes. J947 ‡ ^edits 02:57, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep or disambiguate The other two are "surname-type" uses, while the current target is an alternate name. If kept, we can hatnote the two people pointed out by the nom -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:00, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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Offensive content in YouTube

• Offensive content in YouTube → YouTube moderation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There might be a few places this could redirect to, including YouTube and YouTube moderation. I've recently declined a speedy request on the basis that this is probably a useful redirect title, though I do want to hear other opinions on which way the best way forward. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Penthouse Suite

• Penthouse Suite → Syd Dale  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Whilst obviously quite similar to penthouse apartment, I believe there's sufficient fuel to disambiguate this WP:DIFFCAPS-differentiated term – between "The Penthouse Suite" at the current target, the Lord T & Eloise song in the album Aristocrunk, the James Taylor Quartet album, and the radio station mentioned in passing at Hotel Baker. J947 ‡ ^edits 02:43, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:40, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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Trade Fair Grounds

• Trade Fair Grounds → Dag Hammarskjöld Stadium  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is ambiguous. Google Maps leads me to Zambia (the current target), Zimbabwe, and Malawi. Mentions on Wikipedia include Tanzania, Malta, India, and various German cities.

Disambiguate appears to be the safe bet in this instance, but there are a few complicating factors. While this is a common appendix to the name of a venue, in many cases it is a PTM. Additionally, this is a very frequent second name for a venue that we may or may not list as an alternative name on the relevant article. In general, this term varies between being a description and a genuine name for a place, meaning that a dab page that covers everything is near impossible. There are also trade show, Fairground, and the redirect Trade Fair Ground to be aware of. J947 ‡ ^edits 02:16, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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Battle of Simara (1945)

• Battle of Simara (1945) → Battle of Leyte Gulf#Battle of the Sibuyan Sea (24 October 1944)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Simara" not mentioned anywhere at target, and the battle described at the target took place in 1944. There is a battle described at Corcuera#Modern history to which this may refer, but the term isn't used there either. Unless there is evidence this is a term in use, the fact this is disambiguated and the base name Battle of Simara does not currently exist suggests deletion may be best. Mdewman6 (talk) 03:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

• Should be Battle off Samar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Telecineguy (talk • contribs) — Preceding undated comment added 20:26, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

That was part of Leyte Gulf and took place in October 1944, not 1945. Mdewman6 (talk) 08:46, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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Wang Qingyun

• Wang Qingyun → Chinese Figure Skating Championships#Ladies  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No point in this redirect, her name is mentioned only twice here in a table. but she is also mentioned as a competitor/medalist in few other articles but none have enough content to anchor a redirect. Sports2021 (talk) 00:02, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate This is the name of a 9th-century Chinese general Wang Qingyun (Northern Wei) (王慶雲) who fought Erzhu Tianguang, he is covered at Emperor Xiaozhuang of Northern Wei <make the emperor the bluelink>; a 19th-century provincial official Wang Qingyun (Qing Dynasty) (王慶雲; 1798-1862) who was Viceroy of Sichuan and Viceroy of Liangguang and ancestor of Wang Shizhen (physician) <make the physician the bluelink>; a para-skier listed at China at the 2022 Winter Paralympics; Wang Qingyun (王青雲) a fictional character from TV show The Unforgettable Memory; Wang Qingyun (王青云) 21st century political commissar at the Zhengzhou Joint Logistics Support Center; Wang Qingyun (skater) (王青雲) the skater should use the bluelink Chinese Figure Skating Championships since that's the only article where she has won anything, bronze medals -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment When disambiguating, this current redirect page should be renamed to Wang Qingyun (skater), for a redirect to be left behind that can be used as a target by WikiData; this would also preserve the AfD outcome pointed out by Hey man im josh -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 15:19, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Qingyun Wang should be bundled into this. It is the same person, with Western name order -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:43, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This was redirected here back in July as the result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wang Qingyun (2nd nomination). Hey man im josh (talk) 13:57, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  Delete. I nominated the original article for deletion, and I still maintain that it should have been deleted outright. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:45, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

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Dionian(ism)

• Dionian → Uranus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Dionism → Homosexuality  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Dionian is a translation of wikt:Dioning (heterosexual). It used to be mentioned in Uranian (sexuality), along with several terms coined by Karl. Apollonian and Dionysian could mention dionism, or Dionysus. If this means male homosexuality, then gay men? Or something similar to Achillean. See Terminology of homosexuality. --MikutoH ^talk! 02:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Retarget "Dionian" to Uranian (sexuality), where it is still mentioned. Also per a Google Books search. – Michael Aurel (talk) 11:09, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment. I'm a little less certain about "Dionism". "Dionysiac" is the common adjective for Dionysus, and the noun "Dionysism" is also used occasionally I believe, but I haven't heard "Dionism" used before with respect to the god, and the term seems too short to be capable of referring clearly to him. Among mythological figures, Dione's name would seem the closest to "Dionism". If a mention of "Dionism" at the page for the Nietzschean concept would be appropriate, then that would be a good target, but in the absence of such a mention, a page related to gay men would probably be the best target. – Michael Aurel (talk) 11:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

  I agree, it also reminds me of the word Odinism --MikutoH ^talk! 02:24, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

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Ecuador scuba diving

• Ecuador scuba diving → Scuba diving  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

no particular affinity with ecuador, from what i can gather. originally created as an ad cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:38, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• I would tentatively suggest that Scuba diving in Ecuador is a notable topic, but as it stands the best way for the reader to attain information on this topic is through search results; hence, delete. J947 ‡ ^edits 23:36, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  Indeed, Diving in East Timor and Diving in the Maldives already exist, and Wikipedia tends to lack articles on General Topic 1 at the best of times, so I would suggest that Diving in Ecuador is indeed notable. J947 ‡ ^edits 23:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  then i guess return to red. even if that article is created, this redirect's history needs to burn cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 23:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  I'm confused. This phrase should neither be ever linked to from mainspace or be the title of an article in the future – where does REDLINK come in? And there is never any value in deleting non-libellous page history. J947 ‡ ^edits 00:17, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

  Unless the page history is something like "scuba diving in Ecuador is the worst and anyone who does that sucks" or a copyvio there's no point to deleting User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 10:30, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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regional screwdrivers

• Irish screwdriver → Hammer  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Birmingham screwdriver → Hammer  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

two different yet similar cases. "birmingham screwdriver" is an apparently obscure uk slang for hammer, as a reference to people from birmingham being muscleheads, while "irish screwdriver" seems to be... some brand of vodka? both terms are unmentioned in the target, and results mostly gave me miscellaneous companies and actual screwdrivers cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

should note that the second one is mentioned and elaborated on in law of the instrument cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect Birmingham screwdriver → law of the instrument, as that's where the expression is mentioned, and where the reader will best be able to understand what Birmingham screwdriver means.

Delete Irish screwdriver. The only results I find referring to the "irish screwdriver" as a hammer are an urban dictionary entry and a tumblr post (though the tumblr post does point to Green, Jonathon. Casell’s Dictionary of Slang - 2nd Edition. Weidenfeld & Nicholson. 2005 as a source for the expression meaning hammer). Other than those, other mentions of "irish hammer" on google are referring to a cocktail FLIPPINGOUT (talk) 04:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Mian Page

• Mian Page → Main Page  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Vanishingly few page views per month(21) for a page that gets millions of views every week. There are a lot of people named "Mian Page", and Mediawiki already corrects for simple typos like this. Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:18, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete Implausible. KOLANO12 3 20:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete No reason why this should even exist in the first place. ThatIPEditor ^{They / Them} 21:25, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

(comment: "and Mediawiki already corrects for simple typos like this" I tested this now, it doesn't.)

Weak delete Unlike what some others are saying, I can relatively plausibly see someone accidentally transposing the I and A keys together. However, this is literally the first page you see when you open up Wikipedia we're talking about here, so people manually going to the Main Page is irrelevant here. Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete as a person can just type the right words in themselves. BarntToust 14:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, plausible type, and SOME pageviews show that it is being hit at all. No reason to delete therefore unless a newer or better target was recommended. Iljhgtn (talk) 00:37, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. I clicked Special:RandomRedirect 10 times and this redirect is more used than 8 out of the 10. It's a complete no brainer. J947 ‡ ^edits 21:48, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

  I did not understand your test. How did you get the "8 out of the 10" statistic? Jay 💬 09:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  By comparing pageviews in 2024 for those 10 redirects. I did it again: this redirect is more used than 9 out of 10 (being used as much as equally as Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn). Clearly it is well used! J947 ‡ ^edits 00:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  I still don't get it. Which 10 redirects? Can you describe your test in detail? What has Special:RandomRedirect got to do with the redirect under discussion? Jay 💬 08:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  They're 10 random redirects (that result from clicking Special:RandomRedirect, 10 times), unrelated to the one under discussion. The point is to combat the dangerous assertion that the number of pageviews that this redirect receives is in any way minimal. J947 ‡ ^edits 10:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per J947. 21 page views per month is actually awfully good. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 21:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep per pageviews (so per nom, I suppose). That the target receives a high number of views doesn't change anything. This also seems unambiguous as a search term. I don't know what someone searching this could be looking for other than the main page; I'm not seeing any people called "Mian Page" that we cover. – Michael Aurel (talk) 11:01, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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Dominic Raaab

• Dominic Raaab → Dominic Raab  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Dominic Raaaab → Dominic Raab  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Dominic Raaaaab → Dominic Raab  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Dominic Raaaaaab → Dominic Raab  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Raaab" is maybe a plausible typo, but "Raaaaaab" seems wholly unnecessary. The question is at what point should we stop elongating "Raab". 1857a (talk) 02:19, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Dicalsium Ruthenate: Ca2RuO4

• Dicalsium Ruthenate: Ca2RuO4 → Dicalsium Ruthenate  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Page was created as a spelling mistake -- "calsium" instead of "calcium". It does not seem to make sense to keep this for a newly created page. Ldm1954 (talk) 00:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Speedy delete, WP:G6, along with Dicalsium Ruthenate, which itself got moved to the proper title right away. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 00:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks, I did mean to include all the "calsium" variants. Ldm1954 (talk) 02:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Leo (kaiju)

• Leo (kaiju) → Mothra  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Same reason here: https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_8#Mothra_Leo 203.129.49.225 (talk) 10:00, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete - I've already stated this in the past discussion @203.129.49.225 has linked here, and I'll have to say this again...
  
  even if I did read those three films articles in my point of view or someone else's point of view, they'd be like "Who the hell is Leo?", and again, I'm not a Mothra expert, I'm only a Godzilla expert.
  
  If those who don't know what this IP is referring to, I'll mention this quote stated in a past discussion stated by @121.45.246.200 Mothra Leo is a fan name and its simply a rumor, besides if its a rebirth trilogy, the Mothra should be named "MOTHRA", not Leo, otherwise Toho should've changed the names of the trilogy to "Birth of Mothra Leo".

I'm just leaning for delete anyway. GojiraFan1954 (talk) 10:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Templates and Modules

Template:Only Murders in the Building

• Template:Only Murders in the Building (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant template: all links are available at the parent article Only Murders in the Building. Provides no further ease of navigation. -- Alex_21 _TALK 23:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:06, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
• Leaning towards keep for this one. Meets the WP:NENAN threshold of five articles and enables navigation between, say, season 1 and season 4, which is not possible otherwise. --woodensuperman 09:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: The template helps users to navigate throughout the various articles related to the series, and while not many articles exist as of yet, it is still useful to have.—Mjks28 (talk) 12:39, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

  What does this template provide in terms of further navigation that the parent article does not? -- Alex_21 _TALK 20:24, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

  It's always quite likely that the parent article will include all the links in a navbox, so this is not a reason to delete. Take a navbox for a band as an example. The parent article will likely include all band members and a full discography, matching the links in the navbox. However, it's when we get to the other non-parent articles that a nabox becomes a handy navigational tool. As I mention above this navbox facilitates moving between non-consecutive seasons that would not be possible directly otherwise, or from any of the seasons to the accolades article. Admittedly as this only just meets the threshold of WP:NENAN the benefit is limited, but there are far less useful navboxes out there, and at least all the links are on topic. --woodensuperman 09:52, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

  So, long answer short, it doesn't actually provide anything further in terms of navigation, for four seasons and one awards article. -- Alex_21 _TALK 10:16, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

  Yes it does, it means you can navigate between non-consecutive seasons, and from season articles to the accolades article. --woodensuperman 10:30, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

  All of which can be completed by the parent article. I asked what the template provides that the article does not. -- Alex_21 _TALK 10:41, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

  That's not a pre-requisite for a navbox. Take any comparable parent article and navbox and you will most likely find the same links on each. What navigation does {{Vikings (2013 TV series)}} provide that Vikings (TV series) does not? What navigation does {{Robert Altman}} provide that Robert Altman does not? What navigation does {{Taylor Sheridan}} provide that Taylor Sheridan does not? What navigation does {{The CW programming}} provide that List of programs broadcast by The CW does not? The point isn't about navigating from the parent article, it's about navigating quickly between the other linked articles without needing to refer to the parent article. --woodensuperman 10:53, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

  The latter three are significant navigation templates. However, I absolutely agree with the Vikings template, it's as unnecessary as this one, I'll put that on my "to look into" list. (And before I get a NENAN to that suggestion - it's an essay, a good, but not set-in-stone rule, and remember: "not everything needs a navbox".) -- Alex_21 _TALK 11:58, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

  Most navboxes which meet the WP:NENAN threshold usually get kept, sometimes navboxes with even fewer articles are kept. I've certainly nominated film director navboxes with only 3-4 entries in the past that have ended up being kept. I don't think there would be any traction trying to delete the Vikings one or any with more than 6-7 entries. --woodensuperman 12:05, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

  In fact, I'd go so far as to say that it is the larger navboxes that are more problematic. {{Vikings (2013 TV series)}} is a clear and concise navbox with succint and relevant links, meeting all of the points at WP:NAVBOX. {{The CW programming}} is too large to provide a useful navigational function, a lot of the links are not particularly relevant to each other, and we are far better served by the list for context and the category for a directory of the programming. --woodensuperman 11:00, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

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