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[edit source] seems to be gone despite me being logged in, only visual edits can be done

Hi, yesterday when I made my last edit I was for some reason logged out of my account, now that I'm logged in again I only seem able to make visual edits. ★Trekker (talk) 08:10, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@StarTrekker Welcome to the Teahouse. There are two ways to resolve this.

Firstly, either editing tool always offers you the ability to switch back and forth. Look for the grey sloping pencil on the upper right of the toolbar in either editor. Click that and you can switch between them.

The second way to fix this permanently, is to go to your Preferences settings and find the Editing tab. Look for the options for "Editing mode" and change the dropdown to "Show me both editor tabs". You will now always see both options. Why this isn't the default setting, I really don't know. Hope this helps. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes It works again. Thank you so much Nick!★Trekker (talk) 08:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Brilliant! Nick Moyes (talk) 08:46, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

WP:Be_Bold apply when doing WP:CSD?

Is WP:Be_Bold encouraged when making a WP:CSD to a page? BloxyColaSweet (talk) 08:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@BloxyColaSweet Hi there again, Bloxy. I'd say the one time not to be bold is when putting up an article for deletion. My view is to err on the side of caution and not to rush to delete a potentially useful article. We have some guidance at WP:BEFORE in which we require editors to do some investigation of their own prior to marking an article for deletion. But, of course, if it's obviously a useless page, then yes, act with common sense and mark it for speedy deletion. It will still be down to the admin who responds to your CSD tag to decide whether or not to act upon it. Maybe WP:AFD is a better option when you're not sure about an article's merits. Then 'Before' really does apply there. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:46, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Because the page I CSD'ed started with the header "Unbeatable Prices: Electronic Components for Sale!". It sounded like they were promoting something. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 08:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@BloxyColaSweet In that case, there's no need to worry about 'Being Bold' just CSD it ASAP as Unambiguous promotion or advertising. Case closed. See the CSD criterion G11 for this at WP:G11. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:08, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia views

Hello. I was wondering if there were any websites avaliable where you can see how many views certain Wikipedia articles get on a day-to-day basis. Regards, Roads4117 (talk) 09:21, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Roads4117, the best place is https://pageviews.wmcloud.org —Kusma (talk) 09:35, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Great, that was exactly what I was looking for! Many thanks! Roads4117 (talk) 09:43, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Roads4117: The top of page histories has a "Pageviews" link. User:PrimeHunter/Pageviews.js adds the link to the Tools menu. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

There is also the XTools gadget accessible via Special:Preferences -> Gadgets. —Kusma (talk) 11:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

SHORT TERM MEMORY ORGANAZATIOANL SKILLS

Spelling issue on this page. SHORT TERM MEMORY ORGANAZATIOANL SKILLS 2603:9001:5802:BAC7:4528:A7B4:41C1:6233 (talk) 13:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

IP editor: I don't see such an error on Short-term memory. That article is not protected from editing, so if there is, indeed, a problem you could fix it yourself. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:21, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Suspect comment in Talk section

Hi where does one report suspicious comments in Talk sections ?

See for instance https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/wiki/Talk:The_Dealer_(album) : that Australian site is irrelevant and may be suspect. I'd like to have someone with e-security skills look at it. Where does one report it ? HomerHossa (talk) 11:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@HomerHossa Welcome to the Teahouse. That link was placed on the Talk Page over 12 years ago. I suggest you just ignore it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:16, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I redacted the link, and added an explanation. —Wasell^(T) 13:32, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Assistance Needed with Sourcing for Draft Article on Koorosh Ghorbani

Hi everyone, I’m working on a draft article about Koorosh Ghorbani, an Iranian trial motorcyclist, and I’m having some trouble with sourcing. He is well-known in Iran and has been extensively covered in Persian media, which are considered reliable sources in his home country. These sources were sufficient for his Persian Wikipedia page, but I’m unsure how to properly reference them on the English Wikipedia. Can anyone advise on how to use Persian sources on English Wikipedia? Additionally, is there a way to upload and use translated documents as sources? We’re aiming to introduce him to an international audience, and having an English Wikipedia page is crucial for this purpose. Thank you in advance for any guidance!

Draft:Koorosh Ghorbani Neginghaderii (talk) 13:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Neginghaderii, welcome to the Teahouse. You asked the same question at the Help Desk and got a detailed response from ColinFine - is there a particular point you need further explanation on? 57.140.16.8 (talk) 14:06, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Bias in article?

I do apologise if it is glaringly obvious but I was wondering if the 'Present Singa' section in Singa the Courtesy Lion is biased for the following reasons:

1. It use phrases that might be biased such as "the emphasis now shifts to Singaporeans, who are called upon to channel their inner Singa and spread kindness in a more intentional way". I mean, "channel their inner Singa" seems a bit unusual, doesn't it? Also, it uses inclusive language for Singaporeans only such as "where it imparts values like graciousness and compassion to our primary school children and preschoolers."
2. It is uncited. Compared to its previous revision , the current section is uncited and seems to lack detail in regards to the 'Singa Resigns' campaign.

Thanks, @Imbluey2 ---Please '@' my username so that I get notified of your response (talk) 01:06, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I did some cleanup and removed an entire unsourced section that added no value. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Anachronist I mean I wouldn't say that uncited section has no value. I do think that the status of Singa the Lion in the present has no value whatsoever but I think the 'Singa Resigns' campaign does have some significance. Please '@' my username so that I get notified of your response (talk) 03:40, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Imbluey2: Anyone is free to add it back with a citation to a reliable source. Completely unsourced sections are fair game for removal. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

My wikipedia page is not getting approved despite its extreme value

I recently published my thesis in astrophysic field after getting its coyright and wanted to put this on Wikipedia using my decade old account. I am getting declined. Help me to put this new theory on Wikipedia for free public access NEOKALIDAS (talk) 04:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi NEOKALIDAS,

Wikipedia is only for reporting on topics that have already been published in reliable sources. It is not a place to publish your own theories, analysis of others' work, or similar personal reports. Those are all called "original research", and are not accepted here. If your idea has merit, publish it somewhere like a journal or website where others can review and critique it. Once it gains traction and is accepted (or discussed in detail by others in similarly-published form), it might meet the requirement of notability to merit an article on Wikipedia. DMacks (talk) 04:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Your page has zero value here. Wikipedia is not interested in original research, only what has been reported in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the article subject. Your user page isn't the place for it (see Wikipedia:User pages for guidance on proper usage) and you cannot use Wikipedia as your own personal web host. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Request for Wikipedia Page Creation - Satish Sanpal

Hi team Wikipedia contributors,

I am writing to formally request the creation of a Wikipedia page for Mr. Satish Sanpal.

Mr. Sanpal is a well known UAE based entrepreneur. His work in Real Estate, Hospitality, Marketing, has had a significant impact on the UAE real estate world and his notable achievements and contributions.

I believe that a Wikipedia page would be a valuable resource for those interested in learning more about Mr. Sanpal's contributions.

Please let me know if you require any additional information to proceed with the page creation.

Details

Satish Sanpal[2] (born 25 May 1985, London, United Kingdom)[3] is an Indian-British entrepreneur and the Chairman and Managing Director of a diverse business conglomerate. His ventures span real estate, media, and hospitality, with a particular focus on the United Arab Emirates and London.

Born in London, Sanpal developed a keen business acumen from a young age. This entrepreneurial spirit led him to establish Anax Developers, Anax Media, Anax Hospitality, and VII Club[4][5][6][7], all of which are headquartered in Dubai, UAE. Under his leadership, these companies have achieved significant growth and recognition within their respective industries.

Sanpal's strategic vision and innovative approach to business have positioned him as a prominent figure in the UAE's dynamic entrepreneurial landscape. His contributions to the country's economy and his philanthropic endeavors have earned him widespread respect and admiration.[8][9][10][11]

References

1. Satish Sanpal. India Today.

2. Most successful entrepreneur in the UAE- Satish Sanpal.

3. Satish Sanpal - Biography. IMDb

4. ANAX Developments | Trusted Real Estate Developers in Dubai. ANAX Developments.

5. ANAX Group. Anax Holding.

6. Hospitality Company In Dubai & hospitality group-Anax Hospitality Anax Hospitality.

7. Night Club in Dubai | Dubai Night Life - Vii Dubai.

8. Building A Legacy: ANAX Holding Chairman Satish Sanpal. Entrepreneur.

9. Dubai billionaire Satish Sanpal throws lavish birthday bash with top Bollywood celebrities in Armani Hotel". Khaleej Times.

10. How ANAX Holding's Satish Sanpal is bringing a sustainable approach to real estate.Gulf business.

11. The Rise Of ANAX Holding: A Journey Of Ambition, Innovation, And Excellence. OutlookIndia.

About

Satish Sanpal

Born - 25 May 1985 (age 39) London, United Kingdom

Occupations - Businessperson, entrepreneur, investor

Years active - 2010-present

Organization(s) ANAX Developments, ANAX Holding, VII Club, ANAX Media

Awards - Golden Excellence, Award[1]

Website - https://satishsanpal.com/

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Thank you, Rohitkumar096 (talk) 13:28, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Rohitkumar096, you can create this article yourself, but you'll want to look at WP:FIRST before you do. If you have a conflict of interest, which it seems like you do, you will also need to read WP:COI. References #2-5 are not useful - we're looking for references that verify the content, and these are simply external links to the main pages of various websites. -- asilvering (talk) 14:26, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

To create article on wikipedia you must be a be aware of WP:MOS and WP:N.As you are a newcomer and want to start your first article you must read WP:YFA.

I have prepared draft article so then you can expand it and then submit that for review.

see: Draft:Satish Sanpal.

-- kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 14:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

We cannot use the subject's own website and IMDB as reliable sources. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:31, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Rohitkumar096 Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, not to be authors or co-authors. Kemel49 was kind enough to create the frame for a draft, but it will be your responsibility to complete and submit a completed draft - with properly formated references. David notMD (talk) 15:57, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

A Google search for "Satish Sanpal" finds me dozens of sources written to praise him, but nothing by an impartial third party. I for one would certainly not be willing to help with his self-promotion. Maproom (talk) 16:52, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Should a claim of "they are presumed to be dead" be tagged as "by whom"?

In Kalpana Chakma, relating to the person's abduction, a statement with a reference to a local newspaper says, "she is presumed dead". Without mention of reason or who suspects it. Should this be challenged in any way? Aspweb (talk) 16:49, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

No. Presumption of death is a legal term. It doesn't mean presumed dead by a particular individual. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Okay then. Aspweb (talk) 17:02, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

How to Effectively Manage Multiple Sandboxes?

Hello everyone,

I'm particularly interested in Greek contemporary art, a subject that seems to be underrepresented on Wikipedia. I've been working on several related pages within a single sandbox, but it's becoming quite chaotic.

To manage this better, I've temporarily saved each page idea to my desktop. However, I'm wondering if there's a way to create multiple sandboxes for different pages to keep things organized on Wikipedia. IlEssere (talk) 09:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@IlEssere: You have User:IlEssere/sandbox. You can have User:IlEssere/sandbox 2, User:IlEssere/sandbox 3 and so on, or name them by subject: User:IlEssere/sandbox Foo. You can make links like that on your user page to keep track of them and start new ones. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:00, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh, thanks! I didn't know I could do that.

How can I find the correct sandbox each time? IlEssere (talk) 10:30, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@IlEssere: as Andy says, you can keep track of them by linking from your user page. And if you give them meaningful titles, rather than sandbox-something, you'll know at a glance what each of them are. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@IlEssere: The bottom of your user contributions has a "Subpages" link to Special:PrefixIndex/User:IlEssere/. You can also install User:PrimeHunter/My subpages.js to add the link to the interface. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@IlEssere: You can also use the source editor to put this template on your user page if you want:

{{Special:PrefixIndex/User:IlEssere/|stripprefix=1}}

That creates a list of links to all your subpages, available from your user page. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:35, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

MediaWIki auto-submit edits

For some reason MediaWiki will auto-submit edits, without leaving the preview (on source editor), or giving the "Your edit was saved" notice. This has happened to me at least twice. On my preferences, it is mostly default except for "Show preview without reloading the page", which were on for both the auto-edits. (now I turned it off, since it doesn't even work) Any idea on how to fix the problem? Thanks! Replicative Cloverleaf (talk) 16:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I've never seen this happen before. If you can come up with a repeatable test, then you can report it at Wikipedia:Village pump/Technical.

Is this happening with the Visual editor? I use only the source editor and I have never had anything auto-save. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm on the source editor... Perhaps this was just a illusion of some sorts. Replicative Cloverleaf (talk) 16:40, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Mobile device? I'm just wondering if a touch-screen interface lets you inadvertently touch the "submit" button. I'm on a laptop so I have to physically click on the button with my mouse. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:52, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

No, Chrome on Windows 11... Replicative Cloverleaf (talk) 17:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Replicative Cloverleaf One way to stop this happening is to activate "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary (or the default undo summary)" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing. I don't know why you are hitting the problem. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:35, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Help needed to satisfy review

I was told that my contribution might be biased given I'm into automotive area and to seek help to make sure the article can get approved. I'd love any help I can get to get the article approved as I've spent considerable time to get it to the area it's at now and would hate that my time is wasted. If anyone can help both completing the document so it can get published and also coach me through any suggestions that I can apply to my writing so I can make other edits in areas I'm passionate about successful.

The page I'm looking help on is Draft:CARiD.com

Thanks for your help in advance. Prts-fan (talk) 17:27, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Prts-fan. Your challenge is to establish that the company meets the stringent notability standard Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). This requires references to reliable published sources that devote significant coverage to the company and are entirely independent of the company. GlobeNewswire and Business Wire are press release distribution services and are not independent and are of no value in establishing notability. Routine listings from the Better Business Bureau and the Securities and Exchange Commission are not significant coverage and are of no value in establishing notability. So, seven of your ten sources are of no value in establishing notability, and the other three appear to be routine coverage of funding and acquisitions based on information furnished by the company, and their independence is dubious. I see no independent reporting. Cullen328 (talk) 20:07, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, that helps a whole lot. I'll work on removing those citations and looking for ones that would actually work. Prts-fan (talk) 20:11, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328 I was thinking about Better Business Bureau, I included it because I saw another editor move draft from CARiD.com to Carid. I ended up moving it back and adding that BBB link to make sure it's evident that the actual company name has the .com in it. I also can remove the SEC portions if that is confusing but I cited those to specifically show that those people work at the company. Other than the people listed, I couldn't find who else for sure works there right now. As far as Wikipedia:Notability, I went through the citations and I totally understand and I need help.

I'd love to find some help in this area of digging around because I know there are enough articles they just don't pop up very easily and I need help having them encorporated.

Ex of some just from Seeking Alpha: https://seekingalpha.com/article/4451501-parts-id-amazon-of-automobile-parts, https://seekingalpha.com/article/4438762-parts-id-niche-auto-parts-retailer-with-favorable-setup, https://seekingalpha.com/article/4497566-parts-id-the-long-tail-in-a-technical-niche, https://seekingalpha.com/news/3960917-lev-peker-becomes-ceo-of-parts-id

Ex: Other places, https://www.wsj.com/articles/parts-id-files-for-chapter-11-bankruptcy-12a14b10, https://www.aftermarketnews.com/parts-id-million-financing/, https://www.roi-nj.com/2021/08/31/industry/e-commerce-auto-parts-cranford-based-parts-id-is-growing-revenue-quickly/, https://njbmagazine.com/monthly-articles/parts-id-is-creating-the-ultimate-autoparts-e-commerce-platform/ Prts-fan (talk) 17:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Determining if a source is primary or secondary

Hi! I decided to help out a bit and start editing some articles, and just did the basic suggested edits for grammar and linking pages and such. However, I got my first suggested reference lookup, and I had a quick question before I start editing, since I couldn't find a clear answer in the MoS. I have the article "Paoni 1" in the Coptic Calendar (sorry, not sure how to link in this). I'm looking to add citations for the saint's days and commemorations. I have a source that says one of the commemorations as taking place on this day, but it is directly from a Dioceses of the Church and I am unsure as to if it would be considered a primary or secondary source, and thus if it would be suitable to cite. Could anyonegive me some guidance? Thanks. Exordi (talk) 18:00, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

To link an article, just put it in double square brackets: [[Paoni 1]] results in the link Paoni 1.

A primary source is basically the subject (if it's a person) or any entity associated with a subject. A church publishing information about its own calendar would be a primary source. You can still use a primary source if attributed properly, as in "According to XYZ, ....". ~Anachronist (talk) 18:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Help in " Declined Biopic Article submittion

I posted an article on my Own Bio & on achievements I have done . the article was rejected and below were comments, can anyone help me improve and correct the errors so its published .

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia. This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject. 94.203.149.107 (talk) 20:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Sibtain, and welcome to the Wikipedia Teahouse. You appear to have done a lot in your life - many of them good things that have benefited others, too. There are millions - possibly billions - of such people around the world like you who have done similar good things.

The problem you face here is that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia of 'notable topics', and we have specific criteria that defines what notability means. In essence, we need to see at least three independent, detailed and in-depth articles written in mainstream media or books and magazines about you before those criteria are met. You can read these essential criteria HERE.

So, I'm not going to go into finer details of how to improve the draft article you have written about yourself because, without those sources, there can be no article about you. Nor indeed about me, either.

In addition, we never encourage anyone to attempt to promote themselves or write about themselves here, because they clearly have a very strong conflict of interest (see THIS EXPLANATION and THIS ADVICE). If you truly meet our notability criteria, then it is best to leave it some another editor to use those sources and write an article about you, based upon them. Your own youtube videos, brief biographical notes on a conference programme, and articles in insdier magazines are simply not sufficient to justify an article about you. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:00, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

How do write a Wikipedia article about someone from scratch

Hep Mileswife (talk) 21:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Mileswife, and welcome to the Teahouse.

This may not be a welcome answer, but generally the answer is the same as the answer to "How do I win a tennis tournament from scratch?" or "How do I build a house from scratch?": First learn the necessary skills.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 21:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Please see "Where do I write a biography?", above. -- Hoary (talk) 21:43, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

AfD?

The last musician I placed up for AfD was actually notable. It was the page that was in such a mess that one could not decipher notability. However, I just stumbled upon this musician: Peter Andersson (musician) and their project page Raison d'être (band). Once again I am faced with the question: is this musician and their work notable for inclusions at WP and their pages just very poorly written / sourced (I am always amazed when I see the lengthy History of edits by WP editors contributing) or are they just using WP as a personal promotional resume platform? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 17:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

If you can't find significant coverage of either the person or the band in reliable sources, then propose them for deletion. Peter Anderson looks like it might even qualify for speedy deletion under WP:A7 because it makes no credible claim of notability. If it turns out the band is notable (they might be if all those CD releases weren't self-published but came from an actual notable record label), then the Peter Anderson article could be converted to a redirect to the band article. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:50, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

The "band" is Peter Anderson solely. I could not find any label associated with musician. Maineartists (talk) 18:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I see it's been tagged for AFD, but there is no discussion page. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hm. Is this not correct: AfD Peter Andersson (musician), AfD Log 2024? Did I miss a step? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 18:52, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

It's working now. I must have seen the AFD header before you submitted the discussion page. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Issue regarding an IP user

Hello, so recently there is currently an incident in List of diplomatic missions in Sri Lanka because an IP user (he has two IPs) keeps on edit warring the page. Despite some of his disruptive edits being undone, he keeps on coming back, even breaking the 3-revert rule while not discussing it in the talk page. A few days ago, I have added a topic to the Administrators' noticeboard regarding him and his really bad actions on Wikipedia including his alt. but so far, it seems that like no admins have paid attention to my topic. Is there another way to get the IPs blocked instead of contacting a recently active admin? Or should I be more patient until an admin potentially replies to my topic (the User CMD is probably not an admin)? Underdwarf58 (talk) 12:10, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I HOPE HE ISNT USING MY IP OR IM GOING TO CRY BECAUSE I MIGHT BE EVEN BANNED FROM READING WIKIPEDIA PAGES IF I DONT LOG IN MY ACCONT. DANiHeARTz. .MEE (talk) 12:59, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I checked his IP and he's Indonesian, not Filipino Underdwarf58 (talk) 13:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Underdwarf58: I have semi-protected the article for 10 days. If an article is being disrupted by multiple IP addresses or newly-created accounts, or if disruption resumes after the protection expires, report it at WP:RFPP instead of here.

Thanks for the semi-protection, but that's not my main point. My main question is how can I get the two IPs banned instead of going to WP:ANI or contacting an admin?

Underdwarf58, I am an administrator and we do not indefinitely block IP addresses. Semi-protection is the correct solution when IPs disrupt a specific article. Cullen328 (talk) 23:40, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

But look at the edit history of both IPs. He has vandalized a lot of articles here and there. Underdwarf58 (talk) 23:42, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Getting an Article declined, Even though there isn't a currently existing article for that thing

I was making a Wikipedia listing for a Smaller Soccer (Football) Club in America, Around 3/4th division i think, and there was No article for it, so i decided to research up on it, And then i used the (small) findings to attempt to make a wikipedia around it, It got declined, It conflicts me, Why would it be declined if the one having declined it has no intent to contribute to the subject, Or if one hasn't been made since the start of wikipedia (which is like, a long time ago), So i am wondering why it was declined? Poliosisisd (talk) 02:52, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

@Poliosisisd: Welcome to the Teahouse! The reasoning for the decline was shared on your talk page: the topic of your draft wasn't shown to be notable because it lacked multiple reliable and independent sources providing significant coverage of the club. If your "findings" were only "small" as you put it, the subject simply may not be notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Not everything that exists in the world needs an article here—Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 02:57, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the info!, It ended up on the Simple English wikipedia, which is cool, Thank you! Poliosisisd (talk) 00:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

JD Vance

Why have many of his awards been removed!!!!!! SHAME no one trust this site anymore, BIAS

24.101.92.191 (talk) 01:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

This is being extensively debated on the article's talk page. If you have any new arguments to add (not just repeating other complaints), that's the best place for it. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 01:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Submitted a draft for a new article; feeling anxious about approval

Here's the draft: Draft:Dirty Elegance

I want to create an article for the somewhat obscure musician "Dirty Elegance", but I'm not sure my draft has enough wikipedia-approved sources. This is primarily due to the fact that there is hardly ANYTHING out there about this dude, which is probably why there isn't an article about him already. Any recommendations on edits I can make? Theguy002 (talk) 04:51, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Theguy002 if there is hardly ANYTHING out there, they are likely not notable. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 05:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Should've figured. At least I found this cool now-defunct website:https://web.archive.org/web/20071001103802/http://dirtyelegancenyc.com/

Live and learn Theguy002 (talk) 05:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, I give you credit for your pragmatic attitude. Cremastra (talk) 02:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Respecting people s work

Hello everyone,

I am a newcomer... maybe not for long. I do not know everything about everything... but I do master some topics well and so then when I see something I want to contribute. I just had 2 articles that I tried enhance one about a flying car where REDACTED403 deleted my contribution and one about virtual tour where Sam Kuru deleted my contribution.

• Moller M200G Volantor
• Virtual tour

The task I received from wikipedia was to update the articles because they were outdated. I did so. - The article about flying car was talking about things from more than 20 years ago. Meanwhile that company went bankrupt and seemingly had received funds from a Chinese company and they are busy building things. A lot of information on the website of the inventor of that flying car. I added the reference. It was deleted. - The article about virtual tour is also outdated. I added a part about the metaverse and the new technologies... which is the evolution of the virtual tour today. I "quoted" a sentence of this article in wire and used it as reference: https://www.wired.com/story/what-is-the-metaverse/ I also corrected some mistakes in the old article and found some references and citations. All was deleted in one click saying I am doing copyright issues. I guess it is about the quote from the article. Fine then I can change that, even find other sources and so. Nonetheless the subject is there and correct. It was simply all deleted and now the article is still outdated. I tried to go back to fix it. I am not even allowed to edit it anymore! Now among the information there was a fun fact related to Queen Elizabeth II and it needed a reference. It took me a while but I found it: https://www.historyofinformation.com/detail.php?id=4082

---> RESPECT PEOPLE S WORK! I might be new here but I do things consciously and respectfully. I spend a lot of time searching and looking up before I write or change something. And what I get is simply: DELETED. Of course I am not as experienced as all of you here and for sure I can make mistakes yet my sources were good sources and I have my university degrees. Without a proper detailed explanation and a chance to fix my mistake how can I learn for future? At least whoever deletes it should rework the full article do the research him/herself and make it better. Own your actions! Also maybe do not delete everything... but a part. Or send an alert or so to tell whoever updated the information to adapt it better.

So what now? Was that my short contribution to wikipedia? Will I get answers here? My first time I message here. At least I will be able to say I have tested all parts of wikipedia. I have to admit that right now I have a very bitter feeling!

Thank you everyone for the patience. Solutions? The Art Collector (talk) 15:38, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

It looks like part of the problem here is copyright. You say on your talk page "You deleted it because I used a sentence from the article of wired? [...] It was a good summary to bring the content up to date." No matter how good a summary it is, it is still a violation of copyright and plagarism, which isn't allowed on Wikipedia, or anywhere else for that matter. The key is to rephrase it. For example, if I'm citing a source that says:

Nicole Sumner was born in Paris in 1967, but moved to England with her family three years later. There she graduated from the University of Birmingham with a degree in astrophysics.

Instead of just copying that, I might write:

Sumner was born in Paris, France in 1967. Her family immigrated to the United Kingdom in 1970, where Sumner attended the University of Birmingham. She graduated with a degree in astrophysics.

16:20, 11 August 2024 (UTC) Cremastra (talk) 16:20, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes thank you. I understand plagiarism as copying without mentioning, that is why I thought we put the reference. But yes of course I understood that now, so will change as the example you give. I have no problem with making mistake and fixing them... my issue is the way it is simply deleted without a patient explanation for new comers... and also now if I want to fix it I cannot. Somehow I cannot edit that article anymore. So how do people learn doing a good article if we cannot see through the article we took under our wing?

Also fine to have it deleted if then it is at least updated... but no, the article is still not updated as it should and so everyone is frustrated. I am frustrated because my work is deleted entirely (even the parts that are not related to copyright) and I am not allowed to fix it, the person that checked is frustrated because I complain and must think he/she doesn't want to lose time explaining to a newbie like me, you are frustrated because you have to go through reading my complaining and the user/reader is frustrated because the article is not properly updated. :-( The Art Collector (talk) 16:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Plagiarism and copyright violation are different things, The Art Collector. Plagiarism means taking credit for someone's writing as your own, without crediting them, whereas copyright violation happens when you reproduce material (beyond brief quotes that are within the limits of fair use) without the permission of the copyright holder. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:35, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

thank you! well explained! Yes learning from my mistakes. All good now. Thank you again The Art Collector (talk) 09:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@The Art Collector First of all, welcome to the Teahouse!

I'm afraid it can be initially frustrating when, in all good faith, you try to improve an article, only to have your first few edit undone (=reverted). We've all of us gone through those frustrations (usually caused by us not fully appreciating how this site works, and the rules everyone expects us to work to).

I think you've encountered the situation where you've gone and found sources of new information and added information to an article without actually citing that source in your edit. So anyone else who reads it has no idea whether it's your personal opinion, or is actually based on a good, Reliable Source. Adding a citation is really important, though we do tend to be very wary of user-generated websites as sources, preferring more definitive or academic sources. For example, I'm not sure whether myheritage.nl falls into that category. But if you can cite books, academic periodicals or museum websites, that would give your edit much greater credibility, with less chance of a 'revert'. Unless it's a straight copyright violation from another website, your edit, even if reverted, will always be present via the 'View History' tab for that article. So, it's easy if you do get an edit undone to go and find a source to add and use your same text again, rather than starting afresh.

I think at least one of the messages on your talk page was from an automated bot, which always sounds impersonal. But we all utilise them because there are relatively few active editors and over 6.5 million articles to maintain and improve. Leaving individual messages can be incredibly time-consuming, so many other volunteer editors use templated messages to explain what they've done. Please don't take any of the reverts or comments as a personal criticism of you - rather, please see it more as guidance to encourage you to contribute more effectively next time. But, I do agree, that they can come across as rather harsh in some instances (tough love, perhaps?).

Those of us who come out the other side of having some of their first few edits reverted continue to make enormous contributions to this encyclopaedia. I hope this will apply to you, too. So please carry on and pop back here if you want any further help or feedback on anything you've done. Kind regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:49, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

oh thank you for your human reply. yes exactly the feeling I have. thank you for sharing.

Also thank you for the tip of the view history tab. That is great to know after not to have to write the whole thing back. I will look that up. Thank you so much.

Like I explained in a private message I was updating the information. The article is about "virtual tour", we are in 2024 and so since the last years things changed in that field.

It is like if we were talking about book reading and that meanwhile the internet has been invented and we do not update and talk about online libraries and google or amazon selling books online. About the kindle that is a new way to read books. etc...

How do I manage now to edit the article again, without the copyright issue of course?

Thank you so much again for being nice. The Art Collector (talk) 17:00, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Simply try again. See WP:CITE for guidance on citing sources, don't copy text verbatim, and don't even use close paraphrasing, use your own words. Don't add personal commentary or your own view, just summarize what reliable sources say. It is also preferable to use WP:Secondary sources rather than WP:Primary sources.~Anachronist (talk) 18:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

thank you for the help. and the patience to read all the complain I wrote. Well noted yes, now I know for the copy right. See thanks to you all explaining I learn. Someone else also explained about the BRD rules and so. The Art Collector (talk) 22:05, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

How to Add a Game Developers Conference?

Hi everyone, I'm not an experienced editor, but I deeply respect the work you do. I'm trying to add the Central Asia Game Show (CAGS) to Wikipedia, but I haven't been able to get it through moderation yet. I'm not a commercial editor, and the conference itself is more of a charitable initiative than a profit-driven project. Could you please advise me on what I should focus on? I based my entry on other regional game shows, gathering similar information for CAGS, but I might have missed something important. I would be incredibly grateful to find a volunteer who can help me navigate this process. Thank you all for your hard work and for making this world a better place. Best regards, your friend, Ilya Ilia Anufriev (talk) 08:12, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Ilia Anufriev the first thing you should do, as you are one of the organizers of this conference, would be to disclose your COI following the instructions described here.

After you have done that, ask yourself: are there independent, reliable sources, providing in-depth coverage of the event? If there are, add them to your draft article. If they don't exist, the trade show cannot have a page on Wikipedia (or not yet, maybe) as it does not fulfill notability requirements. Broc (talk) 09:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Ilia, and welcome to the Teahouse.

Please remember that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. (Your account is not new but with only 19 edits in your history, you are still a new editor). ColinFine (talk) 09:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I want guidance on how to write a page, Specifically on Baskin park, Dublin

Baskin Park is a stadium holding Drumcondra FC, There is no article on it, so i would like a little bit of help on how formal i have to write, and what sites have copyright free imagery!, I want to write it as when doing a bit of checking (got curious) And i would like to somehow connect that to the D page under the stadium section!, Mostly because I want to make as many football clubs as possible have all the information possible!, Thank you if you reply! Poliosisisd (talk) 00:53, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Poliosisisd, before you attempt (again) to create a new draft (let alone a new article), you should get practice in improving existing articles, making sure that your would-be improvements are greeted as improvements by your fellow editors. The next stage is ensuring that Baskin Park is "notable" (as defined by and for Wikipedia): if it isn't, no article will be possible. -- Hoary (talk) 01:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

thank you also we don't mention the first time Poliosisisd (talk) 01:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Rather than attempting an article about this football statium, consider improving (with text and references) the Home grounds section for Drumcondra F.C.? David notMD (talk) 03:12, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Agree with David - unless there is something really notable about the stadium, if you do create an article, it is likely to be merged into the club article, which you would find rather annoying. - Arjayay (talk) 10:12, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Submission Declined

I just submitted a brand article for publication on Wikipedia. here is the URL (https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/wiki/Draft:Podzay) Can you please let me know why it was declined? I need to do to publish it on Wikipedia Endadora (talk) 10:33, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Draft marked for deletion as spam. Qcne (talk) 10:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Endadora. The reasons have been fully explained to you in the article header and on your talk page. Promotion is not permitted in Wikipedia. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:49, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Podzay Declined, and about to be Speedy deleted. Among other fatal flaws, hyperlinks are not allowed, and content in a draft requires independent references, i.e., not what the company says about itself via own website or press releases or interviews. VERY unlikely that a company founded in 2024 is Wikipedia-notable. David notMD (talk) 11:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Canadian federal election 2025

I came to Wikipedia to check the list of candidates already nominated for the 2025 election, which always includes the dates of upcoming nomination meetings. Not up yet, to my surprise, since nominations are happening weekly. Instead, I find someone has already drafted one, but it was rejected with a snarly note that it was premature to start this article until 6 months before the election date. This is crazy! Most nominations have happened before that date. How can you fix this? Wilfred Day (talk) 21:21, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Wilfred Day, and welcome to the Teahouse. There is nothing to fix. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a news source. Once there has been a significant amount of independent reliably published material about a candidate, or a list of candidates, or any other subject in the universe, then there can be an article about that subject: until then, there cannot. ColinFine (talk) 21:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

But the list of candidates and nominations is a long-standing feature in Wikipedia. The issue is, must it wait until 6 months before the election date? An arbitrary number with no rationale, not applied in previous years. Wilfred Day (talk) 13:45, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Stuck

For some reason, in the training course I got stuck on the last training exercise. Please help. Theincredibleoctupus (talk) 20:00, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Are you referring to this page of Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure ? Cremastra (talk) 02:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah. The popup where it explained stuff got in the way, so I closed that and then I didn't know what to do. Theincredibleoctupus (talk) 14:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah did that happen to you? Theincredibleoctupus (talk) 14:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Zeltweg Air Base

This article was flagged as needing improvement in 2020, but very little has happened since then. However, all along there has been a HUGE PROBLEM in that 75% of the current article is about a disused motor-racing circuit.

For those who think this situation sounds familiar, Silverstone was created on the land that was originally RAF Silverstone, but sensibly we have two separate articles to cover these different aspects.

In the case of Zeltweg Air Base, we have one article trying (very badly) to encompass both stories, although in this case there is some overlap and it seems as if the Austrian Air Force had to shut down operations on days when the motor-races took place. In that period (1957-1969) the airfield was used for ab-initio training, and moving a handful of light aircraft types to another airfield for a short while was probably ok. However in more recent years Zeltweg has become the main airbase for the Austrian Air Force, home to their squadron of Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft. Thankfully the Osterreichring was constructed 'just across the street' back in 1969, so these days there is no conflict between Air Force operations and Formula One race days.

Crowds at Zeltweg Air Base for AirPower 2016

Presumably as a function of having two different infoboxes, the pop-up for Zeltweg Air Base is a diagram of the defunct motor-racing circuit, which is faintly ludicrous, especially if you arrive there via a link on the Austrian Air Force page. That needs to be put right. Is the answer to create a separate article for the motor-racing circuit, and migrate all of the current text across to it? Then we just have the problem of all the pages with links that will need to be re-assigned. Some of this I might be able to do, but equally I might make a complete hash of it.

As they stand, neither half of the Zeltweg article is especially blessed with detail or citations, but I am looking to put that right in due course, at least for the Air Base side of things. A good start would be including this photo showing the crowds at the Airpower 2016 Airshow, which will be on again in 2024 and (get this!) is free-of-charge for visitors. (RIAT 2025 will be £69 per person - ouch!)

WendlingCrusader (talk) 01:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

WendlingCrusader, if that's a yuge problem, then a bigger one is the absence of virtually any material about a military airfield within this article (ostensibly about a military airfield): what very little there is, is not referenced. So I suggest that you start by making sure there's an article's worth of military-airfield-related material, of course reliably sourced, within this. Then think about moving the auto-race material to a separate article. -- Hoary (talk) 03:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, obviously - the original article is dreadfully under-researched. And considering it is such an important base for the Austrians, I am struggling to find solid information on the internet about this location. Maybe it is still covered by their version of the Official Secrets Act? But with some scratching around I will be able to add something I am sure, although even the Austrian Wikipedia article is laced with 'more information needed' tags.

The alternative is that we delete the article completely because we cannot upgrade what little there is to an acceptable standard. I'm sure the Austrians won't mind if their premier airbase simply disappears off the (Wikipedia) map.....

As for the historic motor circuit - I will be honest and say I don't give a fig. That's for somebody else to worry about

WendlingCrusader (talk) 16:42, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

where do I write a biography?

I just joined Wikipedia and have a username and log-in. I have been asked to write a biography for a local musician, but I can't figure out where to start. I already have the info in a word file. J LIV Music (talk) 19:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello @J LIV Music, and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia of 'Notable Things'. So, the first question to ask is "Is your husband a notable musician (as defined by Wikipedia)?

You can answer that question yourself by visiting this set of criteria for notable musicians, or this set of criteria for notable people in general.

Now, if after reading these pages, you genuinely believe your husband will meet our criteria, then we can offer you further advice. But we strongly discourage people to create articles about friends, family or employers, as they are rarely likely to be neutral in their approach to the subject. We require such people to declare their Conflict of Interest (see WP:COI for an explanation) on their user talk page before starting to write about their favourite subject.

If your husband doesn't meet our notability criteria, then no amount of trying will ever get an article here. We recommend using other social media platforms or websites to promote them, as you would have total control over content, which you most definitely would not have here on Wikipedia.

For all new users, we always advise learning how Wikipedia works by learning to make simple improvements to existing articles. Then, maybe some months and a few hundred edits later, you might understand enough of our working practices to know how we operate, and the guidelines and policies we follow.

Finally THIS page gives advice to anyone wanting to create a new article. But please don't ignore the advice I have already given you. If you'd let us know his name and give a few links to the best independent articles that the media have written about him then we'd be happy to offer an opinion as to 'notability'. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Nick.

Although John Livingston has been well-known in the L.A. area for 40 years, we no longer have links to media articles. All I can give you are his websites, www.candlelightclassics.com, www.ShiningAgainAmerica.com, and he has a You Tube page for John Livingston. I have more on his bio, but it is Southern California and Canada. He was known nationally through his CD sales in over 300 gift stores throughout the U.S.

We were told by a multi-media "specialist" that to boost our multi-media presence we definitely needed a Wikipedia page, and she made it sound like anyone could have one.

I'd appreciate any further evaluation you can give as to whether to proceed with submitting. J LIV Music (talk) 22:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

You might want to read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Frankly, it sounds like your specialist is telling you inaccurate things about Wikipedia. MrOllie (talk) 23:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. J LIV Music (talk) 17:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you J LIV Music (talk) 17:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

J LIV MUSIC Your specialist is gravely mistaken. 331dot (talk) 23:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you J LIV Music (talk) 17:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

J LIV Music, if you can't be sure that he meets either this set of criteria for notable musicians or this set of criteria for notable people in general then you won't be able to demonstrate in your draft that he is "notable" (as defined by and for Wikipedia), so no article will be possible and there's nothing further to evaluate. -- Hoary (talk) 00:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you J LIV Music (talk) 17:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@J LIV Music: If you hired that "specialist", you should fire her for giving you unbelievably incompetent advice.

As for John Livingston, see WP:MUSICBIO. Exactly which of those criteria does he meet? If none, then it is not possible to have a Wikipedia article on him. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you J LIV Music (talk) 17:24, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Chemical structures in dark mode

Hi. I have noticed chemical structures are so bad in dark mode (Chrome for Android). Of course, in the desktop version it is the same.

For example, search for Ranitidine in dark mode to see what I say.

But in the bright mode the structures appear very good (black on white background); while in the dark mode they are black on a dark gray background which is a very bad contrast. Aminabzz (talk) 17:40, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Aminabzz; I see what you mean, and I'm not sure how to solve this issue. I also see that this has been brought up in the talk page for the drug infobox previously without a resolution. Since the Infobox drug template is used in several thousand pages, figuring out a way to fix the problem will likely require a discussion about it. I have started a topic for the problem on the infobox's talk page here with some example images so that people involved with developing the template can weigh in. Please feel free to add details of the problem or ideas for fixing it there! nmael^talk 18:53, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Turkish Speedwell

I was looking up this species, and there was not an entry for it (under the common name). Upon further inspection, I found that there IS a stub for "Veronica liwanensis" (Turkish Speedwell)! I do not know WHY the stub did NOT display. I am not very good at editing this type of thing. Could someone please adjust the stub so that it will display under the common name, (as well as the scientific name)? I think it has to do the the number of ' before and after the "term" used as the subject. Thank you. Brohn Jown (talk) 19:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I've created a wp:redirect so that Turkish speedwell -> Veronica liwanensis, if that's what you mean. Cremastra (talk) 19:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

How insert photo?

I have a photograph from the 1930's that I'd like to add to the John P. Noonan article. If there was a copyright, I'm sure it has expired by now. Please walk me through the process to add the photo. Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 14:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Jeff Neuhauser: Hey there! The copyright on a work published in the 1930s would not have expired yet unless it was published without a copyright notice. See c:COM:HIRTLE, and if you determine the image is freely licensed, use the Commons upload wizard. Happy editing! Bsoyka (t • c • g) 15:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me so promptly. I clicked on your links but still don't know how to move the photograph (which I've uploaded to Wikipedia) to the John P. Noonan entry. If you can find it, can YOU add it to the entry?

/s/ Jeff Neuhauser Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 18:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Jeff Neuhauser: I've just added it to the article! See H:IMG for more info on how to use images in the future. Also, I've added information regarding conflicts of interest to your user talk page, and I advise you to read through that. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 18:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the photo. I read through the conflict of interest notes...I've been upfront about my relationship to John Noonan from the beginning. He was my teacher and mentor, deserving of his place in your pantheon, whether I knew him or not. My interest was strictly academic and meant to be a scholarly addition to Wikipedia, as was the entry I wrote for his teacher, Roy C. Knapp.

Best,

/s/ Jeff Neuhauser Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 19:53, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

on rfd notifs

is there a venue or something for requesting admin attention in cases of rfd nominations that result in deletion but have gone unnoticed for a little more than 7 days, or would that just boil down to nagging politely asking one in their talk page? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:21, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Do you mean, the discussion has been closed but the redirect hasn't actually been deleted? Cremastra (talk) 19:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

i mean the discussion not being closed at all cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:46, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Either leave it (it'll get closed eventually, give or take a few months) or add an entry at WP:CR. What discussion is it, out of curiosity? Cremastra (talk) 19:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

for a few examples of rfds that haven't been closed (regardless of outcome, i'm not a professional deletologist to judge those things)

• "super smash bros. 6" (july 18)
• "mystic ruins" (july 22)
• "best year ever" (july 24)
• whatever happened in june 21 (is that a malformed close?)

of those, only two seem to meet the absolute-ish limit detailed in cr, and one might not even count, so eh

thanks cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

scratch that second-to-last line, i thought today was 8/18, meaning only the one that might not count would count if it counted cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Queen Of Psalm 45

What sources are reliable in this version to know? https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/w/index.php?title=Queen_of_Psalm_45&oldid=1238705608 English Mary (talk) 23:45, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

That depends on what you are using the sources for. Many of them are primary sources, which Wikipedia tries to avoid in favor of secondary scholarship, but some may be useful to document the opinions of the authors or the official teaching of a given denomination. There are also lots of other problems with this text, including POV issues and level of detail, which are why I dropped a lot of it when merging into Psalm 45.

If there are important facts with reliable sources, we can add them into Psalm 45, but keeping one article means we don't have to explain the context twice. This obviates the need for the "Narrative" section in the old version you linked.

To take just one section, for example, I'm not sure what "In the vision of Saint John" even means when it says "Some claim that Saint John saw the event of the Assumption in Psalm 45." I don't think The Catholic Defender Blog is a reliable source for the official views of the Catholic Church, and I'm not sure this unclear connection being made by one random person is notable enough for an encyclopedia. -- Beland (talk) 00:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

@Beland, But how which sources could be reliable in the article Queen of Psalm 45? Does the article Woman of the Apocalypse have primary sources? English Mary (talk) 13:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, for example, vatican.va is certainly a reliable primary source for Papal pronouncements, and it was carried over into Psalm 45. We can assume these represent and would report them as official teachings of the Catholic Church, though it is usually good to also get the perspective of a secondary source in case there are contradictions of what different parts of the church are teaching, or if it has changed over time.

Woman of the Apocalypse has a lot of primary sources. It could use more secondary sources and also secular perspectives and information about authorship and intended audience of Revelation. -- Beland (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Beland, were there also secondary sources in Queen of Psalm 45 before its merger? Is it also possible to start the article over in a draft? since another user suggested it to me on my talk page. English Mary (talk) 21:24, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

list of ethnic slurs

from what i understand of wikipedia policies, the list of ethnic slurs doesn’t seem to meet criteria for an article. i’ve read what i can about deletion, but i have a hard time navigating wikipedia’s help articles and wanted to ask here - am i totally off base in thinking that the list of ethnic slurs doesn’t meet criteria for an article, or should i try to initiate a request for deletion? i remember in the past seeing articles edited or deleted to remove simple lists of words/examples, but the fact that i can’t find anyone else discussing this issue on the talk page for list of ethnic slurs made me question my impulse to nominate for deletion. Morayeeeel (talk) 20:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Morayeeeel: Welcome to the Teahouse! Lists have their own notability criteria, basically saying a list topic is notable if it has been discussed as a group by reliable sources. I haven't actually looked over the references at List of ethnic slurs, but for such a common topic, I would very easily assume it's notable under those criteria. Also, while this isn't a valid argument in a deletion discussion, that page has been edited over 15,000 times by ~5,400 editors and has been viewed almost 25 million times. For such popular pages, it's generally easy to assume that if the topic weren't notable, someone else would have brought it up by now. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 20:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Also, looking into the history here more, there have been several deletion discussions about this list in the past, resulting in keeping the article. See September 2004, December 2004, March 2006, August 2006, and September 2007. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 20:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Is the subject "a thing"? Well, A. A. Roback's A dictionary of international slurs (ethnophaulisms) was published in 1944 and widely given serious reviews (and reemerged in 1979); so probably it is, yes. -- Hoary (talk) 21:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

My account globally locked

Please help me. I am Junurita. Why was my account globally locked when I didn't do anything? 2402:800:6296:2B58:8473:4A6F:FCE0:9B2E (talk) 23:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

This is not the right place to discuss this, and doing so is evasion of your lock. Email stewardswikimedia.org to appeal the lock, per meta:Global locks. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 23:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I sent the question to the meta admin via email. But I'm still confused about this. 2402:800:6296:2B58:8473:4A6F:FCE0:9B2E (talk) 00:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

CC: @EPIC. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 23:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Do not continue with your block evasion. It simply makes matters worse for you. Cullen328 (talk) 00:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

COI

Hi! I wrote my first article about a college and was promptly told it's COI and the article was put into DRAFT. How and where do I disclose COI on the DRAFT and submit it for review / Article for Consideration so it goes live? Step-by-step instructions would be helpful please. I'm using the VisualEditor. Thanks for your help. LaurenLL (talk) 18:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Just write a note on your user page User:LaurenLL describing your conflict of interest. A simple statement saying "I have a conflict of interest with ______" (whatever the subject may be) is sufficient.

WP:AFC is the only venue Wikipedia offers for an editor with a conflict of interest to get an article published. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:25, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I added a note on my userpage and a note on the talk page of the article. Now, how do I submit the draft to AFC please? LaurenLL (talk) 18:52, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

You did submit it, but if you don't improve it before a reviewer sees it, it would be declined. I left a comment near the top, which you apparently ignored. The draft is far from being ready for publication. It is not neutral, and it doesn't cite sources that comply with WP:Golden Rule (or if it does, there are too many extraneous trivial-mention sources or primary sources getting in the way of a proper review). ~Anachronist (talk) 01:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

At Draft:Cory Grosser, you appear to be claiming that you took the photo ("Own work") in 2016, but it is listed as copyright protected in ref #1 Cumberland Furniture. David notMD (talk) 03:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Anachronist I'm sorry but what did I ignore? It wasn't intentional, please clarify. (And, yes, you're right that I should have made my improvements before resubmitting (ha) but I got some helpful feedback!)

@David notMD I wasn't sure how to do the image. It is from Cumberland so I referenced it in the caption (but that wasn't an option when I uploaded the image?) What is the correct thing to do here please? LaurenLL (talk) 16:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@LaurenLL: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1232. If the image satisfies the non-free use criteria then it can be uploaded locally to the English Wikipedia through the file upload wizard. That should probably wait until the draft leaves draftspace, though. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thanks @Tenryuu so you are saying that I should delete it from the draft and add it when the article gets moved to the mainspace?? LaurenLL (talk) 17:45, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

FYI = Presence/absence of images does not factor into whether a draft is accepted or not. David notMD (talk) 03:50, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I need some one to help me add My employer's company on wikipedia,

I need some one to help me add My employer's company on Wikipedia, if available at contact me on [redacted] or my email Kyereta Pius (talk) 14:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Kyereta Pius: Please see WP:BOSS. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:12, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

(ec) Hello, Kyereta Pius, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I'm afraid that, like many people, you have a fundamental misunderstanding about Wikipedia.

Wikipedia's needs are not the same as your needs.

Wikipedia wants an article on your employer only if the company meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - most of the thousands of companies in the world do not meet these criteria.

If at some point there is an article about your company, the article will not belong to your company, will not be controlled by your company, will not necessarily say what your company would like it to say, will not be for the benefit of your company except incidentally, and may be edited by almost anybody in the world except employees and associates of your company. Please see an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.

Note that there are people around the net who will claim that they can "put you on Wikipedia" if you pay them. Most of them are scams. Any honest ones should tell you what I have told you above.

Basically, Wikipedia is not for anybody to promote or advertise themselves. If you company is truly notable (by Wikipedia's standards) then eventually somebody unconnected with it will write an article about it. I advise you to concentrate on channels for promotion that you do have control over, such as your own website or Facebook page, and forget about Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ColinFine (talk • contribs) 14:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, not to be authors or co-authors. David notMD (talk) 03:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Page for Dean Adrian Rossouw

I got some one to create a page but if I search , I get Dean Rossouw the rugby player but not his page https://w.wiki/Ap5W Dean Adrian Rossouw Annelene Rossouw (talk) 16:26, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

That link takes us to another user's sandbox it is not an article and has no sources so could not be accepted, I hope you haven't paid for that! Theroadislong (talk) 16:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I did

Thank you so much for your feedback

How do I create a page for Dean Adrian Rossouw Annelene Rossouw (talk) 16:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I fear you have been scammed. Theroadislong (talk) 16:52, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

How do I create a page for Dean Adrian Rossouw Annelene Rossouw (talk) 16:53, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Without the required sourcing, you cannot. MrOllie (talk) 16:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Annelene Rossouw: Hey there! Put very simply, please don't. See our rules around conflicts of interest, which say you should generally stay away from articles you're connected to due to inherent biases in your writing. Based on your username, I assume you're a family member of Dean, meaning you should avoid creating that article. Also, Wikipedia having an article about Dean isn't necessarily a good thing. As for the scam you may have been affected by, I advise you to read WP:SCAM and forward any communications regarding creating that article for pay to paid-en-wpwikipedia.org. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 16:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't think I am scam I know the person I think he didn't know how. Annelene Rossouw (talk) 17:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I suggest you request a refund. Theroadislong (talk) 17:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you

Dean Adrian Rossouw is a professional rugby player Annelene Rossouw (talk) 17:08, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Regardless of whether it was a scam, the rest of my message still stands: please don't try to create an article about Dean. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 17:05, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

thank you I understand Annelene Rossouw (talk) 17:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

As noted above, appears an editor has created content about DAR in their Sandbox: User:Stormtroop2/sandbox. This does not begin to resemble article format, is unreferenced, and contains two images that might be copyright protected even though Stormtroop2 claims having taken these photos ("Own work"). David notMD (talk) 04:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Inserting photos in teahouse posts

No problem.

Hi. Some teahouse posts need photos; because they are about bugs, errors, etc. So isn't it better to be able to insert photos in these posts? Aminabzz (talk) 18:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Aminabzz: Hey there! Editors have the ability to use images at the Teahouse just like any other page on Wikipedia. See Help:Pictures for more. However, I disagree that all posts about errors/bugs need photos, when copying and pasting whatever text is relevant works just as well, if not better. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 18:42, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the picture. Aminabzz (talk) 20:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

An approach I've seen some people use it to upload an image to a site like Pastebin, and then link to it (external links are permitted on project pages like this). ColinFine (talk) 20:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Pastebin doesn't do photos, but yes to this with sites like Imgur. Also, screenshots of Wikipedia are generally freely licensed, so editors can alternatively upload them to Commons if they're familiar with the process. (See c:Template:Wikipedia-screenshot.) Bsoyka (t • c • g) 20:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I found imgbb.com to be the easiest and fastest to use. Ca ^{talk to me!} 05:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Supporting a new editor

Hi, can anyone support Cwayne5 (talk · contribs), who is trying to update Valerie Austin? They have offline sources they want to add; they also have a conflict of interest, but if they can be supported to edit neutrally and add reliable sources that would be a good thing. I'm not getting anywhere with them. Tacyarg (talk) 10:43, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I left a note on Cwayne5's talk page to confirm that a COI exists, and that instead of attempting for a fourth time to add unreferenced content to the VA article, that the proper path is to propose the new content - with references - on the VA Talk page (and to declare their COI on their own Talk page). David notMD (talk) 11:13, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, David notMD, I appreciate it. Tacyarg (talk) 11:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

"The late (so and so)"

I've seen an IP user repeatedly adding "the late" prior to the passing mention of people who are apparently deceased. I suspect this is contrary to MOS, as not only does it seem slightly non-neutral, but it would impose an inordinate burden to modify all pages mentioning a given person any time someone passed away. However, I can't find a style statement pro or con this position. Can you tell me where to find this particular statement? Also, any suggestions as to HOW to search for something like this could be helpful in the future. Thanks. Al Begamut (talk) 22:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

An excellent question, Al Begamut. I went looking for the answer and entered a congeries of feeble advice, often with praise for that silly book The Elements of Style. (Incidentally, I recommend "died" over "passed away".) For "the late" occurring in, say, Category:Nepalese musicians, try this (which will also bring you examples of what you don't want, such as "the late 1960s"). You can get to it by searching for "the late" (with quotation marks) and specifying Category:Nepalese musicians. (Category:Musicians would be unworkably voluminous.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:49, 12 August 2024 (UTC) .... PS pinging Tony1, who might know. -- Hoary (talk) 23:53, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hoary: MOS:EUPHEMISM is the relevant guideline that instructs "died" over "passed away". DMacks (talk) 00:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

It is, DMacks; and thank you for the reminder. But I don't think that any of the categories of verbiage covered in that page quite covers "the late", which often (as in "the late Lou Reed", etc) doesn't add any meaning at all. (The page approaches it with "The construction then-President Nixon is often superfluous".) Incidentally, what I find odd is Wikipedia's pandemic of "located", which I imagine results from some bizarre notion that plain "be on the Oregon Trail" and "be next to the Municipal Library" would be unseemly, whereas "be located on the Oregon Trail" and "be located next to the Municipal Library" somehow have the dignity befitting an encyclopedia. -- Hoary (talk) 08:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I remember a WP discussion about this about 6-8 years ago, which I can't find. I do recall the argument was that "Late" should be added as a "term of respect", which was countered by calling it an honorific, which should not be allowed (although it does not appear in the MOS:Honorific guideline). I have understood that it is generally only used for a short period after death, we don't call everyone who is dead "late", but I can't find a reference for that either. - Arjayay (talk) 10:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Hoary, Arjayay [and I *think* this is the way to mention users in this context, but please correct me if there's a more appropriate method]: Thank you. Regardless of the preferred style for text that indicates that a person is dead (or no longer occupies the relevant position, to state it more generally perhaps)... my point is that, as it's unworkable to add whatever text ("the late", "then-") to every passing mention in every article of such persons (as all is transient), and since such a prefatory signal adds no information (that could not be added by a subordinate clause, where truly important to the meaning -- save, of course, text in which the discussion of said passing is natural, as contrasted from the making of drive-by "corrective" edits), I suspect that the MOS:EUPHEMISM point noted above ("The construction then-President Nixon is often superfluous") comes closest to the issue. I respectfully suggest that, if it doesn't exist, a discussion leading to the addition of such a point be begun.

Given my posture, though, anyone think I should *not* go ahead and revert these changes (adding "the late" in the manner I described) where I feel it unnecessarily complicates and does not improve, if not minutely reduces, the reading quality of these articles? Al Begamut (talk) 13:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Al Begamut, I believe that not using "the late" is basically Wikipedia standard, for the reasons you outline and the discussion that Arjayjay recalls. So reverting it would be returning the page to the status quo; if the editor who added it disagrees, they are as always welcome to begin a talk page discussion. If they are a new editor, it would be polite to leave a note on their talk page to explain your reversions, and if they aren't new they are probably best advised to head to the Village Pump for wider discussion about whether we want to add "the late" to recently deceased people. Although I must say adding it and then, presumably, removing it again after a set amount of time - or going through every single article on Wikipedia to add "the late" to every single mention of a deceased person - the logistics boggle the mind. StartGrammarTime (talk) 11:45, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Editing Question(s) on my Sandbox; just trying to learn.

Hello! So in my sandbox (User:BOITOTHEBOI/sandbox), I have a thought-out article of mine. I just mainly need some help with the citations/WP:YOUTUBE part of my article. What are your guys' suggestions moving forward with the article? What should I change? How could I make it better? Is it decent for my first time? I know some of the content shouldn't be there (I think?) (And if this isn't the place where I'm supposed to ask this, please just let me know.) I don't mean to bother or disrupt anything. BOITOTHEBOI (talk) 03:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello @BOITOTHEBOI,

From a cursory reading, your article is a decent first attempt. By the standards of a fandom wiki article, it is incredibly well written. However, Wikipedia policies require an article to meet specific standards in order to be accepted. Your article does not meet the general notability guidelines, as it relies far too heavily on WP:PRIMARY sources. Even with a separate Primary Sources section, most of the sources in the main references section are primary.

If you can find a reasonable number of WP:RELIABLE, WP:SECONDARY, WP:INDEPENDENT sources discuss iHasCupquake in some detail, I would recommend writing your article from the ground up based on the information therein. (WP:RSPS may be of use.) If the information in all the RSI sources you can find is insufficient to create a whole article, the subject may simply not be notable.

For reference, compare the article on Yahtzee Croshaw before I started working on it to my overhauling of the article. Note the latter draft's use of professionally published writing (independent from the subject of the article) as its main reference pool, with minimal use of primary sources.

Additionally, if you happen to be a fan of iHasCupquake, I would recommend familiarizing yourself with the concept of WP:FANCRUFT as well.

Best of luck in your endeavours. — Toast for Teddy (talk) 05:42, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

BOITOTHEBOI, you have a lot of references like this: {{Cite web |title=Husband vs. Wife |url=http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLR44pzd1Ewa7eiLEP7obCrb5F-NvwF0KU |access-date=2024-08-06 |website=YouTube |language=en}} -- but for each such video, who wrote (or otherwise "authored") it, and who published it via Youtube? See Wikipedia:Video links#Example citation format. -- Hoary (talk) 11:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Image copyright Issue

Dear Teahouse, I have edited Mr. Takele Uma Benti Takele Uma Banti page and changed his profile page with current picture but your team removed by sending a copyright issue. However, the picture is free from copy right and no one has the right of copyright, can you review and please resolve the issue.

Thank you Maineditor2024 (talk) 13:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Maineditor2024 The article now has a suitably-licensed image. There are several other issues which you could discuss on its Talk Page at Talk:Takele Uma Banti. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:03, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Dear Mike Turnbull, I used an images which are not owned by any copyright owners, it's a free image and you can get from the owner of the wiki instagram private accounts, other sources are used from his private sources, therefore it's a free and can be used on wiki. Please kindly understand the country (Ethiopia) copyright situation and publish the latest information, otherwise the old version has so many wrong informations and it's very outdated and can't be used as recent information, you can check when was last updated. Maineditor2024 (talk) 14:08, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Maineditor2024. C:Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/Ethiopia quotes the relevant Ethiopian law as saying "The economic rights relating to a photographic work shall be protected for 25 years from the making of the work", which seems to invalidate what you say above.

In addition, it says "Note that any work originating in Ethiopia must be in the public domain, or available under a free license, in both Ethiopia and the United States before it can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons." ColinFine (talk) 16:04, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Also, you need to cease uploading images of the subject that was clearly taken from the web. Just because the image is publicly available doesn't mean it is in the public domain. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 14:04, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Any idea why my talk page has stopped archiving?

I recently set up Lowercase sigmabot III to archive my talk page after 14 days, and it looks like it worked on Aug 10 but then hasn't since. Between then and now, I haven't made any changes to the config templates at the top. Something I've missed in the documentation, or is something tripping it up? Bobby Cohn (talk) 15:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

You're using User:MiszaBot, which is deactivated. Change the template to use Lowercase sigmabot instead. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Woops, I'm mistaken. I'm using the same thing, it should still work. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bobby Cohn: You might try changing the counter to 5. It is possible that your archive 4 is already maxed out in size and the counter didn't increase. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I know the archiving instructions are unchanged since it last archived but you could try to follow "The bot expects ..." at User:MiszaBot/config#Setting up archiving and see whether it helps. PrimeHunter (talk)

Reliable sources question

I have gone through several revisions of Draft:Aliasing_(factorial_experiments), based on comments of reviewers. The latest review (31 July 2024) is this:

 This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

A previous reviewer had the same comments (I assume it's boilerplate), but in that case I worked hard to respond to the comments, so I am puzzled. To clarify things, I wrote the latest reviewer the next day for clarification, pointing out that my sources are all reliable and easily verifiable. They wrote back, "it may be (sic) that the article is undersourced, I recommend increasing the amount of inline citations to its relevant statement or add more sources."

I wrote the following day:

 Thanks for the quick reply. I'm not sure what "it may be" means here. Is that your determination, or are you unsure? And what would be the target for an appropriate number of inline citations? Or could you give me examples of passages that still need a citation? Please note that I have already increased the number of citations in response to a previous reviewer. I appreciate your assistance here. 

I have not heard back.

I'd like to appeal the decision to decline the article. Is there a way to bump this up to another level of review? Johsebb (talk) 22:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Johsebb. First of all, there is no other level of review. Personally, I do not feel competent to carry out a review myself. However, the Articles for Creation process is entirely optional for established editors like you. You can remove the AfC templates and move the draft to main space. New page patrollers will then evaluate it. Cullen328 (talk) 22:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I don't want to jeopardize my standing, but how exactly did I become an "established editor"? Is it just by having edited other articles?

Also, does Wikipedia have information on "new page patrollers"? I'm not familiar with this, and a simple search in Wikipedia is not leading me anywhere. Johsebb (talk) 16:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I have answered my second question -- I happened upon Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol.

New question: I did not remove the AfC templates before the move, assuming that the move would accomplish this automatically. The article is now Aliasing (factorial experiments). I am having difficulty finding instructions for removing the new templates and the reviewer comments (aside from "take appropriate action"). I would appreciate your help here -- I'm new to this. Johsebb (talk) 17:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Johsebb, your questions seem reasonable (and polite). The reviewer, ToadetteEdit, has found the time to make plenty of edits on other matters since you posed your questions (currently at User_talk:ToadetteEdit/Archive_6#Reliable_sources_question), so the lack of a response surprises me. This draft has been put together over an unusually long time and shows much care; I hope that ToadetteEdit responds here. -- Hoary (talk) 23:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Nazida Syed

I wanted to check if the page I submitted through Talk is properly formatted and suitable for acceptance. I understand that I need to provide additional resources, and I’m working diligently to gather and include them. Could you please advise me on how to ensure everything meets the necessary requirements? SyedFamilyBangladesh (talk) 22:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@SyedFamilyBangladesh: Please link to the page you are asking about. RudolfRed (talk) 23:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

The talk page for FAQs on article subjects is not the right place to submit pages. I've moved the material to User:SyedFamilyBangladesh/Nazida Syed (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). You will need to make the tone neutral before someone requests speedily deletion for being purely promotional.

As for Special:Diff/1240151331 on your user talk, the better way to request changes to existing articles is through the edit request wizard, which will place it in the correct place with a template that will flag the attention of a volunteer.

Hope that helps. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 00:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

SyedFamilyBangladesh, your username suggests that it is used by a family rather than a single person. Please change it, so that each person has exclusive use of a single username. Your username also very strongly suggests a relationship with the subject of your draft. Please read and digest Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. And your draft -- sample

Nazida Syed’s life story is one of resilience, advocacy, and a relentless pursuit of justice. Her journey from being a beauty queen to becoming a prominent activist and entrepreneur serves as an inspiration to many, particularly within the South Asian diaspora. Her work in advocating for domestic violence victims, her contributions to the South Asian community, and her cultural and historical legacy as a descendant of Syed Nasiruddin Sipahsalar have left a lasting impact (none of which is referenced)

-- hardly starts to look like an encyclopedia article. -- Hoary (talk) 02:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Draft Speedy deleted and SyedFamilyBangladesh indef blocked for not being here to improve the encyclopedia. David notMD (talk) 14:44, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

User sandbox draft is still around last I checked; the deleted page was in articlespace at Nazida Syed (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

How can word-of-mouth information be effectively used as a reference?

Hello everyone,

I am currently researching an artist who, while not widely recognized in the mainstream art world, is deeply rooted in subcultural movements.

Due to the artist’s association with subculture, much of the information I've gathered comes from word of mouth, supplemented by a few government documents and publications that support some of these claims.

Recently, I learned that this artist was once involved with political subculture groups and anarchist squats. However, I'm uncertain how to accurately present this information on a Wikipedia page with reliable references to substantiate these claims.

Any advice? IlEssere (talk) 16:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IlEssere , and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that verifiability is a fundamental policy of Wikipedia, so unpublished information may never be cited or used in a Wikipedia article. Sorry. ColinFine (talk) 16:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm fully aware that verifiability is a core policy of Wikipedia, which is precisely why I brought up this topic. I’m curious if there are any ways that word-of-mouth information can be used as a verifiable source. For instance, would writings or documentation such as photos of such information be considered acceptable? I’d appreciate any guidance on this. Thanks! IlEssere (talk) 17:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Effectively, no, there is no way. The only way that word-of-mouth information can be used as a verifiable source is if it stops being word-of-mouth information; which is to say, if it gets published in such a way that it can be considered reliable. Simply writing it down isn't enough, it needs to be published, e.g. by an organization with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:24, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

This is what specialists in oral history do. You would need to get someone with a reputation in that field to take an interest, or have a journalist do so and publish the results. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I've had a similar problem in the past. I can visit in-person a notable winemaker like Mike Grgich (he isn't far from me) and ask him a question about an esoteric aspect of winemaking, and get an answer. His unquestionable expertise makes him a reliable source for that topic. His answer would be verifiable because anybody else could go visit him and ask him the same question, and get the same answer. You could do the same thing asking a Nobel Laurate a question about his/her area of expertise, and anyone could get the same answer. But none of this can be used in Wikipedia unless it's published somewhere. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Yep, you'd have to have him publish it on his website/blog or something like that. Then you could possibly use it per WP:SPS. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:44, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Blogs count as sources? Are all blogs are acceptable as sources? IlEssere (talk) 17:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Blogs count as sources, but generally blogs aren't acceptable unless the blog article is written by a notable person in that person's area of known expertise, or written by a bona-fide journalist. See WP:SPS. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:50, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Sadly, Mike Grgich died last December. Cullen328 (talk) 17:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't realize that. He will be missed. My background is Croatian, like his, and Croatians appreciate his work and support of the University of Davis to trace Zinfandel back to its genetic origins in Croatia. Oddly, that isn't mentioned in his bio article. The picture of Crlenak Kastelanski (the ancestor of Zinfandel) in the article is mine, taken in the vineyard where it was discovered. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Varieties of English

What determines if an article is written in American or British English if it is about a country or topic that is independent from the United States and United Kingdom.

For example, the Russian Invasion of Ukraine article is written in British English, even though the United States is more of a player in the war. Why? Is it determined by vote? Or is it something else? Rc2barrington (talk) 17:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

MOS:RETAIN says, When no English variety has been established and discussion does not resolve the issue, use the variety found in the first post-stub revision that introduced an identifiable variety. As implied in that quote, changes require discussion and consensus. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:04, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

And sometimes it just evolves on its own. Cider is one example, starting out completely in American English, and over time it gradually evolved to be completely British English without any discussion. I noticed this and brought it up many years ago (see Talk:Cider/Archive 1#WP:ENGVAR) but the discussion went nowhere. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Good point. OP may want to take into account the relative (in)effectiveness of such discussions before opening one himself. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:43, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Change name of an article

North East Olympic Games Should to be changed to North East Games, because official bodies changed the name of this sport competition. See:

• Olympic dropped from ne olympic association ne olympic games
• ne olympic association renamed as nesa ne olympic games as ne games
• olympic games changes name
• ioa advisory prompts renaming of north east olympic games body

–– kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 18:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Is there any reason you can't do a move yourself? Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:09, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I was going to do that but it says another page with that name exists. then i entered that page and it was a redirect to North East Olympic Games. so i removed the redirect from there. still can't move by myself.
–– kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 18:24, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, now that there's non-trivial history at the redirect, you're going to have to put in a request at technical move requests. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:45, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

COI

How do I propose a page for someone to whom I'm related Sakultik (talk) 18:25, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

You can list it at Wikipedia:Requested articles if you don't want to write it yourself, or you can use Wikipedia:Articles for creation (AFC) to write it and submit it for review. AFC is the only venue Wikipedia has for a COI editor to write an article.

Be sure to read WP:BACKWARD and WP:Golden Rule. Find your reliable independent sources first before you attempt to write even a single word about your relative. Any other road leads to ruin. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Sakultik (talk) 18:52, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

You have properly declared your COI on your User page and created Draft:Susan Lukas. See Comments and citations needed. Submit it again when you feel it is complete. David notMD (talk) 19:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Can an expert editor help me with updating a wikipedia page?

I need help with editing. 2600:6C50:147F:C5AF:BD7D:ED39:A8B5:1492 (talk) 19:42, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! You're going to need to be a lot more specific to get a reasonable response. What page, what are you changing, why, etc. See also: Don't ask to ask Bsoyka (t • c • g) 19:45, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Regarding lists of solar eclipses

Hello people! I am working on a list of all of the solar eclipses visible from Canada, and I have a question regarding how the list entries are classified. What exactly determines if only a "sliver" of the subdivision was in the path of the eclipse (and would therefore have a dagger next to its entry)? Is it subjective, or is there a concrete definition? Thanks! ✶Antrotherkus✶^✶talk✶ 18:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Antrotherkus, and welcome to the Teahouse. I think it's unlikely anybody here at the Teahouse will have an answer. I suggest asking it somewhere relevant, perhaps WT:WikiProject Astronomy. ColinFine (talk) 19:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Okay! ✶Antrotherkus✶^✶talk✶ 20:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Block on itwiki

I got blocked on it.wiki but my dirsuptive intentions are over. Can I still edit here? Qwerty 9706 (talk) 18:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

yes. English Wikipedia is not connected to Italian wiki. Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^{Dr. Wu is NOT a Doctor!} 18:11, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Actually, that's a no, though not directly because of the itwiki block. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:18, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Per Talk page, Q presently indef blocked as sock at English Wikipedia. Has appealed. David notMD (talk) 19:03, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

That sock-drawer is banned, not just a sock-evasion block for this current one. DMacks (talk) 20:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Review of draft

LEvalyn approved an article I wrote (Harold Sinclair (novelist)) very quickly. I'd like to ask them to look at a similar draft (Draft:Richard Elwell Banta) that has been on hold for four months. Thanks Pbergerd (talk) 10:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Pbergerd, welcome to the Teahouse. If you'd like to contact LEvalyn, you can do so on their talk page, User talk:LEvalyn. 57.140.16.8 (talk) 13:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I looked there first, but did not find an easy way to talk. Do I need to "edit source"? Pbergerd (talk) 14:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

If you're on mobile Wikipedia website, there is an "add topic" on the bottom of the page. On desktop, you'll need to edit source and manually create a new section for your request. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 15:42, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm on desktop, and when I go to that Talk page I have an "Add Topic" at the top, between "Edit", and "View History". ColinFine (talk) 15:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not LEvalyn (or a Teahouse host at all), but I accepted your draft just now (Richard Elwell Banta). Cheers. LR.127 (talk) 23:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Redacting edits from edit history

Hello. Is there a way to strike an edit or edits from the articles edit history? Go to Kansas City Intl Airport article, go to edit history. Is it possible to strike from the edit history 17:19,17:20,17:20 August 14, 2024? I tried to source a PDF but it went to my e-mail. That was not my intention. Would like for those to be deleted. Thank you.Theairportman33531 (talk) 18:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Theairportman33531, welcome to the Teahouse! It is indeed possible to remove edits from an article's edit history. I've done this for you as a precaution. Just so you know, you can find more information, including less visible ways of requesting such things, at WP:REVDEL (which removes an edit from visibility from everyone but admins) and WP:OVERSIGHT (which removes an edit from even admins, used mostly for personally-identifiable information). I've gone ahead and forwarded these edits to Oversight for you, although I don't think there's actually much in the way of sensitive information in their contents. Cheers! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. Theairportman33531 (talk) 18:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Theairportman33531 You might be interested to read This Article. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Making a portal

Hi folks! I would love to make a new portal (for Portal:Peace) but I want to make sure I do so correctly as per WP:MOS.

I feel that a Peace portal is missing because it would connect such varied topics as conflict resolution, interfaith religions, environmental activism, speaking truth to power, world anthems, and other previously disconnected topics. I can think of 10-15 articles and categories off the top of my head that would fit it. No similar portal exists; only a category.

How would I achieve consensus about portal creation? Or can I just WP:BEBOLD and go for it?

If I just go for it, it would be too much to do in one session; so, would it be better to build it in chunks in draftspace, or publish it with an 'under construction' tag? (WP:PORTAL doesn't contain the answers.) Thank you all, Evedawn99 (talk) 20:59, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps, Evedawn99, ask this question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals. -- Hoary (talk) 03:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Hoary! As per your advice, I've asked the question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals. Evedawn99 (talk) 01:59, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

A Few Good Men .. The Actual Participants

40 yrs ago myself and 9 other young Marines in Guantanamo Bay,Cuba made a snap decision to please our commanding officer and while attempting to haze a fellow nonconforming Marine to teach him a lesson things went terribly bad. This decision would change our lives forever. One of our Naval defense lawyers,Debora Sorkin had a brother film school seeking inspiration for a story,his name is Aaron Sorkin. This story served as the base for the hit Broadway play and blockbuster movie "A Few Good Men". I have in my possession official Naval courtroom transcripts and many other documents including video recordings that can factually attest to the actual events. I also have lawsuit documents Vs. Sony Pics, Sorkin, etc. accusing the likeness and plagiarism included in the film. I was hoping someone out there in the Wikipedia community would be interested in helping me get these facts recorded into history. I think once you know the whole story it will be much more interesting than I can elaborate. Thanks for your consideration, Christopher L. Valdez Gitmoguy1 (talk) 03:10, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Both the article about the play A Few Good Men (play) and the movie A Few Good Men include descriptions of the actual event and outcomes and lawsuits. My understanding is that non-public information such as you describe (courtroom transcripts, video, lawsuit documents) cannot be used as references. Is what you want to add so different from what is in the articles? David notMD (talk) 03:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Are courtroom transcripts non-public information? Gitmoguy1 (talk) 01:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Mr. Valdez, thank you for the inquiry. (I am not a moderator, just an editor.) As someone who deeply cares about archiving historical information that changes contexts, I urge you to upload the aforementioned "official Naval courtroom transcripts and many other documents including video recordings that can factually attest to the actual events" to archive.org. After that, they are able to be cited by Wikipedians. You can also post in the Talk pages of the play and movie with links to your documents. I think this would be the most historically accurate way to ensure that your information is added. I personally have cited documents from archive.org, especially searchable 19th century PDFs, in my own research articles. Hope this is helpful. Evedawn99 (talk) 23:24, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your response and the helpful information. I will follow your advice and hopefully be able to accomplish the task. I’ll have to become much more adept with my computer skills but I am determined and will stick with it until the information is available to all.

Thank you again,

Chris Gitmoguy1 (talk) 23:46, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

That is wonderful to hear and thank you! I hope your efforts will improve coverage and factual accuracy.

For your convenience, here is a direct link to uploading on Archive.org.

Your determination to sharing the truth is commendable, and I personally will be wishing you all the best with your endeavor. Evedawn99 (talk) 02:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

genetics

I don't know how to explain but I will do my best, if one parent had a certain feature and another parent had another, how would the child look like? (and how does that all work) 2600:1700:4805:8820:F07C:8A4B:8060:9EA5 (talk) 23:43, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. I can't tell if you have a question or an answer. But the Teahouse is a place for getting help with actual editing. If you want to use this encyclopaedia for yourself, you might wish to read this article: Biological inheritance. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science may be able to help you. C F A 💬 03:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

References.

I am trying to educate people about the Gleb Korablev livestream, but I need more references. I created the draft on PS5. ClassifiedBagel (talk) 05:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

From a cursory google search, I'm not seeing any WP:RELIABLE, WP:SECONDARY sources covering the subject. It seems the subject in question is not WP:NOTABLE. — Toast for Teddy (talk) 05:52, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

This is about Draft:Suicide of Gleb Korablev. David notMD (talk) 10:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@ClassifiedBagel You have re-submitted the draft today a few hours after it was declined by User:Dan arndt, without making even a minor change to improve the obvious deficiencies in sourcing. That will not endear you to the reviewers and wastes everyone's time. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't know how to add references! Most of the sources are from Russian sites. Also, I'm a PlayStation user! Why didn't you tell me how to add references?! ClassifiedBagel (talk) 13:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

ClassifiedBagel See Help:Referencing for beginners and WP:42 for guidance on referencing. Refs do not need to be English. David notMD (talk) 14:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I have doubts that another article about a person committing suicide while live on-line is article worthy even if referenced. David notMD (talk) 14:05, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

So you allow the suicides of Kurt Cobain, Ronnie McNutt and others, but not Gleb Korablev? I get Cobain didn't film his 1994 suicide, but Ronnie McNutt did. Not to mention the level of brutality of both Ronnie and Korablev's. The Ronnie McNutt video is more graphic than the Korablev video. No images are shown, obviously, seeing as Wikipedia wouldn't want to traumatize users. What can I do? ClassifiedBagel (talk) 14:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

ClassifiedBagel Much of the content has no references. David notMD (talk) 03:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Is there a "social space" on Wikipedia?

The Teahouse is the closest thing I could find on Wikipedia to act as a beginner-friendly "lounge" to ask simple questions and not worry about wasting others' time. I was wondering if there's other places like that (I'm dimly aware of IRC channels and Discord servers, though I don't have a Discord account and forget where the official pages and links to them are).

I'm also aware of the historical "host lounge" that used to be in the Teahouse. Is there a social space like the host lounge that still exists, just to hang out and destress? Cheers. LR.127 (talk) 23:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @LR.127, and welcome to the Teahouse. There isn't a place on en.wikipedia for 'de-stresing' and chatting, because we're not here for that purpose, nor do we want to encourage it. See WP:NOTSOCIAL.

Some people do use off-wiki sites, but I can't comment on any of those as I don't visit them. In fact, the only time I did so I was blocked by another editor within minutes for lurking suspiciously (despite being an administrator here!) So I've never gone back. The Host Lounge at the Teahouse was disbanded long ago, once it became self-sustaining, as it was also not necessary any more.

That said, there are many behind the scenes places on Wikipedia where the wok of managing and maintaining this encyclopaedia is done in a collegiate and friendly (and sometimes not-so-friendly) manner, which some may find 'social'. But it's important to stay on track.

So, all in all, I'm inclined to agree with you that the Teahouse is indeed one of the friendliest and chilled-out places on this website. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes, I'm sorry, I couldn't help but laugh to hear you've been blocked as a Suspicious Lurker! @LR.127, links to the chat channels are at WP:IRCT and WP:DISCORD if you haven't found those already. There's also a discord server just for NPP/AfC reviewers if that interests you. -- asilvering (talk) 03:48, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Asilvering Thanks. But I made the decision to stay away from off-wiki stuff. Right now, I see no reason to join any other group. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Why do all new Cyrillic letter pages get declined?

i have noticed that many MANY other Cyrillic letters with no Unicode have been declined as an page. What is the reason for this?, at least we get info from wikipedia. 2001:8F8:1DB8:8B40:888E:2BFF:FE21:48CE (talk) 07:57, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. There is no policy of declining articles on Cyrillic letters. Usually when articles are declined it is because there are not adequate reliable independent sources cited. If you gave us some examples, we might have a better chance of explaining what has happened. ColinFine (talk) 10:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

[Edit Conflict] At the English-language Wikipedia, if a draft article is Declined (which means "not up to standard yet, improve and try again"), or Rejected (which means "not a suitable subject for an article"), the reviewer should state clear reasons for their judgement.

Wikipedias in other languages are independent of this one, and often have different rules, so we usually cannot help or advise you with problems on them.

If you do mean drafts declined on English Wikipedia, please give a link to one or more of them so we can understand in more detail what you are asking about. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.109.53 (talk) 10:04, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Access to suggested articles for editing to attain autoconfirmed status

I have joined Wikipedia and after reading a great deal on how to contribute with a page about a technology company I represent,I'm told I must complete 10 edits to be auto confirmed. Apparently Wikipedia can suggest articles for me to edit, but I cannot find it anywhere. I would appreciate some basic help on how to begin this process, which on the surface, looks highly complex. KNpepper202 (talk) 00:31, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

See WP:Maintenance for an overview of things that can be done and Wikipedia:Task Center for individual tasks. Moxy🍁 00:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Does Special:Homepage work for you? Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 01:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Given "a technology company I represent", you probably want Articles for Creation (for creating a new page) or edit requests (for editing an existing page). You can do either of these without being autoconfirmed. Making substantial edits directly to topics you have a conflict of interest with is usually not a great idea, even when technically allowed. Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 03:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

See also WP:PAID for the requirement to declare a paid status on your User page before starting with Articles for Creation. Also, WP:42 for the need for references that are independent from anything the company has published about itself (website, press releases, interviews, etc.), and finally, WP:NCORP. David notMD (talk) 10:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I can find the templates but don't know how to edit the data

Hi there.

I am trying to update the information on a new Canadian political party that launched yesterday and is running candidates in an upcoming election for the first time.

I am trying to find out how to add the official name, shortened name, links to the party's external site, and its colour that would be displayed in the list of Canadian parties. Also, when I added the candidate's entry to the list of people running in the election, there are no links to the party page and no colour. I have followed links that tell me the template structures to follow, but I can't find where to actually edit the template data for these fields.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks! Evanleibovitch (talk) 07:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Evanleibovitch Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not a voter guide or mere list of candidates/parties in an election, or a place for organizations to tell about themselves. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources say about topics that meet the relevant notability criteria, such as a notable organization. It's doubtful that a political party founded yesterday has received the coverage needed to sustain an article- it is too soon to know its impact. Mere candidates for public office do not merit articles merely due to that, per WP:NPOLITICIAN; they must win their election or actually hold public office.

If you are associated with this political party's apparatus(not merely being a member of the party), that needs to be disclosed, see conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 08:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I am a volunteer assisting the candidate with scheduling but am not in any party leadership or operational staff. Evanleibovitch (talk) 13:14, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Requests for comment

hi Teahouse hosts, I'd like to create a Request for comment for an article. The article is part of a Wikiproject. Could I ask for some assistance about how and when I should do this please? Rockycape (t • c •g) 04:01, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Are you talking about the comment you made yesterday at Talk:Downball? As a note to the Teahouse hosts, the COI editor in question last edited more than half a year ago—Special:Contribs/Nmck2024dba shows nothing after 29 January.

I'm going to make some bold changes to the article. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 10:51, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Teahouse hosts, yes - appreciate it and thanks. Rockycape (t • c •g) 11:38, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

If you're hoping to tap into the WikiProject Australia community (diff), the best way is to just go to Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board and ask them to participate in the existing discussion at Talk:Downball. That's because you want to consolidate and centralize discussions whenever possible, instead of running parallel discussions in multiple places. For example, if you've already asked for help here, you may want to avoid asking the same question on your user talkpage. (; Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 12:09, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Teahouse hosts, apologies as I'm missing something in understanding how to "just go to Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board and ask them to participate in the existing discussion". I'm not sure if I just leave a message like I know how to do on a talk page or whether I need to add a template to the article or something else? Can I ask for more specific instructions and information on when it's appropriate to do so please? Rockycape (t • c •g) 12:32, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

First, make sure you're not WP:CANVASSing – in this case, you should be fine.

You can just leave a message at the noticeboard ("Your project might be interested in this discussion..." or you can use the {{please see}} template. Cremastra (talk) 13:15, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the help.Rockycape (t • c •g) 13:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Need help knowing why article was not accepted

The denial for the article was not said to have not enough published sources. Can someone assist me knowing what I need to do or which edits to make??

Draft:Prince of Peace Painting ArtInspiration4all (talk) 13:38, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

The majority of cited sources are by third-party well-known publications. So I am a little confused. ArtInspiration4all (talk) 13:41, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @ArtInspiration4all: I've just answered this at the AfC help desk; please don't ask in multiple venues, as it wastes volunteer efforts. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:26, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

To make your Draft qualifies for wikipedia article, you also need to do wikilinks too. See: MOS:LINK. for help in wikilinks, See: H:LINK.

–– kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 14:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Article needs rewrite

Hi, the article explosives safety is poorly written, and needs to be vigorously copy-edited to comply with quality standards. Is there a group of people that I can contact to help with this? Thank you, Kurnahusa (talk) 14:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Kurnahusa: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1232. You may be looking for the Guild of Copyeditors, which has a requests page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:49, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Kurnahusa As you say, that article is in a poor state and needs many more citations etc. The GCE probably won't be able to help very much, since they focus on tone, grammar and spelling. You might get some interest if you posted at WT:WikiProject Occupational Safety and Health. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I will try and do as much as I can, and leave the rest for the more experienced :) Kurnahusa (talk) 16:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Please guide me in editing the page

Please guide me in editing the page Raaj1007 (talk) 12:17, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Raaj1007: hi and welcome to the Teahouse! What other sources do you have on Draft:Leo Thaddeus (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)? Thank you, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 12:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

The draft in its current state makes clear that much of the fact content has no references. What you need is what people have written about him, which is more than confirming his accomplishments. David notMD (talk) 14:09, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Raaj1007, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.

Unfortunately, you have done what hundreds and hundreds of other new editors do, and attempted the challenging task of creating a new article without understanding any of the foundational principles of Wikipedia. This is like starting to build a house without surveying the site or checking on legal requirements for building: your house will probably either fall down, or be condemned by the authorities.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 14:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Raaj1007, please be aware that the Times of India is not a reliable source for entertainment topics. Please read Paid news in India and WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Cullen328 (talk) 16:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

two book citation questions

The book citation template has a place to identify the page number that supports an edit. In an article that I’m editing, I’m citing the same book more than once, but different pages support each edit. Is there any guideline that specifies whether to add the citation more than once, in order to specify the different page number that supports each edit, versus just omitting the page numbers and reusing the one citation?

Separately, the article I’m editing has a number of “citation needed” tags for quotes from authors. I haven’t been able to find citations for the quotations, but the same book as above quotes similar content from some of the same authors and provides a citation for each quote. In an academic journal, this would be noted along the lines of “source X cited in source Y.” But I don’t see any way to note this using the book template. Any suggestions? Thanks, FactOrOpinion (talk) 16:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@FactOrOpinion, different editors have different solutions for this. Personally, I like using Template:rp, since it makes really tidy footnotes (you can see it in action on Parson's Tale). Others swear by Template:sfn. I'm less of a fan of this one as a reader, particularly on long articles, but it's very very easy to use as a writer, much easier than rp. (See eg Federated Legion of Women.) You can also make a brand new citation for each separate page, but that's the most annoying of all possible worlds, in my opinion. -- asilvering (talk) 17:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, FactOrOpinion. You can cite the same source multiple times using NAMEDREF, and you can add a page number separately to each citation using {{rp}}.

As for your second question: it is preferable to cite the original source, if you have seen it, but it is acceptable to say "X reports that Y", citing X, as long as you make it clear that this is what X says, not necessarily what Y says. But in such a case you should certainly not directly quote text that you haven't seen. (If Y directly quoted X, you could perhaps include the quote as "X quoted in Y"). ColinFine (talk) 17:53, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both! FactOrOpinion (talk) 18:17, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Using Reference from Swedish Wikipedia

I'm looking for sources on the article Karin Smirnov, and I've found one referencing her birth/death dates I'd like to include (in the Swedish Karin Smirnoff), but I am not familiar with Swedish and don't trust myself to correctly put it in the enwiki article. It seems to be using special Swedish Wiki shorthand (?) preventing me from copypasting the source properly, and I do not want to make this article messy. The Swedish version looks very nice, at least through google translate, but I don't feel comfortable translating over to the english version.

Is there a specific place I can/should reach out for assistance? Sophia(∠θ pr′me) 17:31, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Which reference are you having trouble with? You should be able to just copy-paste the wikitext over to en-wiki directly without it screwing up too badly. Anomiebot will come by soon afterwards to clean it up. -- asilvering (talk) 17:47, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

The wikitext is this: <ref>{{Bokref/Dödbok/2009}}</ref>. I believe it links to a template that doesn't exist on enwiki, at least per my sandbox edit. Sophia(∠θ pr′me) 18:04, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Sophia. If sv:Karin Smirnoff uses templates from the Swedish Wikipedia for its citations, then these probably will not exist in English Wikipedia. There may be equivalent templates, but you will probably have to translate the name of the template and possibly the parameters. If equivalent templates do not exist, you may have to change the call to use existing English templates, or even copy the templates across (this is permitted, but it may require underlying templates or modules which will also need to be carried across). Leaving an article in English Wikipedia with templates in a different language is not a good idea.

I don't know of any resource to do any of this for you. ColinFine (talk) 18:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I was typing my reply to asilvering when you posted this. I may come back to this when I have more time available then, but thank you both very much. Sophia(∠θ pr′me) 18:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Shepworth The simplest approach is to copy the bare url of the reference between ref tags. It can be fleshed out later. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

After looking at the Swedish article: it does not use any citation templates directly inline, but I think the template sw:Mall:Bokref that it uses in the References section is similar to Template:cite book. ColinFine (talk) 18:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Ah, but sv:Mall:Bokref/Dödbok/2009 is a different template, that appears to expand to a piece of fixed text, so you could insert (a translation of) that text directly. --ColinFine (talk) 18:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

You shouldn't need a translation of it - just copying over that wikitext directly should work. Bokref will automatically translate to cite book. -- asilvering (talk) 19:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Yep, it works in your sandbox, @Shepworth. Though I don't think anomiebot will visit your sandbox. -- asilvering (talk) 19:38, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Contributing to an extended protection article

Hi there,

As a part of a university assignment for medical anthropology, I am required to contribute towards a Wikipedia page by adding to a topic relevant to my field. The topic I am working on is Morgellons, a page that is under extended protection. Unfortunately, I have only just signed up to Wikipedia, so I haven't been registered for 30 days or performed 500 edits. Consequently, editing my chosen topic seems nearly impossible at this point. The addition I want to make meets Wikipedia's policies on writing (it is neutral, extremely well cited, etc.), and I would be making it clear that it is a perspective from my specific field.

Is there any way this can be achieved? Are there any alternatives (i.e creating a new sub-page related to Morgellons)?

Any advice or assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Horan8199 Horan8199 (talk) 22:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Horan8199, and welcome to the Teahouse.

It's unfortunate that the article has extended protection - presumably because of the relative contentiousness of the topic. Whilst you will not be able to edit the article directly yourself, we do have a process of making an EDITREQUEST on the article's talk page. Please read that link to understand the process, and the need to offer a clear, well written and well-cited request for addition. I believe you would use the Template:Edit extended-protected, which contains documentation on its use.

You might also wish to add a brief description about yourself to your userpage which explains you are a student on course X at at Y university, aiming to contribute under an assignment to Z article(s).

The only other alternative I could suggest - and it's one I wish more university staff would suggest - is the ability to create a 'dummy article' in your own sandbox which your academic staff could judge directly. OK, it wouldn't ever replace the existing article, but it would be all your own work from start to finish - and thus a great learning opportunity. And parts of it might also be suitable to add to the existing article - perhaps towards the end of your coursework here, or via an edit request as mentioned above. I would suggest discussing that approach with your course supervisor if you think it might help. You are permitted to make any number of sandbox pages (so long as they relate to the purpose of Wikipedia!). So, User:Horan8199/sandbox could be the one you might wish to start with. (the hyperlink is red because the page doesn't exist yet, but will turn blue once you start editing and 'creating' that page). You would, in effect, be following the processes outlined at Your First Article and Articles for Creation, albeit without ever completing the processes of submitting a draft into the mainspace part of Wikipedia because a page on that topic already exists.

Finally, it might be worth mentioning that course leaders and tutors are able to create a way of monitoring the work of all their students' contributions by enrolling them at https://dashboard.wikiedu.org/ It's not essential, but it's a good way for tutors to support student work. If you have any further difficulties, do feel free to ask further questions here. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:38, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help, @Nick Moyes!

That is all clear, and should help me progress. I will do my best with the information you have provided and work from there.

Your time is greatly appreciated, and thank you once again.

All the best! Horan8199 (talk) 23:42, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

@Horan8199, can you let us know a bit more about this assignment? What level/year is it, and what country are you in? I assume you won't be the only student experiencing this problem, so I'd like to give a heads up to the folks at WP:EDUN. Depending on what school you're at, we might be able to offer further assistance to your teacher. -- asilvering (talk) 00:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi there, @Asilvering.

I can't believe the amount of assistance I am receiving! Thank you very much.

I am in Australia, attending Deakin University (Victoria), this is a level 2 anthropology unit (medical anthropology). The assignment topic is self selected. I have chosen Morgellons as my topic. It is a group project, and virtually all the work is done (too late to change now, unfortunately!). The prompt was to find a contested topic and edit / contribute to a Wikipedia page from an anthropological perspective whilst adhering to the core content policies of the platform. Essentially, we are not trying to contest or change anything, we are simply required to contribute to the discussion from a viewpoint which is not always present. If I had understood editing factors like extended protection I may have chosen differently, but I am here now.

Thank you for your time and offer of assistance. I appreciate it greatly. Horan8199 (talk) 00:19, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks very much! And honestly, it's probably better that you chose something that was extended-protected. That means your edit will have to be checked by an experienced wikipedia editor, so you don't need to worry about a passing patroller coming down on your head like a ton of bricks for doing something suspicious in a contentious topic area. If you can, warn your fellow students about WP:CTOP if your instructor hasn't already. I understand you to mean "contested topic" in the normal use of those words, but if any of you edit in "contested topics" by the Wikipedian understanding of those words, you can expect to get some alarming talk page warnings. It will all work out in the end! Just keep in mind that when a bunch of people start editing together on something contentious, wikipedia's "immune system" kicks into overdrive. -- asilvering (talk) 00:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Horan8199 Vis-a-vis Morgellons, I recommend you review the archived past proposals for changing the article and/or adding content. There is a LONG history of heated discussions. Much resolves around whether proposed references meet the WP:MEDRS standards. Also, you wrote "...we are simply required to contribute to the discussion from a viewpoint which is not always present." Discusions are what takes place at the Talk pages of articles, not the article proper. David notMD (talk) 02:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, @David notMD.

Thanks for your help. I have gone through the history and found nothing that proposes anything similar to the work I have done (as far as I could see). I have made all efforts to be neutral and not take a 'side', as much of the history demonstrates.

Yes, I did write 'discussion'. I should have been clearer and said 'contribute a valid and supported viewpoint to the article'.

Thanks again! Horan8199 (talk) 02:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Horan8199 In that case, there's absolutely nothing stopping you discussing improvements (either with or without suggested text alternatives) on the article's talk page. That isn't protected in the same way as the article is. Just keep the talk focussed on improving the article, stay polite and reasoned, and avoid wandering off into other off-topic areas, and you should be fine.

In fact, any supervisor ought to be delighted to see a student discussing issues with other editors and backing up those discussions with citations in the talk page. (You can use Template:Reflist-talk at the bottom of any talk page post in which you insert citations. This is really helpful as it keeps the reference list purely within that single topic thread, rather than make all the references simply appear at the very bottom of the talk page, irrespective of what other topics are subsequently added.

I would add that it would also be 100% OK should you simply decide to use your own sandbox for discussing the merits and weaknesses of the article, and for suggesting alternative layout or content. Once you've done that, and your course tutor has reviewed it, you might even find that a simple link to it and a few notes on the talk page could be of use to other editors interested in the article long after you've moved on to other things. Whatever you do - we're always here to help and support keen editors, and we wish you and your colleagues all the best. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:58, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Horan8199 Perhaps for extra credit you and your classmates could improve the Medical anthropology article. David notMD (talk) 09:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

That is an excellent idea. Thanks, @David notMD!

Aside from the research and writing, learning to create the contribution according to relevant guidelines is the most important feature of the project. It is not absolutely critical that the contribution appears on the Morgellons page, specifically (and it is not our intention to create friction in a contentious area). Are you suggesting that our work could contribute to the 'case study' section in the Medical Anthropology section, or perhaps to the section discussion Culture-bound syndrome?

The continued advice from people has been incredible. I never expected this much help. Horan8199 (talk) 09:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I am a biochemist with a focus on nutritional biochemistry, by training and profession (now retired), so cannot offer specific advice as to improving the MA article other than there is a lot of content without references that either needs references and/or needs to be trimmed. I advise against the idea of 'case studies', as that could proliferate indefinitely. David notMD (talk) 10:25, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Horan8199, I'm from Wikimedia Australia and would be happy to help. Feel free to use the Contact email on our Wikimedia Australia website. We have been working with some Australian Universities, but not Deakin, so it would be great to find out more. BindiS (talk) 10:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @BindiS!

I will be in touch asap. I appreciate the offer of help. Horan8199 (talk) 20:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Content Reduction

If retaining a section on the heritage of John Erskine, Earl of Mar (1675–1732) (e.g., the House of Mar section) is appropriate, as discussed on the talk page, are there any suggestions for revising this section? KMarrs1722 (talk) 18:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@KMarrs1722 Welcome to the Teahouse. Assuming the House of Mar is different from Clan Mar, then it would need to stand as an encyclopaedic and properly referenced article in its own right. It would need a lead paragraph which summarizes why the topic is notable, and all the rest of the content would need to be supported by references. Some of the current claims are unsupported by citations to permit them to be Verified, whilst others use text bordering on a tourist brochure or personal opinion. For example, the Mar Lodge Estate doesn't "boast" 14 Munros; it simply "covers", "contains" or "includes" them. I would suggest reordering the sentence to indicate that five of Scotalnd highest mountains are contained within the Estate, and then giving the total of Munros. At the moment it reads as if there are 14 Munros plus a further 5 really big mountains, which we both can see is not correct (as a complete aside, my wife proposed to me on the summit of Ben Macdui - and I turned her down on that occasion!). Using a neutral tone of voice is important in an encyclopaedia, and all claims need to be supported with citations. Hoping this helps a bit, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

The talk page there is probably the best place for the discussion. I have just left a comment there noticing article "Earl of Mar". (edit conflict with Nick Moyes). Feline Hymnic (talk) 19:19, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I suggested @KMarrs1722 come here to ask.They are working very hard in the article. Setting aside which are their contributions and which are other people's (no longer relevant) I see two parallel issues:

• Text which can be considered to be OR since it os devoid of references
• Text which appears to me not to be part of the Erskine article and whcih is more suitable for another article or articles, or articles not yet written

Their objective, and Wikipedia's, is to increase referenced information on Erskine, and also surrounding topics.

Thank you Nick Moyes and Feline Hymnic for advising them 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Timtrent Thanks, Yes, I can see @KMarrs1722 has indeed been working very hard, and we most certainly welcome their contributions. The article assessment now merits an update because of all their work. But because the page is still in flux, I will add it to my WatchList and try to remember to revisit later on to enhance the rating. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:25, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

A secondary objective in asking questions here is that it can often encourage editors who would never have considered editing this (type of) article to bring their skills to it as well. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:31, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Please help to review and publish the article about Sergey Smbatyan

Dear senior editors, please help me to review and publish the article about Sergey Smbatyan, who is a known conductor. I have already submitted the draft for review. Grigor Khachatrian (talk) 17:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Grigor Khachatrian, your draft is not now submitted for review. Please read the documentation at Template:AfC submission/submit, and add the appropriate template to the top of your draft and publish the edit. This will add a button that you can click to resubmit the draft. Cullen328 (talk) 17:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey @Cullen328, thanks for your prompt response, should I add this template to the top of the draft - {{AfC submission/reviewing}} ? Thanks in advance for your help. Grigor Khachatrian (talk) 17:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Grigor Khachatrian I have reinstated the review history. Please do not remove it. It has the submit button 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:35, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Grigor Khachatrian, no, that is the incorrect template because your draft is not being reviewed at this time. Do not add these templates here to the Teahouse, or you will submit the Teahouse itself for review, which nobody wants. Cullen328 (talk) 17:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

So sorry for the, thanks for your help. Grigor Khachatrian (talk) 17:38, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I have declined it again. There is a huge backlog of drafts to review. Please don't resubmit a draft with no improvements over the last time it was declined. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:26, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

what happened to the monthly edit counts? Mine is gone. Is this permanent?

https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec/wiki.eso.workers.dev/PumpkinButter#month-counts PB57 (talk) 21:19, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Your link worked just fine for me. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

How to get .srt file from WP TimedText?

In attempting to watch The Adventures of Prince Achmed, I have encountered a problem. The version on WP has English subtitles translating the German intertitles, but no music. (Silent films are very boring without musical accompaniment.) A version I've found on YouTube (via Enhanced Cinema; I will not link the video directly for fear of it not being fully above board copyright-wise) has music, but no English subtitles.

I'm not that familiar with how WP subtitles work. Is there a way to download a file's TimedText as a .srt file or another subtitle file format so I could apply them to a downloaded copy of the YouTube video?

Thanks. — Toast for Teddy (talk) 06:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Toast for Teddy. srt files are just text files. You could create a file yourself, e.g. with Notepad in Windows, and copy-paste from TimedText:The Adventures of Prince Achmed (1926).webm.en.srt. But you can also save https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/w/index.php?title=TimedText:The_Adventures_of_Prince_Achmed_(1926).webm.en.srt&action=raw. Give it the exact name of the video file including file type and then .srt, and place it in the same folder. Play the video and look for a subtitle option in the media player. If you still have problems then you can post to Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. Give the file type of the video, your operating system, and the media player you would like to use. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:44, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Copying it into a text file worked like a charm. Thank you. — Toast for Teddy (talk) 01:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

What happened with the Lily Hoshikawa article?

Why wasn't the protection for the articles about Lily Hoshikawa and Zombie Land Saga expired yet? Why no expiration date? 103.186.35.26 (talk) 02:39, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! For both of those articles, temporary protection was found to be insufficient. However, feel free to contribute to them through our edit request process. Happy editing! Bsoyka (t • c • g) 02:49, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) In both cases, the articles have been indefinitely semi-protected because of persistent sockpuppetry. You can make neutral, well-referenced edit requests at the talk pages of the respective articles. You can also go to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection and make a well reasoned, policy based request for the protection to be removed. You can also register an account, make productive, policy compliant edits for a while, and then edit these articles yourself. Cullen328 (talk) 02:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

The reason of sockpuppetry? Because it had to do with Lily Hoshikawa? 103.186.35.26 (talk) 04:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

It's unlikely that anybody here knows offhand what the reason for the sockpuppetry is (or reasons are) most likely to have been. (In order to know for sure, one would have to look inside the sockmaster's head.) If I wanted to find out, I'd look through the history of the LH article and the history of the ZLS article. You could do this too. -- Hoary (talk) 05:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

on undiscussed blars

for context, this is over a conversation in rfd (across two different nominations, but that's besides the point), to which the big question i have is more likely to be properly answered in a venue designed for questioning things

is there some deletion policy that states that xfd nominations for undiscussed blars with no info regarding them on the targets (and in this case, with later discussions finding no reliable info at all) have to be reverted and taken to afd anyway? i really might be missing something here cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Request for Review of Updated Draft: Vaibhav Palhade

Hello, I am seeking assistance with the draft titled Draft:Vaibhav Palhade, which was previously declined on May 11, 2024, due to concerns about notability and the references used. I have addressed these issues by updating the references with more independent and reliable sources that comply with Wikipedia's guidelines, and by including additional references that provide more significant and in-depth coverage of Vaibhav Palhade’s work and achievements. Additionally, I have ensured adherence to WP and WP , with proper disclosures where applicable. The revised draft now aligns better with Wikipedia's notability requirements. I kindly request that the updated draft be reviewed once more for potential resubmission. Thank you for your assistance! Ballal2003 (talk) 11:17, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

When you think it's ready, click on "Resubmit". No need to ask here. Incidentally, I'm surprised by the combination of (i) "He is known for his work in Indian cinema and literature, particularly in the Marathi language"; (ii) a list of his "Notable Works", each of which has a title in English and only in English. -- Hoary (talk) 11:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Ballal2003 Before you re-submit, you need to look at Wikipedia's policy for biographies of living people. You must provide inline citations for details like his DOB and birthplace, for example. I have not checked your sources to see if they can be used to verify these facts. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Consider my article

My article Iodine(III) sulfate has been proposed for deletion by Graeme Bartlett.But it was contested by another editor. You can consider my article and give an opinion to me.Thank you very much. Junurita (talk) 04:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Well @Graeme Bartlett, proposed deletion, stating that the sources provided don't appear to actually mention the substance being discussed. I noticed that Kasumov 1997 does mention I₂(SO₄)₃ in passing but calls it by a different name, Iodine Sulfate. On the other hand Bauer 2021 doesn't mention Sulfates or SO₄ at all. If you use inline citations, tying specific claims to specific sources - then it would be clearer why you think those sources are relevant.

Per the general notability guidlines there should be at least one source that discusses the topic in depth (more than just one passing mention). -- D'n'B-t -- 05:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I checked the sources, and they are about different substances, including organic derivatives. The Kasumov reference has the substance mentioned with one line in a table 1, but says nothing about it in the text. Where do you get the facts from: 1 that it is yellow; 2 that it darkens in air; 3 that it is decomposed by water; 4 the methods to form it ? If there are writings supporting these statements please let us know what they are. I check out all the new chemical articles to see if the chemical is real, and sometimes there are substances that are not real that get articles written. Since the proposed deletion was contested, I will have to decide whether WP:AFD is the way to go. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:37, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

@Junurita: As an aside to the comments above, you would do well to cite your sources inline; Easy referencing for beginners shows you how. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:18, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

just wrote an article about that here as well. I think you wrote this because you have a feeling of injustice... you are not alone. Is there a high authority here? you name the person that deleted your points but is there like a committee where one for help? or only the teahouse here? I love the name of teahouse here! :-) The Art Collector (talk) 15:50, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, The Art Collector, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure how your comment relates to Junurita's post, but I will attempt to answer you. No, there is no "high authority" or "committee", unless major issues arise about an editor's behaviour (see WP:ANI for that).

Disagreements between editors about content are normal in editing Wikipedia, and are generally handled by consensus, according to BRD, and if necessary by dispute resolution.

I realise that some people may feel resentful about their work not being accepted. Sometimes this is a matter of them plunging in and doing significant work without having first spent time learning how Wikipedia works. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

Sometimes this suggests that their primary intention is not about the common goal of creating and maintaining a wonderful shared source of knowledge, but about a personal goal, so they see a disagreement or revert as an attack on themselves, rather than a communal attempt to improve the encyclopaedia. ColinFine (talk) 16:42, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

thank you for the time for your reply. I see what you mean. Yes I was not planning to write an article, at least not now. I am already in this stressful situation only by making improvements to existing articles. flying cars is not my field and I use the metaverse that is why I know what I am talking about. Finding sources and so is fine, I understand now that I cannot quote a part of an article and mention the article as reference. I do learn. And only by practice one can learn. Although when I make several improvements and all is simply deleted shows that whoever deleted it is not reading. The part where in 1994 Queen Elizabeth II is visiting a place and this becomes Virtual Tour should either be checked by the reference I found or simply be deleted. So whoever delete my improvements should spend time in improving themselves or deleting strange information that is in an article.

I respect other people s work so I will not dare to delete things. It is not my place. So I try to find the reference, which I managed after some effort and then even that is deleted. You see what I mean?

And now I cannot even go back to the article to edit it well. Should not everyone's goal here to make improvements? The Art Collector (talk) 17:12, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I dont know what you say. Junurita (talk) 03:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Veering drastically back on topic @Graeme Bartlett, based on this reply I don't think inline citations to back up the claims in that article are coming any time soon - so an AfD sounds the right course of action. But additionally I am confused as to what exactly is going on here. Junurita has created another article with no inline citations. Why is that? Did the claims in that article come from the same place as the claims in the first one? Could Junurita enlighten us? -- D'n'B-t -- 18:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I will add that just because something is on Esperanto Wikipedia, does not mean it is suitable for English Wikipedia. Draft:Nitrosyl hexafluoroantimonate writes about a chemical that does actually exist. So Junurita could put effort into this. Also diiodosyl sulfate is real, and could do with more inline footnote citations. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for bother you . I has added inline citration into this article.Thanks for remind. Junurita (talk) 00:06, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

The article is looking better now with new inline citations. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Infobox

How can I insert an infobox to my sandbox article? I mean it wasn't published for review yet. AgroLover (talk) 19:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@AgroLover Welcome to the Teahouse. You can add an infobox to a draft article if you wish. In the case of Draft:Jack Rechcigl, you could use either Template:Infobox academic or Template:Infobox person. If you follow these links you'll see documentation on their use.

Now, I have to alert you to the fact that you appear to have stolen a copyright picture of this person and uploaded to Wikimedia Commons as if it were your own. I will shortly be flagging it for deletion, as we can we can only accept images uploaded by the copyright holder, or with the explicitly-stated permission of that copyright holder. I don't believe that the person who took this image was you, is it? Nick Moyes (talk) 20:43, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Nick, thanks for your response and help. I have another picture I'll use. AgroLover (talk) 13:13, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Add comic based on a Wikipedia page

I am creating comics (using text and image AI) on various wikipedia topics, and each comic is based on the wikipedia page content. I believe the comics provide value for someone to learn about a dense or complex or uninteresting (to the person) topic and can motivate them to further learn about the topic. Self learners, students, parents, teachers and others could find great value in this.

I wanted to know where best I can direct people viewing a wikipedia page to the corresponding comic.

Relevant details:

I have a mix of free and paid topics, and am not sure about the policies around commercial content. As of current thinking, I am open to making more comics free if commercial links are frowned upon. I truly believe this enhances the experience of visitors to a wikipedia page.

I am using as a source the content of the wikipedia page, and available AI tools for text and image generation

I am not directly using any other images than what the AI image generators create. I do take efforts to avoid any images in the comic that violate any known problematic aspect: legal, social, ethical, policy, copyright, trademark, etc. However, I have no control or knowledge of whether each image created by the AI generator violates any such facet. I will fix or remove any serious issues in a comic that are reported.

The text in the comics is generated entirely based on the corresponding wikipedia page content. AI text and chat models are much better than AI image models. The text does seem accurate across the comics based on my (often limited) knowledge of each topic but there may be (extremely) rare discrepancies there as well. Again, I will fix or remove any serious issues that are reported.

There are sometimes multiple comics based on the same topic that are variants on the same topic.

The comics are currently very simple in format and layout, but will get richer over time.

I am creating more comics on other topics, and will add them over time.

Given all this, I am trying to decide what is the best place to enable access to these comics from corresponding wikipedia pages. Some options I considered, based on studying wikipedia docs and guidelines:

1. External links on corresponding page to the comic

2. A wikiproject - though most of the existing ones seem to be based on a single topic

3. A new section that provides link to other media or specifically comics

If you wish to review the kinds of comics, here are links to some (currently) free comics to look at:

Aurora based on Aurora

Wright brothers based on Wright brothers

Sydney Opera House based on Sydney Opera House

Mathematics based on Mathematics

Renewable Energy based on Renewable energy

Please suggest options to connect wikipedia to these kinds of comics.

Thanks! Rcanand (talk) 16:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Rcanand, and welcome to the Teahouse. Firstly, it's great that you are using Wikipedia content in a different way than we're used to. You are entitled to do that under our Creative Commons Commercial Licence. However, be aware that you might need to credit Wikipedia if you are directly using the text. You can find out more about this at WP:Reusing Wikipedia content, and I think you should definitely include a link back to the relevant Wikipedia articles for people to get further information. Ah, OK, so I've just downloaded your Aurora comic and can see you've already attributed content to Wikipedia - so thank you for that. It looks quite fun and interesting, targeting a young audience with bright AI images and short, punchy text, so I do wish you luck with this.

Unfortunately, regardinging linking to you comic from Wikipedia pages, I'm afraid that is not possible. If we were to encourage that, we would end up with outwards links to innumerable forms of the same article, non of which would be likely to add anything to the encyclopaedic nature of that article, and would simply be a form of free promotion for others. So I would not want to see any links in articles, though I do wonder whether if it takes off, there might be potential for a short article about them in our internal newsletter, the Signpost. It will contain a link to the editors, though I would wait until you can provide some stats and information about interest generated via the number of downloads, etc., once you get going and it has taken off.

It certainly sounds like a fun project, and I wish you well with it, though I'm sorry we can't help you further by promoting it here. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:21, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for responding and checking out the comics, Nick!

This was very useful and informative, thanks! Also thanks for your kind words about the project.

Yes, I took quite a lot of effort to ensure that the comics follow Wikipedia's reuse policy, and have added links, released under CC license, etc.

I understand your point about not wanting different forms of the same article. However, my content is adding completely new content in the form of AI generated images to expand on the original article. I consider this an enrichment of the content and not just another form of the same content. Every comic adds several new images that explain/expand/illustrate the existing wikipedia content in various ways.

You mentioned concerns about promoting this content. I do want to promote this content, but primarily because I think it adds value in the form of new content and a richer experience of the same content for a significant class of users.

You also expressed concerns around the commercial aspect of my current comic links. If it helps, I am open to create a completely free direct link to the comics (say a google drive copy of the comics) and link to those from here.

I am interested in promoting my work, but my primary interest in linking to them from wikipedia is to give wikipedia users access to the amazing content that exists in the comics, and is not already in the wikipedia page.

Warm regards,

Anand Rcanand (talk) 15:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Rcanand. You are free to reuse (most) Wikipedia content, for any purpose (including commercial) as long as you follow the rules - see reusing Wikipedia content.

However, I think it is unlikely that the Wikipedia community would accept you putting links to your work in Wikipedia artcles, however valuable your work might be. I think before you try that, you should open a general discussion at one of the sections of the Village pump, to get community consensus (I'm not sure which section would be best). ColinFine (talk) 18:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Colin.

I did look at the Village pump, and wasn't sure where best to post there. I started here, as somewhere it said this is a good starting point. I will look further in the Village pump and post this in the best place I can find. Thank you! Rcanand (talk) 16:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

These might be good to link from the Simple English Wikipedia. I really don't see how they'd be appropriate here.

You need to fix that annoying auto-advance that doesn't allow anyone to view certain frames for more than a fraction of a second. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:48, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Anachronist!

I checked out Simple English Wikipedia - it seems quite relevant for this. Will dig further/post there to get their take.

Re auto-advance - I am sorry about that. I assume you are referring to the preview images on top of a specific comic page, is that correct? What device are you on (mobile/tablet/desktop)? I don't see an auto-advance on a desktop browser or on mobile.

Thanks,

Anand Rcanand (talk) 16:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm using a Windows 11 laptop with a Chrome browser. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I just checked with a Windows 11 laptop and Chrome browser - I didn't see any auto-advance behavior either on the landing page or on any product page. I am happy to debug if I can get repro steps. Thanks! Rcanand (talk) 22:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I go to https://rcanand.gumroad.com/l/Aurora__2 and wait for the title slide to appear. I click on the right arrow on the right edge. It advances quickly over slides 2 and 3 and stops on slide 4, not letting me view 2 and 3. If I click the left arrow to back up, it backs up briefly and then scrolls forward to slide 4 again. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I just saw this behavior - I agree, it is super annoying! Will give feedback to the gumroad platform team to fix this. Rcanand (talk) 14:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

I want to do editing

2025 ICC Champions Trophy. Sxnxtxn (talk) 11:18, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Sxnxtxn That article is semi-protected but you are autoconfirmed, so should have no problem editing it. Have you tried and run into a problem? Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

.... actually, I see you have already edited the article but are in a dispute with User:Vestrian24Bio about whether the infobox should have a partially Urdu title. Please take that discussion to the Talk Page at Talk:2025 ICC Champions Trophy. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

This is English Wikipedia, why should it contain other language titles? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 12:04, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Sxnxtxn Does WP:NOINDICSCRIPT explain why we discourage alternative language titles in Infoboxes, and why your edit was undone? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:11, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey

Why 'entrepreneur' word is promotional phrase on Wikimedia? Youknow? (talk) 15:41, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Youknow?, and welcome to the Teahouse.

As usual, it is hard to give answers to general, non-specific questions here. But I guess that what is going on is that somebody has referred to the word "entrepreneur" as promotional in contesting an edit or declining a draft?

Editors need to be very careful to avoid using phrases which imply judgments, good or bad. Would somebody who disapproved of a person describe them as an "entrepreneur"? Probably not.

"Entrepreneur" is perhaps not as judgmental as many of the examples in peacock words, but it has some of the same qualities. ColinFine (talk) 16:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Ahhh.. Got it! Thank you Youknow? (talk) 16:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Citing sources at Draft:PH-BUK

The draft article Draft:PH-BUK created by me, BuddyHeigh, was declined at the draft review. The reason was that there were not enough sources. Here, at the Teahouse, I request the experienced editors to help me search sources across the internet. BuddyHeigh (talk) 09:48, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, BuddyHeigh, and welcome to the Teahouse.

That is unlikely to happen. We are all volunteers, and work on what we want to work on. Teahouse hosts are people who enjoy helping and guiding new editors, but not, usually, doing their work for them.

You might find somebody interested in working with you at WikiProject Aviation, but there is no guarantee. ColinFine (talk) 10:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

In my opinion, other than special varients Wikilinked at Boeing 747, such as Air Force One, it is unlikely that any of the 1,500+ planes that are/were in passenger or freight service at airlines around the world are article-worthy. David notMD (talk) 10:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, BuddyHeigh. Please be aware that a Dutch Wikipedia article is not an acceptable reference for another Wikipedia article. Please read WP:CIRCULAR. Also, Planespotters is a website based on user generated content, so it is not considered a reliable source for use as a reference in a Wikipedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 21:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I am so sorry ColinFine for asking to search sources. I just wanted to ask for help, and didn't really mean to offend you. Pardon me for this. I shall search the sources by myself instead of disturbing others for help to search sources. BuddyHeigh (talk) 16:46, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Will my English And Global Wikipedia account be safe?

On August the 14, of 2024, i started to create a translation for the page "List of Glassware" for the Greek Wikipedia, which on the same day a user marked it as possible speed deletion due to automatic trnaslation and afterwards an admin removed, despite satrting a discussion againt it, which no one answered. I am aware that this an issue for the Greek Wikipedia, but i am afraid for my account generaaly in wikipedia, as i am planning to create a report on the admin. i believe this ocassion is possible admin fault, i have tried to contact him, he wasnt answered yet, but i have noticed in his talk page that he is agressive and selffish, and because the greek wikipedia is small , possibly the admins, beuracrats and all administrative levels, are interconected, i am afraid if i report to it 1) Will i find justice 2)Will the possible rogue admin ban me, through power abuse; if he does , wil lthis affrct my global account or english one 3) After he answers me, if he is mean and report it for admin priveleges reclaim, will i have the same dangers.

So my main Question Is: If i try to report the admin, and i am banned due tocpower abuse, will my global and english wikipedia account be safe?

Also, what is your suggestions on this matter?

End finally, if i don't find justice on the greek wikipedia is there an overseer about sub-wikipedia versions, or if not specifically, an overseer about any wikipedia encyclopedia. Mant08 (talk) 12:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Mant08, thanks for coming to the teahouse. What happens on Greek Wiki does not affect you on other wikis. A Greek Wiki admin cannot ban you on English Wiki, as much as I know. As for this matter, I do not know much about Greek Wiki and therefore cannot offer you the best advice, I am afraid. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 13:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Mant08 Welcome to the English Wikipedia Teahouse. This is going to be a bit of a lengthy reply.

I'm sorry you experienced difficulties on el.wikipedia. As has been mentioned, we have no say here on what happens on that site, nor the behaviour of administrators there. That said, I can see from your global contributions that you have been editing there 'in good faith', and set out to translate an article from en.wikipedia. That seems to me a sensible thing to do, but quite what the rules are on Greek Wikipedia, I do not know. I can make two suggestions:

Firstly, go to the deleting administrator's talk page and (politely) explain - or repeat - that you were sorry if you misunderstood the procedures which resulted in your partial translated article being deleted, but that you were genuinely trying to make a helpful page. Ask if they can give you any advice on how best to proceed without causing further problems, or if they think Κατάλογος γυάλινων σκευών is not helpful. Maybe there is even a policy against 'List articles' there? If that fails to elicit a response (maybe they're away on holiday), try to find a more 'amenable' administrator or experienced editor to approach. I'm afraid there doesn't appear to be a Teahouse equivalent on Greek Wikipedia, but there is a general helpdesk. It doesn't look hugely active, but please consider asking for help HERE

I do advise against rushing to report any administrator before you've made genuine endeavours to engage and left enough time for a response and a solution. In fact, unless you have strong evidence (WP:DIFFS) of repeated bad behaviour, it is often not worth the effort of reporting someone if they have simply misunderstood your motives for starting that page and were a little too enthusiastic to speedily delete it. Such complaints tend to backfire. So stay reasonable in your requests for help and when seeking an explanation of their rules. Also, do avoid accusations against other editors unless you can genuinely prove that to be the case.

My second suggestion is to work on developing your article as either a draft, or within your personal sandbox there on Greek wikipedia. Provided you include an edit summary to explain the attribution and translation from https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/wiki/List_of_glassware, I see little reason for anyone to object to you working on it and then moving it into the main encyclopaedia when it's finally ready and in good shape.

We do face a similar problem here on en.wiki where very well-meaning editors start to create an article directly in the main part of our encyclopaedia, rather than developing it as a draft or sandbox page first. These attempts do often get speedily deleted, simply because the expectation is that anything within the main encyclopaedia should be of reasonable quality. If ever you were to look at some of my draft articles whilst I was working on them you'd see that nobody in their right mind would be able to understand the mess I am working on! So it's best to keep them out of the encyclopaedia until they meet proper standards right from the very start.

Finally, it would be extraordinary for someone acting in good faith to be globally blocked from editing other Wikipedias. This action is reserved for very serious cases of vandalism or abuse. So, even if you were to be blocked by one over-zealous administrator, normally there are routes to appeal a block on that Wikipedia. Those blocks do not affect other projects. But, when appealing any block, don't create another account to do it from, but use your existing account. Usually, most blocked editors still have talk page access (at least they do here). So from there, you could always WP:PING another administrator to make your case, if necessary. Sadly, I know nothing about the rules and policies on Greek Wikipedia, but I hope this is sufficient guidance and assurance to help you achieve what you set out to do. Kind regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@TheLonelyPather, @Nick Moyes Thank you all very much for your answers and advice. I was not really aware of the draft functionality of wikipedia, i have only read about it, and because of the name i through it was only for small sections, not entire articles! Have you all a great day! Mant08 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:28, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Suddenly Dark

Can someone please help me turn Wikipedia back to light/standard mode? It turned dark for me, and none of the Google results make any sense. I'm a dummy - I need current, step by step instructions. Please help. OldBayLady (talk) 06:10, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

You can change your theme here.

Further information: WP:DARK

.–– kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 08:19, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. OldBayLady (talk) 17:55, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome! Happy editing!–– kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 18:12, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Help for another new editor with a CoI

Hi, could someone support Ijyoung (talk · contribs)? He wants to edit Seagull Trust Cruises, for which he has a CoI; I've reverted unsourced text and maintenance template changes, but he would like to add the organisation's logo to the article, and I'm not sure of the process around that. I've looked at WP:LOGO, but it'll take me a while to get my head around it, and he wants to get it done. Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 19:56, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

They seem to have uploaded the logo correctly, taking care of the non-free use rationale and whatnot. I've re-added the logo to the article. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 20:18, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Tacyarg (talk) 20:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Slavitza Jovan translated

I've already asked my secondary mentor, as my first one is out until October 1st, but when I translated the Slavitza Jovan page from the German Wikipedia, there were no sources except for IMDb and Allmovie, would they be considered good sources, and do I have to find my own?

The article in question: https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/wiki/Draft:Slavitza_Jovan 3.14 (talk) 21:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

No. IMDB cannot be cited as a source because it is user generated and therefore considered an unreliable source. AllMovie has no content except to reference Wikipedia, which is also unacceptable. See Wikipedia:Golden Rule. You need multiple sources that satisfy all three criteria. The sources don't need to be in English. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Because, 3.14, German-language Wikipedia has the article de:Slavitza Jovan, because this doesn't have any conspicuous warning flags, and because both German- and English-language Wikipedias are routinely described as versions in different languages of the same thing, it may seem reasonable to infer that a conscientious translation into English of de:Slavitza Jovan would constitute a legitimate article for English-language Wikipedia. But however reasonable this may seem, it's utterly wrong. Do you have good sources about Slavitza Jovan? (These may be in German, in Serbian, or in any other language in which you are proficient.) If you do, then proceed. If you don't, then stop. -- Hoary (talk) 21:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

So, any movie websites are out of the question? 3.14 (talk) 23:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

It depends on what you mean by a "movie website". Something like Rotten Tomatoes or Metacritic, which publishes reviews, could work if they provide any in-depth coverage of Slavitza Jovan's acting. Otherwise, profile bios or listings don't constitute coverage for the purpose of establishing notability, they merely establish existence, and an article subject must have more than existence to merit an article. There is also WP:NACTOR, which describes other ways an actor can be notable, but they are fairly high bars to pass. The roles must be significant. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

3.14159265459AAAs, that is not what is being said. Websites consisting of user generated content are not reliable. Websites that mass copy content from Wikipedia are not reliable. Established movie oriented websites with professional editorial control and a reputation for accuracy and correcting errors are reliable. Cullen328 (talk) 00:23, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Cullen328, noted. 3.14 (talk) 20:45, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

You write "She rose to fame while playing as Gozer in the 1984 film Ghostbusters." That film has been immensely popular (and thus widely commented on) and en:Wikipedia's article about it is "featured", with plenty of references. If she indeed rose to fame while in the film, I'd expect that a number of the sources cited within that article would devote paragraphs to her acting or other contributions to the film. Have you looked? -- Hoary (talk) 01:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

My page declined due to lack of reliable sources

I created a page about an ancestor of mine who was quite well known yet somehow didn’t have a Wikipedia page and it was declined due to lack of reliable sources but I’m not being told precisely what. Please help Finlay73 (talk) 21:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

You've been told "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources." Did you click on that link and read up on the meaning of "reliable sources"? -- Hoary (talk) 22:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Finlay73: Welcome to the Teahouse! In addition to Hoary's comment above, I think a big thing to focus on here is that you absolutely cannot include parts [which] are told to [you] directly from his sons as you described on your talk page. A core principle of Wikipedia is its verifiability, and we only care what reliable published sources say about a subject. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 22:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Finlay73. It may be helpful to read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Help:Referencing for beginners. Reliable references don’t have to be online. Are there newspaper or magazine articles on Masutaro Otani? Does the British Judo Council have information on him? Keep looking for good references for everything that is in your draft. Best wishes on your Wikipedia work. Karenthewriter (talk) 23:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Finlay73 Our article on the British Judo Council is very short and poorly sourced. It does not even allow a reader to verify that Otani was its president, far less that (as your draft says) that Otani was one of the primary pioneers of judo in the United Kingdom. So the issue is not just the reliability of the sources but the complete lack of them. Like many new editors, you have been writing your draft backwards and should read that linked essay to see why that won't work. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:43, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Karen, thank you for your kind reply. Yes, there are newspaper and magazine articles i have copies of them personally and am not sure how to upload them as evidence as i am still learning about Wikipedia. I will continue to try find out on my own but if you could please redirect me to anywhere explaining how so, i would greatly appreciate it! Many thanks! Finlay73 (talk) 22:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Finlay73, @Karenthewriter already linked you referencing for beginners.

You need not upload the sources; you simply need to cite it. The citation should have as much info as possible, at an absolute minimum the following:

• who wrote the article
• when it was published
• the title of the article
• the magazine or newspaper it was published in
• any other information that would help a reader locate the source in a library, such as page number(s), the language of the article text (English, Japanese, etc), the issue or volume number, URL, and the date you accessed or retrieved the URL

Hope that helps, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 22:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. I have scoured the internet now for citations and added 16. I hope this is satisfactory but if not, please tell me what else I need to do. Regards Finlay73 (talk) 23:05, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Finlay73 The draft is looking much better now. You have quoted the book by Rogers several times and should use a "named reference" for that (see WP:NAMED for instructions), perhaps with the template {{rp}} so you can mention the pages you are citing, if these differ each time that book is the source. I've moved the external links to go after the references, as advised in our manual-of-style (see WP:MOS) and you need to describe what they are so they are not just "naked" URL. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Finlay73. You did a great job of finding addition reference sources. Your second reference, from the Liverpool Echo, has an error, as it states “check date values.” I didn’t take the time to figure out what the problem is, but It may be something easy to remedy. Since you used the Dave Rogers’ book reference numerous times I reformatted the citations so it is only listed once in References, but shows its been cited 4 times. That’s something I learned to do years after starting to edit Wikipedia, so not something a beginner needs to know, but I feel it helps out. Also, when you use the same source for 2 consecutive sentences I feel you only need to cite the source after the 2nd sentence, so I combined the Rogers’ book source twice when used in side-by-side sentences. Others may disagree, so I hope I didn’t overstep when editing your draft.

I’m not a reviewer, and am no expert on Judo, so I can’t say if your draft should be accepted, but I’m pleased with your revisions. Best wishes. Karenthewriter (talk) 17:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Thankyou again for your help! As the previous notes have told me to do, I have added page numbers for the citing sources so it should easily be found. I think I have done as instructed but if I missed anything please tell me and I will try to fix! Finlay73 (talk) 17:49, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Error. I’m not sure how but I can’t seem to see the ‘biography’ section which included many citings. Because it’s gone for some reason it says “citing is not used in the content” Finlay73 (talk) 17:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I've submitted a revised version with sources for everything and page numbers for those sources. I hope this is correct now but please let me know if not! Finlay73 (talk) 22:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Newspapers.Com clipping

Hi,

Would it be possible for someone with a Newspapers.com Subscription to clip the image of John R. Dinsmore from this Newspapers.com page? https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/235266419/

Thank you, Globg (talk) 16:49, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Globg: Please ask at WP:RE. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Andy, do you mean WikiProject Redirect or somethng else? Globg (talk) 17:57, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Globg, I think @Pigsonthewing meant for you to go to WP:REX, the Resource Exchange. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:18, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Globg welcome to Teahouse! You are already eligible for the WP:LIBRARY a wonderful resource which already includes a subscription to Newspaper.com! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks like it's been done: https://www.newspapers.com/article/clarion-ledger-john-r-dinsmore/153412462/ ~Anachronist (talk) 22:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Aimee La Joie

Hi, I am tempted to move this draft to mainspace. I believe they meet the requirement of WP:NBASIC, WP:ANYBIO, WP:CREATIVE but reviewers say they fail WP:NACTOR. I will adjust further and resubmit if teahouse can provide detailed information why this draft is not ready for mainspace. –Filmforme (talk) 18:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Filmforme: which three of the sources cited do you believe do most to hep establish that she's notable?   Maproom (talk) 21:19, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Maproom Looks like some of the sources are behind a paywall now, so I will have to resort to the Wayback Machine. But I believe these three would do it 1 2 3 –Filmforme (talk) 21:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

1 and 2 are partly based on what La Joie has said, so not fully independent. 3 is in Spanish, which I can't read so I won't comment on that. Maproom (talk) 21:56, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Maproom That's where I'm confused. While they are WP:PRIMARY, it was my understanding they are allowed if enough secondary sources exist, and that they are independent if a journalist or reporter from a reliable source wrote about the subject in their own words. How about these two: 1 2 ? Filmforme (talk) 22:39, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

distractify is considered generally unreliable as a source, so it should not be used; see WP:RSP, which should be your first stop if you are unsure about the reliability of a source. I have no comment about the other one. CodeTalker (talk) 23:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@CodeTalker thank you, removed. Filmforme (talk) 01:53, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Minor change to page title

Hello! What would be the process for making a minor change to the title of a page? The page List of Harry Potter characters should use italics for the name Harry Potter. Please see other examples such as Magical objects in Harry Potter, Magical creatures in Harry Potter, and Places in Harry Potter. Wafflewombat (talk) 03:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

For changes to a title that are purely formatting-based, you can use {{DISPLAYTITLE}}. In this case, it would be {{DISPLAYTITLE:List of ''Harry Potter'' characters}} (note the colon rather than the pipe). Just so you know, this doesn't let you change a title in any way where what you would copy when you copy the title off the page does not match the actual title of the page (so, for example, {{DISPLAYTITLE:Amazing list of Harry Potter characters}} would do nothing). Tollens (talk) 03:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Brilliant! Thank you! Wafflewombat (talk) 04:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat: You removed the original code in [1]. You could also say {{italic title|string=Harry Potter}}. Then it works on any page with "Harry Potter" in the name so it's resistant to page moves. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:43, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

In my fantasy world, bluelinks that are not piped would automatically display the same format as DISPLAYTITLE sets for the target article and/or formatting would be stripped from bluelinks so we wouldn't need to pipe to format it as desired. And also can I have a pony? DMacks (talk) 02:21, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

How to appeal an editor's decision?

My draft on the Indigenous scientist Cristina Eisenberg was just turned down: Draft:Cristina Eisenberg. She meets the academic notability criteria 5: holds a named chair at a major institution. I also suspect the reviewer interpreted some secondary sources as primary sources. Also this may be part of the Wiki gender gap. What's the best way to appeal? Bodhipup (talk) 16:32, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

In the first instance, you can talk to the editor who declined your draft at User talk:CFA. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

thanks, will do Bodhipup (talk) 16:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello,Bodhipup. The answer is, always, to open a discussion with the other editor. Wikipedia is a collaborative project. ColinFine (talk) 16:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

thanks Bodhipup (talk) 16:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bodhipup Many of the references you use are repeated several times. We have ways to use a footnote more than once, which would make your draft much tidier. Many of your sources are not independent of Eisenberg, so it would help the reviewer to highlight (in the comments) those which best confirm her notability. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:56, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

While I agree, it is worth mentioningWP:NACADEMIC includes some exceptions to independent sourcing for academics, because their credentials and works are peer-reviewed which is more exhaustive editorial process than many independent secondary sources. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

very helpful, thanks Bodhipup (talk) 03:21, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Input on intersex healthcare draft please

I saw that there was a page of intersex-related redlinks including intersex healthcare since the intersex medical intervention page focuses mostly on intersex children. I whipped up a draft but I've never made such a hefty article from scratch so I'd appreciate feedback. Here's the draft. Feel free to add stuff if you happen to be knowledgeable about this subject. Urchincrawler (talk) 20:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

That's way more fleshed out than most drafts. I have no knowlege about this subject. I suggest you go through it, cleaning up style guide issues (I see some headings in title case, which is not used on Wikipedia), making sure the spelling is consistent, and most importantly making sure the sources comply with WP:Golden Rule.

A reviewer might object to some sources on the basis of WP:MEDRS, which has a different definition of primary and secondary sources than our usual understanding on Wikipedia. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm still getting the hang of style. I was wondering if medical sources would have to be used for non-medical claims. For instance the history section describes the history of corrective surgery not details about the surgery itself so I thought something that I found published in a law journal would be ok in that case. It's difficult to tell as it's hard to find similar articles that combine both social issues (history of a minority's treatment, advocacy, etc.) and medical info. The only similar article I know of is transgender health care. Urchincrawler (talk) 23:10, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh also, could you clarify which sources you think should be replaced? If so, please leave a comment on the draft's talk page.

I mentioned this in my last comment but just to put it into a more clear question, do claims that are not medical info but are in medicine related articles (the history of how a group is treated in healthcare, advocacy from that group, etc) need to have medical sources? Or would other reasonably reputable sources be ok to prove those things?

Thanks :) Urchincrawler (talk) 23:50, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

The scope of the heightened MEDRS standard is discussed at Wikipedia:Biomedical information. It specifically identifies "History" as not needing MEDRS (therefore just regular RS as usual). DMacks (talk) 02:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you :) Urchincrawler (talk) 03:57, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Too long ago to clearly remember.but the pain lingers

Failed Admin: where does one go to relive the agony of a failed admin request. Inquiring minds want to know and remember all the gory details! Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 10:35, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Buster7? Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 11:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

With 16 years and >66,000 edits, a failed Admin request 11 years ago this week is not the defining moment of your Wikipedia participation. David notMD (talk) 14:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Having to dump almost all my sandboxes for fear I may have forgotten some plagiarized tidbit is my agony. I truly appreciate what you say. It does not define me. But...I know one thing...I would have been a great administrator, a great counselor. a great diplomate. The pain I reflect on is that I had a stalker that haunted my early WP career. He showed up at my request very early, gave his false over-stated evidence and sucked the life out of any possibility of success. Thanks for the info @Rotideypoc41352: and @David notMD: BTW, I just got the name joke. We learned the joy (and agony) a cool bottle of MD-2020 65 years ago!!! Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 12:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

As a Reform Jew I had my share of Mogan David wine at Bar/Bat Mitzvahs, but my User name has it origins in a forum which had a frequent poster who went by David MD. Per my Wikipedia page I have a PhD from MIT, but chose to be David notMD rather than David PhD. David notMD (talk) 05:22, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Typhoon images

Likely the same typhoon editor from [2] and [3].

Hello can see images for typhoons on Wikipedia:Files for upload had only 2 images? 122.52.17.109 (talk) 08:02, 17 August 2024 (UTC) That is correct. Were you expecting to see more? Why? What are you trying to achieve that we can help you with? Shantavira|feed me 08:08, 17 August 2024 (UTC) @Shantavira Super Typhoon Dinah surface analysis and Super Typhoon Nina surface analysis. can edit @ChrisWx. see the guide: Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia:Files for upload 122.52.17.109 (talk) 08:15, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Disputing article deletion

An article was being discussed for deletion due to it being highly promotion and extremely non neutral. I urged that we should keep the article instead improve on it. I rewrote the entire article on my free time and feel like the article is much better now and should have its deletion revoked. How do I go on to revoke the deletion discussion?

Link to article: Hikmat Zaid Drake Thompson (talk) 08:56, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Drake Thompson Hello and welcome. I fixed your link, the whole url is not needed. You cannot unilaterally end the deletion discussion simply because you feel you have addressed the concerns raised by those proposing deletion, but you can post on the deletion discussion asking those there to take another look and see if the reason for deletion still applies. 331dot (talk) 09:01, 17 August 2024 (UTC)}}

I don't think it's likely to be deleted, the consensus seems to be keep, even without your changes. 331dot (talk) 09:03, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

thanks for your reply. Drake Thompson (talk) 09:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Is anyone here good at WikiProject templates and categories?

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Hi all, I've been working on creating assessment categories for WP:WikiProject Numbers, all is working fine for Category:Numbers_articles_by_quality. But I'm having trouble with Category:Numbers_articles_by_importance and Category:Numbers_articles_by_priority - I think I only need one of these, importance or priority. My preference would be the term priority, but the template used is {{Articles by Importance}}. The categories don't seem to be populating as I would expect them to. I changed the {{WikiProject Numbers}} assessment field from priority to importance, in case that was the issue, but that didn't seem to help so I reverted it back. Can anyone with more experience work out what I'm doing wrong? Thanks! Polyamorph (talk) 07:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

P.S. The WP 1.0 bot seems to be doing its thing, but only has "NA" or "other" "importance" columns: User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Numbers Polyamorph (talk) 07:35, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Hmm, the table and cats seem to be populating now. I might have solved it...Polyamorph (talk) 09:42, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

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Draft: Miss Grand Angola 2024

Can Someone please bring back The Draft Page into a Normal 77.77.218.128 (talk) 11:59, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid Draft:Miss Grand Angola 2024 isn't ready to be an article as it currently doesn't cite any sources at all. If there isn't significant coverage of this topic yet, then the article might just have to wait until we're closer to the time of the actual event. -- D'n'B-t -- 12:05, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Lack of reliable sources

Draft:Jansen deVries syndrome

there are currently only 2 articles about Jansen deVries Syndrome. I’m not sure how to edit this page to help it be approved. DEF2051 (talk) 13:31, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

It looks notable to me based on a quick search, but you'll have to prove that to reviewers by including multiple independent, reliable sources that offer significant coverage of the topic. Note that reliable sources in this case will have to meet WP:MEDRS. C F A 💬 14:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@DEF2051: Eight sources listed here; note the search string is "Jansen-de Vries syndrome" not "Jansen deVries syndrome"; which may also be a better title for the article. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@DEF2051 Over a hundred hits on Google scholar with either possible spelling. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:48, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

List of syndromes has hundreds of examples of syndrome articles that can be used as models. David notMD (talk) 17:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Question about releasing a new article and notability

I have completed a draft of an article about Jessica Morse, who became notable in 2019. I do not have a conflict of interest and I have edited Wikipedia intermittently for years. I would like to go ahead and release the article but I need your advice because an article about Morse was correctly deleted in 2018 because she was not notable at the time. May I release the article or do I need to go through the AfC process?

Here are some more details:

In 2018, Morse ran for Congress and lost. The article about her was correctly deleted because running for Congress does not confer notability. From 2019 through 2023 Morse served as the Deputy Secretary for Forest and Wildland Resilience of the California Natural Resources Agency. She was thus a politician who held state-wide office, which confers notability according to WP:POLITICIAN. She was appointed, not elected. I don't know if that matters.

Citations in the article I wrote show that she was the architect of California's wildlife resilience strategy, and that she obtained $2.7 million in state funding for wildlife resilience. See Draft:Jessica Morse. Thiesen (talk) 21:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Holding an administrative position(especially a deputy position, subordinate to someone else) is not the same thing as holding elected office. She would need to meet the broader notable person definition. She certainly may, just saying NPOLITICIAN won't apply. I fixed your link, you needed the brackets. 331dot (talk) 21:12, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

I vote in every California election, and I have never seen any ballot showing someone running for a "deputy secretary" position. That isn't a state-wide office as 331dot said. She's an appointee, basically a government employee. If there is any in-depth coverage about her, then she would be notable, but not by virtue of having that title. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I pointed out that she was appointed, not elected. Thank you for your advice. Thiesen (talk) 21:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Consider waiting until post-election and only resubmitting if she wins. David notMD (talk) 17:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Can the PEIS Plan be a notable topic?

I just set up an account on Wikipedia to create a new article about the PEIS Plan and update existing articles to refer to the PEIS Plan. I have a question about the notability of this topic.

I am the author of the PEIS Plan, a novel three-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. I published a book about the PEIS Plan last year just a few weeks before the Hamas attack. Since then, I have written a number of articles on the Times of Israel to expand the PEIS Plan solution to also cover the Israeli-Hamas War.

As a first-time author with limited resources, I am still working to make the world aware of the PEIS Plan. Given the dire conditions in Gaza and the failures of all existing plans over 70 years, this Plan could be the path not taken toward the elusive peace in the Middle East. The global reach of Wikipedia will significantly aid in the awareness endeavor. Docngu (talk) 02:58, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Docngu: To be blunt: No, I don't think so. Wikipedia determines notability based on the presence of independent, reliable secondary sources about the subject. So far the only significant coverage of your plan that I could find has been in self-published blogs in The Times of Israel and a press release (both of which are not independent). I couldn't find any coverage elsewhere. Please also see Wikipedia's policy on promotion. C F A 💬 03:22, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Docngu:, if your "PEIS" proposal attracts interest, so that third parties write about it, it may become notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Personally, I don't see that happening. Why would Palestinians, who've been evicted from the wheatfields and fruit groves of their ancestors, be willing to accept life in a desert? Maproom (talk) 17:32, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Guidelines for subsections vs. paragraph breaks only

Are there guidelines for what constitutes a new subsection?

I added subsections to an article to improve readability, they were removed because they're "not needed" see diff here.

I see that each paragraph should pertain to a single point, but I don't see any guidelines on what constitutes a new section/subsection vs. what constitutes a paragraph.

Thanks! Leirbagflow (talk) 04:21, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

MOS:OVERSECTION: Very short sections and subsections clutter an article with headings and inhibit the flow of the prose. Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheadings. In my view, the operative phrase of Innisfree987's edit summary lies in the latter half: the phrasing is certainly not neutral. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 05:18, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I don’t agree that they aren’t neutral. That user has accused me of many things (see my talk page). Leirbagflow (talk) 17:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Page question

Hello,

Well, I write because I want (if possible) to open a alternative page to this one ^:

Talk:List of European tornadoes and tornado outbreaks

Thing is I wanted to add a tornado in Switzerland, La Chaux-de-Fonds 27.07.2023. In fact they wasn't sure it's was downburst or tornado right after the event. Later they made a study in situ Swiss they conclude in the recent report (swiss weather services) it's was a tornado with downburst(s) depend on where it was in the town. So I put it on the page and they delated (probably Administrator and they justified cause it was downburst according to their source that didn't take into account swiss weather report) ..... So I see that and I go on the ad hoc side to open a discussion about it and no answer after motre than 3 weeks. Probably admin of this page use every time same european centralised source and it should be for him or them the lonely criteria to adjudicate choises. This centralised source had maybe preliminary informations or they concludes by themselves but they didn't make any complete inquiry/investigations on the ground in the 3D real world. Possibly fact that Switzerland is not in European Union has effect on that (on informations transmission to be more accurate cause of information transmission mechanisms possibly weaker)? So I would like to open an alternative page or at least the thing corrected/rectifed.

I wait for your feedback/news.

Thank you for your kind attention.

Yours faithefully. Luc-aoe1985 (talk) 11:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, you've linked to an article talk page, are you referring to the article itself? 331dot (talk) 11:21, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Luc-aoe1985 The information was removed in this edit by an IP editor, so certainly not an administrator. Even admins have no more say about content than anyone else, although they may know more about our policies and guidelines. The correct way forward is to discuss this weather event on the Talk Page you linked. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Mike Turnbull. Thank's for answering and details given especially. What a quick answer!, I appriciate a lot.

About the fact of discussing about details .... as I wrote I already did there no discussion from nobody...

So what should I do in this case? Luc-aoe1985 (talk) 13:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@331dot. (Of) course yes I did in the talk part of the right page: Talk:List of European tornadoes and tornado outbreaks - Wikipedia

If you click the link above you can find it in the end of all the different talks. If you want to know if I was accurate about erasing action I wasn't but anyway nobody wanted to respond so I do think whatever I wanted to discuss about, there was no interest for participating and answering (3 weeks without any answer...)Luc-aoe1985 (talk) 13:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Luc-aoe1985 I suggest you read WP:SILENCE. After three weeks of no response to your Talk Page comment, I think you are perfectly entitled to restore your edit provided you make sure the source is, indeed, reliable and you mention in your edit summary that you waited three weeks for any dissenting voice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:59, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your precious advices. I already take action in this direction. In fact, I wrote directly to the person who erased my text and I decided without any response from anybody to specify in the page related and also directly to the person who erased my text that I will take this step to put it afresh/anew.

Thank's one more time for your help.

Yours faithfully. Luc-aoe1985 (talk) 20:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Question About BLP Sources

Hi! I was looking at the Audrey Williams page and noticed that there are barely any citations throughout the page. I figured we need something like Template:BLP sources for that page, but as Williams is deceased, it wouldn't be right to add that. Is there a template like that for deceased people? Thanks. CallieCrewmanAuthor (talk) 03:09, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

CallieCrewmanAuthor, I know of none that are particularly for articles about dead people, but for entire articles that aren't about living people (and thus may be about dead ones), there's Template:More citations needed, and for sections there's Template:More citations needed section. (For these and many others, Wikipedia:Template index/Sources of articles is a wonderful resource.) -- Hoary (talk) 03:17, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@CallieCrewmanAuthor, You might also want to get more specific by using Template:Citation needed inside a section. It can be applied to a paragraph, a sentence, or even a portion of a sentence. Eddie Blick (talk) 00:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both! CallieCrewmanAuthor (talk) 01:07, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Searching for infobox with specific info?

I wanted to specifically search for articles with infoboxes that have a certain date in them, that way I could update the page on that date if there’s any significant events not included. For example, to see if any significant things have happened on February 1st that aren’t in the article. And then it would show an article that has Feb 1 inputted into something (like a recent death date). Is there a way to make this kind of search? ChocolateCharcuterieBoard (talk) 19:36, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Not sure about the search, but if you want completeness, be aware that most of the world writes a date such as the one you're interested in as "1 Feb". In my country 9/11 mans the 9th of November. HiLo48 (talk) 03:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Uploading Pictures

I want to upload a picture for the article Wilhelm Haehnelt, and I've found said image. However, i am unsure it is okay to upload the picture from the website, since I can't find anything about using that websites images for other stuff. What do I do? RedactedHumanoid (talk) 02:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

In a nutshell, do I have to worry about copyright? RedactedHumanoid (talk) 02:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi User:RedactedHumanoid,

Indeed copyright is an important concern. Nearly everything you find on a website is protected by a license, and often that license is too restrictive to allow uploading here. Either the image has to be old enough that copyright has expired (it has become "public domain") or the owner of the license has to make an explicit statement allowing others do use it in enough ways to be compatible with WP or Commons. Or sometimes one can make a case that the image should be used under WP:Fair Use rules even though it is against the license to do so. Given this person died in 1946, it's quite possible that photos of him would be old enough to be public domain regardless of what the website where you found them says. But it would require knowing more about the photo's history than just when it was taken, such as when it was first published in a newspaper or similar media. DMacks (talk) 04:04, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Checked, the website in question lists the image as being taken in January of 1941. Does that qualify as being old enough to be considered as part of the public domain? RedactedHumanoid (talk) 04:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

The important date is when it was "published" and what it anything is known about the photographer. The photo is signed by him and looks reasonably posed, so it seems like it was being distributed as a publicity or press photo in Germany at the time? That counts as "publication", and makes it old enough, depending on authorship. There's no photographer listed at that source or noted on the photo itself, we can probably consider it "anonymous"...I google-image searched and found no further detail, and it's so long ago I doubt any new info is available. Seems unlikely that the photographer would sign the back of this sort of thing at the time. So...it's old enough for PD, and can be uploaded to Commons, according to c:Template:PD-Germany-§134-KUG and c:Template:PD-1996. DMacks (talk) 07:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your help. RedactedHumanoid (talk) 07:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Inquiry on the case where YouTube video screen capture is available on Wikipedia,

Hello, Can I please use the screen capture of the Youtube video about 3D modeling of the time indicated in the YouTube link below on Wikipedia without copyright restrictions?

• The video I want to use is, if you look at the specific time below analyzed in the 24-minute video, for 5 Seconds " from 16 minutes 01 seconds to 16 minutes 07 seconds" in the attached video.

In other words, in the 5-second video clip with the 3D modeling, you can see that the bullets of the assassin were actually aimed at killing President Trump, and President Trump avoided it by just 1 inch, saving his life.

• I wonder if this video is useful and I can do a YouTube video screen capture on it. Donald Trump Shooting Analysis: Gunman Outsmarted Secret Service

Goodtiming8871 (talk) 12:56, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

In what context do you wish to do that? Just putting a video would be original research. 331dot (talk) 13:07, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Goodtiming8871 Setting any other arguments aside, I do not see that it has been released on any licence which allows you to do this. That overrides any other consideration in my view. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:43, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to comment. I intend to use the original 3D modeling content itself with citations. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 11:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

If I could upload a screen capture of the 8 bullets, it would be interested in that, as it would summarize the situation at the time. Thanks for your kind feedback. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 11:33, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

References

Question about new pages

Hi, I have a question as a first-time article creator. A draft article that I submitted for review through AfC was accepted by an AfC reviewer 5 days ago. However, I tried searching the article through external search engine today and the page didn't show up. Is there gonna be a second reviewing/patrolling process for it not to be hidden from external search engines? If there is, is there something I can do (e.g. an "unreviewed" tag to put) to have it reviewed/patrolled faster? Thank you. — ‎‎‎hhypeboyh 💬 • ✏️ 02:33, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, all new articles have to be patrolled by New Pages Patrol (or exist for 90 days) in order to be indexed by search engines. Articles for Creation is an additional step. There's no way to expedite the process, though I have marked your article as reviewed because you asked and I see notability per WP:NLIST. I will note that a lot of the entries are sourced to YouTube which is something you should work on (and I have tagged the list as such). C F A 💬 02:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@CFA Minor point: Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol#Drafts says that accepted drafts from AfC will not go into the NPP feed if the reviewer who accepts the draft is autopatrolled. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

HypeBoy:   List of boys' love dramas defines its subject matter "This is a list of ... dramatic television series, miniseries, or web series featuring romantic relationship between male leads." But all of the over 300 works listed are from East Asia. Why are there no works, e.g. Brokeback Mountain, from the rest of the world? I suspect something is missing from the definition. Maproom (talk) 08:04, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Maproom: The reason for the works listed being Asian (not East Asian, as Thailand makes up more than 20% of the entries) is because the term "Boys' love" or "BL" is mainly used for homoerotic works that come from Asia, as explained in the main article Yaoi which is linked on the article's lead. Also, Brokeback Mountain is not a television drama (which is the scope of the list), but a movie. However, I can see where you came from, the current definition does leave something to be desired. I'll see if I can amend it. Best, — ‎‎‎hhypeboyh 💬 • ✏️ 08:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

recovering a Draft

I was working on a Draft and I navigated away from the page. I think I lost all my work. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 02:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Allthemilescombined1 Yes. You need to periodically click on Publish at the bottom, which means Save. David notMD (talk) 05:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I guess an early-stage draft should be in the Sandbox instead. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 10:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Allthemilescombined1: an early-stage draft should not be in "the sandbox", where it may be deleted or overwritten at any time, but in a user sandbox such as User:Allthemilescombined1/SandboxNo1, where it will "belong" to the user, and no-one else will be likely to change it, or even be aware of its existence. Maproom (talk) 11:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. It's helpful to know how to make separate sandboxes. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 15:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Adding lots of information to an article, only using one citation?

What's the policy for how to handle adding lots of information from just one source? I read the section on how to avoid paraphrasing/copyright infringement and it mentions using a variety of sources, but what if the source is the only comprehensive information that exists on that specific topic? For example, information on the grammar of a language that hasn't been studied by a large number of people. Aristaeusapiculturist (talk) 08:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

To clarify, since the title is poorly worded, I would be using multiple citations to the various points in the source where the information is from. Aristaeusapiculturist (talk) 08:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Aristaeusapiculturist: if you just want to cite the same source multiple times, you can use named references, see WP:NAMEDREFS. Whereas if you want to cite specific and different pages of the same source, see WP:CITEPAGE. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Let's get specific. You added a grammar section to Marind language with lengthy paragraphs, but only one new ref, at the end of the section. Minimally, each paragraph should be referenced, even if parts from the same book. And the ref should not just be a URL. David notMD (talk) 12:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, that's good to know. I was being nonspecific because that is not - nor do I plan for it to be - my only contribution. Aristaeusapiculturist (talk) 17:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Ah good to know, thank you! Aristaeusapiculturist (talk) 17:11, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I entered an incorrect title for a biographical entry, and cannot change it.

I'm trying to post an article about the artist Paul-Henri Bouguignon. Somehow the name "Jean-Paul Bourguignon" came up as the title of this article. I could not see how to correct this, so I created a new page and titled it correctly ("Paul-Henri Bourguignon"). But verbiage appeared at the top of my new article saying an article about Bourguignon already existed and was waiting for approval. But the article waiting for approval has the wrong title! What do I do? (I also deleted the contents pf the first article...). Athana (talk) 13:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Link to original article: https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/w/index.php?title=Draft:Jean-Paul_Bourguignon&action=submit

Link to corrected article: https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/w/index.php?title=Draft:Jean-Paul_Bourguignon&action=submit

@User:Athana: I found that you created the article Paul-Henri Bourguignon. If you believe the title is incorrect, you can simply move it to the correct one. GrabUp - Talk 13:37, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Athana Your new draft is at Draft:Paul-Henri Bourguignon but has been declined by an AfC reviewer. You can continue to work on it to attempt to show how he is wikinotable. Meanwhile you should place the template {{db-author}} into the now-blank page at your old draft Draft:Jean-Paul Bourguignon so it gets entirely deleted. A bot will remove it in 6 months but it would be better to do that now. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Mike. Athana (talk) 16:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Athana blanked it, so I deleted it (a blank page is deletable itself, but I also cited this discussion here). DMacks (talk) 17:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

How to request protections for a biography of a living person?

I noticed on the article for Dennis Lindsey, a user with the same name as his wife removed the accusations against him some time ago. See diff here.

Does this warrant protections for this article? If so, how can I request them? Delectopierre (talk) 19:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Delectopierre! Protection is only used in cases where there is an ongoing situation where multiple accounts are causing disruption. Because this is neither multiple accounts nor ongoing protection isn't necessary here. If it was more recent it may have been useful to explain our conflict of interest guideline to that user but seeing as they have not edited in almost two years that would be unnecessary and potentially confusing to them unless they make a similar edit again. Tollens (talk) 20:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

You might be interested in reading the protection policy and a rough guide to semi-protection. But in short, one edit that happened over a year ago doesn't warrant page protection, because protection will usually be avoided when blocking would work instead (like here, if the user kept making the same edits) or when the issues don't persist, as is the case right now. win8x (talking | spying) 20:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

An IP did remove the section again in June but the page hasn't been edited since. I've watchlisted it for now. C F A 💬 20:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

There's something off of this sentence, but I just can't put my finger on it

I'm not sure how to word the following sentence from this article correctly:

"The swapped squares must match with three other squares of the same color to produce a bigger square."

For reference, here's the game's trailer: [4] TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 19:37, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Not a grammarian, but my guess based on the context of the sentence (pasted below from the article) is that the subject of the description in the first sentence is the player, but the subject in the second sentence is either the squares or the bigger square, and I think that ambiguity may be contributing to it being unclear.

How about:

In control of two four-by-six boards, the player's aim is to take the existing squares and make larger squares. The player accomplishes this by swapping squares between boards, with a goal of creating a larger square out of four matching squares. Once this is accomplished, the four smaller squares turn into a larger square of the same color. The larger squares are then used to advance gameplay, which is slightly different in each game mode. The game has four modes: ASYNC, free play, Quota, and Zoning.

Original:

Async Corp. is a puzzle game played from a top-down perspective. In control of two four-by-six boards, the player must choose two squares from each board to swap. The swapped squares must match with three other squares of the same color to produce a bigger square. The game has four modes: ASYNC, free play, Quota, and Zoning. Delectopierre (talk) 20:14, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Request move

Consensus was reached in favor of proposed move five-to-one: Talk:Saddle tramp (person); but it seems that the request to move was overlooked. What happens now? Maineartists (talk) 16:36, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

User:CFA took care of it. DMacks (talk) 17:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, User:CFA! Maineartists (talk) 20:26, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Draft

I'm new, so to learn how editing works I created an example draft. How much time will it take till some admin or someone reviews it? Parma Calcio 2023 (talk) 20:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

This appears to have been resolved. If you still need help with anything, please do ask! Tollens (talk) 21:12, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Fine, thank you. Parma Calcio 2023 (talk) 21:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

A username referring to an Italian soccer team: have we not met before? -- Hoary (talk) 21:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary What do you mean? Parma Calcio 2023 (talk) 21:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328 I'm new, so I'm still learning. Now I know that I have a sandbox where I can do editing tests without getting bothered, so I'll use that and I apologise for the time I made you waste previously. Parma Calcio 2023 (talk) 21:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Parma Calcio 2023, in the future, please do not submit test drafts for Articles for Creation review. That just wastes the time of reviewers. Please only submit drafts that you believe are ready for the encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk)

School

On August 26th, I am going back to school. However, my high school's IP is part of a range of IPs that are blocked until December 2026. If I log in and edit Wikipedia while at school, will I get blocked for block evasion? BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 21:36, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Your account won't get blocked if your school IP address is blocked, but it is possible that you may not be able to edit from your school unless your account has the "IP block exemption" right. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

My account does not have that right. BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 21:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I know that. That user right is generally given to more experienced editors. It really depends on the type of block on your school IP address. When I block an IP address, I have an option to prevent editing by logged-in accounts on that IP address. That option is disabled by default. It's typically enabled only when sockpuppetry has been a problem. You should be OK, but without knowing your school IP address, I cannot examine the block to tell you exactly how the block would function for your account. Tell me the IP range and I'll let you know. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:53, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

209.18.48.0/20 BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 21:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

You should be fine. The opton "Apply block to logged-in users from this IP address" wan't set for that block. The only other option set was to prevent creating new accounts from that IP address range, which is normal for IP blocks, and wouldn't apply to you because you already have an account. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

ok BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 22:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

good to know BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 22:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Uncertain about reliable sources

Hi,

I am unable to resolve the issues which This draft currently contains.

I just got to know that Times of India isn't a reliable source at all, one of the reviwers mentioned it on This draft. Since, the subject is belonged to India.. I couldn't figure out this thing.

Lastly, If possible suggest me some reliable sources apart from Times of India where the subject is an Indian.. so that, I can improve this draft.

Thank You. —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 19:03, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

If you read the RSP entry about it at WP:TOI, you'll see that it's yellow, meaning No consensus, unclear, or additional considerations apply: The source is marginally reliable (i.e. neither generally reliable nor generally unreliable), and may be usable depending on context. That assessment may be deprecated to "considered unreliable" based on recent discussion at WP:RSN. Either way, it isn't a great source. If you have others, it's best to remove citations to Times of India. You did identify three others in the AFC comments. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:19, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Changing my deletion vote?

Recently I proposed that an article be deleted, and, in the ensuing deletion discussion, other editors proposed a redirect instead. Their arguments are good, and they've persuaded me. Can I change my vote (or at least indicate that I agree)? In this case it probably won't make a difference, but in general/for future I would like to know the protocol for this. Thanks! candent_shlimazel (talk) 18:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

You sure can. You can comment that you agree, strike out your previous comments, or both. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 18:25, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

You basically withdrew your deletion nomination, so I closed the discussion and redirected the title. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

methamfetamine

how do i prevent the cause of death from this. ILoveDefamation (talk) 02:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but Wikipedia cannot give medical advice. See Wikipedia:Medical disclaimer. We have an article about methamphetamine if you would like to learn about this substance and track down its cited refs to verify the content. If you have a personal medical situation, you would need to talk to your physician or other medical professional. DMacks (talk) 03:20, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

"Quality image" and "Valued image"

Hello,

Perplexity AI recommended me to ask questions here. Is this the right place?

I would like to ask about "good images". I see that this image was nominated for "Quality image" and "Valued image":

• https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/wiki/File:NIO_ET5_Motorworld_Munich_1X7A0050.jpg

I would like to nominate this image for "Quality image" and "Valued image":

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NIO_ET5.jpg

How do I do that? Modular science (talk) 07:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Please see c:Commons:Valued images and c:Commons:Quality images. Once you've read up on what's involved, decide whether an image merits nomination; and if it does, then read up on how to nominate it. -- Hoary (talk) 08:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Hoary Modular science (talk) 09:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Non-Free image rationale for article in userspace draft

Hello, I am currently writing the draft article of Suchitra Academy, and for that I have uploaded its logo to Wikipedia. I have added a clear description for the Non-Free Image fair use rationale using a template. As the article is still in my userspace draft, it has been labeled as a orphan image with a notice of deletion in 7 days. I cannot create the article until I finish my draft, but there is warning saying WARNING: Suchitra Academy does not appear to exist!, leading it to be classified as an orphan. What should I do in this situation? Any help or suggestion is appreciated. Thanks! Bunnypranav (talk) 07:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

WP:Non-free content says: "Non-free content is allowed only in articles (not disambiguation pages), and only in the article namespace, subject to exemptions." So it may not appear in a draft. Inclusion of a logo (or any other picture) does nothing to help a draft be promoted to full article status. What is necessary for promotion is evidence of notability (as defined by and for Wikipedia); currently, your draft has no evidence of such notability. I do not see WARNING: Suchitra Academy does not appear to exist!; where do you see it? -- Hoary (talk) 07:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I am currently working on and writing my draft, it still has a lot of room for expansion, and I will do it. My question is that am I allowed to keep the logo on Wikipedia till I complete my draft, or should I upload it after my draft has been promoted? The warning is visible in the heading/start of the non-free media use rationale template. Bunnypranav (talk) 08:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I repeat: "'Non-free content is allowed only in articles (not disambiguation pages), and only in the article namespace, subject to exemptions.' So it may not appear in a draft." Perhaps I should have pointed you to WP:Non-free content criteria, which is more authoritative and shorter. (No exemption lets you use non-free media in a draft.) I suggest that you start your promised expansion of the draft by summarizing what reliable sources that are independent of Suchitra Academy (and therefore disinterested) have said about Suchitra Academy. -- Hoary (talk) 09:06, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I understand, thanks for the clarification. Bunnypranav (talk) 09:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

What is and is not analysis?

Hi. Brand new to the meta side of Wikipedia. Please forgive my stupid question.

Islam in Afghanistan#Radicalization and NATO presence

In the page (and section) linked above, I found the following sentence:

"As a politico-religious system, Islam is well-suited to the needs of a diverse, unorganized, often mutually antagonistic citizenry wishing to forge a united front against a common enemy, and war permitted various groups within the mujahideen to put into effect competing concepts of organization."

The above statement is not attributed to anyone, nor does there seem to be a source linked. Based on my extremely limited understanding of what is and is not appropriate for Wikipedia, this sentence seems to fall in the latter classification - it's analysis. Could someone more intimate with the platform clarify for me whether my thinking is wrong or right? I would be grateful. ChurchOfBassProShops (talk) 03:03, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, ChurchOfBassProShops. I would agree. Every claim in a Wikipedia article should be verifiable from a single acceptable source. While it is not a requirement that that source be cited (though nowadays reviewers for example tend to insist on this) an unsourced and possibly contentious claim like that should be removed. While in principle a comment in the edit summary explaining why it was removed should be enough, in that area I would suggest puttting a note on the talk page explaining as awell. ColinFine (talk) 09:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

A508 road

Hello there! I was wondering if someone could help me sort out the article named A508 road. I have been editing this article a lot recently, but I am starting to notice that it has lots of commentary, trivia and breaches of MOS:WE. Therefore, I was wondering if an editor could help me out and brush up the above, because I don't know which bits I should change, and what I should change it to, as I certainly don't want the articles taken to AfD. Many thanks in advance, Roads4117 (talk) 20:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Roads4117 It looks like a lot of first person commentary was deleted from that article by User:Steinsky the day before you posted here. Apart from there remaining some blank sub-sections, was there anything else you needed help with? Nick Moyes (talk) 22:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes, now that it has been taken to AfD, I was just wondering what I should write overall instead of constantly saying The road turns left and becomes London Road, and continues straight for 3.0 miles (4.8 km), before reaching a junction with the M1, just before the village of Happithorpe. Roads4117 (talk) 10:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Edit on Thomas Sowell page an "UNDUE PROMO"?

Hello,

I am new, still learning, trying to understand. Thanks for helping.

I added a new line to the Thomas Sowell to Reception section, first para last line: Sowell's book Social Justice Fallacies published on September 19, 2023 was an instant NY Times bestseller. I also cited and marked this as a minor edit - see https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/w/index.php?title=Thomas_Sowell&diff=prev&oldid=1241001556 I then tweaked it a bit first to this Sowell's book Social Justice Fallacies published on September 19, 2023 debuted on the NY Times bestseller list on October 8, 2023 - https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/w/index.php?title=Thomas_Sowell&diff=prev&oldid=1241003179 and then this, Sowell's book Social Justice Fallacies published on September 19, 2023 debuted on the NY Times bestseller list on October 8, 2023. https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/w/index.php?title=Thomas_Sowell&diff=prev&oldid=1241004036

I was surprised to see my edit removed and this note: UNDUE PROMO. Should not have been marked a minor edit. See https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/w/index.php?title=Thomas_Sowell&action=history

I am confused as to why this edit is considered a promo. Isn't a book making it on the NY Times bestseller a fact that's important to include since it indicates one aspect of its reception? Thank you.

Anita Researcherasc (talk) 04:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

A 'minor edit' would be something like correcting a typo, or improving the punctuation of a passage. Adding new information is not a minor edit (see Help:Minor edit), and while I don't think you were acting in bad faith on this occasion, describing the addition of questionable or poorly cited material as a 'minor edit' is a common (though vain) tactic some use to try to sneak such material past page watchers, and therefore looks suspicious.

Adding the new book (with citation) to the article's bibliography would be uncontroversial; saying under Legacy that it 'debuted on a bestseller list' does look a little promotional. I suggest you contact the reverter SPECIFICO directly, and ask them whether the cited information you added would be acceptable if, perhaps, reworded or put somewhere different in the text. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.109.53 (talk) 13:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

How do I stop receiving emails reading "Login to Wikipedia from a device you have not recently used"?

Every single day when I login to Wikipedia on my laptop, I get an email with the subject line "Login to Wikipedia from a device you have not recently used". It's honestly getting annoying. My laptop only uses one IP range geolocating to the same few towns, and I login roughly every 24 hours. How do I stop getting emails notifying me every time I log in? I've checked the preferences but I don't see an option for emails of that type. Atlantis536 (talk) 05:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

You didn't see how to 'Unsubscribe' icon from the email too? You can unsubscribe from unwanted emails if you want. Tesleemah (talk) 10:41, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Just saw it now. Thanks! Atlantis536 (talk) 09:23, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Good to know! Tesleemah (talk) 10:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@Atlantis536 I have Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo set so that I would get emails after any login from an unfamiliar device but I never do despite changing IP address quite frequently. I suspect that's because I allow cookies to be set on my devices. You should ensure that your browser is allowing Wikipedia's cookies and also tick the box that says "keep me logged in for up to a year". Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Fix formatting please

I'm no good at formatting. If you go on the page List of United States Naval Academy alumni you'll see at the bottom of the Astronauts section the entry for Kayla Barron is not displaying correctly because of some problem with the formatting. I tried to fix it myself but couldn't. Can somebody fix it for me please? Thank you.SigurdsSister (talk) 03:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@SigurdsSister:  Done. C F A 💬 04:42, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! SigurdsSister (talk) 14:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

archiving stuff

why do they archive stuff?? and by archive i mean archives like "most recent archives" something like that DANiHeARTz. .MEE (talk) 08:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@DANiHeARTz. .MEE If you mean like the archives at the top of this page, it's primarily on high traffic talk pages and places like the Teahouse. The reason for it is simply the amount of people that leave messages, if there was no archive then places like the Teahouse would reach a point where they become simply unusable. It also means that if people want, they can go back through the archives and find the answers to their individual questions.

People do like to archive stuff on their own talk pages as well, for example on mine I have an archive so that at the end of the year I can create a new archive, move everything there and start anew. Keeps things cleaner. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 08:38, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Archive are to clean up and create space for more updates, especially if such matter has been resolved.

Just like old newspapers are kept in archive, to preserve them while giving room latest headlines. Tesleemah (talk) 08:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. Also can i use bold, italic and more for replying purposes? DANiHeARTz. .MEE (talk) 08:48, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Suuuuuure you can. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 08:51, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

thanks could you type random gibberish and combine those all in one text :P DANiHeARTz. .MEE (talk) 09:02, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@DANiHeARTz. .MEE: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1232. At that point, no, as that makes it apparent that you're not here to build an encyclopedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

sorry my bad just was a little interested on a few pages.. DANiHeARTz. .MEE (talk) 14:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

also i want to edit pages but then im so confused on neutral point and view and stuff idk is there simple version of how to neutral point a page DANiHeARTz. .MEE (talk) 15:01, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Review Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and then ask here if still not clear. David notMD (talk) 15:04, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

How do I create a page???

Plz help me how to create a page. Danaimuratkali (talk) 16:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@Danaimuratkali: Welcome to Wikipedia! You can submit an article for inclusion with the Article Wizard. You may wish to read Help:Your first article first. C F A 💬 16:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Echoing that: :Given that this is your first edit with this account, strong advice (often ignored) is for newbies to gain experience by weeks of improving existing articles before attempting to create and article. If you would rather dive into the deep end, WP:YFA describes how to create and then submit a draft, and WP:42 describes the necessity and quality of references. The content of a draft must be verified by valid references. What you know to be true counts as nothing without verification. David notMD (talk) 16:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Danaimuratkali, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.

As others have said, new editors who try to create an article before they have spent time learning about Wikipedia often have a frustrating experience: would you enter a major tournament when you have only just started learning to play tennis? Or try to build a whole car when you were beginning to learn about engineering?

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 16:40, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Number (prefix)

For the life of me, I can not locate the required styling ([[WP:MoS]]) when talking about record chart placings. Is it 'the single reached number 12', or ... No. 12' or ... # 12' ? Or is there not a preferred methodology, as long as a consistent method is used throughout the article ? I thought that I found something about this years ago, but the passage of time may have confused me (most things do these days). Thanks. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@Derek R Bullamore as there is no specific MOS guideline, I would assume that retaining one standard form in the article is appropriate. From some quick looks at other articles, the de facto standard seems to be your first suggestion, i.e. "number X" (e.g. Last Christmas and All I Want for Christmas Is You) – Isochrone (talk) 15:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the response. By pure coincidence, I more recently found MOS:NUMBERSIGN, which states not to use # in that instance, but both number and No. are fine. So I think I maybe found what I could not find before - either way, I am happy. Thanks. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

im trying to get all my drivers in my disk top computer

im trying to get my drivers in my disk top computer it keep saying i need 0x7f drivers why? 147.219.207.203 (talk) 21:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

If you can express this more clearly, you might try asking it at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. -- Hoary (talk) 21:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Reviewing a draft

I would like feedback as to whether this page meets standards of notability and steers clear of copyright issues. tia. User:Allthemilescombined1/SandboxNo1 Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 20:01, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I've added the template so you can submit it for a review. 331dot (talk) 20:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 20:39, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Also just one more, I promise User:Allthemilescombined1/SandboxNo2 - should I wait until her next book comes out next year? Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 20:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Allthemilescombined1, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I'm afraid that your draft has no chance at all of being accepted in its present state, because it does not appear to cite any sources which are independent of Bouchier.

Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

A draft with no such sources has no chance of being accepted. I recommend starting by finding sources each of which meet all three parts of the criteria in WP:42: unless you can find several such sources, you know that you will be unable to establish that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and there is no point in spending any more time on that draft. ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Is there a way to retract it, now that I submitted it? Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 22:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

you can just wait for the decision from the reviewer, then follow the guide given going forward. Tesleemah (talk) 10:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 11:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Could you help me understand why the NYT article was not independent? Maybe it's not enough, since it's just one article? Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 22:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Allthemilescombined1 As your draft makes clear, Bouchier was a NYT columnist for 10 years. Hence an article about him there could be construed as them blowing their own trumpet. An article in a different newspaper commenting on his work at the NYT would be much better. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I see. Thanks. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 21:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Is this ready to submit to Afc?

I would like to convert this to Draft if appropriate: User:Allthemilescombined1/SandboxNo2 Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 02:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure that it's ready for submission, but I moved it to Draft:Artis Henderson. -- Hoary (talk) 03:55, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Could you explain more about publishing a draft vs. submitting to Afc? Is there one way that gives me a chance to get help from more experienced editors? Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 09:39, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@Allthemilescombined1, "publish" in this case really translates to "save" - it will basically save your current text to Wikipedia's servers. Try to hit publish frequently, or at least whenever you make a big change to your draft. It doesn't do anything else except save the text (and update the draft).

"Submit" to AfC is what pushes your draft into the review pool, waiting for someone to come along and investigate it. Reviews have a pool rather than a queue; if a reviewer interested in your subject happens to see it they may well review it immediately, but on the other hand it might be a while before it's reviewed. 'Easy' drafts - ones that are very good or very bad - usually get reviewed the fastest. So your goal is to make your draft the best it can be, with suitable sources, well-written, and so on, because that will probably mean the first reviewer who sees it goes 'oh, this is good!' and accepts it.

Does that answer your question? If not, please feel free to ask further! StartGrammarTime (talk) 12:49, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I apologize for my repeated questions. Should I copy and paste into Afc template? Or, is my best option to start a discussion on the Talk page now that it's in Draft, to see if anyone wants to help improve it? Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

How would I fix this link error?

I encountered a link error trying to add a new section to a page. It was a Check |url= value error but I dont exactly understand because the previous link had a nearly identical setup. Link error occurs here MetricPin (talk) 23:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

This is what you added https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/w/index.php?title=Sail_(song)&diff=prev&oldid=1241206124

url=Tunefind https://www.tunefind.com › show Season 19 - Family Guy Soundtrack

it needs to be only the https part, nothing else

RudolfRed (talk) 23:38, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Media statistics for Wikipedia

Is there a Media Statistics page for Wikipedia specifically? Tule-hog (talk) 22:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes. Special:MediaStatistics. (I had no idea either of these existed) ColinFine (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

That's 300 GB of media. But that's just on Wikipedia. It's interesting that the same page on Commons shows the collection is over 3 orders of magnitude bigger, over 500 TB. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:53, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

For those interested, see the inspiration for the question, where this difference might be critical. Tule-hog (talk) 00:48, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Wrong edit summary left

I accidentally clicked the wrong dropdown option for my edit summary. Oddly enough I do not believe that I have ever actually done this before and published the edit before. This was for a redirect that I created at this page My cow wants to have fun. What should you do if you leave a mistaken edit summary, but the edit itself is fine? Should I leave a trivial follow up edit on the page to clarify that it was a "#redirect" to be created and not an "Infobox image" as my mistaken edit summary says? Iljhgtn (talk) 01:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: You can make a dummy edit (see that link) so you can leave an edit summary explaining your last edit. I like to say in a dummy edit summary: "Dummy edit. My last edit summary was incorrect. What I really did was [insert what you did here]." ‍Relativity ⚡️ 01:07, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I understand. I am having a difficult time thinking of what "dummy edit" to make on this particular redirect page. Since it is just a redirect, and not a regular page, I cannot even just fudge with the white space and create a harmless "dummy edit", I might just have to leave it be and hope that someone does not see the erroneous edit summary and not review/patrol the redirect as a result. Iljhgtn (talk) 01:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I patrolled it. Don't worry about it. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:08, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Things like "insert a blank line before the REDIRECT line" or adding/adjusting the whitespace in the R from... templates would work. DMacks (talk) 02:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Citation links

When I'm making a citation to an online news article, and the author just so happens to have a Wikipedia article, how can I link their name despite the first and last name boxes being separated in the template? TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 02:49, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Trevortnidesserped: Hey there! {{Cite news}}, assuming you're using that template, has an |author-link= parameter for that purpose. Just set it to the title of the author's article. Happy editing! Bsoyka (t • c • g) 02:50, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

need admin help/attention

Hi, please look into this incident of personal attack against me by an user who reverted many of my edits without an explanation following a content dispute on a particular article. here: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Shivam Thiruppathi 456legendtalk 06:52, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

There's no need to post about this on the Teahouse, an admin will get to the ANI thread when they can. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 07:12, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Time from DYK Nomination to Public Release

Hello. I wrote an article Umehara ga kimeta and nominated it for DYK, and as far as I can see from The DYK process, the nomination appears to be complete. is there any further work for me to do, or can I just watch?

I havent found the name of the article in Did you know/Queue, but if you can give me an approximate date of publication, please let me know. 狄の用務員 (talk) 13:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@狄の用務員 Your article has been approved, which is good news, but it hasn't been promoted yet. It won't be added into a queue until a second user comes along and slaps a second green tick on it. For a sample timeline (and I have no idea how representative this is, but it will give you an idea of the steps involved):

• I nominated Balkan terrapin for DYK on 8 October 2023
• It was reviewed and approved on 17 October 2023
• It was promoted on 8 November 2023. It got added to a preparation area at the same time.
• It appeared on the Main Page on 20 Novembere 2023

So that's a little over a month. I looked at some other DYK noms and some were as fast as one week or so. Given that you nominated your article just yesterday, I'd very tentatively guess that it should appear on the Main Page sometime in September.

Cheers, Cremastra (talk) 18:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I understood most of it. Thank you very much! 狄の用務員 (talk) 07:40, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Imprecise birthyear on biographic article

I am trying to add the missing birthyear to the article of a french singer. The most accurate source I could find quotes her saying: "It was 1985. I was 21.". This means she was either born in 1963 or 1964. Is it okay for me to write (*1963/1964) or should I rather leave the article as is? Any help/suggestions on what to do would be very much appreciated! 2001:9E8:A2E8:4300:C57A:B8EC:C5FA:48E5 (talk) 23:33, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

You can definitely write that she was born in that year-pair as you propose. For infobox purposes, we even have {{Age as of date}}, which calculates the current age of someone when given a known age on some specific previous date. DMacks (talk) 23:42, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I think that is an acceptable solution until a more definitive source emerges. Cullen328 (talk) 23:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Template:Circa is also a possibility. Cullen328 (talk) 23:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

IP editor. There are a lot of custom templates for use in infoboxes. The appropriate one here is probably {{Birth based on age as of date}}. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:27, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

References

SVG file displaying(?) incorrectly

Hello y'all,

I have been trying to update File:War in Sudan (2023).svg, and created a current SVG file to replace the map. When I uploaded it, the image lost resolution, gained a white background, and lost it's fonts. How do I upload an SVG while retaining the format of the original?

Thanks! GGOTCC (talk) 16:42, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@GGOTCC: I cannot see anything wrong. All the versions look pretty much the same to me. Maybe you're having an issue with browser caching? Try refreshing the page with ctrl-shift-R. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Huh, interesting. I'll do that, thanks for the advice! GGOTCC (talk) 22:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@GGOTCC I am not a graphics designer myself so cannot directly help. If the images are freely licensed, please ask at Commons:Help otherwise you may have better luck at English Wikipedia WP:Village pump (Technical) ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Issue with Wikipedia Page Deletion After Successful Publication by a Freelancer

Hello everyone,

Since English is my second language, I hired a freelancer from Upwork to publish two pages on Wikipedia:

1.     The first page is for my non-profit organization.

2.     The second page is for the Secretary-General of the organization, who is a politician and diplomat and already has a page on Arabic Wikipedia.

This person sent a real links showing that the pages were live, and we confirmed it by visiting the link from multiple devices. The page were not in "draft" status. After that, I released the remaining payment. However, a week later, the pages were deleted from Wikipedia.

I have since tried to republish the pages, but each time I face significant difficulties in meeting the requirements.

My question is: Why did the Wikipedia administration approve and publish the pages correctly, only to delete them so easily afterward? If I want to file a formal complaint, to whom should I direct it?

Please note that this issue has caused me significant embarrassment at work, and I might even get fired because of it, especially since we paid the freelancer a considerable amount of money.

Here are the links to the two pages:

1-

https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/wiki/Draft:Khalifa_International_Award_for_Date_Palm_and_Agricultural_Innovation

2-

https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/wiki/Draft:Abdelouahhab_Zaid Bilalkiaai (talk) 08:35, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

There is a complicated history here. Draft:Abdelouahhab Zaid was created by User:Nuel Jr (since indefinitely blocked as an undeclared paid editor). Nuel Jr converted a draft to an article without going through the required AfC process. An editor converted if back to a draft. User:Bilalkiaai has been editing the draft, and on User page has declared PAID status for the other article, but not this one. That ommission should be remedied and the draft can be submitted. The other draft has been submitted to AfC and Declined. In answer to the questions, reviewers approve drafts, not Administrators, and in both instances the original paid editor avoided the review process. I am guessing both were deleted because they were created by an undeclared paid editor. David notMD (talk) 09:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Mr. David

What I should do now?

how can I republish it

As you see, it non profit "Award". even it's published successfully in Arabic Wikipedia version Bilalkiaai (talk) 09:07, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

The Wikipedias of different languages are independent of each other. The fact that a subject has an article in Arabic-language Wikipedia does not mean that it can get one in English-language Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 09:13, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

[Edit clash] :I only looked at the one draft. Bilalkiaai uploaded the first version of Draft:Khalifa International Award for Date Palm and Agricultural Innovation on 28 July 2022. The draft was abandoned, and for this reason deleted. On 19 May 2024 Nuel Jr (now persona non grata) recreated it and a few hours later promoted it to full article status. On 5 July 2024 it was judged too promotional to be an article, and moved to a draft (so that it could be stripped of promotionalism and otherwise improved). A few hours later it was judged too promotional even to be a draft, and deleted. On 6 August 2024 Bilalkiaa recreated the draft. As I look at the draft I don't see any summary within it of any discussion of the award by any reliable, disinterested source: thus the award seems to fail the test for notability. I wish you luck getting your money back. -- Hoary (talk) 09:10, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

For Draft:Abdelouahhab Zaid, you should first add that to your declaration of PAID on your User page, and given that you have already cut a lot of the bad content, submit it to AfC. That will elicit a review. David notMD (talk) 09:17, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I have tagged Draft:Abdelouahhab Zaid with a banner that allows you to submit it for review. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:00, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Need help improving my page

Hello everyone, I tried to create a wiki page, but my submissions are declined because of COI (even though I added the disclaimer), can someone please help me to improve my page. It is not neutral enough, and I would need someone to tell me what I should add or delete to make it neutral. Moreover, I do not know what sources to add. The goal is not to make it an add, but just to explain the brand. I already read a lot of articles made for wiki-beginners, but I'm a bit lost. Can someone take a little time to review the page and give me advices? Thanks in advance.

User:Aurélie Nanquette/sandbox#Organic Approach Clementine Renaut (talk) 16:23, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Celementine, and welcome to the Teahouse.

As I just said to another new editor above, when a new editor tries to create an article before they have learnt a great deal about how Wikipedia works, they often have a very frustrating experience. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

Looking at your draft, most of the history section is unsourced, and a lot of it is irrelevant. Why on earth would an encyclopaedia article about a company mention that its founder was in the army during WWI? (never mind using the poetic rather than encyclopaedic language "joined the ranks of") Or that his son fought in WWII?

An article about a company should summarise what independent reliable published sources say about the company, and that is all (apart possibly from a small amount of uncontroversial factual information - eg dates and locations - from non-independent published sources).

One of the difficulties of writing with a COI is that it is difficult to forget absolutely everything you know about the subject and simply summarise what other people have published about it - especially if you disagree with what they say. But that is what you need to do. ColinFine (talk) 16:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I am an AfC reviewer. The first thing I advise you to do is removed everything in the article that is not cited. The purpose of Wikipedia is to summarise what independent sources say about a topic, so it does not make sense to have all the incited information. Past reviewers have mentioned this.

There is also quite a bit that seems to be information that you, as someone connected with the topic, wants the world to know. This is also not the purpose of Wikipedia.

I wonder if you may have written the draft backwards? -- NotCharizard ^🗨 17:04, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Made big cuts. Cut more before submitting again. David notMD (talk) 17:23, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Under your current User name, there is no evidence that you have denied COI or PAID. David notMD (talk) 17:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for telling me, I added the disclaimer in my profile Clementine Renaut (talk) 17:48, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Currently at Draft:Champagne Telmont. David notMD (talk) 13:30, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for what you have done and your advices, I also made cuts and tried my best to change the vocabulary as I don't speak English fluently, do you think it is ready to submit ? Clementine Renaut (talk) 14:08, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I am not a Reviewer. David notMD (talk) 20:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Question about page move

Hi, quick question, does moving a page (for renaming purposes) nullify its reviewed status and hence is required to be patrolled again before it can be indexed in search results? Thank you. — ‎‎‎hhypeboyh 💬 • ✏️ 05:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

AFAIK, it keeps its reviewed status if it is just a simple move. Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:13, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Ca: Thank you for the answer! — ‎‎‎hhypeboyh 💬 • ✏️ 22:34, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Should I resubmit or not?

Hi,

This draft is currently on hold, as it lacks notabilities. One of the reviewers stated that, I might get blocked forever If I submit the draft for review again. Now, I'm in dual situation.

Should I resubmit it or move on.? As I have spent a lot of time for this draft only.

Thank You. —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 16:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Perfectodefecto. Assuming you're talking about Draft:Pawandeep Rajan, it has been rejected, which is the end of the road. Please don't spend any more time on this. ColinFine (talk) 16:34, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

The draft is not "on hold", and it has not been declined. It has been rejected. That means resubmission is considered disruptive, so cut your losses and move on. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:56, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

alright. Now everything is clear. Thanks. —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 23:56, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

email address

So when I created my account I put in the wrong email address by accident and I was wondering if there is any way to change that without creating a whole new acount. Jaymie Campbell (talk) 23:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

• Jaymie Campbell, go to your "Preferences" section and you will find your email address in your "User profile". You can correct your email address there. Cullen328 (talk)

social need

41.122.3.141 (talk) 14:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a question? David notMD (talk) 15:56, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey, are you asking for someone to talk to if so go to Jaymie Campbell user page Jaymie Campbell (talk) 00:44, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

phil

can i please edit the page Philadelphia Pennsylvania Philipf1234 (talk) 23:29, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Philipf1234. Your account is autoconfirmed, so you can edit Philadephia in compliance with our policies and guidelines. Cullen328 (talk) 00:52, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Family Business

Hi, I find it very annoying that in the following article Family business that TMP or The Maria Principle is mentioned but my thesis is not mentioned in the list of references. Could someone who understands editing please add it in for me. Much appreciated in advance! Factors that influence positive succession outcomes and longevity in long-lasting Australian family enterprises

Scotland, A. (2010)

Factors that influence positive succession outcomes and longevity in long-lasting Australian family enterprises

https://researchportal.scu.edu.au/esploro/outputs/doctoral/Factors-that-influence-positive-succession-outcomes/991012821138902368/filesAndLinks?index=0 Luminous88 (talk) 02:02, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

That mention was added by Tony.scotland (talk · contribs) some years ago. Since it was a bit of inappropriate self promotion, I have removed the mention. I trust that resolves the issue. MrOllie (talk) 02:16, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Greetings MrOllie. Yes, I added the reference to The Maria Principle in 2011, 13 years ago because I thought that my research was relevant to this topic. If I was interested in self-promotion I would acted sooner on getting my thesis referenced. If you would kindly reinsert the mention of The Maria Principle and add in the reference to my thesis, that would be much appreciated. 49.181.218.81 (talk) 02:45, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't believe it should have been added in the first place so I will not reinsert it. MrOllie (talk) 02:49, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

On Wikipedia, references are used to cite reliable sources that support an article's claims. Most theses are not reliable:

Masters dissertations and theses are considered reliable only if they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence.
— Wikipedia:Reliable sources § Scholarship

jlwoodwa (talk) 02:18, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Greetings jlwoodwa, I am not sure what constitutes "significant scholarly influence" but I can tell you that my thesis has been downloaded more than 5,000 times in over 20 academic institutions in over 20 countries globally. 49.181.218.81 (talk) 02:47, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Downloads are not really a measure of influence. If it had been cited 5,000 times (or even 500 times) that would be 'significant scholarly influence.' MrOllie (talk) 02:52, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected talk page for non-autoconfirmed user

User:GDColon is not autoconfirmed, but his talk page is semi-protected due to vandalism. Is he still be able to edit his talk page? BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 21:34, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

BombCraft8, that account has not edited in well over four years, and had only made three edits. It seems that their user talk page attracted lots of vandalism because of their online persona on other websites. If they were to return to editing and request unprotection of their talk page, I think that request would be granted. Cullen328 (talk) 01:29, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Makes sense BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 03:26, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Looking for better image - Michael A. Hess

This image of Michael A. Hess, former Republican Party Chief Counsel and subject of the book "The Lost Child of Philomena Lee", later a movie, screams "fake" to me... https://freshlyworded.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/michael_hess_lawyer.jpg - head too large for body, lighting of same does not match the remainder of photo - very odd. Nevertheless it is reproduced as the "official portrait 1998 1988" of the subject in Martin Sixsmith's book; for now I have added a cropped version of it to the WP article (it was there before but I removed it as too weird)... Is there anybody with access to a yearbook or similar for the Republican Party of that era who might be able to supply a better one? Just hoping. Or any other comments on this particularly odd image... Thanks in advance. Tony 1212 (talk) 18:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Well the crop doesn't show his body so it looks fine to me in the article. Bear in mind that official portraits are inevitably Photoshopped these days which may be why it looks odd. Shantavira|^{feed me} 18:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, there was a typo in my original post, for 1998 read 1988, now adjusted... I don't think photoshop was around then (??), although manual cut-out and paste was of course an option! But I still wonder why, and whether a better original might exist in hard copy somewhere... Tony 1212 (talk) 19:03, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Photoshop was "originally created in 1987" according to the relevant WP article. So this could be an early effort I guess!! Tony 1212 (talk) 19:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

At first glance, it doesn't scream "fake" to me, it screams "I want to sell you a used car!" ~Anachronist (talk) 21:07, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

The "head too large for body" effect may be due to his sideways stance's making his body look thinner and thus smaller in relation to his head. Deor (talk) 21:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

His hairdo exaggerates the effect also. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

This image https://i.postimg.cc/vTBvnCZV/20240819-162505-modded.jpg shows what he would look like (roughly) with head reduced by 10% relative to the rest of the body ... about what seems right to me (just an aside, I do not intend to use this picture because according to my theory it is still not his body, or probably his room). Ideally a non-tampered with image would still be better, if one can be found - maybe not... Cheers Tony Tony 1212 (talk) 05:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

If that picture would be used, it would be best to crop it so it's just a headshot anyway. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:35, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Correct - in fact that is the picture I did use (without the resizing), body mostly cropped away (the cleanest version I can locate). So the "problem" is effectively invisible in the WP article, except for a little area around the neck maybe. Still does not account for the notional "fakeness" of the image as discussed above, which prompted my suggestion that there might be something more accurate out there, but again as stated above, maybe this is the best we can get. Another consideration - I have treated this as a "fair use", but non public domain image, uploaded for the purposes of gracing this WP article only; if a verifiable official US govt. portrait could be located, that might be in the public domain, therefore more widely useable. Just a thought. Regards - Tony Tony 1212 (talk) 18:11, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, he wasn't a government official, he was a lawyer for the Republican Party, so it's unlikely there would be a government portrait. I think that's the best we can do. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:49, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Tony 1212 (talk) 04:08, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Editor erasing our page info

Hi. i am a member of green jello. Our drummer, myself and our museum creator keep trying to update the wiki page and one editor keeps deleting our information regarding members, history and website. How do i resolve this? Rosie Euck Jellÿ (talk) 04:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Rosie Euck Jellÿ

Since you have a conflict of interest with the this article it's not appropriate to be editing it directly, rather follow these instructions for making an edit request.

If you want more on the relevant policies I'd suggest reading the Plain and Simple Conflict of Interest Guide - and particuarly under Advice you may want to turn your attention to points 3, 4, 7 and 12.

Hope that helps, -- D'n'B-t -- 05:16, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Rosie Euck Jellÿ, the article about Green Jellÿ says Green Jellÿ has had hundreds of members during its existence, with vocalist Bill Manspeaker the only consistent member throughout. I do not know if "hundreds" is correct but that statement calls into question the unreferenced assertion that this little list of the quirky stage names of otherwise non-notable musicians deserves to be included in this article. Wikipedia does not care in the slightest what the members and others associated with a band want to say about themselves. Acceptable Wikipedia articles about bands summarize what reliable sources completely independent of the band say about the band. So, where did this list come from, and why does in belong on Wikipedia? Cullen328 (talk) 05:39, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

What would be the best way to replace all usages of a file?

Hello, I'm am currently doing a massive overhaul of Slovakia city flags, included in this is replacing old raster flags with their svg counterparts.

What would be the most efficient way replace all uses of "flag_x.jpg" with "flag_x.svg" across all Wiki projects for multiple flags? EnzoTC (talk) 06:03, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

EnzoTC, this question may be better suited to Village pump technical where technically oriented editors tend to congregate. Cullen328 (talk) 06:15, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! EnzoTC (talk) 06:29, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Mentors

Hey,I just made an account today and I didn't get a metor like my sister told me I should. Does anybody know how I can get one. Jaymie Campbell (talk) 00:55, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Jaymie Campbell, you should have one now (I claimed you). Welcome to wikipedia! -- asilvering (talk) 01:06, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

In case other newcomers read this and now want a mentor, you can force the system to assign one by navigating to Special:Preferences and ticking the box "Display newcomer homepage" near the foot of that page. Then when you are viewing your own userpage, you'll see the newcomer homepage as an extra tab, which reveals your mentor. My understanding from WP:GTF is that all new accounts are now being assigned mentors. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:26, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Fixing strange formatting on a File: Page

When looking at File:Webcomic xkcd - Wikipedian protester.png I've noticed that the items under the Other Versions heading are formatted in such a way that it's unclear which caption applies to which image. Looking at the original info on Commons there seems to be no such formatting issues. Is it possible to fix the formatting issue on the en side? 161.11.160.60 (talk) 19:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I see what you mean, IP user: they're laid out in a single vertical list with a large gap between each version and its caption, so the captions are easily misread as relating to the following image.

Unfortunately, this is part of the user interface, rather than anything that an editor can do anything about, so it is unlikely to get addressed here. I suggest bringing it up at WP:VPT. ColinFine (talk) 19:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

This is phab:T118728 from 2015: "Gallery styles missing on local file description pages". Still no fix. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:24, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I see you've commented on that task, thanks for letting me know folks are at least aware of the problem, maybe it'll get fixed someday. 161.11.160.60 (talk) 12:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

banned (from dutch wikipedia)

hey, iam banned from the dutch wikipedia. When does that mean that i get banned here? Zozo7077 (talk) 13:18, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Zozo7077 If you continue your "repeated vandalism" here, you will be blocked in short order. If you don't, there's no reason for you to be blocked here as, unless you do something particularly heinous, you generally won't be blocked on other Wikipediaes, as all of them are linked under the Wikimedia Foundation while still being separate entities. That is called a global block.

It's worth noting that, according to the block on your global account information page, you'll be unblocked tomorrow on NLWiki. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:24, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

ok, thanks Zozo7077 (talk) 13:31, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

How Can I make a Wikipedia page?

How can I make a Wikipedia page? There is no link to the draft site!!!! Atharvawikiwiki (talk) 14:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

WP:FIRST explains the process. -- asilvering (talk) 14:40, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Adding Suggest bot to my talk page

I have tried to add the code in the source but it has not worked, What else should I try to do? User talk:CharlieRidesRollerCoasters CharlieRidesRollerCoasters (talk) 22:25, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you in advance CharlieRidesRollerCoasters (talk) 02:21, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@CharlieRidesRollerCoasters You seem to have added the code correctly. The bot does go down occasionally. I suggest you post at User talk:SuggestBot mentioning the problem. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:49, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok, Sounds good i will do that! Thank you for your help! CharlieRidesRollerCoasters (talk) 15:14, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia page not yet accepted

I'm not sure why my Wikipedia page on Masutaro Otani has not yet been accepted. Please could it be reviewed. Finlay73 (talk) 14:44, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Masutaro Otani Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^{Dr. Wu is NOT a Doctor!} 14:51, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Finlay73 The review process is heavily backlogged: please be patient. You haven't implemented my earlier suggestion of converting all these bare-URL external links into something more reader-friendly. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:15, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I added page numbers to them. I thought that’s what you wanted? Finlay73 (talk) 15:25, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

The external links are all still bare urls, as opposed to formatted references. For example,

• https://www.usadojo.com/a-tribute-to-matsutaro-otani-sensei/

should become

• "A Tribute To Matsutaro Otani Sensei", USAdojo.com, 25 April 2012

Cremastra (talk) 15:27, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

This can take several months. There is huge queue of articles waiting to be reviewed, and they are done so in random order. Cremastra (talk) 15:15, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Finlay73 You are in luck: it has now been accepted. Cremastra's suggestion for the external links is a good example. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:44, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Rejected draft

It wasn't a test edit, the page was intentionally left blank to be correct. Please accept my draft. Also, the admin who declined the draft is deliberately refusing to answer. 78.208.149.146 (talk) 14:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

IP editor. If you don't stop wasting everyone's time with Draft:List of adeguate admins you are likely to be blocked. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

.... and has been, after more nonsense. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:03, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

it was likely declined for a good reason, i would suggest not bothering people who are just trying to do their job. especially considering editors and such arent really paid. ogusokumushi^{( ? )} 15:58, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Draft: Gary Walkow

I submitted a draft of a page for filmmaker Gary Walkow on July 25 (Draft:Gary Walkow). The draft page says "Review waiting; please be patient," and I am happy to wait. But the page "Gary Walkow" says that the Walkow page was deleted by user Liz, who gave the reason "extremely unnotable, obviously self-written." Is review waiting? Or has the page been rejected? Any help will be appreciated. Best, Dan Sallitt Sallitt (talk) 17:04, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Sallitt: there was an article, Gary Walkow, but it was deleted a year or so ago. There is currently a pending draft Draft:Gary Walkow awaiting review. Hope that answers your question. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:21, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, thanks! - Dan Sallitt (talk) 18:19, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm writing about myself and I know it is valid.

Hi! I made my first article and it is about myself. I am a musician, DJ and fetish photographer: very well known in Finland and working in London and Berlin as an artist etc. How can I proof that my article should be published and that "I am notable person"? I wanted to made this article since my career/artistry needs to have public information for my clients and fans. Thanks! Peterjuhan (talk) 13:46, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Peterhuhan. It sounds as if (like many people) you are mistaking Wikipedia for a promotional website. Wikipedia has very little interest in what you or your associates say about you, and absolutely no interest in what your career wants or needs.

Only if there is substantial reliably published material about you, wholly independent of you and your associates, (see WP:42) could there be an article about you; and you are very strongly discouraged from trying to write it yourself: see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. ColinFine (talk) 18:26, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Peter Juhan

If you are well known, it is possible that other people have written about you already. Using the information those people have written, be it in books, news articles, et cetera, an article can be written about you. It's discouraged to write an autobiography, however, because you will be inherently biased towards yourself. Also, having a Wikipedia article about yourself is not necessarily a good thing. My recommendation, if you want to have public information for your clients and fans, is to create a website that is unrelated to Wikipedia, where you will have full control of the content. See: WP:OUTLETS. Reconrabbit 13:51, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I'll just add that if you're at the stage of your career where you "need to have public information for your clients", you're not yet a "notable person" as defined by wikipedia, sorry. We only have articles on people once there is an abundance of public information out there on them already. -- asilvering (talk) 14:18, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Please do not proceed with trying to get your draft published without provided citations to reliable sources to verify what is being stated. There is none at the moment and a review will fail. If you have to tell us that you are notable then chances are that you are not. We need to know what others say about you in published reliable sources, not you about yourself. --ARoseWolf 14:28, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Expand the Article

Hi, can someone please expand this article Muhammad Ali Swati he is famous pakistani rescuer his crucial role in the dramatic rescue operation of a group of children trapped in a cable car in the Battagram district of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan, in August 2023. he has also setup world highest zilpline in kp pakistan https://propakistani.pk/2023/05/30/kaghan-valley-unveils-worlds-tallest-zipline/ https://tribune.com.pk/story/2418947/south-asias-longest-zipline-launched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRSZ70dZOVs Janabanigu (talk) 15:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Janabanigu Neither of these reports mentions Ali Swati, so they are of no use in confirming his role in setting up the new zipline. If you can find a reliable source that does cover this, you can add it to the article yourself. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:50, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

i have i will add thanks Janabanigu (talk) 16:35, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull it's not currently searchable could you check? Janabanigu (talk) 16:36, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

New articles are generally not allowed to be made searchable by web search engines (such as Google) until either they have been reviewed by the New Pages Patrol, or 90 days has elapsed, whichever comes sooner. {The poster formerly known as as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.209.45 (talk) 18:26, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

reFill

What's up with the tool reFill? I get "403 - Forbidden" when I go to the site (https://refill.toolforge.org/). TwoScars (talk) 19:31, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, TwoScars. WP:ReFill says: "If the above link is down, please instead use https://refill.toolforge.org/ng/" ColinFine (talk) 19:43, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Can a page have multiple requests for page move?

Can multiple controversial moves be requested for pages including a page on which there is already a request to move is present? Could anyone suggest a solution? Neutralhappy (talk) 17:36, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Neutralhappy welcome to Teahouse! No, a WP:DISCUSSFORK makes little sense and can be disruptive. If you have a different target/proposed title, then suggest it at the original requested move discussion. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 20:57, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Resume-like page flag removal

Hi there, I am a staff member for a scientist whose page was just flagged to be "like a resume". We are hoping to get this flag removed. I have checked the page against the guidelines and am not sure what needs to change. Everything on the page is true and written with unbiased language.

Here is the page: Bruce M. McLaren

I could use help figuring out what specifically to change so that I can go ahead and make these edits. Thank you! Danielpo22 (talk) 14:24, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Almost everything in the article is referenced with information published by McLaren himself or groups he is associated with. A Wikipedia article should summarize what sources independent of the subject have to say about them, not what the subject has to say about themself. Reconrabbit 14:33, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Danielpo22, I've removed the resume material. -- asilvering (talk) 14:35, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Danielpo22 If you wish to contribute to the article, then it is mandatory under Wikipedia's terms and conditions that you declare yourself as a WP:PAID editor in relation to that article, as you are a staff member. See that link for how to do that. Afterwards, you should not edit the article itself, owing to your conflict of interest but may make suggestions about content on its Talk Page. There is an edit request wizard to use which makes that fairly easy. Make sure you back up your suggestions with reliable published sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:41, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Corrected the template error on their user page as a courtesy. --ARoseWolf 14:54, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Danielpo22 (talk) 14:58, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Mike,

I've undone my change in order to adhere to the guidelines. Now that other editors have removed the resume elements, I've made a suggestion to remove the flag. Is it possible you could go in and remove the flag now that it is changed?

Thank you! Danielpo22 (talk) 14:59, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

One of my major concerns when I first look at the article is that better than 95% of the 63 sources are all written by the subject. We want to know what independent sources say about the subject. --ARoseWolf 15:04, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

As I've just pointed out to you elsewhere, our COI guideline does not, as you claim above, mean that User:Danielpo22 cannot edit the article at all. Indeed, one of the ways in which it says that COI editors may contribute to is to "add independent reliable sources when another editor has requested them". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:02, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi there,

I appreciate you making the changes to the article. Is it possible you could remove the flag now?

Thank you! Danielpo22 (talk) 15:03, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for making the COI declaration and reverting your removal of the flag. I haven't made any edits to the article as it is not really one of my interests. Others are now working on it. To my eyes, it is still quite resume-like: for example the first paragraph about McClaren's career is entirely based on his own website entry. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:12, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

At Bruce M. McLaren a suggestion that Selected papers be reduced to fewer than ten. David notMD (talk) 23:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Resubmitting a rejected bio

After making corrections requested by the reviewing editor, I am ready to resubmit Draft:Cristina Eisenberg. However, the reviewer claims she is not notable. I disagree: she holds a named chair at a major institution, and she is the lead author on a major White House report in her field. Plus she is an Indigenous scientist, so including her can help address the gender and Indigenous gaps in Wikipedia. Can I make this argument somewhere in the draft so the next reviewer can see it? I don't want to risk this getting rejected again. Thanks for your help! Bodhipup (talk) 21:31, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Your draft was declined NOT rejected, rejection would mean no further chance, but declined means you can improve it and re-submit. Theroadislong (talk) 21:36, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Great, good to know, thanks! Bodhipup (talk) 22:35, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Theroadislong, just to let you know that I clarified the bio to emphasize her endowed chair (with source) and added a paragraph (with source) to call attention to her federal-level leadership in her field. Are you the person who would respond to or remove the comment in the draft about not meeting notability criteria? https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/wiki/Draft:Cristina_Eisenberg Thanks! Bodhipup (talk) 04:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

The article itself needs to state these details, with citations to verify them. Being an Indigenous scientist does not sound like a detail of notability, unless you can find a ref that discusses it (are Indigenous peoples rare or under-represented in this field, has she been profiled in a way that highlights this aspect, etc.). The article says she is, and we know about the coverage gap, but that's not a basis for inclusion if she's not actually notable for other things. DMacks (talk) 21:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

The opening sentence states her Indigeneity. The details of gender and Indigenous gaps are not material for a bio, in my understanding. The second paragraph states her academic position, with citation. What more is needed, specifically? Bodhipup (talk) 22:34, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

This helps, thanks! Bodhipup (talk) 23:44, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Bodhipup. Notability, in Wikipedia's sense, does not depend much on what the subject is, does, says, or creates, but on whether independent people have published enough material about the subject. If somebody is notable in the ordinary sense of the word, it is likely that there has been independent material published about them, but not always. It is the writer's responsibility to find and cite those independent sources which cover the subject in depth. Source written, published, or commissioned by the subject or their associates contribute nothing. ColinFine (talk) 21:50, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I am following https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(academics), where it says that any one of the 8 criteria simply has to be verified by a reputable source for the person to be considered notable. #5 is holding a named chair. That is stated in the article, and a reputable source is cited. Bodhipup (talk) 22:30, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bodhipup I don't see a citation to a named chair, only one that says she is "the Maybelle Clark Macdonald Director of Tribal Initiatives", which I don't think is equivalent (and for which no Wikipedia article exists to show that endowment is itself notable). If you believe this meets academic notability #5, then comment on the draft to point this out for the next review. I think you should use named references. At present, many of your sources are duplicates. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:09, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, this helps clarify. Bodhipup (talk) 19:41, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Mike, I just converted duplicate sources to named references. Thanks for the heads up. Bodhipup (talk) 04:24, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Article Submission declined

I'm a new editor and my submission was declined for this reason;

The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you.

How do I cite my sources using footnotes, and what does that mean. Here's a link to the draft: Draft:Isaac Damian Ezirim

ErinayoObialo (talk) 12:36, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

You were instructed to see Referencing for beginners. That has instructions on how to format website references (your list) and how to insert those into the text. The ref software replaces the inserted ref with a superscript number and shows the ref under References. David notMD (talk) 13:09, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@ErinayoObialo Note that for biographies of living people, the rules for using citations are very strict. You must back up every fact with an inline citation that directly supports the information. See that link for details. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:13, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

1) Find the end of the sentence that you are referencing, and place your cursor there.

2) Go to the button at the top of the editor that looks like a quotation mark. It looks like this --> "

3) Click on it.

4) Add your source link, or manually add it.

5) The source will appear as a bracketed number at the end of your sentence. But you're not done yet.

6) Click the button that looks like this ----> +

7) Click "more"

8) Find references list, and click on it. Move this down below your "references" header.

9) Make sure that in the future you search the swathes of wikipedia content that are out there specifically for learning how to make an article, there are a lot of good things out there.

10) Don't be discouraged, this happens to everyone at some point. Guylaen (talk) 05:02, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

What's the hurry here?

I proposed a move for this article. It was closed by a non-admin within three days, don't understand what's the hurry here. - Talk:2012 Delhi gang rape and murder#c-Soni-20240820064100-Requested move 17 August 2024.

I'm unfamiliar with a relisting. Can anyone help in relisting this requested move? This abrupt closure appears like a hurried attempt. Thewikizoomer (talk) 05:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

It looks to me like it was closed only after the consensus was already apparent. The snowball clause was applied because it didn't seem plausible that the conversation would go any other way. But of course, there might be extra information or reasoning that the previous participants weren't aware of and if that is the case, then a new discussion might be appropriate. -- D'n'B-t -- 06:18, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Why the asssumption though, if we look at a similar discussion, multiple inputs are coming even now. So a relist would appear more appropriate I think. - Talk:2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident#c-2A00:23EE:1928:8C3:951B:C401:3A56:519A-20240816151700-Requested move 16 August 2024 Thewikizoomer (talk) 06:24, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

If you're not in a rush you could always wait for that to be closed and then have a new precedent to work off of for a new discussion. Alternatively, if you want to solve for the general case then you could try for a Request for Comment. -- D'n'B-t -- 06:49, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Ref URL Is Dead and All Archives Are Bad

On 52nd Oklahoma Legislature, this URL is used and is marked dead and has an archive-url but all 3 snapshots on Wayback Machine and 1 snapshot on Archive.today are of error pages.

How should the ref be marked if an alternate link can't be found? Vasusrir429 (talk) 04:44, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

You can always try to find an entirely different source to support the same content; there's no requirement that you replace it with an archived copy of the same source. In this case, my search turned up https://oksenate.gov/sites/default/files/2019-12/2009_legislative_summary.pdf, which on page 53 supports the information in the article. I'll replace the reference with this one. Tollens (talk) 07:47, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

AfD Forum

Greetings, is there a place to discuss AfD issues? An article about a company was G11-deleted last month, and the same author has created another article about the same company under a slightly different name. The new article still looks pretty promotional and non-notable to me but I was wondering if there was a place to go to get an experienced eye to take a look at it. Celjski Grad (talk) 16:45, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Celjski Grad: I guess you're looking for either WT:AFD or WT:CSD, although in this case you may be better off asking here. C F A 💬 17:02, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks CFA — the old article, deleted 23 July was 1440: The knowledge company for the intellectually curious. The new article, created the next day by the same person, is 1440 (company). Since the old article isn't accessible I can't compare them. I can also post at WT:AFD if no one here responds. Celjski Grad (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't qualify for G11 speedy deletion, because the prose itself is not wholly written in a promotional tone. Whether the article was created to promote the company doesn't really matter. As to whether the company is notable: I'm not really sure. A lot of the sources out there (and in the article, for that matter) seem to be reposted press releases, which don't count towards notability. There's this article in the Press Gazette and this article in Snopes, though, which may be enough to meet WP:NCORP. Nominating it for deletion may be the best course of action here to get broader input, but that's up to you. C F A 💬 17:28, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks for taking a look. Celjski Grad (talk) 17:29, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I could compare them. The deleted article had the same content but with a lot of promotional language. That language was omitted in the new article although some original unsourced sentences remain. I have moved it to Draft:1440 (company) because it's hard to determine notability with all the citations to the company's own publications and press releases.

I also blocked the author for failing to answer about undisclosed paid editing; instead she simply created the new article. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:36, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for looking. The speed of approval of the new article was surprising to me given its history (and the author's talk page). Celjski Grad (talk) 09:15, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Uploading my first article - question

Hi,

I'm trying to upload my first article - Draft:Titan Wealth - and I want to make sure it's going through the review process. I did click 'publish' a couple of weeks ago but I'm unsure if it's actually being reviewed, especially as it still has 'Draft:' in the title. Can anyone help me or reassure?

Thank you BLWright236 (talk) 09:20, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

BLWright236 Hello. I fixed your link, the whole url is not needed. You have not submitted it for a review, and you lack the information to do so- I will add it shortly, but if you were to submit it, it is not likely to be accepted, as it just tells about the company and what it does. An article about a company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company.

You must disclose your connection with this company- see WP:COI and WP:PAID. You claim that you personally created, and own the copyright to, the logo, and have made it available for anyone to use for any purpose with attribution. 331dot (talk) 09:29, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Email and password is sockpuppet

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Email and password not have. has have only IP address information for CheckUsers 122.53.42.251 (talk) 09:32, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

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Can Create new account as not a sock? Email and a password not bad? 122.53.42.251 (talk) 04:37, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are asking. Multiple accounts are allowed in some cases. See WP:VALIDALT. If an account has been blocked as a sockpuppet, then that needs to be resolved before attempting to create any more accounts. RudolfRed (talk) 04:39, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

If you are asking if "sockpuppet" is a good password, it is not. You can see some guidance for passwords at Wikipedia:User_account_security RudolfRed (talk) 04:41, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@RudolfRed Hello why CheckUsers can see a email and password to accounts? 122.53.42.251 (talk) 04:42, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

My understanding is they do not have access to passwords, only IP address information. RudolfRed (talk) 04:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@RudolfRed have access to Emails for CheckUsers. this is last reply 122.53.42.251 (talk) 04:51, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I am not certain what you are asking, have you previously had a Wikipedia account? Tollens (talk) 07:20, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Tollens im 0 Wikipedia accounts thanks! 122.53.42.251 (talk) 07:56, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Arbitration on edit?

How can I seek arbitration on an edit? An article about a song has endured the continuous reversal of a small edit, an edit that is based on a valid and substantive citation / reference. An editor added a detail to the article’s infobox, based on this source some time ago, and it has been removed a number of times by editors with little or no editing history. I’ve restored the small edit several times over the last couple of years but editors who seem particularly focused on this specific article keep removing this cited detail. Any help in settling this edit would be appreciated. 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 11:03, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@1987atomheartbrother Assuming this is about Yet Another Movie the standard process of collaboration (see WP:BRD) is to start a discussion with other editors at Talk:Yet Another Movie, which neither you nor anyone else has done. If that doesn't solve the issue, then proceed to dispute resolution. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:08, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

1987atomheartbrother: if you do open a discussion there, you could start by withdrawing your accusation of vandalism. Here on Wikipedia, "vandalism" does not mean "expressing an opinion I disagree with". See WP:VANDAL for what it does mean. Maproom (talk) 15:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

1987atomheartbrother Further to the correct responses above, your edit summaries, and your comment here, claim that the fact you seek to add is "cited", but you don't include a citation of any sort (much less one that is both independent of Carin, and reliable) in your edits. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:12, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Maproom@Michael D. Turnbull@Pigsonthewing - I’ll start a discussion on the page shortly and am happy to initiate a discussion about the cited item. Any of the editors who have removed this reference can make their case there too, no problem (but they haven’t). The article cited includes perspectives from more than Carin. So I think it’s worth the discussion. Thank you. 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 23:12, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

You again say "The article cited", and yet you did not cite any article. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:53, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi

I would like to edit here, but I don't how to cite a source. Can someone please help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.114.29.178 (talk) 17:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! Try WP:TUTORIAL, and you might want to take a look at WP:REGISTER. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:00, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

See also Help:Referencing for beginners. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Could anyone take a look at this?

Template:Did you know nominations/Europapa Sekundenlang (talk) 16:46, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, that's handled via WP:DYK. Please go there for more information about the process. 331dot (talk) 16:50, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Sekundenlang It can take a few days for those who follow up on DYKs to get to new nominations. It is a bit unusual for someone not involved in editing an article to nominate it for a DYK but, no doubt, you had good reasons to do so. For what it's worth, I prefer the ALt0 to ALT1, as the former is more "hooky", IMO. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:06, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

• ALT1 is a reference to how Joost Klein wore Klein blue. - Sekundenlang (talk) 10:37, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Silent Disco Origins and History - How to correct the record?

This isn't going anywhere, and the requester has ignored the good advice they have been given. The section is no longer being used to make a request for help, but as a soapbox. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:30, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I would like to correct the wikipedia page about silent disco, Silent disco more specifically the history of silent disco. It has been a frustrating experience every time i look at that page and i try to share the truth about the origins and history of the silent disco. 1st, i claim to be the one that came up with the concept, before most of the entrances i see there. Only a fiction movie came first. 2nd, The attribution to eco activists the organisation of silent disco is false. They were not having a dance party or a disco with headphones, they were listening to life bands. NOT PARTY. 3rd, Saying that watching a Football game at a festival using headphones has anything to do with history of silent disco makes no sense. Watching a football or watching a life band, has nothing top so with disco. 4th, IT IS IN THE NAME - silent disco is a disco, is a party. It has nothing to so with football or concert 5th, The Walkman street dance i had with friends in Portugal is much more similar to silent disco than any of the above. Actually is not only similar, IT IS A SILENT DISCO. If a group of people dancing with their Walkmans / headphones is not a silent disco, then what the heck is a silent disco? But even thou it is a silent disco and it took place long before any of the other events described in the article, it has no right to be there. Why is that? Silent disco is part of my life history. I write about it here in German https://silentdisco.de/silent-disco-urspruenge-geschichte/ and here in english https://silentdiscotheque.com/silent-disco-history-origins-invention/ 6th, So not only was the concept robbed from me by nico okkerse, now wikipedia since years does not allow me to correct the record. Who are you to deny my life history? Not enough sources? Well how can i have any other source if you keep since years denying the truth? Vibronix2 (talk) 16:48, 21 August 2024 (UTC) @Vibronix2: Welcome to the Teahouse. Anyone is free to edit Wikipedia, but claims need to be cited to reliable sources. To put it bluntly: Your random blog is not a reliable source. If it was, then anyone would be able to buy a domain, publish whatever they want, then use it to cite that information on Wikipedia. You may also wish to see Wikipedia's policy on promotion and Wikipedia's policy on citation spam. C F A 💬 17:17, 21 August 2024 (UTC) That is not a random blog or blogs, that is my life story where i detail the origins and part of silent disco history. So because it is my own blog or part of my life story and the truth about silent disco, it has no right to be there? I see How can the page claim to describe facts about the history of silent disco and me, the one that basically came up with it, has no right to be mentioned.? 40 years ago there were no smartphones to make pics of the events , you know that right? Im also the one that brought it directly to the ears of the one that labeled and commercialized the concept, but wikipedia writes in the history of silent disco , a story about watching football with headphones? what the heck is that for silent disco? Also wikipedia lie about the eco activists, they were not having a party or a disco. They were LISTENING to life bands. Spor the difference? How can that be the history of silent disco? The label silent disco was given by the guys in Netherlands, nico okkerse and thats why he also got the silentdsico.com domain He was able to commercialize the concept after i shared it with him. Trying to get him as a partner. See thats history of silent disco, not watching football or a life concert Vibronix2 (talk) 17:49, 21 August 2024 (UTC) This is how wikipedia describes a silent disco A silent disco or silent rave is an event where people dance to music listened to on wireless headphones Having parties with walkmans in the 80s, like we did, is a rave with headphones. watching football with headphones is not part of silent disco history listening to a life band with headphones by eco activists is not a party. its not a rave. the name silent disco originated in the netherlands not in some festival, like you describe in your article. it was named stille disco - silent disco in dutch. Vibronix2 (talk) 17:58, 21 August 2024 (UTC) Vibronix2, you may want to read WP:Verifiability, not truth and WP:Reliable sources. Wikipedia only includes (summaries of) information (other than uncontroversial facts) that has been published in Reliable sources independent of the subject in question. Bear in mind also that sometimes two or more people come up with the same idea or invention independently. There is an old saying: "Steam engines appear when it's steam engine time." {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.209.45 (talk) 18:37, 21 August 2024 (UTC) There is only one person in the World claiming to come up with the concept of silent disco and a wikipedia page that distorts the truth. There is nobody else out there claiming to have birthed the silent disco. if it is show me? There goes your steaming machine argument. Ive been claiming it since years but every time i try to correct it in wikipedia, someone just keeps deleting it and in place lets the garbage that is there. Your page correctly describes what is a silent disco, but then it goes on to present football game as part of silent disco history. Then it even spreads a lie of activists having a rave or party with headphones, when they were just fucking listening to a life band with wired headphones. how the fuck would they dance with wired headphones? I dont have the connections or the money or the power to go look for reliable sources. To write a book or what whatever Nobody documented me under 4 eyes sharing the concept with the dutch silent disco guys. NOBODY was there making photos of our walkman parties in the park. So if i would pay a reporter on BBC 100000 euros to write the story then you would accept it as reliable source... wtf Vibronix2 (talk) 18:49, 21 August 2024 (UTC) Any outlet what would write a story in exchange for a bribe like that wouldn't be a reliable source either. MrOllie (talk) 18:56, 21 August 2024 (UTC) If you can convince the BBC to take a bribe, then yes, we probably would. But good luck with that. C F A 💬 18:57, 21 August 2024 (UTC) see, thats what i mean, if the story show up on bbc then you dont complain, you would just accepted as truth- knowing what i know about the silent disco, your page about it is just a shame. It is spreading a lie since ever. Just like that Nico Okkerse was spreading his lie for many years, till i told him to stop lying. Till i posted my articles in the pages i shared with you and send it to all his friends and workers. Then he stopped spreading the lie that it was his brainchild. But Wikipedia? well it keeps spreading BS. Ok dont publish or mention my part of the deal but at leat dont claim that you know anything about silent disco story when you put a fucking activist group listening to a band as a fucking rave. get real Vibronix2 (talk) 19:09, 21 August 2024 (UTC) Here more food for thought the first silent disco parties as you know them now, happend in the netherlands in 2000s and were stille discos, then when it became international, it changed in silent discos. see i know more history of silent disco, then your page claims. the reason that i know it is because i been there all the way, since the 80s in protugal with our walkmans and then in the 2000s in the netherlands with the guy that stole my concept and commercialize it. Thats the true history of silent disco, not the garbage false bs in your page Vibronix2 (talk) 19:25, 21 August 2024 (UTC) Your question has been answered above. Random or not, a blog is not a reliable source by Wikipedia's definition. You need to find those sources before making those edits. Shantavira|feed me 18:37, 21 August 2024 (UTC) There are no sources about what im telling you or what i write in my webpages. Thats the source. Nobody was with smartphones 40 years ago taking photos of our walkman dance parties. Nobody documented me sharing the concept with the silentdisco.com man the wikipedia page does not even have the fucking basic story. For example, why is it called silent disco, ? do you know, do your users know? because it was called stille disco - silent disco in dutch Why is it that the story of the name is not there? there are reliable sources out there about it Why is a football game described as a fact in the history of silent disco, A PARTY WITH HEADPHONES? Never mind, just keep your false narrative over silent disco... you win Vibronix2 (talk) 18:58, 21 August 2024 (UTC) The only person besides me that ever was claiming to create the silent disco was Nico Okkerse, you still can see articles about it everywhere or from his achieved webpage. The reason that you dont hear from him anymore about it? No he is not dead The reason he stopped his false narrative was because i told him to stop. Because he knows i that i know and i was the only one person in the world that could tell him to stop lying That is why you dont see so many stories about him claiming to be the papa of silent disco. He had a free run for 10 years and then i said enough But you wikipedia people need me to tell my life story to BBC or CNN and then is all fine They are not the source, i am the problem is that, that you have a big megaphone and everybody is coming to your page and spread the damn false facts that you put there as truth Vibronix2 (talk) 19:39, 21 August 2024 (UTC) You have been answered, numerous times, and you are basically saying WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. A source must be reliable and independent. Your own blog about your life is just your word and not independent of you. If the BBC were to perform actual journalistic fact checking about what you say, and report on it, then we'd use it. Otherwise, the article must rely only on what published reliable sources say, even if they disagree with you. Your path forward, if you want to change what Wikipedia says, is to convince those sources to make corrections first. Only then can the Wikipedia article be changed accordingly. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:04, 22 August 2024 (UTC) no, its you that is not listening. You dont have to take my word for it or talk about my personal story or have other reliable sources to change the article. This is how wikipedia describes a silent disco A silent disco or silent rave is an event where people dance to music listened to on wireless headphones. How can a silent disco be a rave where people dance with music delivered with headphones and your wikipedia article then go on to describe the history of the silent disco by naming the sources. 1 - describe a eco activist usage of headphones to listen to a life concert, not to distrub the nature, as a rave? Not only it say that it was a party, which is false in it self, a concert or life band is not a rave. THERE WERE NO people dancing with headphones at that Eco event. THEY were listening to life music. spot the difference? 2 - how is watching a football match while wearing headphoines a rave? but that is what you say its the history of silent disco. 3 - how is listening to a band or Djs, a rave or people dancing? but that is what your article defines as the history of silent disco 4 - you say that i need a reputable source to write about my story. Ok why is this a reputable source https://megduguid.com/section/149646-Dance-with-me.html what does this page be a reputable source and mine not? 5 - the term silent disco has been in use before 2005, it was in dutch. Thats part of history too or history is only history when is made in america? is that the reason that https://megduguid.com/section/149646-Dance-with-me.html is a reputable source, because it happened in america and not in portugal in the 80s when the sony walkman came out? 6. what has the following to do with the history of silent disco? As interest increased, more companies organize parties and provide events with wireless headphones. Some companies have offered home kits. 7. the fact that you dont have the guy that labeled this type of event silent disco claiming that he was the great creator of silent disco, is exactly because i told him to stop lying about it. He has all the right to be mentioned as the one that commercialized the concept. He stopped spreading teh lie of being the concept creator because it was me that told him about the concept and he could not destroy my truth. If it was not me bring the truth to him, i am very sure that today, everybody would be praising him as the great creator. He was very effective at spreading story till the point i stopped him Wikipedia history of silent disco is full of shit that does not belong there and what belongs there is not allowed Vibronix2 (talk) 07:34, 22 August 2024 (UTC) SUMMARY: Vibronix2 added a paragraph about origin, citing own blog. Reverted by MrOllie as not a valid reference. Separately, there is a lot above about what does not belong in the article (silent theater, silent street shows, etc.). A better place for that would be the Talk page of the article. I suggest this discussion here at Teahouse be closed and hidden, as it is not productive. David notMD (talk) 09:51, 22 August 2024 (UTC) Correct David notMD‬. I got it, I cant cite my own blog as a reliable source. https://silentdisco.de/silent-disco-urspruenge-geschichte/ and https://silentdiscotheque.com/silent-disco-history-origins-invention/ But lets forget my story and blog even thou its a detailed story. Why is this own blog accepted as a reliable source? https://megduguid.com/section/149646-Dance-with-me.html why? What is in there that is so reliable? where did you verify its reliability? Iets go further why is this part of the silent disco history? A series of silent discos taking place in cathedrals and historic buildings around the UK and Europe was organised in 2024; are you kidding me? United States Why is united states a part of history of silent disco, when the concept originated in Europe and there is nothing that reflects it? All i see in your article makes me believe the concept came from the US. is total garbage Silent discos increased in popularity, and were depicted in television shows including NBC's....??? really All the direction of this history article gives a false story of silent disco history. ALL OF IT The term "silent disco" has been in existence since at least 2005 with Bonnaroo Music Festival  ?? AGAIN USA NO MAN, the term silent disco originated in EUROPE, in the Netherlands before 2005 All the article narrative is meant to give the impression that silent disco came from the US. STOP IT! stop lying to your users Vibronix2 (talk) 10:11, 22 August 2024 (UTC) I did not say that (silent theater, silent street shows, etc.) dont belong in the article. You distorting my words. What i said is that listening to a life band or a dj, is not part of silent disco history. It is not a rave, it is not a party and aas your article say, a silent disco is a rave with headphones. What i said is that watching a football with headphones on is not part of silent disco history. Thats nothing to do with silent disco. Vibronix2 (talk) 10:24, 22 August 2024 (UTC) No no, dont turn it on me. It is you that is ignoring what i say and dont supply any answer to my questions Why is this OWN blog accepted as a reliable source? https://megduguid.com/section/149646-Dance-with-me.html The argument that you use to delete my section is that my blog is not a reliable source. So what is it? watching a football game with headphones on, is not a rave. Why is it in the history of silent disco? Why? Why did the name silent disco originated in the netherlands but its USA that gets the credit for it? You wonder why silentdisco.com is from the netherlands and not from USA? NO`? etc etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vibronix2 (talk • contribs) 10:47, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

AfC reviewing of draft

Hi, Sir MemeGod here (again), with another issue that I have asked far and wide about but with no answer. I have been working on Draft:2020 Cookeville tornado, which I submitted and was recently put under review by a reviewer, but they went sleepy night night and haven't done anything since. It's been over 12 hours, and I have no idea whether they'll review it or not. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 12:58, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Sir MemeGod Wikipedia has no deadlines, in general. Given the reviewer has made a commitment and placed an "under review" tag on the draft, I think you should wait at least a couple of days before reaching out politely on their Talk Page if the review is not complete. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:12, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Page of company

Hello this Rahaf Alansari from MAHAM Group

“We have been trying for the past three months to create a Wikipedia page for our company, Maham for Services and Information Technology in both Arabic and English. Unfortunately, each time we attempt to publish, the page is deleted immediately after submission. What is the solution to this issue?

It is important to note that this company is very well-known in Saudi Arabia, and the owner has made significant contributions to both the Saudi and Emirati communities. The owner is a highly influential figure in their field, with excellent relations across various departments within the Saudi Entertainment Authority. He holds numerous certifications and accolades, has many exceptional qualities, and is a self-made individual.”

This message clearly explains your situation while highlighting the importance and recognition of the company and its owner. 188.53.176.43 (talk) 11:15, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

It does not seem that there has ever been an article titled "Maham Group", "MAHAM Group", or "Maham for Services and Information Technology", or a draft titled "Draft:Maham Group", "Draft:MAHAM Group", or "Draft:Maham for Services and Information Technology". Even if you can provide reliable, disinterested sources for what you say here about the owner of the company, this wouldn't contribute to the notability of the company he owns. As for the company itself, being "very well-known" also doesn't constitute notability. Have reliable, disinterested sources written about the company in some depth? -- Hoary (talk) 12:03, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Rahaf Alansari. I suspect your submission is being deleted for being promotional. Promotion of any kind is not allowed on Wikipedia, which is an encyclopedia, not a business directory. Before trying again I suggest you read WP:BACKWARD and WP:YFA. Please note that being well-known, with significant contributions, being highly influential with excellent relations, having numerous certifications and accolades, and many exceptional qualities are all completely irrelevant to us. Instead we need to see significant coverage in multiple reliable sources completely independent of you or the company. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:30, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

You asked your question without being logged onto an account. The IP 188.53.176.43 shows no activity other than this query. Have you created an account? Has your account received any comments on its Talk page? David notMD (talk) 12:57, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Given your first sentence, WP:PAID applies. That means you are limited to creating and then submitting a draft to the AfC process (after declaring your paid status on your User page). David notMD (talk) 03:57, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1232. In addition to what's been said above, please refrain from using LLMs to forge answers. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:01, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

delete a category?

Hi, I found this Category:Triller and it makes no sense. It is not a category, as far as I can understand. If it should be deleted, how should I go about proposing that it be deleted?

I found Wikipedia:Proposed deletion but that does not seem to apply to categories.

Should I make a Triller disambiguation page for the useful information here? Isoceles-sai (talk) 15:59, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Isoceles-sai: I nominated it for deletion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 22#Category:Triller. Feel free to reply and add your reasoning there. C F A 💬 16:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks ! Isoceles-sai (talk) 16:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not commenting on deletion but it looks like a normal category for Triller (company) and its activities. I have added a parent category and marked Triller (company) as the main article by sorting it under a space. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:30, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Can lists be nominated for DYK?

Hey there! I guess its' a big strange that a host is asking a question, but we've all got room to learn. I just recently had a list published via AfC, and so I was wondering if lists can be nominated for DYK. I quickly skimmed over the guidelines, but I never saw anything about it. Thanks! Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 20:49, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Sir MemeGod Learning and hosting are two-way process always! I would imagine not. For example, recently promoted WP:Good Articles can be nominated for WP:DYK, but lists cannot be promoted to GA. If a list becomes WP:FL, it can be nominated at Wikipedia:Today's featured list so I follow from that, that newly created lists cannot be nominated at DYK. It is not explicitly mention and perhaps criteria can be updated, but the fact that lists are excluded from WP:DYKPROSE further supports intent of criteria to exclude lists in my mind. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 20:54, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I guess that makes sense. The prose would 100% be the biggest issue. Thanks for the help, I've been just around everywhere but to no avail, instead of preparing it for DYK I'll just work it to FL. Thanks again! :) Man, we really need a good list rating. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 20:58, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Someone needs to write List of Featured Lists on Wikipedia and get that to WP:Featured List rating for maximum inception. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 22:54, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

There may not be a point to a list article like that, given that we already have Category:Featured lists. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:07, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

If you can write a good "hook" for a list (and I cannot imagine what would hook anyone into browsing a list) then you should give it a shot for DYK. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:05, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

It is possible. I specifically remember List of individual body parts being featured on DYK. C F A 💬 23:10, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, unlike many other lists I've seen, that one has a lot of prose in it, so I can see pulling some amazing fact out of it for a DYK hook. Similarly @Sir MemeGod: your List of Illinois tornadoes might have an interesting fact in it for a hook. Give it a shot. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:24, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Would something like "Did you know... that there have been ______ tornadoes in Illinois since 1950?" work? Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 14:40, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't know. Is the number unusual compared to surrounding states or to states in Tornado Alley? I looked at your list and it seems tornadoes are rare, although based on File:Tornado_Alley.svg Illinois doesn't seem to be unusual compared to surrounding states. If there's something interesting about a particular tornado, that could be used as a DYK hook also. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Reporting users who don't use edit summaries

Is there a way of dealing with editors that don't use edit summaries at all, and refuse to engage on their talk pages? The users in question are Captain Cornwall (talk · contribs) (97.8% with no summary) and Mauls (talk · contribs) (81.5% with no summary). I know at least Mauls is active on their talk page, as they engaged with another editor immediately after I posted there, but have ignored myself completely... any advice? Danners430 (talk) 07:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

According to the consensus policy, all edits should be explained. So you could try to nudge people on their talk-page (in a friendly way) to use them, trying to emphasize the positive aspects of using edit-summaries (linking to Help:Edit summary will provide some context). I do not think that there is a way to force people to use them, though, and I can't remember a single case where lack of using edit summaries alone has led to a block or such. It would probably fall on their feet when they try to become administrators, though. So my suggestion is: stay friendly, be positive, mention that we are a collaborative project, and using edit summaries is both useful and polite...but do not insist too much. Lectonar (talk) 08:58, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Interestingly I was actually involved in a case, not brought by myself I might add, where a user was taken to ANI purely because of their refusal to use edit summaries…! Not that I would want to take that course of action myself, I feel that’s too far… but just saying that I am aware of a case when it was done. Note that the result wasn’t any action, but the user undertaking to use summaries. Danners430 (talk) 09:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Interesting, but that's the the vicissitudes of life. And yes, ANI is a bit too strong imho, but in the end you must decide for yourself what to do. I gave my 2c, but I am known for using softer approaches when tackling things. Others may, and probably will, disagree. Lectonar (talk) 09:14, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Typically all I do is put a {{uw-editsummary}} template on the user's talk page. For completely nonresponsive editors who don't ever engage in communication on any talk pages and persist in never using edit summaries, they eventually get blocked. This is a collaborative project and they aren't collaborating or communicating in any way. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:53, 22 August 2024 (UTC)