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April 30

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(Closed) Spinosaurus, revised

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Article: Spinosaurus (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A study of newly recovered material suggests that Spinosaurus had a fin-like tail, indicating that the theropod dinosaur may have been more aquatic than previously thought. (Post)
News source(s): Nature.com, National Geographic, The New York Times, BBC Science Focus, Smithsonian, CNN.com
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 —Matthew - (talk) 21:18, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
RD? – Sca (talk) 12:27, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's better suited for ongoing first, we've had staler stories in there.--LaserLegs (talk) 15:35, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support article is GA, is updated, is being reported by WP:RS, the box is painfully stale and my six year old has informed me that this is a really big deal. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:38, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • That the box is stale is not an argument for inclusion. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 00:57, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Oh, just let me know where the list of approved arguments is and we're all set then. --LaserLegs (talk) 09:35, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • On the contrary, it is an excellent argument for inclusion. Whenever the oldest story is of no interest to readers (because anyone who is interested read it weeks ago), substituting a new one serves 3 of the 4 stated purposes of ITN. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:35, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
          • It is a rather awful argument. I agree that freshness is good, but we must also have significance. The fact that nothing is happening in the world right now (except for a really big thing we have a special box for) does not mean that a insignificant niche event somehow becomes magically notable enough for the Main Page. I agree that the staleness is frustrating, but the proper response is to look for better news stories than some dinosaur fact (not to put down palaeontology, as I have a background in biological sciences) rather than loosen our standards. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 16:54, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Already seemed pretty aquatic to me. Dimetrodon, too. But if it's later discovered to have used the fin to generate wind, I'm all aboard! InedibleHulk (talk) 03:58, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm no expert, barely a student, just my gut feeling. Reminds me of a beaver, iguana and sailboat; not exactly a marine creature, though, a casual swimmer. And yes, hunches have a poor history in paleontology, so no, don't cite me on this or illustrate anything accordingly! InedibleHulk (talk) 17:17, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
'Coolness' is not a criterion for ITN. Significance is. Whatever significance this 'discovery' – "suggesting" a fin-like tail in a species thought to have lived 100 million years ago – would be limited to a niche audience; ergo, it lacks general significance. – Sca (talk) 14:41, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it's at least a significant story within paleontology, and it did appear in mainstream news services. We're not talking about some arcane argument about phylogenetics. This study suggests that one of the best known dinosaurs looked and behaved in a different manner than we thought. There's a large audience of casual dinosaur enthusiasts throughout the world who would understand and appreciate this story. I don't think the story is fundamentally less significant than the Hugo Awards, or the World Snooker Championship, or various other things listed at ITNR. Not everything that goes into ITN is a disaster or an election.
And I don't know why you're putting "suggesting" in quotes. That's as much as we can expect from paleontology. Zagalejo^^^ 22:30, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As a reader, I was quite enthused by this news and Spinosaurus is way cooler than protozoa or elections. It was a damn good nomination! Just not blurb material, if I put my curator hat on. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:34, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please curb your enthusiasm. – Sca (talk) 16:54, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support In a busier news cycle I'd probably give this a pass. But it is interesting. It's relevance in a world dominated by politics and body counts might be debated, but I think it passes muster. The article quality is GA and yes, it would be nice to get something new up. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:44, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure if this is still up for promotion to the Main Page, but whatever happens can we please spell "theropod" correctly?--Khajidha (talk) 14:15, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Chuni Goswami

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Article: Chuni Goswami (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): India Today
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Nominator's comments: Former Indian Football Captain Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:29, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kundanika Kapadia

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Article: Kundanika Kapadia (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Indian Express
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Nominator's comments: Minor grammar corrections may be required. Please have a look. Nizil (talk) 09:13, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rishi Kapoor

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Article: Rishi Kapoor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
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Nominator's comments: Bollywood Indian Actor. A blurb might be appropriate? Sherenk1 (talk) 04:25, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

April 29

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2020 Icheon fire

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Article: 2020 Icheon fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fire at a construction site in South Korea (flag pictured) kills at least 38 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A fire at a construction site in South Korea (flag pictured) kills 38 people.
News source(s): Associated Press via WCHS-TV, The New York Times, ABC News, The Guardian, BBC, Al Jazeera, South China Morning Post
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Nominator's comments: Widely-reported mass casualty incident in a high-income country. Also notable in that it is part of a larger trend of such incidents (i.e. mass death structural fires) frequently occurring in said country over the years. – Illegitimate Barrister (talkcontribs), 14:57, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Martin Lovett

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Article: Martin Lovett (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Gramophone
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Cellist, last surviving member of the Amadeus Quartet, much more could be said but be repetitive to the quartet - I'm just listening to the interview where he said that Benjamin Britten wrote a quartet for them. Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:20, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Maj Sjöwall

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Article: Maj Sjöwall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SVT
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Nominator's comments: Swedish author. Not COVID-19. The article is very short, no bibliography at present. TompaDompa (talk) 23:33, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Trevor Cherry

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Article: Trevor Cherry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: English footballer, captained his country. Needs a significant amount of work, which I'll try to have a go at now. All cited now, I think. Black Kite (talk) 21:06, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Jānis Lūsis

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Article: Jānis Lūsis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sport 24, Teller Reporter
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Nominator's comments: Latvian athlete and IAAF Hall of Famer. Three medals in three Olympic Games and 4 golds in 4 different European Championships. The article, unfortunatelly, is a stub with a orange tag. --SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 19:36, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Giacomo dalla Torre del Tempio di Sanguinetto

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Article: Giacomo dalla Torre del Tempio di Sanguinetto (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, Reuters, The Daily Telegraph
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Equivalent to a head of state. Headed an international organization that has formal diplomatic relations with 110 countries. Bloom6132 (talk) 17:56, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Alexander Fernando

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Article: Alexander Fernando (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DailyNews.lk
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Nominator's comments: Sri Lankan actor. - Indefensible (talk) 15:17, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Irrfan Khan

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Article: Irrfan Khan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: I will work on it once activity subsides, if necessary. I don't know if this is blurbworthy; it surprised me but I don't follow personal lives of celebrities. Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:05, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Denis Goldberg

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Article: Denis Goldberg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ENCA, The Guardian, BBC, New York Times
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: South African activist, anti-Apartheid campaigner, imprisoned on Robben Island with Nelson Mandela after the Rivonia Trial. --Elinor.Dashwood (talk) 12:00, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

April 28

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(Posted) RD: Michael Robinson

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Article: Michael Robinson (footballer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: Former Republic of Ireland and Liverpool footballer, cancer Joseywales1961 (talk) 12:23, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lynn Harrell

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Article: Lynn Harrell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.dallasnews.com/arts-entertainment/performing-arts/2020/04/28/renowned-cellist-lynn-harrell-with-dallas-roots-dies-at-age-76/
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Nominator's comments: Renowned American cellist. Needs a lot of work on references. Zingarese talk · contribs 02:04, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

April 27

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(Stale) RD: Marty Smith

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Article: Marty Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo News, CNN, NY Post
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American "legendary motocross" racer. --SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 19:20, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

(Stale) RD: Mohammad Shariff

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Article: Mohammad Shariff (admiral) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
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Nominator's comments: Pakistani military commander. - Indefensible (talk) 17:27, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ramon Jimenez Jr.

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Article: Ramon Jimenez Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Manila Bulletin
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Nominator's comments: Filipino businessman & politician. - Indefensible (talk) 16:34, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

April 26

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(Posted) RD: Donald S. Gann

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Article: Donald S. Gann (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Baltimore Sun
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Nominator's comments: Trauma surgeon and professor. Death announced on this date (died February 3) TJMSmith (talk) 13:29, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: James B. Adams

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Article: James B. Adams (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Texas DPS
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Nominator's comments: Associate Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Death announced on this date. - Indefensible (talk) 04:01, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Marcel Ospel

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Article: Marcel Ospel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Financial Times, Yahoo!, Bloomberg, Nasdaq, Malay Mail, SWI
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Nominator's comments: Swiss businessman (head of UBS). - Indefensible (talk) 19:00, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gideon Patt

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Article: Gideon Patt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Jerusalem Post
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Israeli politician. - Indefensible (talk) 18:50, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Erin Babcock

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Article: Erin Babcock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Edmonton Journal
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Nominator's comments: Canadian politician. - Indefensible (talk) 04:35, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Alan Abel

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Article: Alan Abel (musician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Philadelphia Inquirer, WRTI, BroadwayWorld
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Nominator's comments: American musician. Press articles have been a couple days late. COVID. - Indefensible (talk) 22:06, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Marino Casem

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Article: Marino Casem (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Advocate, Mississippi Today
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Nominator's comments: American sports coach. - Indefensible (talk) 16:44, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Zarina Hashmi

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Article: Zarina (artist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Scroll.in, The Daily Star, Hindustan Times
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Nominator's comments: Indian American artist. - Indefensible (talk) 04:58, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Yevgeny Yuryev

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Article: Yevgeny Yuryev (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tolyatti News (Russian)
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Nominator's comments: Russian military officer & politician. New article, but seems to meet the quality requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 04:53, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gunnar Seijbold

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Article: Gunnar Seijbold (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1], [2]
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Article updated
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 BabbaQ (talk) 23:34, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak support fairly well sourced if it is long enough for RD Joseywales1961 (talk) 13:15, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose 1240 bytes of prose, criteria I usually see for non-stub status is >1500 bytes. The article was created the 26th, and I am unfamiliar with the notability requirements for photographers (I know GNG, but the citations do not have published dates, so I do not know if they are all obituaries which may mean article does not meet notability requirements; I don't have the time to go through them all right now). Removing ready tag, would like an article expansion and someone that has more time to analyze to comment on notability. Kees08 (Talk) 17:14, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    The time limit issue is not an issue the last article is from 23 April. I have expanded the article. The sources are good.BabbaQ (talk) 17:52, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Davidgoodheart: can perhaps give some insight.BabbaQ (talk) 18:02, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Per Olov Enquist

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Article: Per Olov Enquist (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dagens Nyheter
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Nominator's comments: Awarded and recognized Swedish author. Gumruch (talk) 11:55, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: James M. Beggs

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Article: James M. Beggs (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NASA Release, Washington Post
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Nominator's comments: Former NASA Administrator. Death happened on April 23, announced by NASA on April 25. This is my first nomination, feel free to move it to April 23 if it is more appropriate. The article is in quite a state right now, I will do major improvements. (UPDATE: The article is now adequate, IMO.) – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 06:36, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ricardo Brennand

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Article: Ricardo Brennand (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Correio Braziliense
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Businessman and art collector who founded the Ricardo Brennand Institute museum in Recife. Died today from COVID-19. —NoMoreHeroes (talk) 20:53, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Reported death of Kim Jong-un

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Article: Kim Jong-un (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: North Korean Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un dies after a failed heart surgery. (Post)
News source(s): New York Post, TMZ
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Nominator's comments: This can be closed (or I will withdraw) if it turns out to be untrue, but this would certainly be newsworthy if it is indeed correct. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:16, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Grandma Lee

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Article: Grandma Lee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People
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Nominator's comments: Comedian who began career in her 60s, gained acclaim on America's Got Talent. —Bagumba (talk) 18:02, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) COVID-19 deaths in the US surpass 50,000

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Article: 2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: More than 50,000 people have now died in the United States from COVID-19, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ According to data from Johns Hopkins University, more than 50,000 people have now died in the United States from COVID-19.
Alternative blurb II: More than 50,000 people have now died in the United States from COVID-19, according to data from Johns Hopkins University, representing more than a quarter of total worldwide deaths.
News source(s): BBC, Washington Post, The Guardian, USA Today, TheHill, El País (in Spanish), RTVE (in Spanish), Berliner Morgenpost (in German), Stern (in German), Le Figaro (in French), Europe1 (in French)
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 Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 20:37, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb as the target article is not present in either. Additionally, I don't think a "total deaths" blurb will be necessary unless we are looking at worldwide numbers, as Wikipedia is not US-centered. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 20:42, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose good faith nom. This is an arbitrary milestone and people are dying all over the world. These developments are adequately covered in the various links within our COVID-19 template. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:45, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Ad Orientem: worth noting this is front page news around the world currently, because the death toll is so much greater than every other country (maybe this should be included in the blurb in fairness) - I'm a Brit and saw it initially on the BBC, but it's being covered as well on the front page of RTVE's website as well as El País etc. It's not just a US news story by any means, otherwise I wouldn't have seen it at all - though I appreciate your point. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 21:01, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose posting such a benchmark for any single country; perhaps a worldwide figure. 331dot (talk) 20:57, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Yes, it's a worldwide phenomenon, but the U.S. is also the first country to hit this number of deaths, and accounts for a quarter of deaths worldwide. BD2412 T 21:05, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I've added altblurb2 here with a worldwide contextualisation of just how significant this figure is in international terms. As mentioned above, the figure is being reported on the front pages internationally - I wouldn't have heard about it at all otherwise. Here in Europe, we're used to hearing about how bad the situation is in Italy and Spain, so these figures are really quite shocking. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 21:09, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Country with bigger population has more deaths. You could equally make a case for blurbing Belgium, with the highest death toll per capita of any heavily populated country (four times higher than the USA). Black Kite (talk) 21:58, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Black Kite: The US population makes up under 5% of the global population, yet accounts for more than 25% of all COVID-19 deaths worldwide now. I don't think this argument really fits. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 22:00, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes, but the reason for that particular statistic is not really because the US figures are ridiculously high per capita, but because there are many heavily populated countries (i.e. most of South America, India) with very small death tolls, plus dubious (at best) data from China. Black Kite (talk) 22:09, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • @Black Kite: An argument against the validity of the statistics is a question for somewhere other than Wikipedia; reliable sources show the statistics to be what they are. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 22:20, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
          • OK, but you could equally say that the UK has 1% of the world's population, but 10% of the deaths - a far higher death rate. Is one statistic more notable than the other? Plus we're here for the long run - do we post to ITN every time a country gets to an artibrary figure? - the UK will probably get to 20K tomorrow, and that will be covered in plenty of reliable sources too. Black Kite (talk) 23:31, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Tragic, but why pick out an arbitrary threshold in one particular country? There have been almost 200,000 deaths worldwide. Modest Genius talk 22:02, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the highest death toll of any country brings notability, but it's an arbitrary threshold and we have the huge infobox already. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:19, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is a worldwide event, focusing on any single country for ITN is completely inappropriate. I would be willing to support - if it got there - a worldwide death toll hitting 1M (based on WHO numbers). --Masem (t) 23:41, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose we posted the Olympics postponement, but for pretty much everything else there's the infobox. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 03:07, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait for a worldwide figure - has the global total hit 100k? RIP. Kingsif (talk) 05:20, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is like posting the half time score in a football match as it happens. Sure, the US is doing tremendously, but it's just the overtaking of an arbitrary number. HiLo48 (talk) 05:29, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Lynn Faulds Wood

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Article: Lynn Faulds Wood (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs work. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 14:15, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

April 23

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Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports

(Posted) RD: Kumiko Okae

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Article: Kumiko Okae (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Japan Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Japanese actress, voice actress and television presenter. Article is on short side, but just past stub. COVID-19 related. TJMSmith (talk) 04:39, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Fred the Godson

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Article: Fred the Godson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American DJ and rapper from the Bronx. COVID-19 related. TJMSmith (talk) 01:27, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Norbert Blüm

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Article: Norbert Blüm (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Berlin Spectator, Medium
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German politician. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:15, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fknisel should also be mentioned. Grimes2 (talk) 20:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

April 22

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Health and environment

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(Posted) RD: Jimmy Goodfellow

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Article: Jimmy Goodfellow (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English footballer and football manager. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:25, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

April 21

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(Posted) RD: Donald Kennedy

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Article: Donald Kennedy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stanford
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: FDA Commissioner, Stanford University President, Science Editor-in-Chief. COVID. - Indefensible (talk) 05:41, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Sir John Houghton

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Article: John T. Houghton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Noted climate scientist, co-chair of IPCC which received Nobel Peace Prize in 2007. 2A00:23C5:5082:6101:3DAA:1C90:914B:87E5 (talk) 20:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Rudratej Singh

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Article: Rudratej Singh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): India.com, The Telegraph
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian businessman. - Indefensible (talk) 02:48, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Tom Lester

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Article: Tom Lester (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People, Variety
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American actor. - Indefensible (talk) 02:38, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Noureddine Diwa

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Article: Noureddine Diwa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death announced on this date. Short article, but uses all the online sources available. French Wiki article has more content, but not well sourced which is why I haven't added it Joseph2302 (talk) 09:25, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Ronan O'Rahilly

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Article: Ronan O'Rahilly (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Radio Caroline founder The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:16, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Ramos v. Louisiana

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Article: Ramos v. Louisiana (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Ramos v. Louisiana, the United States Supreme Court rules 6-3 that criminal convictions require a unanimous decision by the jury. (Post)
News source(s): (Reuters), LA Times
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Article might need some improvement, but it is a big court case in the US. Elijahandskip (talk) 23:14, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It doesn’t seem earth-shattering to me; it just requires two states to follow what the other 48 are already doing. P-K3 (talk) 23:38, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, I think the effects on criminal law are significant as it's enshrining a fundamental principle as opposed to merely "yeah, it's the law of the land in almost all of America, except when it isn't." However, given the messy verdict the article needs to be expanded to explain why the justices !voted the way they did. -- King of 23:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Having expanded the article, the decision affects all of 2 states (Oregon and Louisiana), and even then, only will cause review of OR's and a portion of Louisiana before 2019 (LA had amended its constitution for unanimous jury convictions now). All other states had cases of unanimous convictions on the books long before this. It is a landmark case in US law, as it is another incorporated Bill of Rights against the states, but its impact is minor relative to the big picture that it is not ITN appropriate as it mostly affirms the status quo. --Masem (t) 00:04, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Milestone court case that has everlasting effects on the United States' entire criminal justice system. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 00:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem, and not seeing this "in the news". --LaserLegs (talk) 00:54, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's definitely in the news, its not hard to find coverage, just that its net effect has little change on most of the US , much less the rest of the world. --Masem (t) 01:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose as someone who's personally interested in this, this is nominally a big deal that overturns a precedent from the 1970s, the "two states" thing notwithstanding. Having said that, I'm not sure if this reaches the level for a blurb that is expected of court cases that aren't directly notable due to the persons involved. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 01:18, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support This case is a rare one, because it makes formal changes to criminal cases; but I take the point most states had already moved in this direction. Nonetheless, it prevents states from exercising their own discretion as to proceedings in their own territory, and it prevents a (granted small) amount of venue shopping. Added LA Times source to the nomination.130.233.3.157 (talk) 06:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose hyperlocalised minor amendment. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 07:07, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A key decision in the question of states' rights vs federal rights, which strikes at the heart of constitutional law as it applies to the criminal law system. (It might be difficult to appreciate its scope from within countries which have a stronger federal system of government -- which the U.S. emphatically does not. The best way currently to appreciate the differences is to look at the vast differences in COVID-19 governmental response between states -- inconceivable in most European and N/S American countries -- and to look at how reviled Obama was for centralizing response to swine flu and Ebola a few years earlier. The battle cry of "states' rights" has not tempered much since the U.S. Civil War.) Essentially, this decision tackles the question of the extent to which states have the ability to interpret the U.S. constitution (see Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution). It is in that sense specifically that the wider ramifications make this decision notable, by changing common practice to federal dictum. Although this does fall within the wider spectrum of Supreme Court cases (after the state courts were given the right to hold jury trials) which have generally determined that Bill of Rights amendments (ie. federal constitutional rights) apply to state trials, very few decisions in this millennium have had comparable weight. (Most of this was ironed out in the 1970s civil rights trials or earlier). Certainly none have had equivalent weight in both the legal sphere and public perception. The right to trial by jury is dear to American hearts. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 09:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Some non-US interest I think. Where I'm from (England) 10-2 is sufficient and I wasn't aware of the US situation. Nigej (talk) 10:01, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Local issue with no clear significance.– Ammarpad (talk) 11:01, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Too local, too minor. - SchroCat (talk) 11:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Minor import in the context of general U.S. jurisprudence. – Sca (talk) 12:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - A handful of judges make a decision that affects a subsection of a subsection of one nation's population. Definitively parochial.--WaltCip (talk) 12:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is prime for a DYK which I plan to sumbit (if no one else does). --Masem (t) 15:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, as this changes an obscure legal point in only state-level courts in Oregon, and historical cases in Louisiana. Whilst some convictions will now be overturned or require a re-trial, that does not seem significant enough to merit an ITN blurb. The article has nothing on implications. I agree it would make a good DYK entry and is new enough. Modest Genius talk 15:34, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Price of oil is negative

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Article: Price of oil (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The price of oil becomes negative in the US. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The price of oil in the US becomes negative for the first time in history
News source(s): CNN, NYT
Credits:
Article updated

Price of oil just became negative in the US. That's a giant abnormality, as instead of a commodity, "black gold" is a liability/toxic asset. CNN, NYT. 2601:602:9200:1310:31C4:B759:FF29:594C (talk) 22:43, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As with the previous stories on the market turndown, we should wait for a trend. If this lasts for a few days, that might be an issue to post, but a daily blip in a financial market should not be an ITN as proven out from before. --Masem (t) 22:46, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
But NEGATIVE prices is an extreme aberration. It's like having news of a large asteroid with uncertain orbit being predicted to hit Earth, even though later orbit measurements proves "just miss" status. Difference is that this has not happened on the NY Mercantile Exchange since its inception in 1983. 2601:602:9200:1310:31C4:B759:FF29:594C (talk) 22:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We tend to judge blurbs here, which means you have to have one first. Most of the ideas I have would be greeted with either "trivial!" or "Coronovirus 'impacts' cover this." GreatCaesarsGhost 22:59, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Again, there's blips in markets. The media jumps at those, we are looking at the larger picutre. A sustained negative price would be something. But even with that, I would expect a more narrow focus article on why it got to negative like this (is this an extension of the russia-opec price war earlier? is this COVID related? etc.) --Masem (t) 00:05, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose this is one specific type of oil (West Texas Intermediate) for a specific futures contract (May delivery in Oklahoma, and today was the last day trading was allowed for this contract). All the other major oil indices are still positive. Juxlos (talk) 00:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Change to Weak Support based on media coverage. Juxlos (talk) 05:17, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support big deal in business news today, article is decent. Weak because of the one sentence update and because the target it "proseline-y" --LaserLegs (talk) 00:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, this is far crazier than a big one-day drop in stock indices which we routinely post. Needs expansion though. -- King of 02:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A huge deal and a milestone on the way towards severe economic downturn. It's not just the government anymore; private companies are willing to pay their customers to stay in business. Contra Juxlos above, this did not just impact WTI; the majority of US-domestic crude went negative. WTI is just the "benchmark" which is reported in the popular press; TX sour was even more negative at ca. -50USD/bbl.130.233.3.157 (talk) 06:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Arguably, a negative price on a core commodity rather undermines the entire concept of industry development, challenging a few other dearly held economic beliefs in the process. (And the prize for the best-timed single commodity trade war ever goes to ... Russia and Saudi Arabia!) No question that the issue has been exacerbated by a sudden sharp drop both in discretionary spending and in demand due to COVID-19 (both possibly ongoing: no job or perma-home job leads to a sharp reduction in travel and industry electricity use, and there are already fewer heating days each year) , but that should not make a difference to its ITN notability. As one political cartoonist put it: such cheap gas prices ... and nowhere to drive. That kind of death spiral can be hard to escape, to the point that the phrase "economic black hole" comes to mind. Time to review some of the patterns of the Great Depression; it took a rather large war to fully lift us out of that one, and the emergence of the military industrial complex to maintain a new western pattern of war = prosperity. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 09:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not the price of oil per se that's gone negative, but the price of contracts for delivery in the near future. Basically, traders are saying "I'll pay you to figure out where the heck to store this stuff". What you're describing would be the spot price, not the futures price going negative. --Carnildo (talk) 04:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment perhaps a superlative would highlight imptact better. Added altblurb.130.233.3.157 (talk) 11:10, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - We can safely say this has never happened before in the history of global economics.--WaltCip (talk) 12:41, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait – Sensational spot coverage internationally April 20, but suggest waiting a few days to ascertain extent, longevity of this possible watershed development. – Sca (talk) 12:58, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You don't need to wait. The news is all around you.--WaltCip (talk) 13:11, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The price is positive again now. "Yesterday's price action is best understood as a quirk or peculiarity of futures trading," said analyst James Trafford of Fidelity International." (BBC). Also, just one line mentioning it in the target article. Black Kite (talk) 13:28, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In NY Tuesday, crude futures were in positive territory but showed volatile fluctuation up & down. – Sca (talk) 16:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The newsworthiness is not diminished simply because oil futures are currently back in positive territory (after OPEC rapidly cut yields). It is not even in the aberration that, at the end of one market day as May futures were expiring, some oil prices dipped below zero. It is simply in the fact that, for the first time ever since oil became something useful, no one wanted oil. Did you ever think anyone would ever say that as fact? At this point, there is so much oil in storage that there is literally no place left to store it! (Some countries have been using the tankers themselves as extra storage.) - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 15:23, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • There's many many footnotes to explain why oil was negative, that it is too simply to say "because no one wanted it". The cost of oil accounts for what people will pay (revenue) against the costs of production, processing, transportation, and storage (costs). There are so many levers on this calculation that a temporary drop into the negatives in one area is just a blip, and any statistician will tell you is something you routinely would ignore if it doesn't sustain a negative value. --Masem (t) 15:32, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose based on this Guardian article, which makes it clear this applies only to one oil market and is expected to rebound quickly. That makes our blurb misleading, and the article has only a single sentence on this topic, providing no more information. Modest Genius talk 15:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Even with the caveats, I think this is still extremely noteworthy and historic. Davey2116 (talk) 18:05, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is a very notable event. It would be good for people to know.Rooves (talk) 18:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This kind of blip is fairly routine in commodities markets. The only reason the price briefly showed as negative, rather than zero, is that environmental legislation mean oil can't be dumped or stockpiled in the same way one can dump unwanted grain or leave coal piled at the minehead until the price goes up, and consequently when the May options expired the traders who'd overpurchased had to pay facilities to store it. ‑ Iridescent 18:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There isn't much to it when you look deep enough; not doing so would be a disservice. Usedtobecool ☎️ 19:22, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Just a note that West Texas Intermediate, 2020 Russia–Saudi Arabia oil price war, Corporate debt bubble, and Financial impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic all have multi-sentence updates on this topic. Featous (talk) 21:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Modest Genius. And too many media outlets proceeding with the clickbait simplification when the single futures market was the one that turned negative. ITN should not sink to their level with atrocious blurbs like that. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 03:20, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment So, I woke up today to find that oil is Asia is fast approaching 0, the June futures contract is dumping, and oil derivatives are closing. The notion that such is "fairly routine in commodity markets" is very false; what commodity has ever gone negative, let alone "routinely"? The notion that environmental regulations lead to this is also false; uranium is traded on the open market, has suffered a terrible bear market for years, and it also cannot be "dumped" - it never touched zero or below.130.233.3.91 (talk) 06:56, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose current blurb. If it becomes a worldwide phenomenon, then change the blurb to reflect this. Otherwise, not important enough for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:36, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Iri, Black Kite and Modest Genius. An interesting little quirk, but not right for ITN at present. Should this be the start of something larger (i.e. it spreads to most markets and shows longevity, then the question could be reappraised, but not yet. - SchroCat (talk) 11:59, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oil futures opened around $14 Wednesday and closed at $14.23. – Sca (talk) 13:34, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Prime Minister of Israel

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Article: Prime Minister of Israel (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After an unprecedented three elections in one year, Netanyahu and Gantz sign a unity government agreement ending 17 months of stalemate (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The 2019–20 Israeli constitutional crisis ends with Benjamin Netanyahu as Prime Minister of Israel.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Thirty-fifth_government_of_Israel finally approved following agreement of Benjamin Netanyahu and Benny Gantz ending a seventeen month caretaker government.
Alternative blurb III: ​ After seventeen months, the Likud and Blue and White parties reach a power-sharing agreement between Benjamin Netanyahu and Benny Gantz for the Israeli government.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ After seventeen months of stalemate, the thirty-fifth_government_of_Israel is finally approved with Benjamin Netanyahu as Prime Minister of Israel.
News source(s): JPost, NYTimes, Guardian
Credits:

 Sir Joseph (talk) 18:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support As was noted earlier, ITN habitually posts election results, and this is of at least comparable notability. Israeli politics have been a mess of late, in part because of changing demographics. The only western country with comparable instability is Italy; but for Italy this is a "normal" state of affairs. For Israel, it emphatically is not. Consider that if Netanyahu had been re-elected or become PM as a result of replacing a previous party leader, ITN would automatically have posted that (given adequate article quality). Sometimes such postings include the party details, but more often they do not. ITN also does not normally include the details of power-sharing in minority results. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 10:22, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: For whatever it is worth, I did add a fourth blurb, emphasising the amount of time involved and Netanyahu's continuance in the post. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 10:24, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – but only for a blurb containing the names of both men, preferably with some minimal indication of their political orientation. (How long it's taken is a side issue.) – Sca (talk) 13:04, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
PS: One possibility (call it Alt5): "Following the Israeli parliamentary election in March, the Benjamin Netanyahu-led Likud forms a coalition government with the Kachol Lavan led by Benny Gantz." (The introductory clause could be replaced by "In Israel," ....)Sca (talk) 13:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sca, I think alt-III is fine, it has the details without getting too detaily for the blurb, it does mention names, and then the government, which is linked. I think that reads better than alt-IV. Sir Joseph (talk) 13:35, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait - while the formation of a new government after 3 deadlocked elections is significant enough to warrant posting (I dare even say it's ITNR-level, if not in letter then in spirit), this hasn't happened yet. The coalition agreement between Blue&White and Likud does not automatically mean a new government - the government still needs to win a vote of confidence from the Knesset. While this is a likely outcome with the coalition parties seemingly controlling a majority, a lot can happen between now and the vote. I'd support posting a blurb only after the government is sworn in. Rami R 13:59, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt-3 is my first preference, with Alt-2 as my second preference. The key element of the story is the power-sharing agreement between the two men. That needs to be mentioned in the blurb. The story is in the news prominently, AND the article that is now highlighted in those blurbs is in a good state. --Jayron32 14:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt blurb 3. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:30, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: in principle, I think a new government after three elections is important enough to post. However, the nomination is a mess, all five(!) of the proposed blurbs are poor, and it's very difficult to work out what is going on from the numerous partially-overlapping articles. There needs to be an accessible top-level summary somewhere, and the blurb should keep things simple without casting judgement on either the participants or the time taken. Modest Genius talk
  • Oppose per Rami R. Once the Knesset votes to confirm the unity government (a mere formality, which I assume will be in the next couple days?) then this is ITN/R, since it establishes the final results of a general election. Bzweebl (talkcontribs) 19:31, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I don’t think it’s ITN/R. The elections themselves are, but not the formation of a government. P-K3 (talk) 01:50, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I would think that formation of a government is more notable than the election since that is when the prime minister is chosen. I don't know what ITN conventions have been lately, but it makes more sense to me to post government formation rather than election results when there is no majority in a parliamentary system, if I had to choose one. Bzweebl (talkcontribs) 21:29, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seems to be notable news that deserves to be posted. Another possible altblurb could be: "The 2019–20 Israeli constitutional crisis results in the Thirty-fifth_government_of_Israel after negotiations between prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Knesset speaker Benny Gantz." Does not seem to fit in the box currently though. The Prime Minister of Israel should not be the target/focus article though. Alternatively, could be posted as ongoing. - Indefensible (talk) 06:15, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that a ("unity"-?) coalition govt. was finally formed by by avowed adversaries certainly is ITN-level news, and should be posted now or it'll seem stale. – Sca (talk) 13:41, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) RD: Peter Beard

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Article: Peter Beard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vogue
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: American photographer. - Indefensible (talk) 04:53, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Noach Dear

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Article: Noach Dear (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Law Journal
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: American judge. COVID. - Indefensible (talk) 04:24, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2020 Nova Scotia killings

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Article: 2020 Nova Scotia killings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 13 are killed in a mass shooting attack in Portapique, Nova Scotia, Canada. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least thirteen people die in a spree killing in Nova Scotia, Canada.
Alternative blurb II: ​ At least thirteen people die in a spree killing in rural Nova Scotia, Canada.
News source(s): CBC News, BBC, NYTimes, AP, Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: At least 13 killed in a shooting and arson attack, possibly the deadliest mass shooting in Canadian history. 142.122.141.211 (talk) 00:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Spree: "A merry frolic; especially, a drinking frolic." – Sca (talk) 15:23, 20 April 2020 (UTC

And let's not forget, it's also the name of a German river that flows through Berlin and empties into the Havel (not to be confused with Václav).
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(Posted) RD: François Lafortune Jr.

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Article: François Lafortune Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Het Laatste Nieuws, RTBF
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: 7-times Olympian, one of two people to share the Belgian record of most appearances. Article is short but everything is sourced I think. Fram (talk) 12:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lucien Szpiro

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Article: Lucien Szpiro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Colleague website, colleague tweet
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: French mathematician, Fellow of the American Mathematical Society, known for Szpiro's conjecture; more refs to follow — MarkH21talk 19:47, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The China Securities Regulatory Commission has approved a transaction in which Switzerland's Credit Suisse will take a majority interest in a China securities firm. Credit Suisse will thus be the first foreign bank to own a majority of such a company since the easing of rules about foreign ownership in 2018. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Abba Kyari

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Article: Abba Kyari (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Nigerian president's chief of staff, COVID-19 death – Ammarpad (talk) 06:47, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Norman Hunter

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Article: Norman Hunter (footballer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Notable English footballer, COVID-19. Well sourced as I and others rewrote it when he was diagnosed, sadly. Black Kite (talk) 10:27, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Jane Dee Hull

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Article: Jane Dee Hull (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AZCentral
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Almost stale already – Muboshgu (talk) 20:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Althea McNish

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Article: Althea McNish (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Trinidad and Tobago Newsday
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Fabric designer Andrew🐉(talk) 17:52, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ulrich Kienzle

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Article: Ulrich Kienzle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: German TV personality, Near East and Middle East (interviews with Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein), political debates Frontal, analyzed in at least one book. - The article was basically there, only with zero references which I changed. Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Posted. El_C 07:28, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gene Deitch

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Article: Gene Deitch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tagesspiegel Prague Morning Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Notable animator and comics artist, death noted across multiple countries and languages. Not a Covid19 death. Article seems fully sourced already. Fram (talk) 10:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Christophe (singer)

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Article: Christophe (singer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: French singer, COVID-related death. Significant lack of sourcing though. Masem (t) 13:25, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Luis Sepúlveda

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Article: Luis Sepúlveda (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Renowned Chilean writer and journalist. Dies from COVID-19. I'm trying to update his article as it really need it. User:Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:58, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) South Korean election

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Article: 2020 South Korean legislative election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the South Korean legislative election, the ruling Democratic Party (leader Lee Hae-chan pictured) and their allies increase their majority in the National Assembly (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Some actual news that isn't coronavirus-related. The results table has been updated but there's no prose reaction yet, or description of the extra steps taken to run the election during a pandemicModest Genius talk 13:05, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Juxlos It's unnecessary to say "support per ITNR" as being ITNR means that the merits are not in dispute; only article quality is at issue(and the blurb). 331dot (talk) 17:14, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Keiji Fujiwara

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Article: Keiji Fujiwara (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7] (source in Japanese)
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Japanese voice actor, most famous for dubbing Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man, as well as other Japanese shows including Crayon Shin-chan and Fullmetal Alchemist. Nahnah4 (talk

  • Weak Oppose The article is (gasp!) reasonably well sourced. But it consists mostly of tables. Once you take them out you have very little left. Needs some text. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:06, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose Long list of "Filmography" but the "Biography" is just a series of bullet points. Nigej (talk) 18:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is very close (surprising given the enormous amount of 'ography), and at 1.5 kB of prose, it's just there. If a Japanese-capable reader could fill in the current disjointed prose with a few more sentences it would pass.130.233.3.31 (talk) 07:28, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per previous three. As noted above, articles that rely too heavily on tables, charts, etc., don't serve readers very well. If we're an encyclopedia, we should be presenting mainly prose. – Sca (talk) 14:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Howard Finkel

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Article: Howard Finkel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: World Wrestling Entertainment Hall of Famer, employed by the company for 45ish years and best known as ring announcer. Obviously needs substantial work, but hopefully can get in good shape in the next few days. GaryColemanFan (talk) 18:00, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Stale) RD: Ranjit Chowdhry

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Article: Ranjit Chowdhry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo News
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Bollywood Hollywood actor 7&6=thirteen () 13:20, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Joe Brown (climber)

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Article: Joe Brown (climber) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, The British Mountaineering Council
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A couple of minor points unreferenced, but will sort these shortly. Now sorted. Brown was one of the greats of mountain climbing and transformed the sport in the 1950s and early 1960s. Numerous 'firsts' in climbing, and pioneered several pieces of safety equipment. SchroCat (talk) 11:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Lee Konitz

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Article: Lee Konitz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, NY Times, The Independent, Billboard, Metro
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: American composer and alto saxophonist --SirEdimon (talk) 20:13, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Stale) RD: Brian Dennehy

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Article: Brian Dennehy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American actor. Usual lack of sourcing throughout, needs a lot of work to get there. Not COVID related. Masem (t) 17:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Adam Alsing

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Article: Adam Alsing (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8], [9]
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: One of Sweden’s best known television presenters. Covid 19 related death. BabbaQ (talk) 22:48, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Tom Moore (soldier) charity

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Article: Tom Moore (soldier) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ ...Tom's 100th Birthday Walk For The NHS has raised millions of pounds to support patients and carers in the COVID-19 pandemic (Post)
News source(s): [10]
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Very high profile and a good-news story when we need one. Listing Philafrenzy as an updater, as two versions were started, which I have merged. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose good faith nom with regret. It's a great human interest story but there have been a lot of people stepping up during the not so great pestilence. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:46, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This would be a good DYK candidate, I'm not sure about ITN.-- P-K3 (talk) 17:50, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, better for DYK I know "better for DYK" is often seen (rightly) as a sarcastic put-down, but this is genuinely better for DYK and does meet the eligibility requirements AFAICT, so I encourage the nominator to take it there. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 18:13, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose While some major news outlets are carrying the story, I'm not seeing its appearance in the context of those outlets (i.e. the section they put it in, the depth and breadth of coverage, etc.) which indicates to me that the story has the level of significance necessary for an ITN post. --Jayron32 18:15, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Margit Feldman

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Article: Margit Feldman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Hungarian-American public speaker, educator, activist, and Holocaust survivor. COVID-related. TJMSmith (talk) 05:02, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kerstin Meyer

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Article: Kerstin Meyer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Telegraph and Swedish
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Internationally known Swedish mezzo who sang many world premieres. - Referencing was poor ... - more detail in the sources, but I need a break. I referenced the composer below, - very impressed. Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Dmitri Smirnov (composer)

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Article: Dmitri Smirnov (composer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [11], [12]; see also sources in [13]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Composer. Died 9 April, from COVID-19. A notable Wikimedian: User:DmitrismirnovAndy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:38, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, per nom. Sad. As he died 9 April, I am afraid this should be moved to the date, and is probably too late. Can we make an exception for one of us?? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:51, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Unfortunately, his death was in the news on 9 April, this is not the case of a death notice postponed by family/etc. It can be posted if it can be brought to quality but we're not about to make exceptions because someone was a Wikipedian (that's terribly nepotism, the last thing ITN should engage in. Signpost or other WMF venues, sure). --Masem (t) 23:06, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Eh. "I'm not absolutely opposed to a little nepotism, as long as you keep it in the family." -John F. Kennedy
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(Posted) RD: Hank Steinbrenner

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Article: Hank Steinbrenner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 15:27, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose for now. Article quality is not great; while referenced, it basically consists of a series of random and contextless quotes by the subject without much narrative flow and leaving huge gaps in his biography. Not really a high-enough quality article for the main page. If the article was expanded and given more narrative structure, I could support this. --Jayron32 16:50, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Jayron32, I cut some of it, but the thing is... his time as managing partner of the Yankees was spent, publicly at least, being a big mouth. Then he stepped aside and let his quieter brother run the show. I can add more about his business interests in Florida to balance it out, but lots of the stuff about Red Sox Nation is key to his biography. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:10, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Cutting wasn't the issue. You don't make this any better by removing anything. I don't mind periodic quotes and paraphrases and the like. The issue wasn't removing those, it was adding more text around them to build up a narrative. --Jayron32 18:23, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    The trouble is, there isn't much text to add around it. His big time in the public eye was 2007-08. Per ESPN today: "While Hank was in his 13th season as a general partner and 11th as co-chair, he did not appear to have much involvement in the team's operations in recent years. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:55, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I'm not wowed by the article quality, but I think it meets our customary standards for RD. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:40, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support While I agree that the composition of the article is not optimal, it contains that essentials of the subject's life, establishes the basis of notability, links out to other articles sufficiently and suitably, and everything is referenced. The Controversial statements section I take in the same manner as the ubiquitous Philanthropy & charity sections in articles about living royals; it just comes with the territory.130.233.2.77 (talk) 05:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article meets the RD requirements on length and sourcing.-- P-K3 (talk) 12:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Long article, good sources, but do we need a Controversial Statements, though? Also, good linking and has the basics. TuorEladar (talk) 14:49, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:09, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Jacques Blamont

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Article: Jacques Blamont (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Important astrophysicist and rocket scientist. Well-sourced article already before his death. No indication of cause of death apparently. Fram (talk) 13:18, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Abraham Pinter

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Article: Abraham Pinter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Yeshiva World
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: COVID-19, stub article, GNG tagged for 7 years now 73.81.117.102 (talk) 23:12, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Moraes Moreira

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Article: Moraes Moreira (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Agência Brasil, Time 24 News, El País
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brazilian musician. The article has an orange tag and severe refs issues, but I'll work on it ASAP. I think I fixed all refs issues --SirEdimon (talk) 19:14, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Easter tornado outbreak

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Article: 2020 Easter tornado outbreak (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: A tornado outbreak (satellite image pictured) affects much of the Southeastern United States, killing at least 30 people. (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post, BBC, CNN, AP, NYT
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Multiple destructive and deadly tornadoes last night into this morning across Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, and the Carolinas. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:17, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

PS: AP sez toll up to "at least" 30. – Sca (talk) 20:31, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tarvaris Jackson

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Article: Tarvaris Jackson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former NFL QB, car accident. Thechased (talk) 14:33, 13 April 2020 (UTC) (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Landelino Lavilla

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Article: Landelino Lavilla Alsina (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Mundo
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Spanish politician with an important role during Transition to democracy. Was president of the Congress of Deputies during the failed coup d'état in 1981. Good article, but can be improved. Working on it. Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:07, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Today Pope Francis livestreames the Urbi et Orbi blessing for the second time in just a month. Usually given on Christmas and Easter, this year the pope also gave the blessing on March 27, during a special prayer service for the end of the coronavirus. (CRUX)

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(Posted) RD: Ted Evans (public servant)

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Article: Ted Evans (public servant) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sydney Morning Herald
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:34, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose The paragraph Throughout the 1970s and 1980s, Evans held various positions in the Australian Treasury in Canberra and in several overseas posts. Between 1976 and 1979 he was posted as a Treasury representative to the OECD in Paris. Upon return to Australia, he was promoted to the Senior Executive Service in Treasury becoming a branch head for Fiscal and Monetary Policy and then, in 1982, moving to become head of the General Financial and Economic Policy Divison. In 1984, he was promoted to one of the deputy secretary positions. Later, between 1989 and 1993, he was posted as an executive director to the IMF in Washington. is uncited. Consider this a support once that's fixed. Support fixed. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 06:44, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Short but decent article now following recent fixes Joseywales1961 (talk) 11:27, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Question: Can we move this article to the more accepted and WP:NPOV disambiguator "politician"? "Public servant" is too euphemistic. --Jayron32 17:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I think "public servant" is more accurate since he never held elected office and the phrase is common and NPOV enough; "(civil servant)" might be better as he appeared to be in the civil service more. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 20:53, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Doing a bit of research, it looks like the position he held was a non-political one, as noted at Departmental secretary, and it also appears that the term "public service" and "public servant" is used in AusEng in the same way as "civil service" and "civil servant" is in other countries. I withdraw my original point. Carry on. (as an aside, elections do not a politician make, and appointed politicians are still politicians, political appointments are also a thing. But it is clear from the relevant articles that the office he held was expressly non-political, so that doesn't apply here.) --Jayron32 21:14, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 01:59, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Eliyahu Bakshi-Doron

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Article: Eliyahu Bakshi-Doron (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yeshiva World News
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: COVID-19, former Chief Sephardic Rabbi of Israel. Perhaps worthy of a blurb. Israel has two Chief Rabbis at a time, one Ashkenaz, one Sephard. They have effective control of Israeli law on many significant issues, including marriage, divorce, immigration. 73.81.116.51 (talk) 22:46, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Glenn Beckert

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Article: Glenn Beckert (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
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 – Muboshgu (talk) 20:16, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Peter Bonetti

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Article: Peter Bonetti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Lots of refs needed. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:59, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Edem Kodjo

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Article: Edem Kodjo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Africa News
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Nominator's comments: Former Prime Minister of Togo. Article in good shape. Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:23, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If notability or interest was the relevant criterion, most Anglo-Saxon people would not be cited in the RD. Here the important requirement is the quality of the article, which is indisputable in this case. Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:38, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure that's true. Stirling Moss has had over 200,000 hits in the last year, Tim Brooke-Taylor over 100,000, Edem Kodjo less than 5,000. Clearly hits aren't everything, but it does reflect interest on the English language Wikipedia. https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=wiki.eso.workers.dev&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2019-04-11&end=2020-04-10&pages=Tim_Brooke-Taylor%7CStirling_Moss%7CEdem_Kodjo Nigej (talk) 21:25, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is immaterial. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 22:24, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Tim Brooke-Taylor

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Article: Tim Brooke-Taylor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former Goodie, ISIHAC panellist. Mjroots (talk) 12:15, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to RD) RD: Stirling Moss

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Article: Stirling Moss (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Independent, BBC
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Nominator's comments: Not known whether this is COVID of not. Needs a bit of work first SchroCat (talk) 09:56, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
One wonders just how and why so many BLPs are so sub-standard in terms of referencing. It’s depressing to see just how many people are not posted at RD because the articles are so poor in this respect. - SchroCat (talk) 13:15, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This is why I had begin to work improving existing BLPs from my home country. :S robertsky (talk) 13:44, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic
    • Sudan's Health Minister Akram Ali Altom says that his country urgently needs US$120 million to combat the COVID-19 pandemic. While the country has registered relatively few cases and two deaths, Altom says that if it spreads, the country is not prepared to face it. (Reuters)

(Closed) Abdul Majed hanged

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Article: Abdul Majed (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
Alternative blurb: Abdul Majed, who killed Bangladesh's founding father Sheikh Mujibur Rahman in a coup, captured and hanged.
News source(s): NYTimes
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Nominator's comments: Non-Covid related, one of the most significant cases in Bangladesh history 2605:6000:101B:8EDD:45D5:EB98:66AB:4BF8 (talk) 22:25, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Stanley Chera

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Article: Stanley Chera (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Matzav
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: COVID-19, major NYC real estate developer, friend of Trump, his case influenced Trump to not ease restrictions 73.81.116.137 (talk) 14:49, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Colby Cave

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Article: Colby Cave (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: 25-year-old hockey player dies following a brain bleed (non-COVID) Teemu08 (talk) 20:34, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Horton Conway

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Article: John Horton Conway (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Heise, Mercer Daily Voice
Credits:

Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: One of the best-known mathematicians in recent memory. Only problem is that I wasn't able to find any great sources for his death, but I expect official confirmation will appear shortly. 70.172.136.61 (talk) 19:18, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Enrique Múgica

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Article: Enrique Múgica (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Mundo, El País
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Former Minister of Justice, Deputy and Ombudsman. Key figure during Transition and COVID-19 victim. Article recently updated by Punk HazardAlsoriano97 (talk) 00:45, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Alsoriano97, I've added citation needed tags where these would greatly improve the articles chances of making the grade if you can help Joseywales1961 (talk) 09:35, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Joseywales1961, done! Check it out and see if everything is in order now. Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:10, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

April 10

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(Stale) RD: William R. Polk

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Article: William R. Polk (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/10/us/william-polk-dead.html
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Death reported on April 10 --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 03:32, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to RD) RD: Rifat Chadirji

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Article: Rifat Chadirji (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The National
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Notable Iraqi architect, called the father of Iraqi modern architecture, and well-known in the field of architecture. Droodkin (talk) 09:34, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Shanti Hiranand

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Article: Shanti Hiranand (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ET
Credits:

Article updated
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 Nizil (talk) 07:41, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Hilary Dwyer

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Article: Hilary Dwyer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Actress and producer. Death was sometime last week, only accounced by family now. COVID related. Typical sourcing issues for actors. --Masem (t) 04:06, 11 April 2020 (UTC) Masem (t) 04:06, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Tom Webster (ice hockey)

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Article: Tom Webster (ice hockey) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LA Times, ESPN
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Canadian ice hockey player and coach. Non-COVID. Spengouli (talk) 03:15, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to RD) RD: Nobuhiko Obayashi

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Article: Nobuhiko Obayashi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo! Japan, Bloody Disgusting, The A. V. Club
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Japanese film and television director. Non-COVID death. Currently working on adding more citations to his article. —Matthew - (talk) 23:18, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Each item in the article's Partial filmography section is now sourced. —Matthew - (talk) 01:21, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

April 9

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(Posted to RD) RD: Phyllis Lyon

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Article: Del Martin and Phyllis Lyon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, CNN, Los Angeles Times
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Phyllis Lyon died on April 9; her wife Del Martin died in 2008. They do not have separate articles as they are/were most notable as a couple. Both Phyllis Lyon and Del Martin are redirects. Funcrunch (talk) 00:36, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted to RD) RD: Mort Drucker

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Article: Mort Drucker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times, NBC News, LA Times
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Nominator's comments: An American caricaturist and comics artist --SirEdimon (talk) 05:31, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Masem: Is there something against posting COVID deaths in RD, even of prominent persons? Gotitbro (talk) 14:09, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This is only presently for tracking purposes. There is currently nothing for/against COVID related deaths, only that per discussions on WT:ITN if there may need to be methods in the future to manage RD postings during this period during COVID, and hence I'm adding whether deaths were COVID related or not simply for ease of tracking for this. --Masem (t) 14:11, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on sourcing - a few para needs closing CNs, and the bibilography should include ISBNs. But otherwise its close. (Notably, he worked for MAD Magazine.) --Masem (t) 05:40, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Minor understatement. He was the "MAD caricaturist" for decades. In a 1985 Tonight Show appearance, when Johnny Carson asked Michael J. Fox, "When did you really know you'd made it in show business?" Fox replied, "When Mort Drucker drew my head." --47.146.63.87 (talk) 16:16, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for posting, even if it only stayed up for five hours. P-K3 (talk) 11:54, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Te Huirangi Waikerepuru

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Article: Te Huirangi Waikerepuru (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RNZ, 1 News
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Stub, but well referenced.  Nixinova  T  C   01:57, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Linda Tripp

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Article: Linda Tripp (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The whistleblower in Monica Lewinsky scandal. Non-COVID death. Sourcing issues. Masem (t) 21:23, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Nipper Read

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Article: Nipper Read (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky BBC
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Article a little on the short side, but fully cited and covers all the main points. SchroCat (talk) 11:33, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Coronavirus pandemic in Ecuador

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Article: 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Ecuador (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Ecuador distributes cardboard made coffins to residents due to the country's struggle in evacuating the dead bodies which are leftover in the streets (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Government of Ecuador builds emergency cemeteries to dispose the dead bodies to cope with the COVID-19.
News source(s): The Guardian, CNN, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: I think Ecuador is probably the only country to face this issue. Abishe (talk) 04:02, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose A shortage of affordable and biodegradable coffins or new cemeteries being delayed would be unusual issues to face. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:11, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Every country or locales of countries are dealing with overflowing morgues. Some are able to handle it more humanely, some not. This is all covered under the COVID header banner. --Masem (t) 04:27, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - This is not a major thing in any way. Many countries are doing unique things regarding handling the COVID-19 pandemic and its consequences, like Indian railway coaches and British exhibition centres being converted into quarantine sites and so on. The only good reason I can think of for posting this would be that no other country has a coffin shortage (but I don’t know if coffin shortages are notable enough) RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 04:32, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There is no shortage, I invented it for rhetorical purposes. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:48, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
InedibleHulk, I meant shortage of ordinary coffins (and sensible places to bury/cremate the deceased, though I didn’t mention that) RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 05:05, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Those are ordinary coffins. You're probably thinking of the $5,000+ fancy caskets. You don't expect luxury from the Ecuadorian government (if you're poor, I mean). InedibleHulk (talk) 05:10, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose good faith nomination. This is truly appalling. But it's a sign of the times. In New York City they are talking about turning one or more municipal parks into mass graves as a temporary measure because the mortuary people are so swamped. Kyrie eleison. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:34, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Former Ecuadorian President arrested

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Article: Rafael Correa (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa is convicted on corruption charges and sentenced to eight years in prison (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa is sentenced in absentia for corruption charges
Alternative blurb II: ​ The National Court of Ecuador sentences former president Rafael Correa and 19 others in absentia on bribery and corruption charges.
News source(s): The New York Times, BBC, France 24
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Quite important as the decision was made by the top court of Ecuador amid the coronavirus struggle in the country. Abishe (talk) 04:02, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle, this is the point of conviction, though apparently Correa will be able to appeal. I added altblurb2 as there were 19 others also charged (appearing to be part of his administration). There are some CN and similar tags scattered in his article so its not quite ready. --Masem (t) 04:36, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Most important part: in absentia. Pavlor (talk) 08:59, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose In absentia, yes, but more importantly his article has two sentences about the issue (in the lead) which doesn't really explain it at all. Black Kite (talk) 12:05, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per previous two. Murky, prolix. – Sca (talk) 13:48, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per In absentia issue. Which is very important here – Ammarpad (talk) 17:23, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Ignoring the quality/update issues (valid points), the in absentia I don't get. He had his lawyers in court (see NYTimes article) it wasn't like a mock trial, and he has the right to appeal. If he steps foot into the country, he'll be immediately arrested. It seems a fully valid trial result. Compare this to, say, the US trying to put a foreign president on trial without being able to extradite him to the US; that's just more an empty result. --Masem (t) 17:41, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    In absentia apparently has different meanings in common law vs. civil law systems: trial in absentia. Given that I strongly advise against putting that phrase in the blurb because it's very likely to give many a false impression. How many average English-speakers can tell you off the top of the head what legal system Ecuador uses? --47.146.63.87 (talk) 23:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This is a very good point, and enlightening for above commentators, but I don't think it makes a difference. One reason in absentia is shunned in Common Law is that it precludes further action at the moment of conviction; that is, convictions can be meaningless. Before this conviction, Correa would have been arrested. After conviction, Correa could be jailed. Changes to Correa's status don't actually depend on what happens in court; they depend on whether Correa makes himself available. Traditionally, ITN has posted convictions because that is the moment when impact in a case is realized, in part because the cases covered are usually Common Law cases. Should the conviction carry no impact, then I can see a reason for posting when sentencing is carried out. If so, perhaps this distinction should make it's way into the ITN instructions.130.233.2.71 (talk) 07:14, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • A major blackout is reported in western and southern Libya, according to the General Electricity Company of Libya, which says its control teams are trying to figure out the reason behind the power outage. (Libya Observer)

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(Closed) RD: Charlotte Figi

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Article: Charlotte Figi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): kdvr
Credits:
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The subject was 13 when she died. (Sadly, she lived a short life. This is a relatively short article, but it is well sourced) TJMSmith (talk) 14:27, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete (thus Oppose) This was a perfectly fine redirect to the story about her wider impact for six years, only got kneejerked to a stub because COVID was briefly suspected, should go back to normal instead. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:49, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If there wasn't already a bigger and better article about her bud encapsulating her notable parts, I'd vote Keep (and Support). Not everyone who deserves a standalone bio needs one. It's a redundancy thing, always has been. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:46, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@InedibleHulk: You should nominate at AfD if you have doubts about the topic being a standalone article. ITNC isn't the venue to delete.—Bagumba (talk) 15:08, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Can't paste, AfDs need pasting. Do you want to help me start? If you also have doubts, I mean. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:50, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@InedibleHulk: Twinkle can be used to open Xfds, such as AfDs.—Bagumba (talk) 12:17, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I use Javascript as a last resort. Remerging this offshoot isn't that crucial. But thanks for trying! InedibleHulk (talk) 20:27, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Leib Groner

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Article: Leib Groner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Yeshiva World
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: COVID-19 related, longtime secretary of the Lubavitcher rebbe 73.81.116.34 (talk) 21:41, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Allen Garfield

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Article: Allen Garfield (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): THR
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Actor, death from COVID related complications. Needs filmology sourcing. Masem (t) 04:39, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: John Prine

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Article: John Prine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone
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Nominator's comments: Notable singer/songwriter KConWiki (talk) 02:10, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Yaakov Perlow

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Article: Yaakov Perlow (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Yeshiva World
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Leading US Haredi rabbi, the Novominsker rebbe, COVID-19 related 73.81.116.20 (talk) 12:10, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Cardinal George Pell's Conviction for Child Sex Abuse is Quashed

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Article: George Pell (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The High Court of Australia unanimously quashes the conviction of Cardinal George Pell for child sex abuse and orders the verdicts amended to acquittal. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The High Court of Australia quashes the conviction of Cardinal George Pell for child sex abuse and orders his acquittal.
News source(s): The Guardian
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Nominator's comments: Probably the biggest legal case in Australia in the last 30 years. The ruling was unanimous and highly critical of the jury and original trial stating that there was a strong possibility an innocent man was convicted. Given that we posted the original conviction, and assuming article quality, I think we have an obligation to post this. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:37, 7 April 2020 (UTC) Ad Orientem (talk) 00:37, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support: I agree; this is very clearly notable, and has been updated to note the quashing of the verdict. Is the article good enough, though? This is my first time here, so I'm not sure... Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 01:05, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support though I feel there's probably a bit more reaction to be had on the quashed verdict to be had base on the Guardian's running timeline. But yes, we can post these types of reversals of major cases that we've posted the convictions before. --Masem (t) 01:08, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree and think it would be a good idea to let this develop a bit while the reactions come in and the article is updated. This basically happened within the last hour or two at the most so there is no rush. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:12, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This case has attracted international attention since the beginning. This major development seems worth posting, especially, as you point out, since the original conviction was posted here. Bnng (talk) 02:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Not comfortable with seeing Pell described as an innocent man. A large number of people have come forward over the years and claimed he assaulted them, including a couple more only last week. They are unlikely to all be lying. This trial was on only one charge in the end. So, not legally guilty of that charge, but no evidence he is an innocent man. HiLo48 (talk) 02:43, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • He is, pending the lower court's submission of the acquittal verdict, is innocent of this crime. And he hasn't been proven guilty of any other crimes, so we're not going to consider him guilty of other crimes that people believe he might be guilty of. --Masem (t) 02:52, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) In the Anglo-American legal tradition, a person has an absolute legal presumption of innocence until/unless convicted in a court of law. There were five charges on which he was convicted. All five have been quashed and the High Court has taken the extremely unusual step of stating that there was a serious possibility that an innocent man had been convicted. Of course we are all free to form private opinions. But as a matter of law he is innocent. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:59, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What exactly is this "moral obligation"? As far as I can see, it's just news.--Jack Upland (talk) 05:41, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think the argument, which is fair, is that if we posted a person's conviction at ITN, and that conviction was overturned (and in this case, in such a dramatic manner, quashing is not just a simple overturn), we are obligated per BLP to make sure to post that as well, assuming article quality is to par. --Masem (t) 16:27, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
How far does this obligation extend???--Jack Upland (talk) 23:49, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure I follow the question. If we post at ITN that someone was convicted of a serious crime, and that conviction is later overturned, or in this case actually quashed with not guilty verdicts entered, then I see no "limit" to our responsibility to post that news (assuming article quality is up to scratch). IMO the obligation is first and foremost, moral. But I also believe that the obligation is at least implicit under WP:BLP. Worse, failing to do so could expose the project to accusations of editorial bias. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:32, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In the same concept, I would say this does not extend beyond BLP. If we happened to post about the conviction against a company (for some reason), and not directly against any individuals, and that was later over turned, I don't think we would be as morally driven by any policy to post the reversal at ITN (in the article on the situation, yes). --Masem (t) 03:42, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What about a civil case? What about a story that did reputational damage?--Jack Upland (talk) 04:36, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If we ever posted such a civil case, which would involve fines, and later it was reversed on appeals, we'd do the same. But I have a feeling we'd never post such a civil case, the way things go here at ITN. --Masem (t) 04:55, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

April 6

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(Posted) RD: Eli Velder

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Article: Eli Velder (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Baltimore Sun
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: New article. Velder died on April 6. Local obituaries were published April 7. TJMSmith (talk) 20:34, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Radomir Antić

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Article: Radomir Antić (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
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 The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 06:53, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Black the Ripper

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Article: Black the Ripper (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Complex
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 – TwinTurbo (talk) 23:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Al Kaline

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Article: Al Kaline (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit Free Press
Credits:

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 – Muboshgu (talk) 20:24, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Margaret Burbidge

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Article: Margaret Burbidge (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times Sky & Telescope
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Astrophysicist who played a key role in developing stellar nucleosynthesis. Died aged 100 after a fall, not COVID-related. Death announced this afternoon. I'm in the process of addressing the {{cn}} tags (most of which I added myself). Modest Genius talk 20:05, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All tags fixed. Modest Genius talk 21:09, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Cyclone Harold

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Article: Cyclone Harold (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Cyclone Harold (satellite image pictured) impacts the Solomon Islands and Vanuatu, killing at least six people. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Washington Post, RNZ
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Nominator's comments: Second-most powerful storm on record in Vanuatu with extensive damage reported. At least 6 deaths (21 missing, BBC says all dead tho) from a COVID ferry incident in the Solomon Islands. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 19:11, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jay Benedict

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Article: Jay Benedict (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: US-UK actor. Aliens, Emmerdale. COVID-19. Died 4/4, announced today. Article needs a lot of work. Black Kite (talk) 12:51, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

April 5

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(Posted) RD: Honor Blackman

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Article: Honor Blackman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood, The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Actress w/ numerous roles including original UK Avengers TV show but best known as Pussy Galore from Goldfinger. Non-COVID. Several CNs and filmography needs sourcing. Masem (t) 17:02, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@MSGJ: - I think I've sorted all those. Ping me if I've missed any! Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:17, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bobby Mitchell

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Article: Bobby Mitchell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, he became the first black star for the Washington Redskins after they were the last NFL team to integrate. No cause of death yet. —Bagumba (talk) 08:19, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Shirley Douglas

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Article: Shirley Douglas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Canadian actress as well as spouse to Donald Sutherland and mother of Kiefer Sutherland. Non-COVID (pneumonia). Sourcing issues. Masem (t) 23:23, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Re-closed) Boris Johnson in intensive care; Raab to lead UK

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Article: Boris Johnson (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ British Prime Minister Boris Johnson is admitted to intensive care with COVID-19, the First Secretary of State Dominic Raab assumes leadership. (Post)
News source(s): ITV
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Nominator's comments: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson is hospitalized over 'persistent' coronavirus symptoms

IAmNitpicking (talk) 22:34, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Stale) RD: Tim Robinson (cartographer)

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Article: Tim Robinson (cartographer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTÉ (obit), The Irish Times (obit), Fintan O’Toole on Tim Robinson: ‘One of the greatest writers of lands’ (tribute)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Irish artist, writer, cartographer. Honors include an Irish Book Award Literature Medal, election to Aosdána and the Royal Irish Academy. Exact date of birth unknown; COVID-19-related death. 66.226.63.50 (talk) 16:42, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mahmoud Jibril

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Article: Mahmoud Jibril (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Libyan PM. COVID-19-related death. --CoryGlee (talk) 15:15, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Pentti Linkola

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Article: Pentti Linkola (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yle, Iltalehti, Ilta-Sanomat
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Finnish environmentalist and writer. Exact date of death unknown, and scarce coverage of announcement in English-language outlets at the moment. Hrodvarsson (talk) 13:37, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

April 4

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(Posted) RD: Tom Dempsey

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(Posted) RD: Alexander Thynn, 7th Marquess of Bath

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(Closed) Grand National

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(Closed) Resolute sinks Naiguatá

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(Posted) RD: Eric Verdonk

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(Posted) RD: Constand Viljoen

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Template:Re Go take a look now. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 17:45, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
All good. Support. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:22, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bill Withers

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(Posted) RD: Juan Giménez

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(Closed) RD: Logan Williams

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  • Oppose. With all respect to his recent death, this teen is not notable in the WP:N sense. All coverage of him is about his recent death, not about his life or short career. He shouldn't even have an article, never mind be featured on ITN. ♠PMC(talk) 05:58, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you think he doesn't meet notability, please go ahead and PROD - but since the career section is longer than the death one, and there's sources from 2014, and he won awards for acting, and literally every major film and TV news outlet in North America reported on his death... I don't think it will go very well. Kingsif (talk) 15:06, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose echoing Chaos - while he is "in the news", the article was just created today and has a total of three editors. While that isn't an absolute negative, it's a major contra-indication, and unfortunately when over three-quarters of the sources regard his death, that's not a good sign either. -- a lainsane (channel two) 09:43, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment ITN/RD doesn't really care how old or under-edited an article is. If it's satisfactory and the person is notable, it can be posted. I was expecting more arguments about privacy of a teenager's family than about newness. Kingsif (talk) 15:06, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Louis J. Gill

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(Stale) RD: Patricia Bosworth

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(Posted) RD: Aaron Rubashkin

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(Posted) RD: Goyo Benito

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(Posted) RD: Bernardita Catalla

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(Posted) RD: Eddie Large

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(Posted) RD: William Frankland (allergist)

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  • Template:U WP:SELFPUB, although I notice now it wasn't a post from their own Twitter, so that doesn't apply. I'll work on updating and wait for proper confirmation. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:33, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    That's an interesting question actually. The Tweet is from the verified account of Dan Snow, who is a notable historian. Does that qualify as a reliable source? If the same author wrote about the death in the Guardian then we would count it, but maybe not on Twitter? I actually don't know the answer to that question.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:22, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The phrase "published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy" is pertinent. We have no reason to believe Snow's tweets are checked by anyone, and while online sources can sometimes be described as "published," tweets clearly lack the permanence implied by the word. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:58, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps five years ago I would have agreed with you, but with our current administration in the U.S. having a penchant for announcing policy decisions via tweet, and with of course the unwritten credo of the Internet being "what you put on the Internet stays there forever", it's becoming more and more difficult to characterize tweets as ephemeral.--WaltCip (talk) 14:46, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Even when Trump makes declarations via twitter, we have third-party RSes that pick up on it to confirm/corroborate. That's what we'd want here. --Masem (t) 14:55, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Edward L. Feightner

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(Stale) RD: Cristina (singer)

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(Posted) RD: Mahmoud Zakzouk

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(Posted) RD: Bucky Pizzarelli

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(Posted) RD: Zoltán Peskó

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At 330 words, it's just enough for an RD of a non-Anglo musician. – Sca (talk) 15:26, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now - per Template:U, most of the article currently is resume-style, with no discussion of the significance of the work he did. Just a bit more detail on the later part of his career and it would be OK.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:09, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    A bit frustrating to read that now, instead of yesterday. Instead of expanding "him", I put effort in what I hoped might become GA, but no (and I knew it), and in Hertha Töpper for whom it's too late anyway. Looks like it's almost too late for him as well. A bit frustrating, but I'll try. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:27, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There's really no point in postponing this one any further. These days, no single RD is worth nitpicking ... er, to death ... if it's reasonably informative and documented, as this one is. – Sca (talk) 20:08, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. I've added extra detail to his roles at the Rhein Oper and at the Lisbon opera so it's fine to go now. There are now eight RD entries, but none have super-long names and all posted within the past 24 hours so seems OK to WP:IAR on that. Apologies to Gerda for the late opposes a day after the nomination, but just because these are strange times doesn't mean the main-page standards have changed. Rather than dismissing Spencer's concern above, it's better to just resolve the issues as I've done. Many thanks Gerda for another informative article.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:40, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ellis Marsalis Jr.

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(Stale) RD: Kevin Duffy

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(Stale) RD: Adam Schlesinger

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(Closed) Whiting Petroleum Corporation

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(Posted) RD: Branislav Blažić

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(Closed) April 1 cancelled

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That said, target article's unupdated. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:43, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Nur Hassan Hussein

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