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August 31

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August 31, 2024 (2024-08-31) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis The Israeli military recovers the bodies of six hostages kidnapped by Hamas during the October 7 attack on Israel, including American citizen Hersh Goldberg-Polin, from an underground tunnel near Rafah, Gaza. (NBC News) Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Israeli strikes kill at least 48 people across the Gaza Strip. (Reuters) Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine Five civilians are killed in Ukrainian missile strikes on Belgorod, Russia. (Reuters) Red Sea crisis The Houthis claim they have attacked the Liberia-flagged container ship MV Groton for the second time in the Gulf of Aden. (Reuters) Somali Civil War Al-Shabaab bombs several businesses in the Tabelaha Sheikh Ibrahim neighborhood of Mogadishu, Somalia, targeting shops that had complied with the government's directive to install CCTV cameras. (Idilnews) Disasters and accidents 2024 Kamchatka Mil Mi-8 crash A Russian Air Force Mil Mi-8T helicopter crashes over the Russian Kamchatka Peninsula with all 22 personnel onboard killed. (AP) 2024 Pacific typhoon season The death toll from the effects of Typhoon Shanshan in Japan increases to six, with over 100 people injured. (Reuters) 2024 Yemen floods The death toll from flooding in Al Mahwit Governorate, Yemen, increases to at least 97 people. (DW) Seven people are killed and dozens of others are injured in a bus crash near Vicksburg, Mississippi, United States. (CBS News) Three people are killed and two more injured after a Cessna 421C crashes in a row of townhouses near Troutdale Airport in Troutdale, Oregon, United States. (AP) International relations Foreign relations of Algeria The BRICS New Development Bank authorizes Algeria as a new bank member. (Reuters) Science and technology Ford Motor Company announces it is recalling over 90,000 vehicles due to issues with the engine intake valves. (Reuters) Sports 2024 Summer Paralympics Poland at the 2024 Summer Paralympics Polish F32 Paralympian Róża Kozakowska is disqualified one day after winning gold in the Women's club throw F32 event due to an irregularity with her equipment. (Polsatnews)

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(Posted) RD: Hvaldimir

Article: Hvaldimir (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Famous Russian spy in Norwegian waters Abcmaxx (talk) 06:04, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Cleaned it up by creating a new article for the sole red link in the Hvaldimir article. I think this looks ready to post now. Flyingfishee (talk) 16:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is in good quality and well-sourced. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 02:02, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

(Attention needed) RD: Sonny King

Article: Sonny King (wrestler) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Post Wrestling
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:CCE:9B6D:FAA4:665C (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit), CeltBrowne (talk · give credit) and Vacant0 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American professional wrestler. 240F:7A:6253:1:CCE:9B6D:FAA4:665C (talk) 13:24, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait some cn tags needs to be resolved. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support I've added missing references. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 17:32, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support This has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Stevie Cameron

Article: Stevie Cameron (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC, Toronto Star
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:A178:C2E3:6140:3A54 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Abebenjoe (talk · give credit) and Wellington Bay (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Canadian journalist and author. 240F:7A:6253:1:A178:C2E3:6140:3A54 (talk) 08:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Many sections are unsourced. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 10:19, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose multiple cn tags and Awards section needs sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Obi Ndefo

Article: Obi Ndefo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1], [2]
Credits:

• Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Discospinster (talk · give credit) and Nighthawk189 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 01:39, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Article is a stub. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 03:01, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose just around 175 or so word long prose. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Filmography is unsourced and the article is a stub. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 17:23, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Kamchatka Mil Mi-8 crash

Article: 2024 Kamchatka Mil Mi-8 crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Russia, 22 people die after a Mil Mi-8 (pictured) crashes in Kamchatka. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A Mil Mi-8 helicopter crashes in Kamchatka, Russia, leaving 22 people dead.
News source(s): BBC - Moscow Times - Euromaidan Press
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Ivebeenhacked (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit), Aviationwikiflight (talk · give credit), SignorPignolini (talk · give credit), 72.131.35.93 (talk · give credit) and Air Astana 1388 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: 22 people are dead after a tour helicopter crashed over a volcano in Kamchatka, Russia. The article is largely okay, disregarding the fact that it may need expansion. — Knightoftheswords 15:31, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Support, notable recent accident with fatalities and property loss. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 18:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability, Oppose on quality. While its notable due to the high number of fatalities, the article is still tagged as a stub and more information is needed if possible.

Changing to full Support. Article is now in a decent shape. Cheers. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 20:18, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability due to the number of fatalities, but oppose on quality as the article is a stub. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:39, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Gödel2200 & @Midori No Sora. Article is no longer a stub. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 09:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support: The article isn't great but it should probably get posted anyways. C F A 💬 13:30, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support – As it stands now, the article has been sufficiently developed for the quality to be relatively satisfactory. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 09:43, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - Added altblurb, I also think the image is superfluous regardless of blurb. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support article looks good at a glance, and the event is noteworthy. Scu ba (talk) 15:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Support article is in a good shape and death toll is significant enough. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Given that news will continue to develop on this story as warranted, article is in decent shape--generally consistent with information and structure from a standard Wikipedia airplane crash article. --Pats2017 (talk) 00:35, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Seems good enough. Tradedia^talk 03:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support A single helicopter crash killing 20+ is just barely notable enough to me, and the article's in good shape. The Kip ^(contribs) 06:33, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support -- article is in good shape; borderline perhaps for significance but to me on the right side of that line. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 21:09, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
• @Admins willing to post ITN: is this postable? Natg 19 (talk) 22:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. Spencer^T•C 01:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sol Bamba

Article: Sol Bamba (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:

• Nominated by Haris920 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former Soccer Player/Coach Haris920 (talk) 23:55, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support, GA so should be good to post. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 01:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support per above 27.96.223.192 (talk) 07:35, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support as per mwwv. Oltrepier (talk) 10:34, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support - article is in a great condition Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:46, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support - I did a run through. The article was promoted to GA in 2018 but the promoting user is less active since then, so some things were outdated. The article definitely slows down on detail suddenly after 2018 but that's a nitpick for GA standards, not ITN standards. Unknown Temptation (talk) 12:38, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
•  Posted to RD. – robertsky (talk) 14:29, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Fatman Scoop

Article: Fatman Scoop (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard, NBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:344E:215E:92:A3B3 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Pragnell1957 (talk · give credit), Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit) and Laterthanyouthink (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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American rapper. 240F:7A:6253:1:344E:215E:92:A3B3 (talk) 16:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Not Ready article has a lot of CN tags, also cause of death isn't known yet Scu ba (talk) 16:35, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Needs work per Ad Orientem. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:37, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Discography and awards sections need more sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) X blocked in Brazil

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Brazilian investigation into Elon Musk (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ X is blocked in Brazil. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ X is blocked in Brazil amidst an investigation ruled by Supreme Federal Court.
Alternative blurb II: ​ X is blocked in Brazil after Elon Musk refuses to comply with a court order issued by the Supreme Federal Court.
News source(s): The New York Times AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Unusual block for a democratic country. ArionStar (talk) 10:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose I've been watching this one, and this is more about Musk refusing to comply with a judge that is upholding Brazilian law regarding social media and misinformation. Its basically more a situation of his own choosing rather than some new massive draconian measure (like when Turkey did it some years back), and as such, while its in the news, its not the type of story we should be posting because the situation was entirely avoidable (Musk just had to give the court a legal representative to deal with the case, he refused). --Masem (t) 12:12, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

  "… upholding Brazilian law…" LOL! ArionStar (talk) 12:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

  Well, the original order back in 2020 was due to specific accounts that were ordered blocked due to misinformation including threats to the judiciary. Brazil doesn't have as wide open a free speech policy as the US, so while controversial they were still reasonable under that. Masem (t) 12:37, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

  Brazil has reasonable free speech - I don't think comparing it to somewhere as backwards as the United States, where free speech is out of control and protects hate speech, is useful. Nfitz (talk) 22:44, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose This is complete nonsense and entirely of Musk's making. This has literally nothing to do with "free speech" and everything to do with Musk's refusal to comply with a basic court order issued by the independent judiciary to appoint a legal representative in Brazil. AusLondonder (talk) 12:45, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

  WP:POV, irrespective of the motives/arguments this is a pretty big decision PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose This just another case of Musk throwing a tantrum. Also failure to appoint a legal representative is not censorship nor anything to do with a democratic deficit. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Musk being Musk. Skyshiftertalk 13:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

  This was a decision of Brazil's supreme court, can't really be entirely attributed to "just Elon drama", this is a major ruling PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

  Given it's a case of "Brazil makes a legal request, Musk ignores the legal request instead of engaging like any reasonable person would and Brazil escalates in response", it really is just Elon drama. --2001:8003:1C20:8C00:A599:8FED:E2E0:7A4A (talk) 10:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support. The discussion above provides a perfect example of editors using their own personal opinions and biases instead of relying on coverage by WP:RS. Whatever we think about Musk as an individual is completely irrelevant, or at least it should be. Even if one accepts that Musk is 100% at fault in this episode, the result is that X is blocked in Brazil, an event that is covered as a top story by pretty much every news outlet in the world and which affects the seventh most populous country in the world. Nsk92 (talk) 14:18, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

  We are not a newspaper and simply don't follow what is published in headlines. ITN is supposed to feature quality articles that happen to be in the news, not to be where we are reporting on news, and that's why simply being a highly published story is not sufficient for being in ITN. Besides this being an issue with Musk being Musk, which has become routine news, we do not have any good article target here that discusses the entire matter (starting with the original court order to block certain accounts). — Masem (t) 15:07, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

  Neutral point of view is policy, and the blurb is total clickbait. RAN1 (talk) 15:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

  @Nsk92: when I initially opposed the nomination the target article was Censorship of Twitter at the time of my comment, which was a highly biased target to nominate and my argument was that this issue is not to do with censorship but more so to do with the failure to adhere to a court ruling; this was also the basis of other editors' arguments and reasonings to oppose too. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:18, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose just the Brazilian government throwing a tantrum. Scu ba (talk) 15:29, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, but a lot of things can be viewed as just "governments throwing a tantrum", doesn't affect notability. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Agree with @Nsk92, major court ruling with wide implications for a democratic state to ban one of the largest online social media platforms over the speech hosted. All over the news PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:31, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Its banned because Musk refused to provide legal representation to the court, not because the state wanted to block X completely. If we're talking about the free speech implications, that should have been the story when the court first ordered social media there to block specific accounts, several months ago. Masem (t) 15:49, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. Not voting either way at the moment, but the comments here about this being simply a dispute with Musk seem to miss the mark. This situation IS largely of Musk's doing, but that doesn't mean the impacts are not relevant to post here. That's similar to saying that a war between two countries wouldn't be ITN material if it had grown out of a private dispute between the leaders of two countries. Whether or not it's "censorship" really shouldn't matter much. This discussion should be about if we believe X being blocked is noteworthy enough to post. DarkSide830 (talk) 15:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose purely on article quality. The newly created article is only barely more than a stub. However, and whatever our opinions of the case, it's potential to impact the debate over free speech and the regulatory power of the state is both obvious and highly significant. Support on merits. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:45, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

  @Ad Orientem the article has been improved since then. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:56, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

  @RodRabelo7 Thanks for the ping. Moved to support. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:23, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support on merits. Regardless of who did what, or whether the situation was avoidable, Xitter being blocked in one of the world's largest countries is definitely notable. However, the blurb is a bit short, and linking to Censorship in Brazil instead of Brazil is a MOS:EASTEREGG that should ideally be avoided. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:15, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
• Weak Support/Wait Didn't something happen in Turkey a few weeks ago where an Instagram ban was instituted but reverted a few days later? I'm wondering if this is going to be a similar situation and will be walked back in the next day or two. I'd err on waiting to post, at least until Monday. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: a page has been created about the case. Erick Soares3 (talk) 17:13, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. The block occurred due to a lack of response to the request to appoint a representative in the country, and not due to censorship per se. ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 17:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

  @A.WagnerC and...? An ITT doesn't need to be an act of censorship. RodRabelo7 (talk) 03:01, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

  Wikipedia is not a stage for billionaires to throw tantrums ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 12:35, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Article is extremely stubby. Does not even mention A.Wagner's point above that the trigger for the block was X/Twitter's refusal to appoint a legal representative (nor does it mention X/Twitter's reasons for not complying). Also oppose "Brazil" linking to "Censorship in Brazil" - are we really going to parrot Musk's POV here? If we post this (once an up-to-standard, neutral article exists), let's have readers make up their own mind whether it's a censorship issue or not.
• EDIT: moving to Weak Support following expansion of the article. Still disagree with linking to "Censorship of Twitter". Khuft (talk) 17:38, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

  @Khuft the article has been improved since then. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

  I mean the government demanding the removal of certain political and religious figures from the site is a pretty clear case of censorship. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 08:56, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

  As I mentioned in another discussion, there are different conceptions on what constituted freedom of speech and hate speech. In Continental Europe (France, Germany) platforms are required to act against hate speech, and this is not considered censorship. I'm not really familiar with Brazilian conceptions of freedom of speech, but from what I gather from the article & the news, it seems to follow a similar concept of going against hate speech in the context of the invasion of the Brazilian Congress. Khuft (talk) 13:21, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per A.WagnerC. This happened because Musk failed to appoint a legal representative of Twitter in Brazil, which, to me, is not something we should post. Also, the article is not ready for the main page. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:48, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
• Help Can anyone help to improve the article? Alternative blurb added. ArionStar (talk) 17:49, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Article is way too short and underdeveloped for ITN Hungry403 (talk) 18:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

The article needs to be improved, it is very interesting for ITN. ArionStar (talk) 23:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

The article is in better shape now. ArionStar (talk) 01:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@Hungry403 the article has been improved since then. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

• Strong support. We should not evaluate the merit of the case as being merely a "tantrum" from Musk (much less from Brazil, shame on whoever said that), nor should we consider it as a case of censorship, which it clearly is not. The fact is that the event received extensive coverage worldwide. The New York Times and the Associated Press even used a breaking news alert to report it. Furthermore, it is a watershed moment, as it involves a democratic nation blocking a social network after it disobeyed legal orders, and Brazil represents a significant portion of Twitter's total user base. RodRabelo7 (talk) 02:03, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

How many times has Musk caused a problem with a government? I’m not certain but this definitely isn’t the first time and I dont believe we posted the other ones. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 08:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

This is a blocking affecting one the largest X markets. Period. ArionStar (talk) 14:36, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

I don’t believe any blocking of any social media platform in only certain countries is ITN worthy, if it was a worldwide ban that would be different. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 09:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose not something blurbworthy IMO. If we didn't posted the news of the arrest of the founder of two popular social media sites then we should not post news about closure of a social media platform in a single country. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:39, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

  @PrinceofPunjab: which arrest? ArionStar (talk) 14:47, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

  @ArionStar I am talking about this one. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 15:14, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

  Not a random country. A major democracy and one of the largest Twitter markets. RodRabelo7 (talk) 16:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

• Strong support – Widespread coverage, one of the most popular websites in Brazil blocked by its Supreme Court which is unusual for the country. For the editors saying this is just a "tantrum" for Musk... it's a judicial/political decision made by Brazil in response to Musk, not just Musk shitposting on X. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
• Ready? ArionStar (talk) 17:58, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

  There's not even remotely a consensus to post, so no. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose This may well happen in a number of other countries if Musk carries on taking X down the rabbit hole of supporting some seriously unpleasant stuff. And we can't really post every time Musk has a tantrum, or the whole of ITN would be full of it. Black Kite (talk) 18:06, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

  We can't predict that this may well happen in a number of other countries if Musk carries on and this sort of prediction shouldn't affect the notability of Brazil's current ban. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 18:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

  No, we can't, but what happens if we post this and then Musk does something so egregious that other countries follow suit? We'd have a problem. But regardless, I don't think this rises to the level of ITN anyway. Black Kite (talk) 18:52, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

  The blocking is still ongoing and I imagine there will be millions in money losses in the coming days. ArionStar (talk) 19:28, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

  I don't see that X is losing a significant amount of money immediately here; I suppose some losses are possible if Brazilian advertisers withdraw from the platform (or possibly companies who do a large amount of their business in Brazil). Nevertheless, this is what happens when the owner of a company believes it is above the law. Black Kite (talk) 20:30, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Masem. Not very interesting in my opinion. C F A 💬 20:01, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Per most of the above. It's not really worth mentioning in my opinion. This has nothing to do with censorship as Brazil blocked the site in response to Musk failing to obey a simple court order. If the arrest of Pavel Durov or another, Montana blocking TikTok wasn't posted on the ITN, a social media site that just got blocked in a single country shouldn't be posted either. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 20:51, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support - big story with huge ramifications. I'm not sure why it's being compared to a sub-national jurisdiction like Montana, which has no ability to enforce a ban. Or authoritarian countries like Turkey. Brazil is one of the largest democracies in the world. And this has significant coverage. Think about it - if this ban was by the US Supreme Court, would those that oppose, still oppose it? Nfitz (talk) 22:44, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

  Exactly! Brazil's Supreme Court < US Supreme Court? ArionStar (talk) 06:22, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

  I would still oppose if it was a decision by the US Supreme Court. Does not seem particularly significant. Should it really go into the column on top of "More than four hundred people are killed in an Islamist militant attack in Barsalogho Department, Burkina Faso."? Belongs to DYK. C F A 💬 13:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support as highly notable event about social media in large market; the WP:POV or WP:CRYSTAL arguments such as this being Musk's own doing or that further blocks in other countries may occur in future are irrelevent in regards to the significance and notability of this case. Happily888 (talk) 01:51, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
• OpposeComment When Wikipedia was entirely blocked in Turkey over the content in a single article on the English Wikipedia, the nomination was dismissed due to navel-gazing and lack of significance even though it was a clear instance of censorship. Now we have a block of another very popular website in another large country due to lack of legal compliance. The story additionally entails some non-democratic measures that harshly violate digital freedom, such as fining people who access X and removing VPN apps for download, but the nomination is not about Internet censorship in Brazil. This is sheer navel-gazing on X and Elon Musk.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:08, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

  There's a huge difference between an autocracy and one of the world's biggest democracies. That said, if that was a mistake (perhaps link the discussion?), that shouldn't effect this discussion. Nfitz (talk) 08:38, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

  That makes sense, but this nomination's goal is not to highlight democratic backsliding in a democratic country, which is probably what posting this blurb would convey as a message to our readers. Internet censorship is a very sensitive topic, so it's very unclear to me whether we should post such blurbs at all. I revoked my oppose votes and transformed it into an ordinary comment because it mostly draws a parallel to a similar instance from the past.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Moving to support. This move directly impacts about 20 million people within Brazil alone, likely more depending on how many people you believe are impacted that do not have Twitter accounts, and presumably people outside of Brazil that interact with these accounts. Businesses and nonprofits use it for outreach, advertising, and fundraising. Politicians use it to interact with their constituents. The NFL coming this week is also a big deal here, and most importantly the suddenness of all of it for users is a problem. I think at this point it's really hard to downplay the impacts here. DarkSide830 (talk) 15:24, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

  Use of Twitter is a privilege, not a right. It would be a different story if the court ordered the whole Internet in Brazil to be shuttered, now you have an actual measurable impact. Instead, we have one of many social media platforms blocked, with other alternatives available. Masem (t) 15:47, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

  Use of Twitter is a privilege, not a right. and if you bend over backwards even further, everything except food and shelter would also just be a privilege and not a right. This is the judiciary of a democratic country banning access to a major social media platform for 200 million people over a fundamental disagreement about free speech. This is a significant precedent and is massive from a historical perspective. spintheer (talk) 23:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

  If we are talking free speech rights and govt censorship, then the true issue was back in 2923 when the court ordered social media companies to block accounts that were threatening violence against the court. Though some may argue that given the extremist nature if these accounts and the more restrictive freedoms if spee g in Brazil compared to the US, that this was also a reasonable step. Either way, that is a form of govt censorship, whether it benefits the public good a question beyond this scope. These events now are not censorship, they are putting a company to a penalty for failing to comply with a court order. Whole the impact is that millions of Bra, ilians cannot use Twitter now, theyir voices aren't silenced, they have options like Threads and Bluesky (both reporting massive surges in the wake of this) so that is not a free speech or censorship issue. This is truly just a situation of Musk's own making, given how simple the remedy was (to name a legal Rep for the litigation), and shows him trying to make moves outside normal practice. Which is not really newsworthy, it's only capturing the attention due to how much weight Musk carries in news coverage. — Masem (t) 13:34, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

  The MP is not an appropriate place to defend positions. And there are still other social media. ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 23:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Endorse posting: Brazil is a country of ~200 million people, 7th highest, about equal to the UK, France, and Italy combined. Xitter, a cursory Web search informs me, is one of the top 25 or so most-visited websites, this side of the Great Firewall. (Different places give varying figures) Anyone want to take the other side of a bet that if UK France and Italy's govts all imposed national blocks of, say, Netflix or microsoft.com, that it wouldn't make its way onto ITN? (Whatever happened to the complaints of ITN being too US/UK-centric?)

Let's play it from the top. Purpose of ITN:

• To help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news.
• To showcase quality Wikipedia content on current events.
• To point readers to subjects they might not have been looking for but nonetheless may interest them.
• To emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource.
  — WP:ITNPURPOSE

--Slowking Man (talk) 17:57, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, wait for a final judgement instead of contributing to a trial by media. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Trial by media? Excuse me! Judges of the Supreme Federal Court already agreed with the blocking. Media has nothing to do with this. 2804:14D:5C32:4673:67B2:6266:BC34:87D6 (talk) 12:37, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

The block is part of the ongoing investigation due to Musk's non-cooperation. Until the issue is ultimately tried in a court of law and X Corp is found guilty which leads to a permanent block of Twitter, I see no reason to blurb on this as if it's permanent. I feel neither blurbs correctly reflects on this matter. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 13:29, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Musk found guilty in Brazil? 😂 ArionStar (talk) 21:17, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose current blurb X being blocked is notable. However, per the concerns of many others, simply stating "X was blocked" does not provide the reader with sufficient context and leaves them with a one-sided, non-NPOV impression that Brazil is cracking down on free speech. The blurb should only be posted if it is also accompanied by the reason for the ban: Elon Musk refusing to ban far right accounts which organized the 2023 Brazilian Congress attack. Support alt blurb 2 only. Flip^andFlopped ツ 23:00, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Support either alt blurb. The contention that the injury was self-inflicted does not change the newsworthiness of the result. If Elon Musk committed suicide, would we fail to mention it because someone else did not carry out the killing? BD2412 T 23:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Support ALT2 only as original blurb lacks context - let's not imply that this was some dictatorial move, it's because Musk is throwing a tantrum over a court order. That said, one of the world's largest social media apps being blocked in one of the world's largest countries feels notable enough for the front page. The Kip ^(contribs) 06:36, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

The ALT2 blurb is the best one. ArionStar (talk) 18:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

• Comment Nomination closed too quickly, IMO. ArionStar (talk) 12:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Yeah I agree, I don't think it should've been closed at all tbh. If you include weak supports then this nomination actually has more supports (14) than opposes (13). What's weird is that this same admin did something similar just last week. Flyingfishee (talk) 13:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

It's days old and it wasn't going to get posted. AusLondonder (talk) 13:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

The current ITN blurb isn't even on the nomination page anymore (which means it's more than a week old). There was no rush to close this. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Wrong. The blocking occurred on 31 August, after the Paralympics opening ceremony. Please, reopen it. ArionStar (talk) 15:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

A 14–13 vote count is a clear no consensus/consensus against posting to me. This is a good closure, as it is doubtful to get posted. Natg 19 (talk) 17:15, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

The request has been open since August 31, and there is clearly no consensus. Correct closure. A.WagnerC(alt) (talk) 18:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

So you think a 14–13 vote count is an indication of consensus? C F A 💬 19:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Consensus is not determined by vote tally alone. Even if it was the only factor, 14-13 is hardly an established consensus. The post is six days old and has had numerous arguments in support and opposition. If consensus hasn't developed by now, it's unlikely to. Pats2017 (talk) 00:44, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

This was closed barely a day after the 2nd alt-blurb was added, meaning that the vast majority of editors didn't have didn't have time to consider it. Also the stale stuff comes off weird considering how often posted stuff remains on the main page for far longer than a week. Flyingfishee (talk) 08:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

That's simply not how consensus works. If people's opposition was based on the wording of the blurb, they had every right to voice that concern during their opposition - or in fact, to recommend an alternative blurb themselves. Anyone !voting to oppose who did not condition their opposition on the current blurb proposed cannot be assumed to be in favor of another blurb. Especially since ITN is known for people conditioning their opinions based on the potential for alternatives. There is a clear consensus that its not notable nor final enough at this time to post. Consensus to post will not magically appear out of nowhere just based on an alternative blurb. For the record, I would've opposed this being an ITN blurb with any wording. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 09:07, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Posting an alt-blurb doesn't mean the clock restarts on consideration. Also, current posted ITN items may be older, but those items all garnered consensus to post within a few days of their proposal, if not sooner. This item has been here for almost a week now. The lack of consensus to post has been consistent through the life of its candidacy and its multiple alt-blurbs. Pats2017 (talk) 01:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Almost 50/50 support/oppose, seems like a textbook no consensus to me. The Kip ^(contribs) 09:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
• I've initiated a community review of this close at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Close review: X blocked in Brazil. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

August 30

Portal:Current events/2024 August 30

August 30, 2024 (2024-08-30) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israeli–Palestinian conflict 2024 Israeli military operation in the northern West Bank Three Palestinian militants, including Hamas' leader in Jenin, Wissam Hazem, are killed in a drone strike at the Jenin refugee camp in the West Bank. (Al Jazeera) An Israeli soldier is killed and several others are injured in an IED attack in Jenin, West Bank. (Palestine Chronicle) Russian invasion of Ukraine Kharkiv strikes Seven people are killed when a Russian guided bomb strikes a residential building and playground in Kharkiv, Ukraine. (Reuters) Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy dismisses the commander of the Ukrainian Air Force Mykola Oleshchuk following the crash of an F-16 fighter jet and the death of its pilot while defending against Russian strikes. (Reuters) Sudanese civil war Battle of Khartoum Seven people are killed and 25 others are injured in shelling near Khartoum, Sudan. (Sudan Tribune) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Twelve Pakistani Taliban members are killed during a raid by the Pakistani Army in the Tirah Valley of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan, bringing the number of insurgents killed there to 37 since August 20. (AP) Islamic State insurgency in Iraq At least 15 Islamic State militants are killed and seven U.S. troops are injured in a joint United States–Iraq raid on Islamic State camps in Anbar Desert, Iraq. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2024 Venezuelan blackouts A widespread power outage affects most of Venezuela with President Nicolás Maduro's government blaming it on sabotage by the opposition. (DW) Four people are killed and one other is missing when a National Republican Guard helicopter crashes into the Douro river in Lamego, Portugal. (DW) At least two people are killed and 20 others are injured when a roof of a church that was used for food distribution collapses in Recife, Brazil. (Reuters) (Yahoo! News) International relations Afghanistan–Germany relations Germany deports 28 convicted Afghan criminals, marking the first such action since the Taliban regained control of Afghanistan in August 2021. (AP) Mongolia–Russia relations, Foreign relations of Ukraine President of Ukraine Volodomyr Zelenskyy urges Mongolia to arrest Russian President Vladimir Putin as he travels to Ulaanbaatar to make his first meeting to an International Criminal Court member state since the issue of his ICC arrest warrant. (France 24) Russia–NATO relations, Ukraine–NATO relations, 2024 Kursk offensive Secretary General of NATO Jens Stoltenberg declares that Ukraine's incursion into Russian territory in Kursk Oblast is legitimate under international law, as part of Ukraine's right to self-defense. (Reuters) East Timor joins the World Trade Organization. (WTO) Law and crime Censorship of Twitter, Censorship in Brazil, Brazilian investigation into Elon Musk Brazil blocks X after they ignore court orders relating to misinformation about the 2023 Brazilian Congress attack on the platform. (The New York Times) Six people are wounded in a stabbing attack on a bus in Siegen, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany. (DW) Politics and elections Death of Tūheitia Paki Incumbent Māori King Tūheitia dies at the age of 69 while recovering from heart surgery. (New Zealand Herald) Sports 2024 ATP Tour 2024 US Open – Men's singles Defending men's champion Novak Djokovic is defeated in the third round by Alexei Popyrin, 6-4, 6-4, 2-6, 6-4, making 2024 the first tennis season since 2002 in which no Grand Slam tournaments were won by one of Djokovic, Roger Federer, or Rafael Nadal, collectively known as the "big three." (AP News)

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Akarotaxis gouldae

Article: Akarotaxis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A new species of dragonfish, Akarotaxis gouldae, has been discovered in the Southern Ocean (Post)
News source(s): Cosmos, Earth.com Phys.org
Credits:

• Nominated by MtPenguinMonster (talk · give credit)

This recent scientific discovery may be of interest to ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 20:45, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as unnotable; new species are described everyday. wound theology◈ 13:34, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose while I love seeing non-tragic/non-political/non-sports blurbs, this not some groundbreaking discovery that is captivating the world. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:19, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Cool story, but new species are described all the time. Would need a more unique element (i.e., indisputably largest known dinosaur; new species unrelated to any currently known) to be ITN-worthy. --Pats2017 (talk) 00:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 06:35, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Jean-Charles Tacchella

Article: Jean-Charles Tacchella (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): X - Le Monde
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by BomBom (talk · give credit)
• Updated by KindSpinel (talk · give credit), Strattonsmith (talk · give credit), 2a02:587:cc0c:c900:c5c:1a85:6803:ceae (talk · give credit), 85.75.231.110 (talk · give credit) and Spectritus (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: French screenwriter and film director. — Knightoftheswords 19:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: several citation needed tags; filmography table is unsourced.Jaguarnik (talk) 01:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose multiple cn tags. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:42, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Typhoon Shanshan hits Japan

Article: Typhoon Shanshan (2024) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Typhoon Shanshan, the strongest of 2024, hits Japan, killing more than six people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Typhoon Shanshan, the strongest typhoon of 2024, struck Japan causing over a million evacuations and more than six deaths.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Typhoon Shanshan leaves at least six people dead in Japan.
News source(s): CNA, Reuters, Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by MAL MALDIVE (talk · give credit)

The typhoon is the strongest of 2024, over a million told to evacuate; electricity power gone in many places in Japan. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 06:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment: One of the strongest in 2024 so far. I feel "the strongest (typhoon) of 2024" should be dropped as none of the sources mention this directly and comes across as puffery. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 08:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Support alt: But the strongest storm may change; remember, Cyclone Djoungou was stronger than Typhoon Shanshan. HurricaneEdgar 08:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Re: "strongest" WP:ITNBLURB reads: Blurbs should generally avoid comparison to any previous event, such as "Largest in the region since [year]". Previous events is generally out of scope of the page, and confers a publication bias favoring regions with a low frequency of similar events.—Bagumba (talk) 11:48, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Support: Alternative blurb; 2024 still has a few months left O.o -- death toll is likely to rise as well. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support alt and the article is of sufficient quality. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose If this only ends up with six deaths, its not a very significant storm. Obviously if the death toll rises greatly, that would be different, but we shouldn't aim to post every weather disaster. --Masem (t) 14:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Wait like many weather-related articles nominated here, it remains to see what the overall impact is, and so is currently too soon to post this in my view. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Wait, the impacts could be way more noteworthy in the coming days. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 16:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Support it's a Typhoon, that's notable enough for inclusion. Scu ba (talk) 17:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

A Typhoon is equivalent to a Class 1 hurricane. Not even Class 5 hurricanes are automatically notable. This region alone averages 16 typhoons a year. We 100% are not posting every typhoon. Nfitz (talk) 00:55, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Six deaths for a natural deaths seems a bit low for it to be blurbworthy. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

• Wait as per above Sharrdx (talk)

• Oppose pretty small potatoes at this point. A large storm, certainly. No prejudice against renominating if it grows in the future, or if the typhoon strengthens. Nfitz (talk) 01:02, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until the storm dissipates. As of now, it's still active and is still affecting central Honshu, where it could cause more damage. Vida0007 (talk) 13:22, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Seems pretty significant and the article looks great! Flyingfishee (talk) 12:13, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

  Comment Also the blurb needs updating, according to the article there are at least 8 confirmed deaths. Flyingfishee (talk) 12:15, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Tūheitia Paki

Article: Tūheitia Paki (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3][4][5]
Credits:

• Nominated by Dhantegge (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Dhantegge (talk) 20:56, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Support article is well-sourced and well-written. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 22:50, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose not enough information about his death- spinning it off into a death article and leaving only one sentence in the main article is not enough information for ITNQUALITY. Also "Tekau-ma-Rua and Te Kahui Wairua" is improperly sourced- some of the text is sourced to a dead link from 2019, but the 2 tables say "as of 2020 and 2021", and so are outdated and unsourced. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment, I wanted to query whether he was transformative enough to warrant a blurb or not. The Death of Tūheitia Paki article seems to be well under way and I would like to get the ball rolling as to whether it would be optimal or not. Ornithoptera (talk) 08:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah, I’ve thought about that as well. Transformative within New Zealand? Certainly. Outside of the country? I have not seen much evidence. He had interacted with world leaders and indigenous leaders, but I don’t think there is enough of it. Schwede66 00:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait Tekau-ma-Rua and Te Kahui Wairua section have four cn tags otherwise article is good to go. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

August 29

Portal:Current events/2024 August 29

August 29, 2024 (2024-08-29) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Arab–Israeli conflict Israeli–Palestinian conflict Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip 2024 Gaza Strip polio epidemic Israel and Hamas agree to three separate three-day humanitarian pauses to allow the World Health Organization to vaccinate more than 600,000 children against polio in the Gaza Strip. (Reuters) The Israel Defence Forces carry out an airstrike on a humanitarian aid convoy in Gaza that kills five workers. (The Guardian) 2024 Israeli military operation in the northern West Bank Mohammed "Abu Shujaa" Jaber, leader of the Tulkarm Brigade, and four other fighters are killed in an Israeli attack on the Nur Shams refugee camp in Tulkarm in the West Bank. (Al Jazeera) The number of Palestinians killed since the beginning of the operation in the West Bank two days ago increases to 18, including eight in Jenin, six in Tulkarm, and four in Tubas. Dozens of others are wounded and at least 20 others have been arrested. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hezbollah conflict IDF launches air strikes on Hezbollah targets in Kafr Kila and Yarine in southern Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) Hezbollah launches four rocket and drone strikes on the outpost of the IDF 210th Golan Division in Nafah, Golan Heights. (Al Jazeera) Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign The Russian defence ministry claims that its forces have captured the settlements of Mykolaivka in Donetsk Oblast and Stelmakhivka in Luhansk Oblast, Ukraine. (Al Arabiya) 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement Bangladeshi interim health minister Nurjahan Begum says that more than 1,000 people were killed during last month's anti-government protests, making it the bloodiest period in the country's history since the 1971 independence movement. (Al Arabiya) 2024 Red Sea oil spill The Houthis release footage showing their fighters boarding and placing explosives on the Greek-flagged MT Sounion oil tanker, causing explosions that put the tanker at risk of causing a major oil spill in the Red Sea. (AP) Kurdistan Workers' Party insurgency Iraq shoots down a Turkish TAI Aksungur drone over Kirkuk Governorate. (Middle East Eye) Business and economy Effects of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans It is announced that the abandoned Six Flags New Orleans amusement park, which has been closed since Hurricane Katrina struck the park and New Orleans, will be demolished beginning next month. Bayou Phoenix is expected to rebuild the area as a $500 million complex with youth sports fields, hotels, shops, a movie studio and a waterpark. (Axios) Disasters and accidents 2024 Pacific typhoon season More than 250,000 households are affected by power outages and dozens of people are reportedly injured as Typhoon Shanshan makes landfall over Kagoshima Prefecture, Japan. (Reuters) Three people are killed, seven are injured, and one person is reported missing in Kyushu due to Typhoon Shanshan. (Reuters) 2024 Yemen floods The death toll from the floods in Al Mahwit Governorate, Yemen, increases to 33. (ABC News) Migrant vessel incidents on the Mediterranean Sea Pope Francis strongly condemns European mistreatment of migrants crossing from the Mediterranean Sea and refusal to offer aid as means to reject them from entering European nations as "a grave sin", and requests the expansion of migrant access routes to the continent. (The Hill) (Reuters) Two people are killed and ten others are injured in a gas leak at an Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps training center in Isfahan province, Iran. (AP) Three people are killed and 17 are injured when a car crashes into a group of migrants in Oaxaca, Mexico. (AP) Health and environment One hundred tons of dead freshwater fish wash up in and around the port of Volos in Greece as a result of severe flooding followed by a prolonged drought in Lake Karla caused by "extreme climate fluctuations". (AP) International relations France–Serbia relations Serbia and French aerospace manufacturer Dassault Aviation sign an agreement for the purchase of twelve Dassault Rafale warplanes. (Le Monde) Law and crime Germany–Iran relations The interior ministry of Hamburg, Germany, expels the Iranian leader of the Islamic Centre Hamburg Mohammad Hadi Mofatteh, giving Mofatteh a September 11 deadline to either leave the country or face deportation. (Reuters) Sports The Taliban government bans mixed martial arts, saying that the sport is too violent and has a risk of death and that it is incompatible with Islamic law. (BBC News)

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(RD posted) RD/blurb: Johnny Gaudreau

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Article: Johnny Gaudreau (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American hockey player Johnny Gaudreau (pictured) dies at the age of 31 (Post)
News source(s): Columbus Dispatch
Credits:

• Nominated by Roncanada (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

I'm proposing a blurb considering the young age and his huge popularity worldwide. Would prefer a picture with the CBJ tho --Roncanada (talk) 12:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

One could make the argument that this is a "death is the story" blurb... only 31, killed along with his brother while riding bikes a day before his sister's wedding. Certainly newsworthy. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

• I spent a long time last night hoping this wouldn’t have to be posted. Life is goddamn cruel, man. Support RD, and honestly support blurb per Pawnkingthree - he was a superstar that died in his prime in an utterly tragic accident. The Kip ^(contribs) 12:19, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose currently the article does not meet WP:ITNQUALITY are there is too much unsourced content. If that is fixed, then Support RD only- does not meet threshold for a death blurb in my opinion, as In general, if a person's death is only notable for what they did while alive, it belongs as an RD link. Which looks to be the case here, as the death event is not notable. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:53, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Tragic for sure, but he was far from being a 'superstar' such as Connor McDavid, Alexander Ovechkin, Sydney Crosby or Evgeni Malkin among other active players. I'd like to see more details on the death as the main story to consider it for posting, but it seems like there's very little information on the accident so it cannot be considered independently notable.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb when article citing issues are resolved and more details about the death are covered (sources exist). Note: COI here, I am a cyclist, and I have lost friends due to drunk drivers. This is a tragedy, and acknowledgement of this incident can only help raise awareness of the dangers of cyclists having to share the road with mass and momentum operated by impaired drivers. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  @Kcmastrpc: We cannot and should not post anything to raise awareness of any cause, however noble the sentiment and cause may be. This would be a slippery slope and lead to all sorts of issues on other topics and we are not here to right great wrongs. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and should show nothing more than the facts; anti-drink driving campaigns and cycling safety awareness should be left to others, not here. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb Nothing in the article gives the impression as a great figure within hockey, and while a tragic death, not comparable to the type of blurbs where the death is the story. Oppose RD on quality. --Masem (t) 13:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Support RD, quality has been fixed (there's one unsourced sentence in International Play but that should be trivial to fix since its just about being part of a notable team event. --Masem (t) 16:48, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 13:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD quality issues have been fixed. Blurb is a bit much considering he was not the biggest active figure in hockey at any time during his career. Kline • talk • contribs 14:45, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, but with the quality issues being fixed, definitely support RD. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 14:50, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb per Masem, but support RD as sourcing issues appear to have been fixed. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD I don't think there will be consensus for a blurb, but sourcing issues look to be resolved. Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Support Blurb His manner of death is getting a lot of coverage and he was quite notable in his field. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:20, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Support RD. This is a well-liked player cut down in his prime by another person's bad choices. This serves as a reminder about the dangers, and frankly stupidity, of drunk driving. Theletterm1973 (talk) 17:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD Quality issues fixed. Weak support blurb Due to manner of death. I remember seeing a lot of users saying that a death blurb makes sense when the subject died suddenly/non-conventional cause of death AND/OR were at the top of their field. Don't think this particular individual was at the top of their field, but his death was sudden and his death is gaining substantial coverage. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Fine for RD, oppose blurb. Not in any sense a blurbable figure, regardless of the extremely tragic manner of death. Black Kite (talk) 20:19, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD for sure, the article looks decent. Oppose blurb. As much sad as it is, he is not notable enough for a blurb. win8x (talking | spying) 20:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Just a friendly reminder for those who are opposing a blurb because he is not "notable enough." The criteria for blurbing a death have nothing to do with the subjects' notability, other than they are a prominent (not major) figure, and the circumstances around their death are gaining widespread international coverage; please see WP:ITNRDBLURB, specifically Death as the main story. If the person's death itself is newsworthy for either the manner of death or the newsworthy reaction to it, it may merit a blurb. I would argue that Johnny Gaudreau is a prominent figure, and the circumstances surrounding his tragic demise rise to blurb worthiness. Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:32, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  There is nothing in the article to demonstrate he was a prominent figure. Perhaps one of the top players, but when are talking major figures in a field, we are usually talking about those that can be shown to be the elite of the field (eg for hockey, that would be someone like Wayne Gretzky or Bobby Orr.) Masem (t) 20:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  You mentioned major figures in a field, which is the criteria mentioned for WP:ITNRDBLURB on the third bullet. I'm suggesting that he is a prominent figure in his field whose death is receiving international coverage. What bar would need to be met to be considered "prominent," is it "major" or something else? Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  Ideally a dedicated section using reliable sources that clearly explain how he was a major figure in the field. Otherwise, we're hand-waving how significant he was based on editorial opinion, which we should be avoiding. Masem (t) 20:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  I agree, generally, we shouldn't be editorializing, but the criteria for ITN death blurb given the circumstances is "prominence", not being a "major" figure. (Am I missing something?). Here's one news source, Johnny Gaudreau was a prominent figure in the NHL. [link] Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC) Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Opposing based off of one criterion is completely fine. In particular, the clause for "death as the main story" says: "If the person's death itself is newsworthy for either the manner of death or the newsworthy reaction to it, it may merit a blurb." People can certinaly support based off of just this criterion, but there is no requirement that opposers need to be in opposition based off of this criterion. Gödel2200 (talk) 21:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Right, but it appears that most of the opposes are citing his (lack of) notability, not the circumstances regarding his death or the reaction. I realize this is ITN and folks can oppose for any reason they chose, I was just trying to reason with editors and perhaps change their minds. Kcmastrpc (talk) 22:48, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb He was a big enough star that the way he died is a blurbable story. If there isn’t enough support for a blurb, a photo RD could be a good idea. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:18, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb This just does not seem important enough to make a blurb in my opinion. --Torsodog^Talk 23:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb man dies in traffic accident This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb I don't think he is notable enough to blurb, despite the tragic death. I will definitely support RD for sure, though. IncompA 00:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, support RD It's very sad that he died at such a young age, but death blurbs should be reserved for deaths with extraordinary circumstances and/or consequences, such as Alexei Navalny or Ebrahim Raisi. Unfortunately, being hit by a car is very common. Will support the RD though, it looks fine. Jaguarnik (talk) 01:11, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb Article is in good shape. Tragic death, and I went back and forth for a bit on blurb-worthiness. Sadly, though, drunk-driving fatalities are common, and while Gaudreau was a perennial All-Star in the world's premier ice hockey league, his accomplishments don't rise to the level of a Wayne Gretzky or Bobby Orr. I'd be more inclined toward a blurb if, for example, it had been an on-ice fatality--more along the lines of a Damar Hamlin-type incident--as that would demonstrate a more unusual manner of death. RIP. --Pats2017 (talk) 01:51, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
• RD posted—Bagumba (talk) 04:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Pretty much per Orbitalbuzzsaw. This was not a hockey superstar. It's getting a lot of attention based on the human-interest side of the story and its obviously tragic circumstances. But this is just not the sort of thing we post at ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:57, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb however tragic circumstances I cannot see how this would be any different (apart from the fact that the cause isn't medical in this case) from other currently nominated tragic deaths such as Juan Izquierdo or Fatman Scoop. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:39, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb - athlete dies in car crash is pretty mundane. Certainly not even a nationally-known athlete, let alone internationally. Nfitz (talk) 20:15, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose blurb While he was one of the best players within hockey, he doesn't have nearly the same level of significance or fame as other people posted onto ITN who have died. Still an extremely tragic death, RIP. Hungry403 (talk) 23:56, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Abu Shujaa

Article: Abu Shujaa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Gödel2200 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Palestinian militant killed in the West Bank. Gödel2200 (talk) 01:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

• Strong oppose let's start off with adding an infobox and some structure with sub-headings before even tackling any further quality issues. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Support article is in a okay shape now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment One paragraph is still not referenced. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 21:07, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

  Support Looks ready now. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 10:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment The paragraph has now been referenced. Gödel2200 (talk) 18:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
• @Admins willing to post ITN: I think this is ready now. Gödel2200 (talk) 11:41, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 16:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

August 28

Portal:Current events/2024 August 28

August 28, 2024 (2024-08-28) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war 2024 Israeli military operation in the northern West Bank The Israel Defense Forces launch a major military operation in the West Bank, primarily in the cities of Jenin and Tulkarm, with at least ten Palestinians killed and several others injured. The Al-Israa Specialised Hospital and the Thabet Thabet Governmental Hospital are surrounded, and ambulances are blocked from entering the hospitals. (Al Jazeera) Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine Ukrainian drones strike an oil terminal in Kamensky District, Rostov Oblast, Russia, causing a large fire. Ukraine also launches drone attacks on Kirov Oblast for the first time, striking an oil depot in Kotelnich. The Russian Defence Ministry says that air defences have shot down eight drones over Voronezh Oblast. (Reuters) Somali Civil War Las Anod conflict At least nine people are killed in fighting between SSC-Khatumo forces and Somaliland troops near Erigavo, Sanaag, Somaliland. (Garowe Online) (BBC News Somali) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Three Islamic Jihad Palestinian fighters and a Hezbollah militant are killed in an Israeli drone strike on a vehicle at a checkpoint on the Lebanon–Syria border. (Al Jazeera) Myanmar civil war Tatmadaw forces launch a major counteroffensive against rebels in Kachin State, Myanmar, following the fall of Momauk to the Kachin Independence Army. (Myanmar Now) A UN official says that the Arakan Army has begun indiscriminately attacking the Muslim Rohingya minority in Rakhine State after capturing much of the state, forcing thousands of people to flee. The rebel group is reportedly "rounding up groups" of Rohingya men and shelling Rohingya villages. (The Guardian) Disasters and accidents 2024 Sudan floods Arbaat Dam collapse The death toll from flooding across Sudan including the collapse of the Arbaat Dam near Port Sudan, Sudan, increases to 148 people. (Sudan Tribune) 2024 Pacific typhoon season Hundreds of flights are cancelled and the Japan Meteorological Agency issues an alert in Kagoshima Prefecture as Typhoon Shanshan is expected to make landfall over southwestern Japan. (Reuters) Three people are injured and three others are reported missing due to heavy rains and landslides in Kyushu, according to the Fire and Disaster Management Agency. (MSN) 2024 Afghanistan–Pakistan floods The death toll from flooding in Pakistan increases to 245 people. (Dunya News) 2024 Yemen floods At least 33 people are killed by landslides and heavy rainfall in Al Mahwit, Yemen. (NOS) International relations Israel–United States relations, Israeli settler violence The United States Department of State imposes sanctions on Israeli settler group Hashomer Yosh and a civilian security coordinator for the Yitzhar settlement for extremist settler violence against Palestinians in the West Bank. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime Haitian crisis Gang war in Haiti Haitian National Police and Kenya Police, along with other foreign police forces as part of the Multinational Security Support Mission in Haiti, launch a joint operation to oust violent gangs from parts of the Haitian capital city Port-au-Prince. (AP) 1Malaysia Development Berhad scandal The Swiss Federal Criminal Court convicts two PetroSaudi executives to six and seven years in prison respectively for embezzling more than US$1.8 billion from the Malaysian strategic development firm 1Malaysia Development Berhad. (Al Jazeera) 2023 Quran burnings in Sweden Swedish prosecutors charge Salwan Momika and Salwan Najem with four counts of "offences of agitation against an ethnic or national group" after the two desecrated the Quran and made derogatory remarks about Muslims in Stockholm last year. (Al Jazeera) Arrest of Pavel Durov French prosecutors formally indict Telegram CEO Pavel Durov with complicity in distribution of child exploitation media and drug trafficking and ban him from leaving France. (Bloomberg) Politics and elections LXVI Legislature of the Mexican Congress Two senators elected from the defunct Party of the Democratic Revolution (PRD) in Mexico defect to the ruling Morena party, leaving Morena and its allies one seat short of a supermajority in both chambers of Congress. (AP) Science and technology NASA announces discovery of Earth's subtle electric field, which contributes to the polar wind phenomenon. Its significance as to the emergence of life and complex organisms on Earth, and the planet's physical and chemical properties, are to be analyzed. (NASA Science) (MSN, Newsweek) The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration temporarily grounds all SpaceX Falcon 9 launches and orders an investigation following a booster rocket fire incident at the Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida, United States. (AP) Sports 2024 Summer Paralympics The opening ceremony for the 2024 Summer Paralympics is held at Place de la Concorde in Paris, France. (Axios)

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(Posted) RD: Steve Silberman

Article: Steve Silberman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Relix
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Thriley (talk) 21:04, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Support article is in a good shape and I think is ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support article in fine shape. Skynxnex (talk) 03:44, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Good to go. I also replaced the IMDb reference with a more reliable one, and moved this entry to August 28 (his date of death). Vida0007 (talk) 13:26, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
•  Posted to RD. LGTM. – robertsky (talk) 14:28, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Charlotte Kretschmann

Article: Charlotte Kretschmann (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by MrJaydenfire (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

MrJaydenfire (talk) 21:07, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Support meets bare minimum requirement. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 10:11, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Support Article is sufficiently well-sourced for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:19, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 14:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted My goodness, born quite a few years before WWI started! Schwede66 01:42, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Summer Paralympics

Article: 2024 Summer Paralympics (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Summer Paralympics open in Paris, France. (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by BabbaQ (talk · give credit)

• Fix conjugation. No comment on nomination. Nfitz (talk) 19:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support and also to move to ongoing for the chronology. less people do it, but I will update it.Sportsnut24 (talk) 20:33, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose While the opening of the summer olympics has its own standalone page, the opening ceremony for the paralympics only has a short paragraph. I am not opposed to posting in principle, but if we are going to post the opening ceremony, there simply needs to be more written about it. Gödel2200 (talk) 23:17, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support I don't think we need a whole article just for the opening, the blurb as it exists is sufficient. Scu ba (talk) 03:32, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support ongoing A major world sporting event and we also put the Olympics in ongoing (I think), so we should be consistent. I am open to blurbing the opening ceremony as well. -TenorTwelve (talk) 04:38, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment WP:ITNR#Multi-sport events lists the opening of the Paralympics, while it has the opening ceremony of the Olympics. The last opening was posted with only 2020 Summer Paralympics bolded, not the opening.[6].—Bagumba (talk) 05:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support the burb and ongoing article is in a good shape and I support the ongoing entry as well. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 10:10, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted For now, I've posted this to ITN. It would make sense for the item to eventually be moved to ongoing. Schwede66 10:16, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Victoria Siddall

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Article: Victoria Siddall (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Victoria Siddall becomes the first woman appointed as director of the National Portrait Gallery, London. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Medievalfran (talk · give credit)

• Oppose Per List of most-visited art museums this is the 6th most visited art museum in London alone (60th in the world), with a fifth of the visits of the British Museum, and an eighth of the world's most visited, the Louvre. I'm not opposed to posting female firsts but this doesn't seem to be a pinnacle. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Unconvinced about judging a gallery with a specific collection on visitor numbers, but I can see the argument. Anyway, if considered more appropriate, I have popped in a DYK nomination instead. (Apologies if not the done thing to do this until discussion here resolved!) https://wiki.eso.workers.dev/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Victoria_Siddall Medievalfran (talk) 15:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose I think DYK would be more appropriate for this. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:24, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Congrats to her on a great accomplishment. As for the nomination, feels like more of a DYK candidate. --Pats2017 (talk) 02:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Definitely more in DYK's purview than ITN's. Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:57, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

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August 27

Portal:Current events/2024 August 27

August 27, 2024 (2024-08-27) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war Israeli incursions in Tulkarm Palestinian parties declare a general strike in Tulkarm Governorate in protest of the recent killings by the Israel Defense Forces. (Al Jazeera) Five Palestinians are killed in an Israeli airstrike on the Nur Shams refugee camp in the West Bank. Separately, a Palestinian man is killed and six other people are injured in an attack by Israeli settlers in the Wadi Rahal village. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis The Israeli military and Shin Bet announce they have rescued Qaid Farhan Al-Qadi, a Bedouin Arab hostage who was kidnapped by Hamas during the October 7 attack on Israel, from an underground tunnel in Gaza. (BBC News) Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure 26 August 2024 Russian strikes on Ukraine Russian missile and drone attacks resume across Ukraine, killing at least six people and injuring five others in Kryvyi Rih and Zaporizhzhia. (The Independent) (Kyiv Independent) 2024 Kursk offensive The Ukrainian military says it has captured 594 Russian troops and 100 settlements in Kursk Oblast since the start of the incursion. (DW) Ukrainian conscription crisis, Poland–Ukraine relations President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy announces that Poland will cooperate with Ukraine to return "Ukrainians who violated the law", traitors, and collaborators who illegally crossed the Poland–Ukraine border in order to evade conscription in the Russo-Ukrainian War. (UNN) United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russia–NATO relations Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov warns the United States and other NATO members against giving Ukraine approval to use long-range missiles to target Russia. (Reuters) Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy announces that Ukraine has successfully tested a domestically-produced ballistic missile for the first time. (Ukrainska Pravda) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Four civilians are injured in IDF airstrikes on Hezbollah targets in southern Lebanon. (Deccan Herald) One IDF soldier injured in Hezbollah drone strikes on IDF targets in Beit Hillet in Upper Galilee, Israel. (Deccan Herald) Libyan crisis United States Africa Command General Michael Langley meets with top Libyan National Army officials, including Khalifa Haftar, in Benghazi, Libya, to help mediate an end to the political crisis. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024 Brazil wildfires Forty-eight cities in Brazil issue red alerts for prolonged heavy and hazardous smog originating from extensive wildfires. (AP) Two workers are killed and one other is injured in a aircraft tire explosion at a Delta Air Lines maintenance facility near the Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport in Atlanta, Georgia, United States. (AP) Health and environment 2024 Red Sea oil spill The Pentagon reports that the MT Sounion appears to be leaking its 150,000 ton supply of oil into the Red Sea, and is still on fire since Houthi attacks on August 22. Efforts to salvage the tanker have been repelled by Houthi threats. (Reuters) The Namibian environment ministry announces a plan to cull 723 wild animals, including 83 elephants, and to distribute the meat to people who have been affected by a severe nationwide drought. (Reuters) International relations Canada–Mexico relations, Mexico–United States relations Mexico suspends all interactions with the Canadian and American embassies in Mexico City due to claimed interference with its independence and internal affairs after both ambassadors criticized reform plans for members of the judiciary, up to and including Supreme Court justices, to be elected by popular vote. (Reuters) Egypt–Somalia relations Following a defense pact signed by Somali President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi earlier this month, Egypt deploys two C-130 aircraft carrying military officers and equipment to Mogadishu, Somalia, as the initial phase of a significant deployment that will see up to 10,000 Egyptian soldiers stationed in Somalia. (Garowa Online) France–Russia relations Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov states that bilateral relations between France and Russia have "reached a nadir" following the arrest and captivity extension of Russian-born Telegram CEO Pavel Durov. (Reuters) Law and crime Indictments against Donald Trump Federal prosecution of Donald Trump U.S. Justice Department special counsel Jack Smith files a superseding indictment against former U.S. President Donald Trump for his attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election. (Politico) Arrest of Pavel Durov French prosecutors publicly accuse Telegram CEO Pavel Durov of twelve charges including violations associated with drug trafficking, child exploitation, and money laundering. (Kyiv Independent) Australian Police and New Zealand Police announce they have concluded a joint illicit drug operation that resulted in 1,611 arrests and 2,962 charges nationwide. The police also confiscated almost 1,400 kilograms (3,100 lb) of illicit drugs and over 2,500 cannabis plants, worth 93 million AUD (US$63 million). (DW) German police shoot a 26-year-old man dead in Moers, Germany, after the man attacked two officers with a knife. (AP) Malaysia charges opposition leader and former Prime Minister Muhyiddin Yassin for allegedly insulting the former King Al-Sultan Abdullah in 2022, under the Sedition Act. (DW) Politics and elections 2024 French legislative election France's New Popular Front (NFP) party suspends future talks with President Emmanuel Macron to break a political deadlock after Macron refused to implement a leftist-led coalition government despite the NFP receiving the second-most votes in the legislative election, and also calls for nationwide protests against Macron's "parody of democracy". (Reuters) 2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident West Bengal Police fire tear gas and water cannons at protesting university students and medical professionals demanding the resignation of West Bengal Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee for her handling in the rape and murder case of a medic in Kolkata, West Bengal, India. (Al Jazeera)

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(Posted) RD: Bob Carr

Article: Bob Carr (Michigan politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Legacy.com
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:7969:2ABE:E6E3:A515 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

240F:7A:6253:1:7969:2ABE:E6E3:A515 (talk) 02:49, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support @Admins willing to post ITN: The article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 23:23, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Juan Izquierdo

Article: Juan Izquierdo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, The Guardian
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Tragic death, Uruguayan footballer, at the time at Nacional. Article can easily be expanded given the news attention. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:00, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Support could do with some expansion mainly a photo but otherwise looks alright and may he rest in peace. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 08:29, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

All fixed now, Thanks Abcmaxx. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 11:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

There is a deletion discussion on the image. The argument presented by the nominator is how likely there is a free photo existing of somebody who played 115 top-flight games in the present era. As per cases I remember like César Luis Menotti, the image should be hidden until the discussion concludes. Nothing says an item needs a photo in order to be posted. Unknown Temptation (talk) 12:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

I didn’t say it needed one it would just help the article and I didn’t add the picture so I cannot comment on its eligibility. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 22:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support meets WP:ITNQUALITY as it has details on most important events. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:33, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
• Update I have expanded and updated the article slightly. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:36, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support an absolute tragedy, article is in a good enough shape to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 13:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 17:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 01:38, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Leonard Riggio

Article: Leonard Riggio (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg, ABC News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:6C23:2F26:C0C6:C9D6 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by MantleM (talk · give credit), Chaiten1 (talk · give credit), Strattonsmith (talk · give credit), 67.55.247.157 (talk · give credit) and Toweli (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former chairman of Barnes & Noble. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C23:2F26:C0C6:C9D6 (talk) 17:47, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Several sections need citations. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 18:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose multiple cn tags. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 13:33, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
• update citations added throughout. Chaiten1 (talk) 16:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Looks good now. I've added missing references to the note. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 21:05, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support The article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:55, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: Has info in the lede not found elsewhere in the main body (...supported by a major investment from the Anton Dreesmann associated Dutch retailer Vendex International, which became part of Maxeda in 1999, and Drexel Burnham Lambert issued junk bonds.) Spencer^T•C 00:58, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

I added that info to the end of the 1st paragraph in the “Career” section. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:43, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 19:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Polaris Dawn

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Article: Polaris Dawn (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ SpaceX's Polaris Dawn mission, set to launch at 07:38 AM UTC on August 27, is delayed for 24 hours after a helium leak. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ SpaceX's Polaris Dawn mission, set to launch early in the morning on August 27, is delayed for 24 hours after a ground-side helium leak.
News source(s): https://www.space.com/spacex-polaris-dawn-launch-delay-helium-leak, https://www.nbcnews.com/science/space/spacex-polaris-launch-postponed-helium-leak-detected-rcna167168, https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/08/27/spacex-polaris-dawn-launch-date-time/74962772007/
Credits:

• Nominated by Sir MemeGod (talk · give credit)
• Created by Harshdeep2021 (talk · give credit)

Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 16:43, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Helium leaks are extremely common, as it's one of the smallest elements in existence. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:54, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose space missions getting delayed is Run-of-the-mill news, not something that is blurbworthy. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:06, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

• Not yet A delay of 24 hours is nothing – the Boeing Starliner has been indeffed and the crew is not expected back until next year. The high spot of this mission seems to be a spacewalk so we should wait until that looks more certain. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Something didn't happen yet is not generally the sort of thing we post at ITN. Especially when it's ITNR and likely will happen in the very near future. Suggest speedy close. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:18, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Withdraw (as nominator) per others, I will renominate once the space walk is carried out. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 19:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: Nabil Elaraby

Article: Nabil Elaraby (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Egypt Today
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by 84.160.115.66 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Zweifel (talk · give credit), Fjmustak (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Dominus Moravian (talk · give credit) and TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Secretary General of the Arab League. Needs a tid bit of sourcing work — Knightoftheswords 03:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Eight cn tags, with some sections such as awards and UN subsections entirely unsourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:43, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose multiple cn tags and Publication needs a source. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:08, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support sources updated throughout the article; clearly a notable individual and article quality looks fine.Chaiten1 (talk) 21:18, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

  Chaiten1, we already know that this individual is notable as otherwise, he would not have an article. All that matters here is whether an article meets quality requirements. Schwede66 01:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

August 26

Portal:Current events/2024 August 26

August 26, 2024 (2024-08-26) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure 26 August 2024 Russian strikes on Ukraine Massive Russian attacks are launched on cities across Ukraine, killing at least seven people. Ukrainian officials call it the largest Russian attack on Ukraine since the beginning of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. (Kyiv Independent) (Kyiv Independent 2) (Reuters) Poland says that a Russian Shahed drone had likely entered its airspace during the attacks on Ukraine and that searches are underway for the object as it may have landed in Polish territory around 30 kilometers (18 miles) from the Poland–Ukraine border. (The Defense Post) (Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty) (Reuters) A Ukrainian F-16 fighter jet crashes after shooting down several missiles fired from Russia, killing the pilot. (CNN) Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War, Corruption in Ukraine Audits conducted by the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense determine that between March and July, multiple Armed Forces of Ukraine units never received nearly US$4.2 million in military aid labeled as "humanitarian aid" to bypass customs fees, prompting embezzlement and illicit enrichment investigations. (Kyiv Independent) Insurgency in Balochistan Operation Hereof The Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) launches an offensive against the Pakistani Army in Balochistan, Pakistan, gaining control of several key highways, including the Karachi–Quetta section of National Highway 8, and also damages a train station in Mastung. (Al Jazeera) At least 14 soldiers and policemen and 21 BLA gunmen are killed in ambushes and clashes on highways in Balochistan. Five civilians are also killed in Kalat. (Al Jazeera) Twenty-three people are killed in a mass shooting targeting Punjabis on a highway in Musakhail District. Between 30 and 40 armed men offloaded passengers from trucks and buses and shot them after checking their identities, subsequently setting fire to their vehicles. The BLA claims responsibility for the attack. (Dawn) (NPR) Sudanese civil war Darfur campaign The Rapid Support Forces shell an internally displaced persons camp in North Darfur, Sudan, killing 25 people and wounding at least 40 others. (Sudan Tribune) Israel–Hezbollah conflict IDF launches airstrikes on Hezbollah targets in Kfar Kila, Tayr Harfa, Shebaa and Aita ash-Shaab and shelling of Chamaa and Naqoura in southern Lebanon. (Anadolu Ajansi) A Hezbollah militant survives an Israeli drone strike in Sidon. (Anadolu Ajansi) Hezbollah launches three drone strike on IDF surveillance equipment in Ramya. (Anadolu Ajansi) Libyan crisis The Benghazi-based Libyan Government of National Stability says that it is suspending production at all oil fields and oil terminals that it controls until further notice amid a dispute with the central bank in Tripoli. (France 24) (S&P Global) Business and economy Canada–China relations Canada announces a 100% tariff on imports of Chinese-made electric vehicles and a 25% tariff on Chinese steel and aluminum. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2024 Nigeria floods At least 49 people are killed and more than 40,000 people are displaced after heavy rains caused floods in Adamawa, Jigawa, and Taraba states, Nigeria. (Al Jazeera) Arbaat Dam collapse The Arbaat Dam collapses near Port Sudan, Sudan, amid floodwaters, killing more than 60 people, displacing around 50,000 more, and destroying 20 villages. (Al Jazeera) One person is killed and three others are injured in a landslide in Ketchikan, Alaska, United States. (AP) Health and environment 2023–2024 mpox epidemic Germany announces that it will donate 100,000 doses of mpox vaccines to the Democratic Republic of the Congo and other African nations, as well as provide funding to the GAVI Vaccine Alliance through the World Health Organization. (DW) International relations France–Russia relations, Arrest of Pavel Durov Russian lawmakers accuse French authorities of arresting Russian-born Telegram CEO Pavel Durov in order to acquire confidential information from Telegram users, and urge Russian users to delete all confidential information on the Telegram app. (Politico) President of France Emmanuel Macron makes the first official French acknowledgement of the arrest of Pavel Durov by stating that Durov's arrest had "no political motive" and also dismissed contrary accusations and claims by free speech protesters and Russia as "false information". (Reuters) Law and crime Controversies surrounding Uber The Dutch Data Protection Authority fines Uber €290 million (US$324 million) for allegedly breaching the European Union's General Data Protection Regulation in order to collect information on its European drivers. (DW) The National Football League Players Association files a lawsuit against DraftKings for allegedly violating an agreement to pay licensing fees on NFL players' likeness rights after DraftKings closed its NFT trading cards business. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Danelle Barrett

Article: Danelle Barrett (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://usnhistory.navylive.dodlive.mil/Recent/Article-View/Article/3887359/in-memoriam-rear-admiral-danelle-m-barrett-usn-ret/ https://www.wgrz.com/article/life/wny-native-retired-rear-admiral-danelle-barrett-remembered/71-a0c5084d-8288-4415-8792-62e8b998d2f2
Credits:

• Updated by Tim1965 (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

22:17, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose. Firstly, the line in the lead saying "She was one of fewer than 200 women in history to achieve the U.S. Naval rank of admiral" appears to be cited to charlesmizrahi.com, which I'm not sure is reliable. Secondly, there is no mention of her being promoted to admiral at all in the body. So I think this is slightly incomplete at the moment. Otherwise, a decent enough short article. @Tim1965 and Jkaharper:  — Amakuru (talk) 09:13, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

@Amakuru: I added a better source for the line in the lead. I also added referenced info that said that she was promoted to rear admiral (lower half) on July 10, 2015. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Support The article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Posted. Thanks for sorting the issues @Blaylockjam10:.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sid Eudy

Article: Sid Eudy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NYT, USA Today, WWE
Credits:

• Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TheBlueSquareTWVM (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American professional wrestler and former WWE/WCW world champion better known as Sid Justice, Sid Vicious, or Sycho Sid. Article needs a lot of work. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

• Let It Be Known to those who know as "The Man Who Rules The World", but this article doesn't mention that and most of what it does mention hasn't been cited for years, isn't cited now and won't be cited by the time this goes stale. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:14, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

  @InedibleHulk I think we'd both be happy to know you turned out to be wrong :) The Kip ^(contribs) 05:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

  we love happy accidents 27.96.223.192 (talk) 09:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

  I'm glad you're both happy. Me, I can still wallow in knowing a lot of what was uncited was just deleted, and that the article still doesn't mention his mastery of the powerbomb or ruling of the world. Kind of makes the whole Ripley and Priest "tribute" near the end a bit meaningless, doesn't it? Ah well. Cheers to labour/labor! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:19, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose article is no way near posting. Vast majority of the wresting career section is unverified. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:10, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

• Picture ITN has been stuck on the same picture of a cyclist for over a week now and that's not a good look. This guy was six times world champion and we have a good picture so let's use it. As for citations, the article has 80 and counting. The regular reader won't think that's too few as there are only two {{cn}} which seem insignificant. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:59, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

  I would say Sven-Göran Eriksson is a much better photo candidate given his achievements and impact on his field or even Juan Izquierdo given the manner of his death than Sid Eudy. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  We could have them all if we changed ITN's picture every day, like every other main page section does without fail. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

• 80 refs is definitely much improved than when this RD was nominated, but there are still some sections that have few to no citations. Natg 19 (talk) 07:16, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks good for RD now, support. Natg 19 (talk) 23:34, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

• Justice will be served Sid's article now has 98 citations and zero {{cn}} thanks to the hard work of TheBlueSquareTWVM who should please take a bow. The cyclist's picture has been up for 10 days now, so it's time to give Sid a piece of the action. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:08, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
• Unreferenced date of birth. Schwede66 01:31, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  It’s cited now. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Sid_Eudy#Other_media sourcing needs improving. Seems WP:CIRCULAR to source his being on Big Brother 14 to a citation that just wikilinks to Big Brother 14 (American season).—Bagumba (talk) 17:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

  @Bagumba Cleaned it up, had to dig for some sources but think it's reliable enough. The Kip ^(contribs) 06:49, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

  Striking my oppose.—Bagumba (talk) 07:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

•  Posted to RD. LGTM. – robertsky (talk) 14:27, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sven-Göran Eriksson

Article: Sven-Göran Eriksson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former England national football team manager The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 11:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Support good article, I didn’t spot any CN tags or unsourced sections so I think it’s good to go. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 11:37, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support. There were a few citations needed, but I think I've most sorted those out and looks good otherwise.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

  I see one unsourced paragraph, on his appointment as Notts County manager. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

  • I added a reference there but still needs more. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose There's a lot of unsourced claims, especially relating to money and salary, which really have to be sourced. I added cn tags. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
  • @Abcmaxx: Those have been sorted. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:57, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support good article, notable person. I don't see any major issues. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 15:33, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose article has quite a few cn tags. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 16:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@PrinceofPunjab: Those have been sorted now. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:57, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Earlier problems pointed out have been fixed, article looks in good shape, RIP. Josey Wales ^Parley 17:06, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support—Based on a cursory review of the article, it seems to be sufficiently referenced and comprehensive. Kurtis ^(talk) 17:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 21:16, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

August 25

Portal:Current events/2024 August 25

August 25, 2024 (2024-08-25) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine At least five people, including three children, are killed and 13 others are injured in an overnight Ukrainian strike on Rakitnoye, Belgorod Oblast, Russia, according to Russian officials. (Al Jazeera) Belarusian involvement in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Ukraine accuses Belarus of building up a "significant level" of troops and weaponry, including artillery, multiple-launch rocket systems and air defense systems along the border under the guise of military exercises, and demands their immediate withdrawal. (The Kyiv Independent) (Reuters) Eastern Ukraine campaign A British safety adviser working for Reuters is killed and two other journalists are injured in a Russian ballistic missile strike on their hotel in Kramatorsk, Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (Reuters) Northern Ukraine skirmishes, Chernihiv strikes At least four people are killed and 37 others are injured in overnight Russian attacks in Chernihiv, Sumy, Kharkiv, and Donetsk Oblasts, Ukraine. (Reuters) President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy publicly presents the Ukrainian-produced Palianytsia rocket drone and loitering munition, intended to serve as the Ukrainian counterpart to the Russian ZALA Kub-BLA. (Ukrainska Pravda) Israel–Hezbollah conflict August 2024 Lebanon strikes The Israel Defense Forces says that it has launched preemptive strikes on Hezbollah in Lebanon ahead of an expected major missile and drone attack on Israel. (Axios) (Reuters) Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant declares an "emergency situation" in Israel for the next 48 hours due to the "special situation in the home front". (Times of Israel) Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least 71 people are killed and 112 others are injured in Israeli attacks in the Gaza Strip. (Al Jazeera) Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso 2024 Barsalogho attack At least 400 people are killed and over 300 others are injured in a shooting attack by the al-Qaeda-linked Jama'at Nasr al-Islam wal-Muslimin jihadist organization in Barsalogho Department, Burkina Faso. (Reuters) 2024 Solingen stabbing German police detain a 26-year-old Syrian asylum seeker with ties to the Islamic State as the suspect of the stabbing attack in Solingen, Germany, on Friday. The man is charged with three counts of murder, as well as attempted murder, dangerous bodily harm and membership of a terrorist organisation abroad. (AP) Two police officers are killed and three others are injured in an attack in Abuja, Nigeria. A police spokesperson says that the proscribed Islamic Movement of Nigeria was responsible for the attack. (Reuters) Arts and culture Law of Ukraine "On the Protection of the Constitutional Order in the Field of Activities of Religious Organizations" Pope Francis condemns the Ukrainian government's ban of the Moscow-linked Ukrainian Orthodox Church and other Russia-linked religious groups as infringing on Ukrainian civilians' civil right to religious freedom. (Kyiv Independent) Disasters and accidents 2024 Brazil wildfires At least two people are killed in wildfires in São Paulo state, Brazil. (BBC News) Thirteen people are killed and 20 others are injured in a mudslide near the Big Buddha in Phuket, Thailand. (Reuters) Twenty-two people are killed when a bus plunges into a ravine in Kahuta, Punjab, Pakistan. Separately, twelve people are killed in a bus crash on the Makran Coastal Highway in Balochistan, Pakistan. (Al Jazeera) At least thirteen people are killed and at least 14 others remain missing after a boat carrying Ethiopian and Yemeni migrants from Djibouti sinks off the coast of Taiz Governorate, Yemen. (Al Jazeera) One person is killed, one is injured, two are missing and 21 are rescued unharmed after the collapse of an ice cave in the Breiðamerkurjökull glacier, in southern Iceland. (AP) Law and crime Four people are injured in a mass stabbing in Engadine, New South Wales, Australia. The suspect is later taken into custody. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Alexander Goehr

Article: Alexander Goehr (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Telegraph
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Aza24 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

English composer, one of the giants in music history, with a long article that was in bad shape (missing references, copyvio, missing detail, original research). It's still not perfect, but time is running. Collaboration to improve further welcome, details are on the talk page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Thank you for spending so much time. Article should be acceptable, no copyright violation according to Earwig's Copyvio Detector. Grimes2 (talk) 11:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
•  Posted to RD. LGTM. – robertsky (talk) 14:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Don Wert

Article: Don Wert (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
• Updated by DarkStarHarry (talk · give credit) and Umutdyb (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 21:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Support article appears alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support - looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 20:46, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The 1968 World Series details has a Cn tag, which should be sourceable.—Bagumba (talk) 06:20, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

  Support Resolved, looks ready.—Bagumba (talk) 16:19, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 21:22, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Salim Al-Huss

Article: Salim Al-Huss (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by Jaguarnik (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Prodrummer619 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Served 4 terms as Prime Minister of Lebanon. Jaguarnik (talk) 01:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Several cn tags are in place. Changing to Support as the issues have been fixed. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 03:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

  @Midori No Sora and @PrinceofPunjab: possible reconsideration? I expanded the article and fixed the citation tags. Prodrummer619 (talk) 17:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose some cn tags and unscoured Bibliography. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 06:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Support article is in fact ready now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Fixed the issues regarding references and the article has been expanded to reflect his career better. Prodrummer619 (talk) 17:03, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support I just looked at the article and all the cn tags and other problems seem to have been fixed. Tradedia^talk 21:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Issues have been fixed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:30, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support I see no issues with the article at hand; marked as ready and should be on the Main Page once an admin gets to it. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 19:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 04:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

  Hello,

  Where's the discussion on Maryvonne Le Dizès ?

  It's quite amusing that she has an RD when Alain Delon didn't have one. She's not a household name even in France and the Wikipedia article doesn't even give her date of death

  Curious standards Varoon2542 (talk) 11:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

  Le Dizes's RD nom is in the archives. No RS gives an exact date, only that her passing was announced in August so that's the best we can give. Delon's article failed to be improved to meet the quality requirements for being ITN/RD or the Main Page. Masem (t) 11:58, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

  The archives for that posting is here: Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/August_2024#(Posted)_RD:_Maryvonne_Le_Dizès. Any recently deceased person can get posted in RD, provided that they meet quality requirements, so "being a household name" is not necessary for RD. Unfortunately, as Masem said, Delon did not meet quality requirements, as there were still uncited statements in the article, and other areas that needed to be cleaned up. Natg 19 (talk) 17:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Barsalogho massacre

Article: 2024 Barsalogho battle (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Dozens of people are killed in an Islamic militant attack in Barsalogho Department, Burkina Faso. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by MrJaydenfire (talk · give credit)

• Not ready while death toll is quite significant, article needs expansion and a blurb needs to be suggest. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 06:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support some expansion would be nice but what is there is sufficient and cited. Notoriously hard to find reliable information from Burkina Faso, so that should be taken into account. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:12, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support, article is in a sufficient state and the event is definitely notable. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 10:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, and the article appears to be just long enough. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:59, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support but I'd be wary of using 'at least 200' for the blurb. Al Jazeera says 'up to' and Radio France uses 'around'. No other media mentions the figure 200. – Ammarpad (talk) 13:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose According to the List of ongoing armed conflicts, this conflict has been ongoing since 2002 and there have been about 10,000 fatalities so far this year and about 70,000 in total. This particular skirmish seems to have been a firefight over some trenches and characterising it as a "massacre" seems inaccurate as there were casualties on both sides. So, this is not an isolated incident but a small part of an ongoing conflict. The details seem unreliable and POV from one side. Perhaps the war should be added to Ongoing but it's not adequate for a blurb. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

  Agree, should be added to ongoing. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 22:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

  • Comment The war should definitely be on ongoing but I think we should still add this event to recent events. Rynoip (talk) 23:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment - According to an (unsourced) statement in the JNIM article infobox, this terrorist group has links to the Taliban Afghani government. That seems like a notable piece of info that should be expanded PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Andrew. Had this been an isolated incident, I would've supported it. I also agree with that the war should be added to ongoing conflicts. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 15:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Given notability and death toll. Andrew does bring up an important point about the larger conflict and significant total number of fatalities but I don't see this covered signficantly enough to be updated frequently like the other conflicts we have listed under 'ongoing' in ITN Schwinnspeed (talk) 23:45, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

  Comment: The more I read about this the more I am convinced there will be very little reliable coverage from the region on a frequent enough basis to have meaningful updates under 'ongoing'. Based on the updates to the Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso page, it's unlikely to meet the criteria for WP:ONGOING On the other hand, there is an argument to be made that it could bring much needed attention to a lesser known but equally devastating conflict. Whether thats under the purview of WP:ITNPURPOSE is subjective and up for interpretation. Schwinnspeed (talk) 10:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb, but oppose ongoing per Schwinnspeed above. It is distinguishable from the other conflicts we currently have listed. Flip^andFlopped ツ 05:12, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

comment terrorist is a loaded term. just say militant.Sportsnut24 (talk) 20:37, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

NPOV Agree. The guideline WP:TERRORIST says

... best avoided unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject ...

Curently the WP page doesn't have "terrorist" or the like in it. —Bagumba (talk) 04:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Referenced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 20:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Bit of a slim article, but there is consensus here that it can be posted. The number of people killed should be discussed in more detail, or more sources cited, as our blurb says "dozens", the article infobox says "200+", and the prose says "at least 400 or 500 people". Some more alignment would be good. I've changed the blurb and replaced "terrorist" with "militant" as per the late comments. Schwede66 23:29, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@Schwede66: It might be good for the blurb to say that the attack was carried out Jama'at Nasr al-Islam wal-Muslimin. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:40, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

It's always good to comment on blurbs and propose additional ones before something gets posted, Blaylockjam10. It should get support from other editors before we make those amendments / changes. Schwede66 00:17, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Post-posting support The attack’s important enough for a blurb & the article’s good enough to post. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:36, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Joe D'Alessandris

Article: Joe D'Alessandris (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:E977:822B:E475:C770 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Coingeek (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Blaylockjam10 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former coach for the Baltimore Ravens. 240F:7A:6253:1:E977:822B:E475:C770 (talk) 22:11, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Article needs expansion as it is to short at the moment. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 01:00, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose article is basically a stub. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 06:41, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Basically no career information. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:12, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support @Admins willing to post ITN: The article’s been expanded & has enough details & references now. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:58, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:12, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Arrest of Pavel Durov

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Pavel Durov#2024_Arrest (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The founder of the messenger app Telegram and the social network VK, Pavel Durov was arrested for complicity in several illegal charges (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Pavel Durov, founder of the messenger app Telegram and the social network VK, is arrested for complicity in several illegal charges.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Pavel Durov, founder of the messenger app Telegram and the social network VK, is arrested on charges of complicity in several crimes.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Bakhos2010 (talk · give credit)

Bakhos2010 (talk) 17:45, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose that we don't post simple arrests, we use for the conviction. Further oppose that there's no reason for this to be a separate article from Durov's until there's actually a full trial and conviction to discuss. --Masem (t) 17:49, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support major arrest of a major figure. Like if Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg got arrested. Should be ITN Scu ba (talk) 17:58, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Masem, posting it might lead to BLP issues as none of the charges have been upheld in a court of law yet. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support This is rather mysterious but seems (geo)political rather than being an ordinary crime -- comparable with the persecution of people like Julian Assange. It seems to be making making headlines in all the major international media and so is quite newsworthy. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
• It is certainly in the news to be notable. That sinking in sicily last week was too. very suspicious.Sportsnut24 (talk) 19:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - We don't generally post arrests, and he's neither such a major public figure, nor accused of so huge a crime, as to provide a good reason to vary that. With all due respect to Scu Ba above, Durov really isn't in Musk or Zuckerberg's ballpark. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  It may be of surprise that the MAU for Telegram is significantly more than X. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:16, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  It is not 'of surprise'. I already knew this, and I am a Telegram user myself. But Zuckerberg and Musk are massively influential multi-billionaires with other businesses to their names. If Zuckerberg had been arrested, no-one would be saying he was 'similar to Musk or Durov'. Durov wouldn't be getting mentioned at all. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:24, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  Durov was once referred to as the “Mark Zuckerburg” of Russia due to his role in VK. I digress though, he’s one of the worlds most influential businessmen, however, he maintains a low profile.

  He’s essentially accused of not suppressing “misinformation” at the behest of the EU. His arrest should scare the hell out of anyone who cares about free speech. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:34, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  This is not the place to right great wrongs. I'm not saying that this isn't an interesting or concerning development; I'm saying that using sensationalism and peacock terms to describe it is counterproductive in making the argument that it should be on ITN. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:37, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - perhaps if this is geopolitical, but I don't see a reason for France to be doing that, or even much speculation. No prejudice if the reason he was arrested is more significant than it appears to be.

Nfitz (talk) 21:39, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support We don’t post allegations per WP:BLP and wait for the conviction, but I don’t see what prevents us from posting an arrest of a major figure if it receives media attention and is well-documented in a separate article.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:01, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  There shouldn't be a separate article for the arrest because that itself can be taken as a BLP violation. Nothing dramatic happened with the arrest (eg not a massive manhunt to secure him), and when you take away the reaction section on that article, it all can be covered on the bio page. Not every single event needs its own page. Masem (t) 23:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  I strongly suspect AfD would be a speedy keep, but this really isn’t the place to make such an argument. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:23, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  We can find out, because I have nominated it for deletion/merger. Please note that this is separate from the question of whether the arrest should be at ITN or not - there's a lot of nonsense out there about things which are nominated for ITN needing separate articles (eg deaths, arrests, etc) which isn't true. If the arrest article is deleted, that shouldn't in itself be an obstacle to the story being posted. (And it's my understanding that the article being at AfD suspends this discussion, so it might be best if the ITN nomination targeted the main Pavel Durov article for now.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:40, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  Yea, I was attempting to update the links because I don’t believe this discussion should be procedurally closed while the main article covering the arrest is being discussed at AfD. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:43, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you. I want to be clear that I think the story of Durov's arrest is important and interesting, just that it's not necessarily material for a separate article or an ITN posting. It's definitely a significant development. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:46, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  This is notable even if there's no separate article. Given the amount of content in that article, this would be an extensive update of the event in the article about him, which speaks to notability of the event.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Support The arrest, which is very much ITN, of the owner of a social media/messaging app that has nearly a billion users on concerns of “moderation” and a lack of “cooperation” on criminal cases is chilling at best, fascism at worst. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:13, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  No, it is not fascism for CEOs to be able to face legal consequences for their corporations' actions. Hyping this story up does nothing to help us judge its actual importance. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  The French tradition is dirigisme. This case reminds me of the Pierre-sur-Haute military radio station in which Rémi Mathis was forced to "cooperate" by threat of arrest. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:28, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support arrest is making headlines worldwide and IMO I think the arrest of a founder of two quite popular social media platforms qualifies to be blurbworthy. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 06:43, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability and article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article seems good and per PrinceofPunjab. Arrest is clearly notable and making global headlines. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Wait, lean oppose He hasn't been charged with anything yet. If he does get charged (and remains in arrest) in the coming days, let's revisit. I get a feeling this news has more prominence here because most users are attuned to news related to the digital realm, but this isn't prominently featured on major French newspapers. Just another CEO who decided to flaunt regulations, it seems. Would we publish the arrest of a CEO of a company in another industry? And no, it's not a Julian Assange/Freedom of Speech issue. It's a matter of deciding to operate in France while (allegedly) flaunting French laws. Khuft (talk) 09:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Casting aspersions, and discussion about readership and views.

Le Monde headlines this as Telegram CEO Pavel Durov arrested in France in world-first case. France24 has it as Russia slams France after arrest of Telegram CEO Pavel Durov. The NYT says Telegram Becomes Free Speech Flashpoint After Founder’s Arrest. So this is both prominent in major French newspapers and explicitly a freedom of speech issue. Khuft's comments are therefore counterfactual. Are they cooperating with the French authorities or what? Andrew🐉(talk) 10:02, 26 August 2024 (UTC) Sorry, are you really accusing Khuft of being a French government proxy? GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:04, 26 August 2024 (UTC) I have no idea who Khuft is and their user page isn't giving much away. I'm just puzzled that their comments are at variance with the evidence that I presented. What's the explanation for this? Andrew🐉(talk) 10:28, 26 August 2024 (UTC) The fact that someone disagrees with you doesn't entitle to cast WP:ASPERSIONS about them secretly working for the French authorities. That's plainly absurd. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 10:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC) I rather doubt that they are working for the French authorities, secretly or otherwise. The point is to ask why they are saying things which seem to be quite wrong and not supported by the evidence. When I google "Le Monde headlines" the top hit is this very story in Le Monde. It's not just prominent, it's the lead story. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC) Not sure why there's any need to hyperventilate. The Le Monde link you shared actually validates my point: Le Monde is featuring this story under their "Pixels" segment, where they put news about digital things. If you actually go to Le Monde's French website, you have to scroll down somewhat to find it. If you had read my comment, you'd noticed I mentioned that it's not featured prominently, ie. as one of the top news items. This may change, of course, if he gets charged, which is why my vote was for Wait. Concerning the Freedom of Speech issue: it's well-known that Continental Europe and the US have different conceptions of free speech versus hate speech, so there's no need to elaborate on that. Finally. it's not because a person is able to read French that they are automatically an agent of the French state (or even a French citizen). Khuft (talk) 11:29, 26 August 2024 (UTC) The presentation by Le Monde seems to depend on whether it's the French language version or their English language version (they have a toggle at the top -- FRANÇAIS / ENGLISH). It's currently on the front page in both cases. On the French page, it's about halfway down as Arrestation de Pavel Durov : la défense de l’Etat de droit plus qu’une « attaque contre la liberté d’expression ». On the English page, it's at the top as Pavel Durov's arrest is a defense of the rule of law rather than an attack on freedom of expression. Maybe Le Monde tailors the order of stories to the readership in the different languages but, either way, it's front page news and freedom of speech is a headline aspect. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC) As further evidence, note that Le Monde has a "Most read" section and currently that's: Panic mounts on pro-war Russian Telegram channels after Pavel Durov's arrest Telegram CEO Pavel Durov arrested in France in world-first case Paris police wary of new threat posed by Nigerian gangs France extends detention of Telegram CEO Pavel Durov Paris celebrates 80th anniversary of liberation during World War II Solingen knife attack puts Germany's ruling coalition in difficulty Pavel Durov, Russia's libertarian 'Robin Hood' of the internet After police operations 'destabilize' drug dealers in France, a deadly summer Hezbollah's attack on Israel marks 'first phase' that does not upset balance of war So, four out of nine top stories are about Pavel Durov and he has the top two slots. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:02, 26 August 2024 (UTC) Did you check the French language version of the "most read" section? Because that one currently features: 1) article on Hezbollah; 2) & 3) articles on nominating new French PM; 4) Ukraine; 5) French novelist; 6) Pavel Durov; 7), 8) and 9) more French politics. Not sure what the English language version of a French newspaper is supposed to say about the prominence of a news item in France, to be honest. Khuft (talk) 14:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC) This is an international story not an exclusively French one. And this is the English language Wikipedia, not the French one. If international readers like reading about this story in English then this is the right place to cover it. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:37, 26 August 2024 (UTC) You spent the last few posts trying to argue it's a prominent news in France (it's mid at most) and accusing me of being a French agent. Don't complain or change the subject when your own evidence /metrics disprove you. Khuft (talk) 14:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC) That's a clear example of cherry-picking your sources: you're choosing Le Monde's less-used language option because it gives you the answer you want. But in any case - the popularity of the articles is not a guide to significance of the story. As I've said before - Taylor Swift's Eras Tour has been a massive story over the past several months, but no-one has even nominated it here. And that's because readership alone is not an indicator of significance. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:04, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose posting the arrest (I am mostly opposed to posting arrests in general). Posting the charges is another question, though in this case, I think it makes more sense to wait for the trial, and see if he gets convicted. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose I don't really see this story in the (mainstream) news at all and this sections supposed to be a representation of topics currently in the worldwide news, is it not?
• Also on a separate topic, has a story about (alleged) criminals getting arrested ever been posted here? Kasperquickly (talk) 15:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

  There have been several cases. Examples include: Arrest of Pervez Musharraf, ICC arrest warrant for Putin and Corruption in EU parliament. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

  Putin was a bit of an IAR exception based on his being a head of state of one of the world's great powers being charged with war crimes. This is a run of the mill criminal case in a developed country with a solid reputation for the rule of law. The other examples were dicey IMO. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

  Putin was not the first such case – see ICC arrest warrant for Gaddafi while Omar al-Bashir was posted at ITN in 2008, 2009 and 2010 but is still awaiting trial by the ICC. See the Mills of God... Andrew🐉(talk) 19:27, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Lot of sensationalism here. Durov isn't some massive household name, and even if he was, his arrest is only a blip. I could see an actual conviction being notable here, but otherwise, this isn't that big of news. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:13, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. I feel arrest blurbs in general contributes to a trial by media. I also agree with GenevieveDEon and DarkSide830 regarding notability; Your average human is far more likely to have heard of a major world leader, Facebook/Twitter or Zuckerberg/Musk than Telegram/VK and Durov. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 16:30, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above, we don't post simple arrests. Editor 5426387 (talk) 17:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose We do not post arrests. Also linking an unproven set of serious criminal charges on the main page raises serious BLP concerns in my mind. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, we do post arrests. I've posted five examples above and am still going through the archives. Here are another 10. They are in no particular order as that's how the search delivers them.

  1. In the midst of announced reforms by Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman, over 40 senior Saudi princes and ministers are arrested on corruption charges.
  2. Hezbollah rejects arrest warrants issued by the Special Tribunal for Lebanon against its senior members.
  3. Guinean President Alpha Condé is arrested by military officials during a coup d'état.
  4. In Russia, protests against the arrest of Alexey Navalny occur in many cities.
  5. Suffolk police launch an investigation on five dead bodies discovered near Ipswich in Suffolk, United Kingdom. A 37-year-old supermarket worker is arrested in nearby Trimley St. Martin on suspicion of murder.
  6. The Chinese government announces that artist and dissident Ai Weiwei has been arrested.
  7. Two separate criminal probes result in the arrest of seven FIFA officials and the raid of its headquarters by Swiss police.
  8. Three individuals are arrested for involvement with a security breach at Twitter that resulted in many prominent accounts promoting a bitcoin scam.
  9. Wichita, Kansas police announce the arrest of Dennis Rader, who they suspect to be the BTK killer.
  10. In Germany, 25 members of a far-right group are arrested in connection with a coup d'état plot.

  Andrew🐉(talk) 20:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support A notable case of a government action against one of the most popular messengers in the world, has sparked a huge debate about free expression and compliance with authorities, possibly a field-changing event. The article looks fine. Trepang2 (talk) 21:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The French government have said that the arrest is nothing to do with them and is purely a police matter, appearing to be part of a larger investigation. Given that, the arrest of someone who isn't a major public figure I don't believe rises to the level of ITN - yet. Black Kite (talk) 21:12, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Per Masem and many others above, wait for the conviction. Schwinnspeed (talk) 23:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

• Comment I believe this was closed too early. I know this isn't a vote but I count 11 opposes to 8 supports, definitely not a one-sided debate. Furthermore there were still new additions just a few hours before this was closed, don't we usually wait until the discussion has died down before closing. Either way this was a close issue that people were still discussing so it seems premature to close it so soon. Flyingfishee (talk) 07:42, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

  • Comment I concur, I've left a talk page message for the admin to reconsider their closure. Kcmastrpc (talk) 11:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Item is about to go stale and there's clearly no consensus to post. --Pats2017 (talk) 01:04, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

August 24

Portal:Current events/2024 August 24

August 24, 2024 (2024-08-24) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Three-phase Israel–Hamas war ceasefire proposal Hamas states that it will refuse any ceasefire conditions that allow Israel to continue to control the Rafah Crossing and Philadelphi Corridor, and also accuses the United States of spreading false optimism to support Democratic nominee Kamala Harris's presidential campaign instead of implementing constructive diplomatic measures. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Israeli Defence Forces shells Ayta ash Shab, Aitaroun and Maroun al-Ras in southern Lebanon. (Andalou Ajansi) Hezbollah launches 20 rockets, drone strikes and shelling on IDF sites in northern Israel and the Golan Heights. (Andalou Ajansi) Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine Governor of Belgorod Oblast Vyacheslav Gladkov says that five civilians have been killed by Ukrainian shelling in Rakitnoye, Russia. (Reuters) 2024 Solingen stabbing The Islamic State group claims responsibility for yesterday's mass stabbing in Solingen, Germany, that killed three people and injured eight others. (BBC News) Insurgency in Balochistan Three people, including two children, are killed and fifteen others are injured in a motorcycle bomb blast in Pishin District, Balochistan Province, Pakistan. (Al Jazeera) (The Washington Post) Somali Civil War A large fire breaks out at the Elasha-Biyaha market near Mogadishu, Somalia following an IED explosion linked to Al-Shabaab. No casualties are reported. (Idil News) Terrorism in France French police arrests a man suspected of attempted arson upon a synagogue in La Grande-Motte, Occitanie, France. The incident is being treated as an anti-semitic terrorist attack. (CNN) Disasters and accidents 2024 Brazil wildfires, 2023–2024 South American drought At least two people are killed at an industrial plant in Urupês after trying to control widespread wildfires impacting at least 30 cities in São Paulo state, Brazil. (Reuters) At least three workers are missing at the construction site of the Bangkok–Nong Khai high-speed railway in Pak Chong, Nakhon Ratchasima, Thailand after a tunnel collapses. (MCOT) Health and environment 2024 Red Sea oil spill The European Union Operation Aspides task force warns of a likely significant and ongoing oil spill in the Red Sea following Houthi demolition of the Greek-flagged Sounion oil tanker carrying 150,000 tons of petroleum, with Houthi footage showing flaming oil leaking into the sea. (AP) (Financial Times) International relations Foreign relations of Hungary, Hungary and the Russian invasion of Ukraine Lukoil oil transit dispute Hungary accuses the European Union of being behind Ukraine-placed sanctions blocking Russian oil shipments to both Hungary and Slovakia essential for their fuel security as blackmail for anti-Ukraine acts, following the European Commission's refusal to mediate sanction negotiations while asserting that there was no oil shortage. (Reuters) Russia–Ukraine relations, Russian invasion of Ukraine Prisoners of war in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Russia and Ukraine complete a prisoner exchange mediated by the United Arab Emirates with 115 prisoners of war from each side. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime Mexican drug war 2010 San Fernando massacre, 2011 San Fernando massacre Eleven Los Zetas gunmen are sentenced to 50 years in prison each for the 2010–2011 massacres of 122 men in Reynosa, Tamaulipas, Mexico, who were taken off passing buses and forced to fight each other to death with sledgehammers. (AP) Arrest of Pavel Durov The owner and founder of the Telegram and VK social networks Pavel Durov is arrested at Paris–Le Bourget Airport in France shortly after arriving from Azerbaijan, in connection with alleged illegal activity on his Telegram app. (BBC News) (Reuters) Kidnapping in Nigeria Nigerian police announce that the 20 medical students who were kidnapped in Benue State, Nigeria, last week have been found without making any ransom payments. (Al Jazeera)

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(Posted) RD: Siegfried Lorenz (baritone)

Article: Siegfried Lorenz (baritone) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): operalounge.de
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Leading baritone at the opera houses of East Berlin, appearing internationally. Another of my DYK articles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

His birthday is 30 August. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

How do we know, though? The birthdate is unreferenced. Schwede66 01:18, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks to Nikkimaria who created the article for referencing it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

• Long enough to qualify with 500+ words of prose. Formatting looks fine. Footnotes can be found at expected spots. Earwig has no complaints. This wikibio looks to be READY for RD to me. --PFHLai (talk) 23:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 21:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Kingdom of Jesus Christ compound standoff

Article: Kingdom of Jesus Christ compound standoff (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Philippines, after multiple accusations of sexual abuse, the Kingdom of Jesus Christ has a standoff in their compound, causing protests and injuries. (Post)
News source(s): 1, 2, 3.
Credits:

• Nominated by TheNuggeteer (talk · give credit)
• Created by Choy4311 (talk · give credit)

Significant event, gaining multiple reactions from the Senate, the Kingdom of Jesus Christ has gone through a lot of controversy, so maybe it has a chance to appear in the main page?

• Note: Will expand the article after. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 12:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

strong oppose totally local (as per sources too). of no consequence. maybe try DYK. Sportsnut24 (talk) 20:39, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

"Maybe try DYK" isn't good advice, as articles can only be nominated to DYK by the creator/main contributor (for recently created articles) or 5x expander. It's not just a wastebasket for articles that don't fit ITN. Also, the DYK queuing system means it will get published in several weeks at least, if it is even eligible.
Regarding the "local" and "no consequence" claims, it does have important consequences as the leader of the church, Apollo Quiboloy, is a close ally of the Duterte family, causing a major rift in the national government. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Strong support. Unlike what was mentioned before, it isn't of no consequence, as the move brings into open conflict the Bongbong Marcos administration and the Duterte family (notably Vice President Sara Duterte and former president Rodrigo Duterte) Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:46, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The standoff is still ongoing, but so far the political effects of it seem to be speculative in nature. Quiboloy has still not been arrested, and claims that the arrest was attempted in order to undermine Duerte are still only claims. Gödel2200 (talk) 23:01, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

For people looking to oppose this, let me consider things which makes this standoff notable to me:

• KOJC is an international group, housing 6 million members.
• 1 person died as part of the KOJC in result of this incident.
• 2,000 police officers were deployed to handle this situation.
• As Chaotic Enby said, the standoff caused national controversy.
• Four police officers were hospitalized.
• I think a protest is notable by itself.

Again, you can vote whatever you think is suitable. But I just want to tackle my opinion on this topic. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 04:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose despite what the nominator have said, the incident is still very much local, the 6 million member claim is not independent verifiable, the casualty rate is low and talk of the rift in the government is still in the accusation phase. If it did end up causing a national emergency and somehow the collapse of the government, then this item can be nominated again. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 10:20, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I think the nomination should make it clear this happened in the Philippines. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:21, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

  Done. Natg 19 (talk) 16:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Stephen E. Thorpe

Article: Stephen E. Thorpe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NZ Herald
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:BC57:383D:4D26:A245 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Sminthopsis84 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sminthopsis84 (talk · give credit), Ambrosia10 (talk · give credit), Nurg (talk · give credit) and Prosperosity (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

English-born New Zealand entomologist. 240F:7A:6253:1:BC57:383D:4D26:A245 (talk) 14:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Not ready article needs a bit more expansion. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

• With less than 300 words of prose, this wikibio is a bit stubby. Anything more to write about him? The intro has only a single sentence. Main prose has no mention of or references on his date and place of birth. --PFHLai (talk) 23:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Support It looks like this article has enough details & references now. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:52, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Christoph Daum

Article: Christoph Daum (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Der Spiegel, Associated Press
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:7157:6A0D:C1D6:975F (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Egeefecik35 (talk · give credit), ErnestCadine (talk · give credit), TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit), FMSky (talk · give credit) and Clibenfoart (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Noted German football coach. 240F:7A:6253:1:7157:6A0D:C1D6:975F (talk) 12:36, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Support Article looks ready. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 13:51, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Honours section is unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 16:24, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Betty Halbreich

Article: Betty Halbreich (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WWD
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bearian (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:25, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

• Suppport no major issues in terms of citations. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 02:48, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Support looks alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 16:25, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Support a passing admin should RD this. Flip^andFlopped ツ 05:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Posted—Bagumba (talk) 05:40, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Tom Brown Jr.

Article: Tom Brown Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American survivalist. Obituary published 24 August. Thriley (talk) 22:44, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Not ready article needs a bit of restructuring and there are two cn tags but hey! Publications and media section is fully sourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 16:27, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Support @Admins willing to post ITN: It looks like this article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 02:42, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

August 23

Portal:Current events/2024 August 23

August 23, 2024 (2024-08-23) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukraine War The United States announces a new military aid package to Ukraine, including air defense missiles, munitions for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS), an array of anti-armor missiles, vehicles, and other equipment. (AP) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Hezbollah launches over 100 rocket strikes on Israel Defense Forces targets in Mount Meron and Al-Malkiyya that were intercepted by Iron Dome and caused wildfires. (Times of Israel) Seven Hezbollah militants are killed in Israeli airstrikes and shelling on Tayr Harfa and Shebaa in southern Lebanon. (Times of Israel) Kurdistan Workers' Party insurgency, Turkish war crimes Three people, including two journalists, are killed and another journalist is injured in a Turkish drone strike on a vehicle in Sulaymaniyah in the Kurdistan Region of Iraq. (Al Jazeera) (Committee to Protect Journalists) Surovikino penal colony hostage crisis Four inmates linked to the Islamic State seize control of a prison in Surovikino, Volgograd Oblast, Russia, and take hostages, killing four prison staff members and injuring three others. The attackers are shot dead by responding security forces. (Azerbaijani Press Agency) (The Guardian) Syrian civil war Abu Abdul Rahman Makki, a senior leader of the al-Qaeda-linked Hurras al-Din, is killed by an airstrike in Jabal Zawiya, Idlib Governorate, Syria. (AP) Business and economy Unemployment in the United States United States Chair of the Federal Reserve Jerome Powell states that increased unemployment rates and labor market cooling has made it necessary for the Federal Reserve to markedly reduce interest rates in the near future. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024 India–Bangladesh floods At least 23 people are killed and more than 4.5 million people are affected by floods caused by heavy rains in eastern Bangladesh. (Al Jazeera) Twenty-seven people are killed and 16 more injured when a bus carrying Indian pilgrims on the Prithvi Highway in Nepal crashes. (AP) Ten people are killed by landslides and flooding in Phuket, Thailand. (Bangkok Post) A tourist from India falls eight-meters deep into a sinkhole after a section of a sidewalk along Jalan Masjid India in Kuala Lumpur caved in, prompting search and rescue operations. (The Star) (The Straits Times) Health and environment 2023–2024 mpox epidemic Gabon reports its first case of mpox in a man who traveled to Uganda. (Le Monde) International relations International sanctions during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russia–United States relations, China–United States relations The United States Treasury Department imposes sanctions on more than 400 individuals and entities, including Chinese firms that are allegedly aiding Russia in order to avoid western sanctions. (Reuters) (CNN) Peace negotiations in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, India–Ukraine relations During a meeting in Kyiv, Ukraine, Prime Minister of India Narendra Modi urges Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to end the Russo-Ukrainian War, and volunteers to act as a mediator in talks between Zelenskyy and Russia. In a later national address, Zelenskyy thanked Modi but stated that it is necessary for India to respect international law as well as Ukraine's territorial integrity and sovereignty. (Reuters) Poland–South Africa relations South Africa blocks the transfer of 50,000 purchased artillery shells to Poland out of fear that they would be sent to Ukraine for use in the Russo-Ukrainian War. (Kyiv Independent) Law and crime 2023 antisemitic riots in the North Caucasus A court in Krasnodar, Russia, sentences five men to more than six years in prison for participating in anti-Israel riots at Uytash Airport in Makhachkala, Dagestan, in October 2023. (Reuters) 2024 Solingen stabbing Three people are killed and eight others are wounded in a mass stabbing at a public festival Solingen, NRW, Germany, during celebrations for the 650th anniversary of the city. A manhunt for the suspect and a citywide shelter-in-place emergency for residents are ongoing. (AP) 2024 United Kingdom riots The United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination recommends that the United Kingdom implement bans and auditing of hate speech, xenophobia, and far-right rhetoric by politicians, in addition to prohibiting the strip-searching of children and addressing the over-policing of schools, following widespread destructive anti-immigration protests exacerbated by remarks made by public figures and politicians. (Reuters) (The Guardian) The Hellenic Coast Guard open fire against a motorboat carrying 14 migrants near the island of Symi, Greece, killing one of the passengers. (AP) Politics and elections 2024 United States presidential election Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 2024 presidential campaign Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announces that he is ending his presidential campaign and endorses Donald Trump's campaign. However, Kennedy will remain on the ballot in some states as he has already registered his campaign there. (The Hill) (USA Today)

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(Posted) Solingen stabbing

Article: 2024 Solingen stabbing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A mass stabbing linked to Islamic terrorism at a festival in Solingen, Germany leaves at least three people dead and multiple people with severe injuries. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Germany, three people are killed in a mass stabbing claimed by Islamic State at a festival in Solingen.
News source(s): Reuters, WP
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Thriley (talk) 00:41, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

• Wait good faith nom but leaning oppose. Let's see if this is bigger than it appears at the moment. Absent more than what we know at the moment, I'd probably oppose. Worse crimes occur on a near daily basis. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:55, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

  Bondi got posted, why shouldn’t this? 27.96.223.192 (talk) 07:35, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Wait Similar to the Bondi stabbing so we will most likely post in due time when more info comes out 27.96.223.192 (talk) 01:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Wait per above. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 04:38, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Wait for more information as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:18, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Support Mass casualty event that is being covered significantly across global media outlets. Article appears to meet the criteria for ITN and will only continue to develop. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. There's no wait, something needs to demonstrate notability before anything else. There's been no wide societal effect (like there was with the recent Southport stabbing), and none of the people involved are notable. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:35, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

They have not ruled out being a terrorist attack and are investigating as if it was one. I agree if this turns out to be a simple domestic matter that it doesn't make sense to post, but if this was terrorism, that's a different matter. — Masem (t) 00:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Same thing with Bondi, we posted that didn’t we? 27.96.223.192 (talk) 04:26, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

It's notable due to how rare deadly knife attacks are in Germany. Furthermore it seems to be an Islamist attack claimed by IS which has had notable political ramifications. IsTheLightThatBright (talk) 13:23, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support The fact that ISIS have now claimed responsibility makes this somewhat more significant. Flyingfishee (talk) 03:42, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  ISIS is not a reliable source for the time of day, or anything else absent independent confirmation. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:50, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  I don't recall ISIS having a history of making false claims. Is there a good example of that previously? (though this isn't particularly striking me as an overly significant story - it's not getting massive coverage compared to several other news stories running right now). Nfitz (talk) 06:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  The 2017 Las Vegas shooting is an obvious example. Celjski Grad (talk) 09:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  Has that explicitly been disproven? This article discusses the Las Vegas claim:

  https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/10/isis-amaq-las-vegas/541746/ IsTheLightThatBright (talk) 12:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  Nothing in our articles disproves the ISIS claim - and no motive has yet been determined. One of our supporting references notes that ISIS making false claims would be unusual. Though I was thinking in a European context. Nfitz (talk) 01:06, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support for the following reasons: three people killed in a country where such killings are not notable, you have a notable Islamist group claiming responsibility, and involves an issue that is highly political in numerous nations and is also connected to a wider geopolitical controversy. It's currently on the frontpage of BBC, ABC News Australia, Bloomberg, HuffPost, NBC News, CNN, CBC News, AlJazeera, and WION.

IsTheLightThatBright (talk) 12:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

"where such killings are not notable" should be "where such killings are not common". IsTheLightThatBright (talk) 12:18, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

you can update your original post, and delete the follow up (and you have my permission to delete this message if you wish). Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:38, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Yep, I agree. It would be a different story if for example a shooting killed a few people in America we wouldn’t post but the same happening in Iceland for example would get posted. It’s about notability not death count. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 12:32, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Why don't you declare your support then? IsTheLightThatBright (talk) 13:08, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Support No reason this shouldn’t be on ITN, significant attack. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 13:52, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Mass stabbing incidents are not actually incredibly rare in Germany, with three major ones happening just this year. If it turns out that this was terrorism, then I would reconsider. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  German police to suspect terrorism: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/08/24/german-police-hunt-for-suspect-who-killed-three-in-festival/

  But it's also wrong to say that these attacks aren't rare. There are three major ones but that's trend of political violence and Islamist attacks that are notable in itself, and three is also not common as you put it. IsTheLightThatBright (talk) 15:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

(1) Suspecting that this was terrorism is very different from confirming that this was terrorism.

(2) I am not saying that these types of attacks are common, but at least three in one year certainly does not seem rare to me. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:13, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

1) It won't be confirmed that it was terrorism until the investigation is completed which will take days if not weeks, and it may even be non-confirmed if the police go down a politically-neutral route like mental heath (as they do in the UK). The likelihood that it was terrorism is high nevertheless.

2) It does not need to be rare, just uncommon enough that it can go on ITN. IsTheLightThatBright (talk) 15:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

• Update blurb to include ISIS claiming responsibility Scu ba (talk) 23:07, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

• Done Authorities have announced the suspect is linked to IS. Kcmastrpc (talk) 00:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

  Support alt now that blurb looks good. Scu ba (talk) 17:14, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support if there was any doubt as to notability, that has been evaporated by ISIS claiming responsibility. Flip^andFlopped ツ 05:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

How many attacks with more casualties does daesh claim responsibility for in syria or iraq? knife attacks in eurpe are like shooting inthe usa now.Sportsnut24 (talk) 20:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Picture is clearer now. Time to post.CoatCheck (talk) 14:27, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

How is that? It is a not even claimed by anything of import. a lone wolf "muslim" doesnt make it "islamic".Sportsnut24 (talk) 20:42, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

oppose as usual as shootings in the usa now. don't post those for 3 deaths.Sportsnut24 (talk) 20:40, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

•  Administrator note I can see this going either way. @PrinceofPunjab and MtPenguinMonster: After saying "wait" early on without subsequent comments, any additional thoughts now, particulary on ALT blurb? Thanks. @PrinceofPunjab and MtPenguinMonster: Re-ping, since I didn't sign before.—Bagumba (talk) 04:36, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

  Changing my vote to Support now. The claim by ISIS made this event notable. I think the alt blurb is the right one and it has been more than a week since the last entering was posted on the ITN section thus making the whole section stale. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 10:23, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment This is continuing to receive major coverage. The German government is planning to restrict irregular migration as a result of the attack: [8] Thriley (talk) 08:01, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted There's a consensus to post (although somewhat weak), but the Deutsche Welle article posted by Thriley shows that it's quite consequential for German politics, with law or policy changes looming based on an ad hoc grand coalition as opposed to the government coalition that is in place. Schwede66 01:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting Oppose per above. Not that significant in the grand scheme of things even if it is linked to terrorism. Didn't think this would be posted.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting Support, notable event that is bringing up conversations about asylum seekers and migrants in Germany. Still being reported on by major news corporations to this day. Alexysun (talk) 18:11, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Russell Malone

Article: Russell Malone (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [9]
Credits:

• Nominated by Flibirigit (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Robby.is.on (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Noted jazz guitarist. Needs more citations to be ready. Flibirigit (talk) 00:00, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

• I doubt that I will have time to make improvements before this goes stale. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 14:47, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose unsourced discography and couple of cn tags. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 04:39, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

• Discography is still unsourced. At least two footnote-free paragraphs in main prose. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 23:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Peter Lundgren

Article: Peter Lundgren (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tennis World USA, ATP Tour
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:6C5A:3B46:FCA7:E9D5 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Swedish tennis player and coach of Roger Federer. His death was announced on this day. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C5A:3B46:FCA7:E9D5 (talk) 17:58, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Some more background information on Lundgren himself in the prose would be nice, his upbringing and a mention of his death is all that is really needed. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:50, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Support The article looks good and the person is definitely notable enough to post. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 22:22, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Support article meets the bare minimum requirement. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 04:40, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Multiple unsourced statements. Spencer^T•C 18:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Summer Koshien

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Article: Summer Koshien (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kyoto International wins the 106th Summer Koshien. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Kyoto International wins the 106th Summer Koshien for the first time ever.
News source(s): NHK Kyodo KBS World AP-Yonhap
Credits:

• Nominated by Meganinja202 (talk · give credit)

i am not used to it so i accept suggestions for the blurb, The number is used beacuse is mostly commonly used instead of the year, akin to Olympics or Super Bowl. Meganinja202 (talk) 06:48, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Sensationalism isn’t allowed for ITN. Pretty sure we don’t post school tournaments here either. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 10:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

  If March Madness is allowed, i see no reason for it not be, specially when its a notable event that has various articles about it, even Major League Baseball has wrote a article about the tournament and its relevancy. Meganinja202 (talk) 12:21, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose We really should not be posting any amateur level sports in the first place, but keep in mind that for March Madness, the huge number of people that watch that across the globe has an impact of why we post it. However, that definitely cannot be said for a high school-level tournament that has little global coverage. --Masem (t) 12:44, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

  how about highly cultural events principle? Summer Koshien is a very important tournament culturallly in Japan and its known around the world in part by various productions made about the tournament (check In popular culture) Meganinja202 (talk) 16:24, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose good faith nom, but not known or covered globally as a sporting event. Natg 19 (talk) 15:39, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

  had you guys checked the The popular culture tab ??? it is litteraly known by many forms not just by the direct broadcast of the tournament itself, I am sure lot of people know about the tournament thanks to ace of diamond or major Meganinja202 (talk) 16:19, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

  As I mention below, these 2 mangas/animes are still Japanese coverage, which does not demonstrate worldwide or global significance. Natg 19 (talk) 17:14, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Not important enough for ITN. Tradedia^talk 16:04, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose nowhere near meeting ITN significence criteria, not least because there isn't even a separate article for the event (the linked article is to the general event Japanese High School Baseball Championship which barely mentions it. This feels like a WP:SNOW close. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:25, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

  Theres a group of users (including myself) that updates stuffs about the tournament annually, but is not dedicated enough to make annual articles about the tournament, i dont know if counts but the ja and the zh|the zh language wikis has separated article every year , i plan to translate them in a future when i have more of a free time Meganinja202 (talk) 16:37, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

  There is no need for you to reply to every other oppose !vote. Please stop. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 16:50, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

  I am replying beacuse it seems clearly some editors dont know about the cultural impact of the tournament, litteraly a person made its judgement saying that he feels "there has not much enough articles" about the tournament, i feel that without a counterpoint, it may be a unfair vote...
  I heared that the ITN people were too demanding, but i feel that is TOO MUCH demanding and request shoud be put more thought into it, sprecialy due its cultural impact Meganinja202 (talk) 17:03, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

  There is a cultural aspect, but it is still within Japan, and covered in Japanese media or Japanese entertainment. ITN tries to highlight events that have a worldwide/international impact or approach, and unfortunately Summer Koshien does not meet the bar. There are few news articles outside of Japan covering the results of this tournament. Natg 19 (talk) 17:12, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The nomination has multiple issue. First of all, the topic is quite niche and appears to have no international coverage. Second, there is no independent article on the just finished season. Third, the nominated article is in a poor shape as the majority of the content in the article is unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:28, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

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August 22

Portal:Current events/2024 August 22

August 22, 2024 (2024-08-22) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli incursions in Tulkarm An Israeli drone strike kills three Palestinians in Tulkarm in the West Bank, during a raid where IDF soldiers set fire to civilian homes and used bulldozers to destroy residential areas. (Al Jazeera) Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Eleven Palestinians are killed and six others are injured in an Israeli strike on a residential building in Beit Lahiya in the Gaza Strip. (DW) Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine A ferry carrying 30 fuel tanks sinks in the port of Kavkaz, in Krasnodar Krai, Russia, following a Ukrainian attack. (Reuters) The International Atomic Energy Agency announces an investigation of the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant following accusations from Russia that a Ukrainian drone targeted the power plant. (Reuters) Boko Haram insurgency Suspected Boko Haram militants kill 13 farmers in Shiroro, Niger State, Nigeria. (Barron's) At least eleven police officers are killed in an ambush on a convoy by armed attackers near Rahim Yar Khan, Punjab, Pakistan. (Sky News) Arts and culture The government of Botswana presents to the public a 2,492-carat raw diamond, discovered by the Lucara diamond and mining company from the Karowe diamond mine, and said to be the second largest in the world. (AP) (The Guardian) Business and economy 2024 Canada railway shutdown Canadian National Railway and Canadian Pacific Kansas City lock out roughly 10,000 unionized railroad workers in Canada, leading to a railway stoppage that impacts many North American supply chains and may cost the economy of Canada C$341 million per day. (Reuters) In response to the railway stoppage, Canadian labour minister Steven MacKinnon refers the two disputes to binding arbitration. (CBC News) Disasters and accidents 2023–2024 South American drought 2024 Brazil wildfires Nearly 1,500 firefighters are dispatched to contain intense wildfires that are causing dense hazardous smoke to fully "engulf" Porto Velho, Rondônia, Brazil, with the total number of wildfires in Brazil reaching 59,000 since the start of the year. (The Guardian) Thai Flying Service Flight 209 Nine people are killed when a Cessna 208 Caravan crashes into a mangrove forest in Chachoengsao shortly after taking off from Suvarnabhumi Airport in Bangkok, Thailand. (AP) (The Nation Thailand) Eleven people are killed after a boat carrying migrants capsize while trying to cross the Drina river from Serbia to Bosnia and Herzegovina. (Reuters) Seven people are killed and 12 others are injured after a fire at a hotel in Bucheon, Gyeonggi Province, South Korea. (The Nation Thailand) Health and environment 2023–2024 mpox epidemic Burundi reports 171 new mpox cases, bringing the total number of cases in the country to 572 cases. (Barron's) Sri Lanka reports its first two cases of mpox, but does not specify the clade the cases are from. (Dhauru) International relations Belarus–China relations Belarus and China agree to greatly strengthen mutual trade, financial, energy, and security cooperation, which includes enhancing industrial supply chains and collaboration with the Guangdong-Hong Kong-Macau Greater Bay Area. (Reuters) Law and crime Treatment of women by the Taliban The Taliban bans women from singing, reciting poetry, or reading aloud in public and mandates that women must wear a veil in public under new laws approved by the Supreme Leader as part of efforts to combat "vice" and promote "virtue". (Al Arabiya) Politics and elections 2024 Indonesian local election law protests, 2024 Indonesian local elections Thousands of people gather outside the House of Representatives in Jakarta, Indonesia, as well as in other major cities across the country, to protest attempted changes to local elections law that would benefit the ruling coalition, in defiance of two recent Constitutional Court decisions. (BBC News) Police fire tear gas and water cannons at protesters attempting to storm the House of Representatives, prompting the Parliament to delay and eventually cancel the vote on the proposed changes. (AP) 2024 Venezuelan presidential election The Supreme Court of Venezuela certifies the results of the 2024 presidential election, denying claims that opposition candidate Edmundo González Urrutia won the election. (AP) Human rights in Afghanistan, Afghanistan and the United Nations The Taliban prohibits Richard Bennett, the United Nations special rapporteur on human rights in Afghanistan, from entering the country, accusing him of spreading propaganda. (DW)

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(Attention needed) RD: Arthur J. Gregg

Article: Arthur J. Gregg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ArmyTimes
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:6132:7E42:1CB9:9DC9 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Cornmazes (talk · give credit), Bob305 (talk · give credit) and MIDI (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

U.S. Army General and namesake of Fort Gregg-Adams. 240F:7A:6253:1:6132:7E42:1CB9:9DC9 (talk) 15:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - All sections needs sourcing before being approved.BabbaQ (talk) 06:47, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support This article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:29, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@Admins willing to post ITN: I think this is good enough to post, so it’d be good if someone looked at it & made a decision. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:51, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sphen

Article: Sphen and Magic (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:

• Nominated by 193.165.236.224 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Notable pair of penguins, article seems to be in good shape. 193.165.236.224 (talk) 13:16, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support the article has been significantly updated and there is specific coverage of the death of Sphen. As such, I believe this meets the threshold of ITN. Note: a separate article is not required for ITNRD, as per Individuals who do not have their own article but who have significant coverage on an article about a group (e.g. one member of a musical group) are eligible for a recent deaths entry on a case-by-case basis., which I believe is met here. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:22, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support RIP to one of the most unusual queer icons. The article is in a good shape and looks ready to be posted however, his death was announced yesterday as I read it in the today's morning paper. I think this entry should be moved to August 22nd. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:20, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Done. Natg 19 (talk) 17:25, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Canada railroad shutdown

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Article: 2024 Canada railroad shutdown (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Canadian rail freight traffic shuts down after the Canadian National Railway Company and Canadian Pacific Kansas City fail to reach an agreement with the Teamsters union. (Post)
News source(s): The Wall Street Journal
Credits:

• Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)

• Oppose the article is literally 2 sentences long. RachelTensions (talk) 05:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose article is a stub and news is not something that is blurbworthy. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Rail strikes are not unusual and I don't see that this one is particularly more noteworthy. Black Kite (talk) 09:21, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Article is a stub and such events are not uncommon. Editor 5426387 (talk) 13:18, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Article is currently a stub, and noteworthiness has not been demonstrated. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 13:34, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose The article is a stub which makes this nom a non-starter. In terms of notability, as a Canadian, this is big news in my city and is being very widely discussed. However, I accept that it is currently regional news and thus not sufficiently notable for ITN. If the rail strike persists and causes a cascading economic impact, we should revisit. Flip^andFlopped ツ 14:15, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, once the article is properly expanded. As the WaPo headline says, Huge Canadian railway work stoppage threatens U.S. economy. Nsk92 (talk) 14:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose — Local dispute. STSC (talk)
• Oppose as the article is a stub. However, if the strike ends up causing significant economic damage, then I might reconsider. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The shutdown didn't even last a day. Johndavies837 (talk) 00:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Mike Lynch

Article: Mike Lynch (businessman) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Kcmastrpc (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Bayesian (yacht) sinking victim that was missing has been found. –  Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Support Article looks detailed and well sourced. Flyingfishee (talk) 13:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Support With the blurb nom closed, we should promptly RD this. Flip^andFlopped ツ 15:23, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Looks solid to me. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:43, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment So the story is evolving now into a criminal investigation. I don’t know if this rises to the level of ITN blurb; but it’s certainly interesting. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:42, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

  I would say not... it's in the news, and generating lots of headlines, but the lasting impact and wider effects of this are fairly limited.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

August 21

Portal:Current events/2024 August 21

August 21, 2024 (2024-08-21) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine 2024 Kursk offensive The Ukrainian military reports that it used United States-made weapons to destroy several pontoon bridges constructed by Russia following its destruction of at least three bridges over the Seym river in Kursk Oblast. (Reuters) Mayor of Moscow Sergey Sobyanin states that Ukraine launched one of its largest drone attacks on the Russian capital, and claims that all drones were taken down without casualties or damage based on preliminary information. (Reuters) Eastern Ukraine campaign Pokrovsk offensive The Russian Ministry of Defense states it has fully captured the village of Zhelanne in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (Anadolu Agency) Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy acknowledges advancements made by Russian Armed Forces on the Pokrovsk front, and announces the strengthening of regional Ukrainian positions in order to resist further advancements. (Reuters) Islamist insurgency in the Sahel Burkina Faso, Mali, and Niger write to the United Nations Security Council to denounce Ukrainian support for rebel groups in the Sahel region of West Africa. (Reuters) Israel–Hamas war 2024 Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel Hamas fires two rockets from the Gaza Strip with sirens sounding in Sderot, Ibim, and Nir Am. (Middle East Monitor) Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war, Israel–Hezbollah conflict, Israeli–Palestinian conflict One injured in Hezbollah launching 50 rockets, drone strikes and shelling on IDF's Tsnobar logistics site and several other IDF sites in the Golan Heights and Zar'it in northern Israel.(Al Jazeera) A Syrian national and Khalil al-Muqdah, a commander in the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, is killed in an Israeli airstrike in Sidon and Khiam in southern Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) (Al Jazeera) One killed and two injured in an Israeli airstrikes on a Hezbollah ammunition depot, an air defense system and the villages of Abu Sash, Wadi Hamool, Aita al-Shaab, Ramiya and Talousa of the Beqaa Valley. (Al Jazeera) Somali Civil War Nine people, including five security officers and four civilians are killed and dozens are injured in an Al-Shabaab suicide car bomb attack on a security checkpoint on the Mogadishu–Afgoye highway in Somalia. (Daily Post Nigeria) Business and economy Unemployment in the United States The United States Department of Labor issues a significant estimate correction stating that the U.S. economy added 818,000 fewer jobs between April 2023 and March 2024 than what was initially reported in July, the largest estimate revision since 2009. (AP) (CNBC) 2024 Canada railway shutdown Canada's two largest freight railroads Canadian Pacific Kansas City and Canadian National Railway announce a complete shutdown of services due to a contract dispute, shutting out its Teamsters-represented union workers. (Reuters) (AP) With regards to the rapid growth of the artificial intelligence market, Bloomberg alleges that technology companies are "concealing their actual carbon footprints" by invoking outdated emissions accounting rules. (Bloomberg) Disasters and accidents Atchutapuram pharmaceutical factory explosion At least seventeen workers are killed and 41 others are injured, many from severe chemical burns, in an explosion at a pharmaceutical facility in Anakapalli, Andhra Pradesh, India. (Indian Express) (NDTV) Twenty-eight people are killed and 23 others are injured when a bus carrying Shia Pakistani pilgrims to the Arba'in pilgrimage in Iraq crashes and overturns in Yazd province, Iran. (Reuters) Four bodies are recovered from the superyacht Bayesian that sank two days ago, bringing the death toll to five. The search for the last missing person is ongoing. (Reuters) Health and environment 2023–2024 mpox epidemic Thailand reports its first case of mpox in a 66-year-old European man who worked in an African country affected by the ongoing epidemic. (The New York Times) Several suspected cases of mpox clade 1b are reported in Somerset, England, United Kingdom. (Devon Live) Honduras reports five suspected cases of the new mpox clade. (Prensa Libre) Law and crime Hungary and the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Hungary–Ukraine relations A Hungarian law restricting or removing state support and accommodations for Ukrainian refugees not from regions directly affected by the Russian invasion comes into effect. (BBC News) Sanski Most school shooting Three staff members are killed in a mass shooting at a school in Sanski Most, Bosnia and Herzegovina. The perpetrator, who also worked at the school, is seriously injured after shooting himself. (AP) Four people, including three children, are killed in a house fire in Bradford, England, United Kingdom. Police say that the fire was started deliberately and that a suspect has been arrested under suspicion of murder. (BBC News) Politics and elections International reactions to the 2024 Venezuelan presidential election The United States drafts a punitive sanctions list of sixty Venezuelan government officials from the country's National Electoral Council, Supreme Court, and counterintelligence police agency for alleged electoral fraud. (Reuters) The Ukrainian parliament approves the Rome Statute treaty established by the International Criminal Court, thereby allowing the country to become a state party once the government ratifies with the Secretary-General of the United Nations. (Ukrinform)

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(Posted) RD: David Anfam

Article: David Anfam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ARTnews
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:7157:6A0D:C1D6:975F (talk · give credit)
• Created by Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Strattonsmith (talk · give credit) and Blaylockjam10 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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English art historian, curator and author. 240F:7A:6253:1:7157:6A0D:C1D6:975F (talk) 11:47, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Weak Support while article is fully sourced and meets bare minimum requirement, I would still suggest a bit more expansion. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 16:29, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose WP:STUB at 1240 B (209 words).—Bagumba (talk) 04:00, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Support It’s been expanded & has enough details & references now. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:35, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted --PFHLai (talk) 23:59, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Roger Cook

Article: Roger Cook (landscaper) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): This Old House's website
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:5D40:44D2:9C5E:9E6 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Seasider53 (talk · give credit) and Dmoore5556 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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American landscaper and star of This Old House. 240F:7A:6253:1:5D40:44D2:9C5E:9E6 (talk) 15:11, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Weak Oppose the article needs a bit more expansion and there are couple of issues with some of the cited sources such as a Facebook source. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:36, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Nick Mileti

Article: Nick Mileti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:5D40:44D2:9C5E:9E6 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TheCorriynial (talk · give credit), Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit), Bob305 (talk · give credit) and Vycl1994 (talk · give credit)

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Founder of Cleveland Cavaliers. 240F:7A:6253:1:5D40:44D2:9C5E:9E6 (talk) 13:33, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose couple of paragraphs ending without a footnote and Publications sections sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:38, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Al Attles

Article: Al Attles (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by CalDoesIt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Former NBA player and coach. In good shape. Natg 19 (talk) 00:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Support article appears alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:18, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Support Sufficient quality.—Bagumba (talk) 10:55, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Bill Pascrell

Article: Bill Pascrell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [10]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

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Member of the US House – Muboshgu (talk) 16:24, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article seems well sourced and no tags on it. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:17, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Wait there are couple of paragraphs ending without a footnote and Caucus memberships section needs more sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:23, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Support article is ready now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support @PrinceofPunjab: Fixed up sourcing issues. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:42, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Nell McCafferty

Article: Nell McCafferty (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Irish Times
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:6C49:608C:B2F6:5005 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by INgIEroC (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Irish journalist and feminist campainger. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C49:608C:B2F6:5005 (talk) 13:41, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose early life section is unsourced and so are some of the other paragraphs. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:24, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I've updated some of the references to be up to date now @PrinceofPunjab Duck Dur (talk) 21:44, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Duck Dur early life section still needs a bit more sources and Bibliography section is missing ISBN codes. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:07, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I will update them later today Duck Dur (talk) 11:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) 2024 Yemen floods

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Article: 2024 Yemen floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Floods in western Yemen results in the deaths of at least 61 people and the displacement of 6,042 families (Post)
News source(s): Anadolu Agency
Credits:

• Nominated by Abo Yemen (talk · give credit)
• Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)

Abo Yemen✉ 12:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support The floods are a notable event, and the article is thorough enough for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 13:08, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support death toll is significant enough and article is in a good shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:25, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Upon further thinking, I change my vote to Oppose now too due to insufficient updates. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• Last update was for August 18. Stephen 19:19, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Doesn't seem to be in the news. A news search for "flooding" turns up stories about recent flooding in the Balearics, Bangladesh, Connecticut, Korea, Japan, Sudan, etc. Not seeing anything at all about Yemen. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:46, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Andrew Davidson. Flip^andFlopped ツ 14:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The article does not make it clear that significant flooding has occurred very recently, and the death toll applies to floods more generally taking place throughout July and August. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:25, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Support on notability. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

• Stale There's worldwide coverage of this--- more than a week ago. That's when this should have been posted. --Masem (t) 21:45, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
• Stale per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:18, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

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August 20

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August 20, 2024 (2024-08-20) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine 2024 Kursk offensive Russian military sources claim that Ukrainian forces have destroyed or damaged all three bridges over the Seym river in western Russia, potentially trapping Russian forces between the river, the Ukrainian border, and advancing Ukrainian forces. (AP) Eastern Ukraine campaign Pokrovsk offensive, Battle of Toretsk Russia claims that its forces have taken control of the settlement of New York in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (Reuters) Ukraine says that Russian forces are launching heavy attacks on the Toretsk and Pokrovsk fronts. (Reuters) Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure Ternopil residents are urged to remain indoors after Russian drone strikes an industrial facility, causing a large fire and an increased concentration of chlorine in the air. (Reuters) (The Kyiv Indepenent) Israel–Hamas war Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis The Israel Defense Forces recover the bodies of six hostages who were kidnapped by Hamas in the initial October 7, 2023 attack, including Alex Dancyg, from the Khan Younis area in Gaza. (Reuters) Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least twelve Palestinians, including two children, are killed in an Israeli airstrike on a school used to shelter displaced people in Gaza City. (Middle East Eye) Israel–Hezbollah conflict The Israeli Air Force launches airstrikes on the Hezbollah stronghold of Baalbek in the Beqaa Valley in Lebanon. (Haaretz) Four people are killed and two others are injured by Israeli strikes in Daraya, Mount Lebanon Governorate, Lebanon, according to the Lebanese Health Ministry. In response, Hezbollah launches 55 drone strikes on 3 IDF positions in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights. (Arab News) Disasters and accidents At least 20 bodies are recovered from the Lukenie River in Mai-Ndombe Province, Democratic Republic of the Congo, following the capsizing of a boat carrying around 300 passengers over the weekend. At least 46 people are rescued and about 250 others remain missing. (AP) Health and environment 2023–2024 mpox epidemic The Ivory Coast reports 21 new cases of mpox as well as the country's first death from mpox. (La Presse) A Liberia-flagged ship on the Paraná River near Rosario, Argentina, is quarantined after suspected cases of mpox are detected on the ship. The Argentine Health Ministry subsequently activates an emergency protocol against mpox. (Reuters) (CNN) Malawi declares mpox a public health emergency, following growing concerns and a reported probable case of mpox in the country. (MBC Malawi) International relations Azerbaijan–Russia relations Azerbaijan formally applies to join the BRICS economic bloc following a meeting between President Ilham Aliyev and Russian President Vladimir Putin in Baku, Azerbaijan. Aliyev also approves US$120 million to expand Russian–Azerbaijani cargo trade. (AP) Germany–Iran relations Following the ordered closure of the Islamic Centre Hamburg in Hamburg, Germany, Iran orders the closure of two branches of a German language school in Tehran for "breaching Iranian law, committing various illegal actions and extensive financial violations." In response, Germany summons the Iranian ambassador. (DW) Haiti–United States relations, Illegal drug trade in Haiti The United States Treasury Department imposes sanctions on musician and former Haitian President Michel Joseph Martelly for allegedly using his influence to facilitate drug trafficking in the country as well as into the United States. (Al Jazeera) North Korea–South Korea relations A North Korean staff sergeant defects to South Korea after crossing the Korean Demilitarized Zone into Goseong County, Gangwon, and is taken into South Korean custody. (Reuters) Law and crime Israel–Hamas war protests in the United States Several pro-Palestinian demonstrators are arrested after protestors clashed with police near the Israeli consulate in Chicago, Illinois, United States, on the second night of the Democratic National Convention. (AP) Law of Ukraine "On the Protection of the Constitutional Order in the Field of Activities of Religious Organizations" Ukrainian lawmakers pass a bill to ban the activities of all Russia-associated religious groups across Ukraine, including the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, following arrests of dozens of the church's clerics on treason charges for alleged involvement in Russian espionage and the transfer of a cleric to Russia in a prisoner swap. (Reuters) (AP) Suspected serial killer Collins Jumaisi Khalusha, accused of murdering 42 women, escapes from police custody in Nairobi, Kenya. (Al Jazeera) The Taliban's virtue ministry dismisses 281 members of the security force for failing to grow a beard and announces that they also destroyed 21,328 musical instruments in the past year and prevented thousands of computer operators from selling "immoral and unethical" films in markets. (Al Arabiya) Science and technology BMW recalls more than 720,000 vehicles due to an electrical issue with the vehicle's water pump that could potentially cause a vehicle fire. (AP)

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(Posted) RD: Maryvonne Le Dizès

Article: Maryvonne Le Dizès (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Strad
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Created by Rigg (talk · give credit)

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Violinist of the Ensemble intercontemporain for more than 20 years, collaborating with founder Pierre Boulez and other composers, commissioning new works, teaching for decades - and had no article until her death became known on 20 August (only one in Russian which we didn't consult). There could be more detail about recordings but I'm out for the day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:19, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks good enough to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 16:32, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Support 750h+ 11:00, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Support Well-sourced. Have added some recordings. Date of death as yet unclear. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:27, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Support This has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:01, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 22:41, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Atsuko Tanaka

Article: Atsuko Tanaka (voice actress) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Official Statement by Hikaru Tanaka on Twitter
Credits:

• Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Miraclepine (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Japanese voice actress. Tofusaurus (talk) 13:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment if you take out the tables with her roles, there is very little article left. JA-wiki seems to have more thorough information about her life that could be translated and used.Jaguarnik (talk) 17:34, 20 August 2024 (UTC) Support, the article has been made much better.Jaguarnik (talk) 03:39, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I’ve tagged the article as a stub. Schwede66 07:56, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose surprised at the almost fully sourced filmography tables, but article needs a bit more prose. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:35, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support I've added a lot of sourced prose translated from the jawiki page; should be of sufficient quality. ミラP@Miraclepine 23:59, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 18:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Sam Landsberger

Article: Sam Landsberger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [11], [12]
Credits:

• Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

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 Happily888 (talk) 12:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose article is barely a stub. Natg 19 (talk) 16:23, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Tragic, but there is almost no prose to the article. I can count the sentences in it on my fingers. Not good nor lengthy enough for RD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose article is a stub. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:34, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose stub article with practically no information about his life, created after death, borderline notability if any. Black Kite (talk) 09:23, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Maria Branyas

Article: Maria Branyas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News, El País
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:900E:954A:2704:19B9 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by MIDI (talk · give credit) and INgIEroC (talk · give credit)

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American-born Spanish supercentenarian. 240F:7A:6253:1:900E:954A:2704:19B9 (talk) 11:44, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Oldest Living Person, RIP MyriadSims (talk) 14:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Oldest person alive dies is notable. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 17:18, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is good and sourced, has been since previous title holder died. And we did list her in RD. TheCorriynial (talk) 17:36, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support A good article with biography and archive photos. Trepang2 (talk) 19:05, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support page meets requirements. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 21:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Memory eternal. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:38, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Post posting support RIP, article quality appears fine. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 23:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

August 19

Portal:Current events/2024 August 19

August 19, 2024 (2024-08-19) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign Pokrovsk offensive Ukrainian officials order the immediate evacuation of the remaining 53,000 citizens in Pokrovsk due to the advancement of the Russian Armed Forces. (Al Jazeera) Russia captures the city of Zalizne and the Vyimka railway station in Donetsk Oblast. (Reuters) Belarusian involvement in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Belarus announces that it has further increased its Belarus–Ukraine border presence against Ukraine significantly, adding aircraft and air defense forces following its accusations of Ukraine's military sending 120,000 troops to its border and conducting "aggressive policies". Ukraine denies Lukashenko's claims, stating its forces have not observed unusual movements of Belarusian troops on the border. (Reuters) Israel–Hezbollah conflict An Israeli soldier is killed and several others are injured in Hezbollah rocket launches at IDF positions in Ya'ara and Biyadh Blida, with Burkan missiles and drone strikes in Western Galilee being intercepted by the Iron Dome. Hezbollah claims that it attacked and repelled Israeli soldiers attempting to infiltrate southern Lebanon through the Hadab Aita forest and had inflicted casualties. (Al Jazeera) Two Hezbollah militants are killed in Israeli airstrikes on Hezbollah infrastructure in southern Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) Eight civilians are injured in an Israeli airstrike on a Hezbollah weapons facility in the eastern Beqaa Valley of Lebanon. (Reuters) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Three soldiers and five Pakistani Taliban gunmen are killed during a shootout in Bajaur District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (AP) Arts and culture Maria Branyas, the former world's oldest known living person, dies at the age of 117 years and 168 days, making Tomiko Itooka the new current oldest living person. (AP) Disasters and accidents Two people are killed by flooding in Oxford, Connecticut, United States. (CNN) One person is killed and fifteen others are rescued when the United Kingdom-flagged superyacht Bayesian sinks near Palermo, Italy, due to a waterspout. Six others remain missing, including British entrepreneur Mike Lynch. (AP) Health and environment 2023–2024 mpox epidemic Pakistan reports a case of mpox in Kashmir, bringing the total number of cases in the country to four. In response to the rapid increase of cases in the country, Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif announces that the country will begin screening people at entry points. (Hindustan Times) (Firstpost) The Philippine Department of Health reports its first case of mpox this year in a patient with no international travel history. (GMA Network) Health officials in Tainan City, Taiwan, report that they have confirmed three cases of mpox so far this year. (TVBS Taiwan) Law and crime One person is killed and eight injured during a mass shooting against a vehicle carrying migrants in Tubutama, Sonora, Mexico. (AP) Russian president Vladimir Putin signs a decree making it easier for foreign nationals who support "traditional values" and "oppose neoliberalism" to seek asylum in Russia. (Anadolu Agency) Former US Representative George Santos pleads guilty to wire fraud and aggravated identity theft, which will carry a sentence of at least two years. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2024 Kiribati parliamentary election Kiribati islanders vote in the second round of elections for the 44 members of the House of Assembly. (Radio New Zealand) Science and technology A rocket engine for Rocket Factory Augsburg's launch vehicle RFA One explodes during a test launch at the SaxaVord Spaceport in Scotland, United Kingdom. (BBC News) A rare blue supermoon appears in the sky. (Axios)

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2024 Kiribati parliamentary election

Article: 2024 Kiribati parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Taneti Maamau's (pictured) Tobwaan Kiribati Party wins the most seats in the 2024 Kiribati parliamentary election but not enough to form a government outright (Post)
News source(s): [13][14][15]
Credits:

• Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

It may be a minor country, but it was still a national election. Article could use an update to the infobox, as well as an aftermath section. Scu ba (talk) 02:49, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The article contains a bunch of unsourced tables, and doesn't mention the results of the election in the lead. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:20, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• Two days later, and it's still a somewhat sad looking election article. Schwede66 05:52, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  Yep I think it’s unlikely this article will be good enough quality before it’s too late to post. The good news is that Kiribati hasn’t decided on a president yet so maybe when that happens it can get posted. Flyingfishee (talk) 14:33, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Superyacht sinks

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Article: Bayesian (yacht) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The superyacht Bayesian is sunk in a storm and the missing passengers include tycoon Mike Lynch (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Created by Stephan Schulz (talk · give credit)

Article updated

• Comment The article (Bayesian (yacht)) should probably be Sinking of the Bayesian as the yacht itself isn't notable, only the event. The article is, regardless, currently a stub. Black Kite (talk) 20:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose good faith nom. One dead + several missing does not rise to the level of an ITN blurb. Additionally, article quality is nowhere near adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as comparatively trivial. An RD nom for Lynch may be in order soon, though. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:40, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Just a human interest story that's a tad more notable because it involves someone of note. But fatal vehicle incidents are fairly routine. The target article probably shouldn't even have been created. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)'
• Soft oppose but note that this would be an appropriate form of RD blurb - the death as an event is notable This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:38, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, Support RD per Orbitalbuzzsaw. Flip^andFlopped ツ 13:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, Oppose RD as Lynch has not been confirmed to be dead. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:49, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose all the things Tragic accident, notable person is probably dead, and if confirmed, RD makes sense. However, his impact on this world and untimely death do not rise to level of ITN blurb. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, support RD if death confirmed. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 15:17, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

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(Ready) RD: Phil Donahue

Article: Phil Donahue (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News (USA)
Credits:

• Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American talk show personality. Staraction (talk | contribs) 14:02, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support I don't see any citation-needed or other issues that would prevent this from being listed _pbp 15:40, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose a couple of cn tags, The Phil Donahue Show section does not have a source. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{ਗੱਲਬਾਤ} 15:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose due to citation needed tags. Suonii180 (talk) 17:41, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Support, Donahue reinvented the talk show format and brought the concept up a level or two. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:20, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Every person with an article is deemed notable enough for RD. So the only issue to be discussed here relates to the quality/sourcing of the article (see WP:ITNRD). Tradedia^talk 16:55, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Support CN tags seem to be resolved Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:57, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

As of now, I can see 4 "citation needed". Tradedia^talk 22:30, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Citation issues fixed. Thriley (talk) 23:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support This has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

August 18

Portal:Current events/2024 August 18

August 18, 2024 (2024-08-18) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine 2024 Kursk offensive The Armed Forces of Ukraine destroy a second bridge over the Seym river in Zvannoye. (BBC News) Belarusian involvement in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko reports that nearly one third of the Belarusian Army has been deployed along the Belarus–Ukraine border, in response to Ukraine stationing more than 120,000 troops at the border. However, Ukraine claims no movement of Belarusian troops has been observed. (Reuters) Eastern Ukraine campaign The Russian Ministry of Defence claims that Russian forces have captured the village of Svyrydonivka in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (Anadolu Agency) Libyan crisis The Central Bank of Libya suspends all operations following the kidnapping of the head of its information technology department by an unknown party. (Reuters) A bomb explodes in Tel Aviv, Israel, killing one person and injuring another. (Sky News) Disasters and accidents 2024 European floods Record rainfall strikes regions of the Austrian capital of Vienna with most of the city's average total summer rainfall falling in just one hour, causing significant flooding and damage throughout the city. (Reuters) 2024 Lebanese blackout Ongoing nationwide blackouts in Lebanon caused by fuel shortages provoke significant governmental conflict, with the Minister of Energy blaming the Central Bank for not paying Iraq for fuel imports and the Central Bank blaming Parliament for not authorizing emergency fund transfers for fuel payments. (Asharq Al-Awsat) 2024 Yemen floods More than 100 people are killed during nearly three weeks of persistent heavy rainfall and flooding across Yemen, with the country's national weather agency declaring a severe weather alert for future "very heavy thunderstorms". (Arab News) At least eight family members are killed when their van collides with a delivery truck in Sariaya, Quezon, Philippines. (The Philippine Star) (Xinhua) Health and environment An oil spill originating from the El Palito refinery in Puerto Cabello, Venezuela, is reported to have contaminated more than 225 km2 (87 sq mi) of the Gulf of Paria as well as most of Morrocoy National Park. (Reuters) Law and crime Kidnapping in Nigeria Twenty medical students from the University of Jos and the University of Maiduguri are kidnapped while traveling in Benue State, Nigeria. (Al Jazeera) Politics and elections 2024 Venezuelan presidential election 2024 Venezuelan protests Venezuelan opposition officials and supporters gather in cities across the country to protest against President Nicolás Maduro and the results of the 2024 presidential election. (Reuters) China–Vietnam relations President of Vietnam and General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam Tô Lâm arrives in China for a three-day state visit, Tô's first overseas visit since becoming president and general secretary. (CNA) Sports 2024 UCI Women's World Tour In cycling, Katarzyna Niewiadoma wins the 2024 Tour de France Femmes by four seconds, her first win at the event after placing third at the 2022 and 2023 events. (CNN)

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RD: Ruth Johnson Colvin

Article: Ruth Johnson Colvin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:F408:FA10:89EF:D1C4 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Yoshi876 (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American philanthropist and founder of ProLiteracy. 240F:7A:6253:1:F408:FA10:89EF:D1C4 (talk) 21:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose ProLiteracy section is unsourced and the published works section needs more references. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:33, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Tour de France Femmes

Article: 2024 Tour de France Femmes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cycling, Katarzyna Niewiadoma wins the Tour de France Femmes. (Post)
News source(s): Guardian BBC Le Monde
Credits:

• Nominated by Turini2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Waluigithewalrus (talk · give credit), WL Pro for life (talk · give credit), PNwood213 (talk · give credit), Martijnvdam97 (talk · give credit) and Kaduuuuuu (talk · give credit)

Article updated

• Support Article is in a very good shape, looks like ready to posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{ਗੱਲਬਾਤ} 15:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support per PrinceofPunjab. Flip^andFlopped ツ 17:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Lead could use a bit of expansion, but otherwise, it looks good. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

  Working on it - just finishing the race summary first. Turini2 (talk) 16:10, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

  done! Turini2 (talk) 16:50, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. Has been up over 24 hours with only supports. Article appears to be of good quality. Black Kite (talk) 17:43, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting comment Since every edition of the Tour de France Femmes has been posted, it may be a good idea to make this an ITNR event. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:29, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

  +1 ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:31, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Franciszek Smuda

Article: Franciszek Smuda (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SF-WP (in Polish)
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Big name in Polish football, internationally best known as the Poland national manager when hosting Euro 2012. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose mutiple cn tags and Honours section needs more sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{ਗੱਲਬਾਤ} 14:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

RD/blurb: Alain Delon

Article: Alain Delon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  French actor Alain Delon (pictured) dies at the age of 88 (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

I'm personally inclined for a blurb here. Name a French actor and he would be there. Brandmeister^talk 07:11, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb; not a serving head of state or government, manner of death not notable This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

  These are not the only criteria, we blurbed Tina Turner, Pele, Milan Kundera, Sydney Poitier, Betty White and others. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:27, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Those are not the criteria, and never have been. You are actively misleading other users by continuing to claim that they are. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb, legendary actor with storied career and varied international work, recipient of major awards like His name was long associated with standard, he defined what was a handsome male. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:25, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb—To the best of my recollection, I haven't heard of Alain Delon before. However, I am sufficiently convinced of his status as a culturally significant figure in the history of cinema. His article is comprehensive, well-sourced, and illustrates just how iconic he was in a career that spanned several decades. Kurtis ^(talk) 08:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

  Revisiting my support, I don't think I gave the article a thorough enough review. I don't think it's too far off from being of high enough quality to be featured on the main page. All it needs is a few more citations in the paragraphs where they're lacking. Kurtis ^(talk) 01:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD, oppose blurb: Seems to be significant figure, but I doubt he's as noteworthy today to warrant a blurb. Tofusaurus (talk) 09:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

  It is one of rare cases where the article showed influence abd transformative criteria even before death of the person. BilboBeggins (talk) 11:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

  Notability is not temporary. This is frankly an absurd objection. Most celebrities die decades after their prime. Many young people will not even remember them. So what? Fame and influence remain. FWIW, he's well-known in Germany, too, probably in all of Europe and beyond, not only among cineasts. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 08:36, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• Picture A famous face for which we have a good selection of free images. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

  But we don't post picture RDs. BilboBeggins (talk) 11:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not a fan of the idea of picture RDs, but you're begging the question. "This is how we've always done it" is an argument for when there's no other argument. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

  Nice reference to my username, thank you:) BilboBeggins (talk) 19:15, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD, neutral on blurb. Definitely one of the most famous French actors in history, but just doesn't rise to the Thatcher/Mandela standards we should keep blurbs to. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality but otherwise Support blurb. This is an example of what we should be looking for to demonstrate a major figure - a very in-depth legacy section (all sourced) that makes it clear to the reader why he was considered as such. No question on thus meriting a blurb. However, there are paragraphs in both the earlier career and sections and in the personal life section (including some of the legal aspects) that are unsourced, and must be fixed before posting. --Masem (t) 12:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Blurb, oppose RD on quality While certainly a renowned French artist but in my opinion he does not have enough caliber to have a blurb. RD cannot be posted right now because some section including Honours one needs more sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{ਗੱਲਬਾਤ} 14:15, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

  How does he have not enough caliber to ha e a blurb if there is transformative and influence section?

  Why was Billy Mays posted? BilboBeggins (talk) 19:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

  @BilboBeggins, First of all, I think you meant Willie Mays. FYI, I actually opposed his nomination. I believe that most of the things mention in the influence section are just comments made by some famous persons in some interviews and majority of things in that section are trivial and the whole section seems to be blown a little out of proportions. I am actually very much against the blurb death of a non head of state, Unless they die in a unnatural way. And before you bring out Betty White or Tony Bennett like in other comments made by you, I wasn't active in the ITN section at that time otherwise I would have opposed those too. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{ਗੱਲਬਾਤ} 08:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb: Despite being way too young to remember him properly, I should note he's one of the few actors we consider as vital, next to the likes of Sydney Poitier and Betty White (who did received the "blurb treatment", as well). Plus, he's been widely regarded as one of the main cinema icons of the last century, so the notability is definitely there. It's true, though, that the article still needs a bit of work before we can proceed, and I don't know if I'll be able to help myself... Oltrepier (talk) 14:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb (if quality is fixed) One of the last giants of world cinema. Tradedia^talk 15:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb: I wouldn't normally support a blurb for an actor but the Sydney Poitier and Betty White precedents argue in its favour. He was arguably among the three best known french actors abroad along with Catherine Deneuve and Gérard Depardieu and had a major following in Japan. The original sin was in accepting blurbs for actors in the first place Varoon2542 (talk) 15:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I would rather educate myself about dead legendary artists, than read about the latest PDC World Darts Championship. Tradedia^talk 16:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I won't be disagreeing with that Varoon2542 (talk) 19:33, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD, oppose blurb: Important, but not enough for a blurb. Scheridon (talk) 16:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose blurb - Per above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Could you please elaborate on that? I would very much like to hear you rationale for oppose because I really didn't see any rule-based rationales from other oppose voters, its mostly about opinions. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

That's how RD blurbs work, it's generally based on opinion. WP:ITNRDBLURB and all. Kcmastrpc (talk) 22:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb when quality is improved. He is certainly one of the most influential and renowned French icons of the past century.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 17:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I won’t express my opinion on this nomination, but after seeing how extensive is the influence and legacy section, all oppose votes should be disregarded as they obviously come from people who either don’t like a blurb to be posted or lack basic understanding about how Wikipedia works.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

  @Kiril Simeonovski I respect your point of view, but I think it is essential to understand that those who disagree do not always mean they are ignorant of rules of Wikipedia. The fact that someone is opposed to a nomination does not necessarily imply that they are against putting a blurb or lack basic knowledge on Wikipedia’s process. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{ਗੱਲਬਾਤ} 08:02, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

  Nobody here is opposed to a blurb because they don't like it, where are you getting this idea from? Saying "all oppose vote should be disregarded" shows your blatant bias against other editors who oppose in good faith. Tofusaurus (talk) 10:19, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb. The man is notable, the actual event of his death is not. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

The deaths of sufficiently notable people are notable, and that's why we have both RD and (occasionally) death blurbs. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD, neutral on blurb there really needs to be more clear-cut/explicit criteria for what is appropriate to be blurbed, which is why I am staying neutral on the blurb. As far as I've seen, nobody has a good argument for why Willie Mays or Tony Bennett or Betty White's deaths were appropriate to be blurbed but Delon's death isn't, when the circumstances are more or less the same (old celebrity dies of poor health). Article quality is fine, except for the family section - one more statement needs to be cited, and the quality of the other sources is poor. For instance, geneanet is user-aggregated and thus shouldn't be used as a source of info. (To be honest I would just remove the family section entirely.) When those issues are fixed, it will be good to post as RD. Jaguarnik (talk) 21:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

  My argument is as it has always been that none of your examples deserved a blurb - if we're blurbing the death, the death (NOT the person) has to be notable as an event in itself - hence the serving political leader criterion This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

  This is not what rules say. There has been nothing notable about deaths of Tony Bennet, Queen Elisabeth, Pele or Pope Benedict XVI. They were all blurbed though. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

  There needs to be a request for comment about this topic, because at this point it doesn't seem that there's a rationale for blurbing someone's death other than "We blurbed x so why not y". A consensus would be good. Jaguarnik (talk) 18:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• More than 15 paragraphs that lack a single reference, and lots of other unreferenced material. Stephen 22:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
• Not Ready for RD for the usual reason. Neutral on a blurb if we can get the article up to scratch. He was one of the top actors in France, but the community has turned down giants in the field. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
• Bibliography comment Alain Delon § Bibliography is not the usual list of works by the subject. It's an extensive listing about the subject. Disucssion at Talk:Alain Delon § Bibliography. Missing ISBNs too.—Bagumba (talk) 04:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment WILL EVERYONE STOP ATTACKING EACH OTHER PLEASE!! Thank you, anyways here’s a solution for now: put him in the RD we debate a little more for blurb. relax and stop attacking each other agressively Ion.want.uu (talk) 14:23, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb Very influential actor, I have not heard about him before but he seems to be a very important figure in films. Still some problems needing to be fixed but once they’re fixed I reckon we blurb him. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 06:28, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

• Lean oppose blurb Articles and discussions like this sometimes make me feel like I just intersected with a parallel universe or another planet. How could I, considering myself to be a reasonably well-informed individual, have missed being aware of someone who is apparently so prominent? It's nice to have Wikipedia to remind me that there is a world outside of my own country (the United States), and sometimes a global culture is not so global. We may be entirely ignorant of many of each others' celebrities, for example. Although my experience may not be representative of that of others, with one or two exceptions, I was not aware of Delon nor his films.

I believe global notability, at least within the English-speaking world, ought to be a prerequisite for inclusion as a blurb in the English language Wikipedia. Since that threshold is arbitrary, however, this forum provides a good test for determining global notability. I have no issue with entertainers being included if they are determined to have sufficient notability. As one test, one could compare him with others born in the same year. Among Delon's peers who were born in 1935, I believe Elvis Presley, Luciano Pavorotti, Julie Andrews and Woody Allen are some of the most notable entertainers who would reach that threshold. Despite some impressive achievements in French cinema, I don't believe Alain Delon passes the threshold of global notability in the English-speaking world for inclusion as a blurb.Ryan Reeder (talk) 07:14, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

No. This is Wikipedia in English, not Wikipedia about people who speak English. There is not, and never should be, any requirement that our subjects be especially famous in the English-speaking world rather than any other language sphere. Your own admitted ignorance of French cinema is a sign that you are being parochial, not that Alain Delon was not famous. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

This is why notability is pretty relative and depends on cultural context, and why one person's judgement isn't enough to establish global notability. As a French person myself, I see Alain Delon as a defining figure of French cinema and assumed he would be much more well-known internationally than he might actually be. On the other hand, I haven't heard as much about the achievements of Pavorotti or Andrews, and would have underestimated their notability compared to Delon's. This kind of notability depends a lot on the cultural sphere one lives in, which means hearing from editors with various perspectives is great to see whether someone is truly globally notable.
Like Genevieve said, I don't think notability within the English-speaking world should be a prerequisite rather than global notability, but either way, it seems like Delon might just not be reaching that threshold. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:36, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

First, he passes threshold of global notability.

Second, we don't require English a person to be famous in English speaking world in order to qualify for a blurb, this not in the rules.

Third, Delon has 120 Wikipedia articles in different languages, Pavarotti has 95 articles, Julie Andrews has 84 articles, Woody Allen has 109 articles. He surpasses them on the metric of number of articles.— Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎BilboBeggins (talk • contribs) 12:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality for now. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Blurb democracy manifest guy had considerably more press vs this dude, and he didn't even get a RD mention. Also, orange tagged, so oppose RD until the typical prominent actor dies citing concerns are fixed. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:30, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

  Apples and oranges. Some ordinary dude who came under spotlight after being arrested by Australian police vs an actor with a 70-year film career, culminated in multiple domestic and foreign awards. C'mon... Brandmeister^talk 16:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

  • And Democracy Manifest also missed out on getting an RD(, a succulent Wikipedia RD!) based on the consensus of the community alas. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

  Democracy manifest guy was more recent hence more press. If Delon was in his peak today he would have plenty of press coverage. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 06:25, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality, several parts of the article have sourcing issues. Suonii180 (talk) 17:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality grounds, currently still has a big tag on the top. No comment in relation to blurb or RD but leaning against blurbing if it gets sorted. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb if every celebrity with an "influence" and "recognition by peers" section in their article is inherently notable enough to merit a blurb, then we should be auto-blurbing basically every major dead actor or singer. Instead, we gauge notability by coverage in the press and while there is some coverage, it does not rise beyond the standard level of obituary coverage expected of a celebrity. Flip^andFlopped ツ 18:01, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

  Isn't it what exactly took place with Sydney Poitier and Betty White ?

  How is Betty White notable ? Noone actually knows her outside of the US

  For years, notability has been determined on one criteria, "who Wikipedia editors know" and that usually depends on geography and age

  I'm sure older Americans have heard of him

  We are pretending to be impartial when we've never been

  If Alain Delon, doesn't even get an RD by now, no french actor will ever be seen as deserving one Varoon2542 (talk) 19:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

  Sydney Poitier was hugely influential figure not just for his skill as an actor but for his role in breaking color barriers in the film industry. Betty White was buoyed by a wave of fan supports. Honestly, she should not have been posted. It's worth noting that very famous actors are routinely rejected including Kirk Douglas and Olivia de Havilland, two giants from the golden age of Hollywood. The only issue keeping Delon from RD is the article's gnerally poor referencing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:19, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

  Worldwide, Poitier is not more influential than Delon. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

• Stats As we have the usual impasse at ITN, it is instructive to see what our readers are choosing. We find that:

1. Alain Delon was the top read article on Wikipedia yesterday with about double the readership of the closest competition – Alien: Romulus
2. Most of the ITN blurb articles do not have significant readership -- they are at the 10K level which is effectively the baseline for ITN. The only exception is Paetongtarn Shinawatra who got about 80K but that's still an order of magnitude less than Delon.

So, it's apparent that ITN is quite out of touch with the general readership. Our readers really don't care what stale stuff we run and just vote with their feet.

Andrew🐉(talk) 22:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Yet again, it must be stated that ITN does not consider readership numbers at all. We are not trying to optimize SEO hits or the like here. That's why the point of ITN is about featuring quality articles that are in the news (in line with all other sections of the main page) , not about being a news ticker simply to index hot news topics. — Masem (t) 23:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@Masem: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is that way. BangJan1999 23:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

That doesn't mean Masem's comment as it related to how ITN decisions are made isn't relevant. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Why would anyone need to go to ANI about this? Y'all are weird. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Maybe because this has been a consistent yet constant feature of AD on ITN/C, and of the multiple folks who have tried their best to remind him that no, ITN is not a news ticker. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 23:43, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Article needs improvement in terms in sourcing. Once these issues are addressed, I can support blurb since article establishes his impact in the field of cinema spanning languages/regions. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:14, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb once the article's quality is there. It establishes how transformative and famous he was internationally, he probably is among the few non-Hollywood actors you should consider for this. --Clibenfoart (talk) 16:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Quality needs a lot of improvement. I commented on the talk page, but the Influence on his contemporaries and legacy section is overstuffed and may have a lot of original research to claim that xyz film or actor was influenced by Delon. Natg 19 (talk) 17:13, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb on improved article. He's such a stylish film icon internationally, he really deserves a blurb. STSC (talk)

Still has a lot of citation needed tags, and 2 orange tags on the article. Natg 19 (talk) 05:40, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb. Not remotely of the same stature as Thatcher or Mandela, the usual benchmarks for the kind of globally known figure that would be posted. Blurbs are not just for people who did well in life and very successful, they're for the deaths that make you stop in your tracks when you see them. Also some way off on quality, so seems unlikely it will even make RD at this point, but who knows.  — Amakuru (talk) 06:18, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Easily one of the most important actors of the 20th century. If Delon doesn't get a blurb then there's little hope for any non-hollywood actors getting a blurb. Flyingfishee (talk) 03:52, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  Belmondo did. It's a moot point with the the outstanding page quality concerns. —Bagumba (talk) 15:35, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

August 17

Portal:Current events/2024 August 17

August 17, 2024 (2024-08-17) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip August 2024 Deir el-Balah attacks Eighteen people from the same family are killed in an airstrike in the town of Az-Zawayda in the Gaza Strip. (AP) (Reuters) Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war Two senior Hamas militants are killed in an Israeli airstrike in Jenin in the occupied West Bank. (Reuters) Three-phase Israel–Hamas war ceasefire proposal Israeli officials state that they are attempting to "lower expectations" of a ceasefire deal due to significant gaps between Israel and Hamas demands, after United States president Joe Biden stated that he was "optimistic" about the progress of US-mediated negotiations in Qatar. (Al Jazeera) Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine 2024 Kursk offensive Rockets launched by the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroy a Russian bridge over the Seym river in Glushkovo, Kursk Oblast. Russia's foreign ministry claims that the missiles were launched using Western-made rocket launchers and that the missiles killed volunteers who were evacuating Russian civilians. (Reuters) Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War, Budget of Germany, Germany–Ukraine relations Germany issues an indefinite ban on requesting or providing new military aid to Ukraine that has not already been approved in order to reduce federal budget spending. The moratorium results in a "tangible dispute" within the Scholz coalition government. (Politico) (The Kyiv Independent) Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant crisis The International Atomic Energy Agency declares that the safety of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant is deteriorating, following an investigation into an explosive drone strike that targeted a perimeter access road at the power plant. (Reuters) Israel–Hezbollah conflict August 2024 Nabatieh attack Ten Syrian citizens, including two children, are killed in an Israeli airstrike on a residential building in Nabatieh, Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) (Reuters) Hezbollah reportedly strikes the Ayelet HaShahar kibbutz in Upper Galilee, Israel, wounding two Israeli soldiers in retaliation. (Reuters) Somali Civil War 2024 Mogadishu tea shop bombing At least 20 people are killed and ten others are injured in a bombing at a tea shop in Daynile District, Mogadishu, Somalia. (Aussiedlerbote) (IDil News) Sudanese civil war Galgani massacre At least 85 people are killed in arson and looting attacks amid a rampage by Rapid Support Forces in the village of Galgani in Sennar State, Sudan. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2024 Lebanese blackout The state electricity company of Lebanon Électricité du Liban runs out of fuel reserves and announces that it can no longer supply power to the country, leading to a complete nationwide blackout. (The National) (Iraqi News Agency) A 7.2-magnitude earthquake strikes off the eastern coast of Kamchatka Krai, Russia with a tsunami warning being issued. (Sky News) A Fouga Magister aircraft operated by the French Air Force performing an air show crashes off the coast of Le Lavandou, France, killing the pilot. (AFP via Euronews) Law and crime Six people are arrested in connection to a mass shooting due to feuds that occurred last week in Clarendon Parish, Jamaica, which killed eight people and injured nine others. (AP) Four convicts escape in a prison break at a psychiatric hospital in Straubing, Bavaria, Germany. (DW) Politics and elections For the first time, the Indonesian Independence Day ceremony is held simultaneously in Jakarta and Nusantara due to the relocation of the country's capital. (Detik)

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(Posted) RD: Silvio Santos

Article: Silvio Santos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [16] [17]
Credits:

• Nominated by Maeslor (talk · give credit)
• Updated by SaxyGuy (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Brazilian media mogul and television host. He was the host of the second longest running Brazilian program: Programa Silvio Santos, aired since 1963. He was also the only celebrity in the country on the list of billionaires by Forbes magazine. The magazine also states that "there is no one more famous than Silvio Santos in Brazil." Maeslor

• Conditional oppose: I have no doubt he is a major figure in the country as both an entrepreneur and a television presenter, but the article on EN needs work (Portuguese Wikipedia has a more substantive article we could translate from. This one is not as complete and even cites YouTube in places). ViperSnake151  Talk  00:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I have just translated the Death of Silvio Santos page, going on the background, announcement, and reactions in Brazil and worldwide. Erick Soares3 (talk) 13:19, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support I think the article is in a good enough shape to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{ਗੱਲਬਾਤ} 14:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support He was an important person and the article is not bad. Scheridon (talk) 16:14, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support, quite surprising this isn't in the main page yet. RodRabelo7 (talk) 18:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment the death spinout article has far too many quotes are reads more like a memorial piece. I question if that really needed to be spun out since the actual activities around the death are somwhat thin. Masem (t) 15:37, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Article looks good. Really, the death article is kinda extraneous and some of that content can be pulled over, but its 90% memorial commentary so it's not that big a deal. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:15, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Having so many people tune into his show for that long is remarkable. Connor Behan (talk) 01:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 15:11, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Black Caviar

Article: Black Caviar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News Sydney Morning Herald
Credits:

• Nominated by Aydoh8 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sunline02 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Famous Australian racehorse. Aydoh8^[contribs] 05:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Support looks good enough to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{ਗੱਲਬਾਤ} 14:20, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on Quality. Lacking in references for Race record and Pedigree sections. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:49, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support This has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:53, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Kolkata doctor rape and murder case - protest

Article: 2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Protset in support of R G Kar Medical College (pictured)A rape and murder incident prompts protests across India. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In India, doctors go on strike and nationwide protests occur after the rape and murder of a woman physician in Kolkata.
News source(s): News [18][19][20]
Credits:

• Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Arijit Kisku (talk · give credit), VSankeerthSai1609 (talk · give credit), Borgenland (talk · give credit) and Sunuraju (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: 2024 Kolkata doctor rape and murder case. Spworld2 06:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Snow oppose Horrifying case, but ITN usually doesn't post crimes committed against individual people. Furthermore, the article is not complete. Bremps... 06:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC) Outdated. Bremps... 22:25, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Usually this is not a small case against individuals, they were raped and killed with great brutality, public protests are continuing in all cities of India against this, doctors are also on strike in India.[21][22] [23][24][25][26][27] Spworld2 (talk) 06:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Also you can't call WP:SNOW on the 1st comment Abcmaxx (talk) 13:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

By that logic, George Floyd's murder wouldn't make it to ITN. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 14:41, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Post posting support The original blurb said nothing about any protests. Bremps... 22:25, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - "The incident took place when 'Trainee Doctor', a 31-year-old Trainee Doctor,......" sentence just ends there. No way we can post this, article doesn't even tell you what happened PrecariousWorlds (talk) 06:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

RD is mostly for the deaths of notable people/organisms, not for murder cases, even if high-profile. Good faith nom PrecariousWorlds (talk) 06:22, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

There is a law in India that the name of the victim in a rape case should not be disclosed Spworld2 (talk) 06:31, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

At the time I wrote that the article literally just consisted of 'a 31-year-old trainee doctor'. That was the only information about the incident in the entire article. I wasn't referring to the victim's name.PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

The article has come a long way since, I do think its in a decent (not great) place for posting Schwinnspeed (talk) 22:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

[28][29] [30][31][32][33][34] Spworld2 (talk) 06:50, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

• This should not be an RD, this should be nominated as a blurb, but primarily due to the protests that have followed from the crime. --Masem (t) 17:51, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Not an RD nom anymore. (Not a wikibio.) Need a better blurb. --PFHLai (talk) 20:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb There is significant coverage of this in the news, both within India and internationally. A single incident wouldn't be ITN worthy but the notable thing here, as Masem stated, is the protests and response that followed. The altblurb highlights this a bit more clearly. Schwinnspeed (talk) 20:39, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
• If it does go up, I do feel the victim's name should not be omitted in the burb. It feels like the blurbs are discussing the protests more than the victim themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RJX74 (talk • contribs) 23:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, because the notable thing is the protests, not the murder itself. Also, WP:BDP applies. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 00:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Exactly. I was gonna the same the same to the first comment above. Brutal as a rape is, they're not so unusual in the country.Sportsnut24 (talk) 04:54, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Need to sort out which article is. the Alt that is not "incident" is best.Sportsnut24 (talk) 04:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Support Altblurb The incident have received widespread international coverage. The news about it has been featured on the multiple international newspaper's front page. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{ਗੱਲਬਾਤ} 14:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Support altblurb, really terrible news and the strikes have been gaining more coverage as Prince of Punjab said Dyaquna (talk) 02:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support notability quite clearly world news and affecting the world's most populous nation. Is there an article on the protests though? Abcmaxx (talk) 13:37, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• I do find it perplexing that the article focuses on the murder rather than the protests themselves. Most of the article's prose cover the protests. I understand they were much larger (early returns, granted), but wouldn't an incident such as the Mahsa Amini protests inform precedent on article focus here? DarkSide830 (talk) 17:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb If a countrywide medical worker strike in India is not notable, I don't know what to say to you. The article is well cited and is good quality enough for ITN. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 14:45, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability A countrywide medical strike seems to me to be notable enough. However, the lead could be significantly improved, and the article could better explain whether or not the strike is still ongoing. Gödel2200 (talk) 19:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability and preferably altblurb. Well cited and article is in good shape. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 06:23, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Slotted it at the nom's 17 Aug date, though protests and strikes occured earlier, as the strike went nationwide on 17th.[35] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bagumba (talk • contribs) 9:30, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

August 16

Portal:Current events/2024 August 16

August 16, 2024 (2024-08-16) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine 2024 Kursk offensive Ukraine reports capturing 82 Russian settlements within an area of 1,150 square kilometres (440 sq mi) since the start of the Kursk incursion on August 6. (Reuters) Over 120,000 Russian citizens have been evacuated according to Russia, and at least 100 Russian soldiers are captured according to Ukraine. (AP) Russia accuses the United States and European nations of directly helping Ukraine in its incursion on Kursk Oblast by planning operations and providing military support, and states that their involvement "created all the prerequisites for Ukraine to lose its sovereignty and lose part of its territories". (Reuters) A Russian Iskander-M ballistic missile strike on an airbase in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, Ukraine, destroys a MiG-29 jet that was equipped with Storm Shadow missiles. Ukraine's air force spokesperson Yurii Ihnat later confirms the loss of the aircraft on August 20. There are no casualties reported. (The Kyiv Independent) Israeli–Palestinian conflict Israeli occupation of the West Bank One Palestinian is killed and many houses are burned down in a large organized Israeli settler raid on the village of Jit, Qalqilya Governorate, in the West Bank. (CNN) (Reuters) Ituri conflict Sixteen people are killed and 20 more kidnapped during an attack by Allied Democratic Forces militants at agricultural lands in Mambasa, Ituri Province, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (AP) Yemeni civil war Sixteen soldiers are killed and 18 more injured during a suicide car bombing in Mudiyah, Abyan Governorate, Yemen. Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula claims responsibility for the attack. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2024 Pacific typhoon season Thousands of people are ordered to evacuate in northern Japan as Typhoon Ampil approaches the country. (AP) At least 54 people are killed in Chad after days of floods. (AL24News) Health and environment 2024 Gaza Strip polio outbreak The first case of polio in the Gaza Strip in 25 years is confirmed, coming from an unvaccinated 10-month-old child in Deir al-Balah. (Euronews) Law and crime Haitian crisis Eleven inmates are killed during shootouts with police after escaping from a jail in Saint-Marc, Haiti. (Al Jazeera) LGBT rights in Bulgaria Bulgaria passes a new amendment by a large parliamentary majority that bans “propaganda, promotion, and incitement” of LGBT “ideas and views” in schools, sparking criticism from several European LGBTQ+ organizations stating that the law will marginalize LGBTQ+ children. (Politico) The Argentine Federal Police dismantle an alleged Islamist terrorist organization planning attacks against Jewish community centers in Mendoza. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2024 United States presidential election Cornel West 2024 presidential campaign Independent presidential candidate Cornel West and his running mate Melina Abdullah are both disqualified from and refused entry on the 2024 Michigan presidential election ballot due to an improperly notarized form. (Washington Post) 2024 Dominican Republic general election Luis Abinader is sworn in for a second term as President of the Dominican Republic. (Reuters) The Thai House of Representatives selects Paetongtarn Shinawatra as the new Prime Minister, replacing Srettha Thavisin who was dismissed by the Constitutional Court on Wednesday. (Bloomberg) Science and technology Wow! signal, Search for extraterrestrial intelligence The Wow! signal is found to have likely been caused by a rare astrophysical event, the sudden brightening of a cold molecular cloud triggered by a stellar emission. (University of Puerto Rico at Arecibo)

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(Posted) RD: Daniela Larreal

Article: Daniela Larreal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Diario de la Americas News.com.au
Credits:

• Nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Venezuelan cyclist; death announced on this date. Kingsif (talk) 15:01, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Prose has less than 150 words, needs a lot of expansion. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{ਗੱਲਬਾਤ} 15:50, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Expanded beyond stub, and I have included several older sources but am still looking for more behind the obits. So far, looks like she got more attention for politics than sports (Venezuela), but there should be some sources on e.g. her cycling World Cup wins. Kingsif (talk) 20:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support article is in a very good shape now. Major results section still needs some sources but there is nothing major holding it back from bring posted. Great work @Kingsif. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:14, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support per above. Flip^andFlopped ツ 15:25, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Scott Bloomquist

Article: Scott Bloomquist (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press, CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:9DB7:B240:8923:9CF9 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by MysticCipher87(alt-account) (talk · give credit), Red Director (talk · give credit) and HotMAN0199 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American dirt track racing driver. 240F:7A:6253:1:9DB7:B240:8923:9CF9 (talk) 09:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose multiple orange tags that needs to be resolved. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{ਗੱਲਬਾਤ} 15:48, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality as per the multiple orange tags that are at the top of the page. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 23:46, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Afa Anoaʻi

Article: Afa Anoaʻi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wrestling Observer-Figure Four Online, WWE
Credits:

• Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
• Updated by K-popguardian (talk · give credit) and Vacant0 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Samoan pro wrestler, one half of the Wild Samoans. Article is actually pretty solid quality/citation-wise for a wrestling bio. The Kip ^(contribs) 22:29, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Photo RD but the usual is fine, too, per Kip. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support article looks ready to go. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{ਗੱਲਬਾਤ} 14:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Around a handful of Cn tags.—Bagumba (talk) 16:58, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

  Dont see any at this point.—Bagumba (talk) 15:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

  Somone changed the birthdate in the lead, which is different from what's in the body, which in turn is not found in the citation given. First match info is also unsourced.—Bagumba (talk) 15:31, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

  Resolved.—Bagumba (talk) 10:39, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support I've added missing references to the article, should be good now. --Vacant0 (talk• contribs) 12:39, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment — As usual for this page, most !votes appear to be based on seeing the mere presence of citations in the article. I see overall weak sourcing, tons of contextual holes (like many pro wrestling articles, it reads like an advertisement for WWE), statements not supported by sources, a lede that isn't a lede at all but rather a block of text separated from the rest of the article for purely stylistic purposes, etc. etc. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 12:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

  "Superstar" Billy Graham was a recent wrestling RD that at a glance seemed sourced, but upon further review had many refs not supporting all of the preceding sentences. Though this isn't limited to wrestling RDs. —Bagumba (talk) 15:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Seems well cited and no tags on it. 16:39, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support ready to go now. Flip^andFlopped ツ 14:12, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Two CN tags still outstanding. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:03, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

  Seems like the issue has been addressed (there are no cn tags atm). Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 10:14, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support This has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 17:22, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:46, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: John Lansing (journalist)

Article: John Lansing (journalist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Former CEO of NPR and chief of the U.S. Agency for Global Media. ForsythiaJo (talk) 20:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Support article in a good enough shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{ਗੱਲਬਾਤ} 14:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Posted—Bagumba (talk) 15:13, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Paetongtarn chosen as new Thai PM

Paetongtarn Shinawatra

Article: Paetongtarn Shinawatra (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Paetongtarn Shinawatra is chosen as Prime Minister of Thailand by the House of Representatives, replacing Srettha Thavisin who was dismissed by the Constitutional Court. (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg BBC News The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Propose to merge with the existing blurb on Srettha's dismissal, just like how we did with the Bangladesh PM. Tofusaurus (talk) 05:23, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support merge seems fine. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 09:11, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support merge also. River10000 (talk) 11:49, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The proposed blurb says she was selected by the House, but her article currently says "parliament". This Bangkok Post article says it was the House, explictly stating that the Senate wasn't required.—Bagumba (talk) 11:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Support merge as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality only A few unsourced statements but that should be easily fixed. --Masem (t) 13:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support merge, because it's a succession in head of government of Thailand, plus swap out the picture. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 13:52, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support merger but the few unsourced statements should be fixed. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Support merger pre above Prodrummer619 (talk) 17:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support merge per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
• @Admins willing to post ITN:  ? Natg 19 (talk) 00:51, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 01:32, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Yet again, another post without all the quality issued addressed. ITN (and the Main page) is supposed to represent WP's best work, this wasn't. — Masem (t) 16:56, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

  In my opinion, the article looks fine. A few (2-3) unsourced statements should not hold up posting. Natg 19 (talk) 19:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

  Issues have since been resolved. Tofusaurus (talk) 03:58, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Pull - Posting this was premature. She hasn't yet been formally appointed prime minister. [36] estar8806 (talk) ★ 18:12, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

The King has officially appointed her as Prime Minister. [37] Tofusaurus (talk) 04:00, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

U.S. results are regularly posted before a formal presidential inauguration. Let's be consistent, one way or another.—Bagumba (talk) 06:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

August 15

Portal:Current events/2024 August 15

August 15, 2024 (2024-08-15) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine 2024 Kursk offensive Ukrainian occupation of Kursk Oblast Ukraine establishes a military administration in Sudzha with major general Eduard Moskalyov appointed as its senior commander. General Oleksandr Syrskyi says that the administration will "maintain law and order" in the region. (BBC News) Russia announces the mandatory evacuation of all civilians from Glushkovsky District in Kursk Oblast. (Reuters) The Russian Defence Ministry claims that Russian forces have retaken the settlement of Krupets. (Anadolu Agency) The Security Service of Ukraine captures 102 Russian servicemen as prisoners of war, marking the largest single group of Russian soldiers to surrender during the conflict. (Bloomberg) Ukrainian troops and military vehicles enter Russia's Belgorod Oblast with the region declaring a state of emergency. Heavy fighting is reportedly underway. (The Washington Post) Eastern Ukraine campaign Pokrovsk offensive Pokrovsk's military administration issues immediate evacuation orders for its citizens due to shelling from Russian troops about 10 km away from the city in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (UNN) Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War The United Kingdom says that Ukraine can use British weaponry, including Challenger 2 tanks, for its military operations inside Russia. (Sky News) Israel–Hamas war Evacuations during the Israel–Hamas war Peter Dutton, the leader of Australia’s Liberal Party, calls on the Australian government to ban the entry of Palestinian refugees fleeing from conflict in the Gaza Strip, which is met with significant condemnation from several politicians and organizations as promoting racial stereotypes. (ABC Australia) (Al Jazeera) SBS World News reports that the Australian government has rejected a majority of Palestinian visa applications, accepting 2,922 applications and rejecting 7,111 applications while granting 8,746 visas to Israeli citizens and rejecting only 235 applications. (Al Jazeera) Casualties of the Israel–Hamas war The Gaza Health Ministry reports that more than 40,000 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, including more than 16,000 children, have been killed due to the ongoing Israeli invasion and blockade, and that more than 10,000 Palestinians are still missing. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Hezbollah launches four rockets at IDF targets in Shamir and Malkia in Upper Galilee which were intercepted by the Iron Dome causing a fire in Shamir and Ruwaysat al-Alam of Kfarchouba in southern Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy American video game magazine Game Informer discontinues publication after 33 years. The magazine's website is also shut down. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents A Russian Air Force Tupolev Tu-22M crashes due to a "technical malfunction" in Irkutsk Oblast, Russia. The pilots safely ejected, according to Russian media. (Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty) Health and environment 2023–2024 mpox epidemic Sweden reports the first case of the new mpox variant outside Africa in a patient in Stockholm. (Arab News) (Reuters) Pakistan reports its first case of mpox this year. (First Post) International relations Germany–United States relations, Foreign relations of NATO The United States approves the sale of 600 MIM-104 Patriot air defense missiles to Germany worth US$5 billion (€4.6 billion) to improve German national defense and the overall security of NATO. (DW) Law and crime 2022 Nord Stream pipeline sabotage Ukraine denies its involvement in explosions that damaged the Nord Stream 2 pipeline in 2022 and accuses Russia of causing the explosions, following Germany issuing its first arrest warrant on the case towards a Ukrainian man. (Reuters) New Zealand extradites German hacker and Megaupload founder Kim Dotcom to the United States to face charges for computer fraud, cyber espionage, and embezzlement. (DW) Croatian Defence Minister Ivan Anušić announces that the country will reintroduce a compulsory 2-month military service starting from January 1, 2025, as part of it's reform of the Armed Forces of Croatia. Conscription was previously scrapped in 2008 when Croatia shifted to a volunteer-based system. (The Independent) Politics and elections 2024 United States presidential election 2024 United States presidential debates The Democratic Party candidate for vice president Tim Walz and the Republican Party candidate for vice president JD Vance agree to a debate on October 1 on CBS. (Reuters) 2024 Venezuelan presidential election International reactions to the 2024 Venezuelan presidential election Brazilian President Lula da Silva, Colombian President Gustavo Petro, and US President Joe Biden call for new elections in Venezuela. (Reuters) 2024 Sri Lankan presidential election Sri Lanka receives a record number of presidential candidates for the upcoming election with 39 applications accepted, surpassing 2019's record of 35 candidates. (Al Jazeera) Sports 2024 CFL season The Edmonton Elks of the Canadian Football League are sold to businessman Larry Thompson, ending 75 years of community ownership. (Edmonton Journal)

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(Posted) RD: Charis Eng

Article: Charis Eng (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): PTEN Research, Cleveland Plain Dealer
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Spencer (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Spencer^T•C 00:54, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Support article seems alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{ਗੱਲਬਾਤ} 14:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Missing any prose on death.—Bagumba (talk) 14:36, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bagumba: Added. Spencer^T•C 18:45, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 06:48, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Jack Russell (musician)

Article: Jack Russell (musician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard, NPR
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:5994:D657:3789:8602 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by UndergroundMan3000 (talk · give credit) and SirZPthundergod9001 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American musician and founding member of Great White. 240F:7A:6253:1:5994:D657:3789:8602 (talk) 13:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for the number of unsourced statements. ForsythiaJo (talk) 21:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose a large number of unsourced information. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{ਗੱਲਬਾਤ} 14:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Added an orange tag for the lack of citations in the prose. Please fix! Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 23:48, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Chicxulub impactor originated from the outer Solar System

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Chicxulub crater (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Chicxulub impactor originated from the outer Solar System (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Chicxulub asteroid has been found to be a carbonaceous asteroid which formed in the outer Solar System
News source(s): Science, [38]
Credits:

• Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Count Iblis (talk) 10:46, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose and close: what even is the meaning of this? Tofusaurus (talk) 11:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

  It means that the Chicxulub asteroid was found to be from the outer Solar System, rather than the inner Solar System. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

  I think the question is "what is the significance of this?". It's a cool discovery that this asteroid came from so far away (though I always assumed the majority of massive impactors came from the [[Outer Solar System]]), but I'm not sure it's ITN material. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:50, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose In contrast with the water on Mars story, this has extremely little impact on science going forward, its more a "that answers that question". Also, remember that we need to have coverage in the news, which is there for this but I've added that. We can't just go on published papers only. --Masem (t) 13:42, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose As per Masem, this will not have a significant impact on future science. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Maybe not a world-changing event, but scientific discoveries are often valuable by themselves, and it changes a bit from the cycle of politics and disasters usually on ITN. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:19, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The fact that the Chicxulub impactor was of carbonaceous chondrite-type has been known for many years (see this paper from 2021 for example [39]), and while the analytical techniques employed in this this paper are interesting, their claim this is some kind of new revelation is just PR hype. Hemiauchenia (talk) 16:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Hemiauchenia. More broadly, the origin of asteroid impactors is not particularly significant to astronomy. Better for models of an impact and its effects, perhaps, but certainly not ITN material. ArkHyena (talk) 16:56, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Peter Marshall

Article: Peter Marshall (entertainer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

A few citations needed, but well-sourced overall. Mooonswimmer 18:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Fixed the citations needed. Article now fully sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 01:36, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Greg Kihn

Article: Greg Kihn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KRON 4
Credits:

• Nominated by TheCorriynial (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article does need some help in a few places, but for many in the early 80s, Greg Kihn was the leader of The Greg Kihn Band and songwriter for the band, which had hits "Jeopardy (song)", "The Breakup Song" and several other in the early 80s. Weird Al covered "Jeopardy" as "I Lost on Jeopardy", where many know that song from. He also did some writing. TheCorriynial (talk) 16:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support. They don't write 'em like that any more. Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Some cn tags, an unsourced section and another section with only one source. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:54, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready yet. There are still nine citation needed tags. Flibirigit (talk) 11:32, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per usual. Aydoh8^[contribs] 12:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose multiple cn tags and many paragraphs ending without a footnote. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{ਗੱਲਬਾਤ} 14:51, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Lasse Björn

Article: Lasse Björn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.svt.se/sport/ishockey/lasse-bjorn-ar-dod-blev-92-ar
Credits:

• Nominated by Flibirigit (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Marbe166 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Olympic ice hockey and Ice Hockey World Championship medallist. Article is a bit short and could be expanded, but everything is cited. Flibirigit (talk) 14:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Looks good. TwistedAxe [contact] 21:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Article is well sourced, but I feel that the career section is a bit short, making the article borderline stubbish. Wondering what others think. Support Article has been expanded a bit. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• I've done a bit of expansion. Anyone else is welcome to help. Flibirigit (talk) 14:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
• Updated article title as per page move. His common name is "Lasse Björn". Flibirigit (talk) 17:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 01:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

National Public Data breach

Article: National Public Data (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Data brokering service National Public Data suffers a breach of 2.7 billion records, potentially including the Social Security numbers of every living American. (Post)
News source(s): (CBS News)
Credits:

• Nominated by GeorgeMemulous (talk · give credit)
• Created by Noleander (talk · give credit)

Data breach potentially containing the Social Security number of every living American. Breach occurred last April, but now a lawsuit's being filed and it's receiving widespread coverage. Article needs work. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose If the breach occurred last April, it is too stale to be presented as news in ITN, and the lawsuit isn't that newsworthy if the breach itself went under the radar at first. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Article is not nearly ready, and the item is stale to begin with. Estreyeria (talk) 14:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose and close immediately — Troy Hunt has written a post about this data breach. The data present has not been confirmed for accuracy and is unlikely to be. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose besides the stake Ness and quality issues, data breaches are far too common nowadays to make this anything but routine. Also, importantly, this us only a claim from the lawsuit, nothing has been affirmed here. The signs are likely that it's true but we have no confirmation yet. Masem (t) 14:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment The agency has confirmed the breech but keep in mind, this is 2.9 billion records which is not yet known how many people that actually is, since there can be multiple records per person. Further, the article itself is still far too short for quality purposes. --Masem (t) 11:51, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment - precedent has shown that stories that technically occurred a while back can still be posted if it only entered into the news discourse recently. Anyway, weak oppose, per ElijahPepe. — Knightoftheswords 14:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose As per above, the breach is a claim from a lawsuit, and does not seem to be definitively confirmed. Gödel2200 (talk) 18:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support if confirmed. This is a *huge* data breach, and its purported occurrence only recently came to light, assuming the charges made in the lawsuit are correct. Kurtis ^(talk) 00:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose notability since not confirmed Iff it's confirmed, take this to be a support on notability. Sure, large data breaches are common, but so are national elections, sports championships, and any of a half-dozen other things listed at ITNR. That shouldn't preclude something from being posted. The impact would be wide-reaching, and thus worth posting. For now, though, the accuracy is not certain nor the source. And don't even get me started on the article quality. Sincerely, Dilettante 03:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment The breach has been confirmed by National Public Data. The leaked information is confirmed to include "name, email address, phone number, social security number, and mailing address(es)", but the scale of the breach (i.e. the figure of 2.7-2.9 billion) has not yet been specified or acknowledged. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment The article is a stub and as long as it stays like that, it could not possibly be posted. Schwede66 08:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, once the article is properly expanded. A major event, and it is in the news now. Nsk92 (talk) 14:37, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Aricle size currently at 1400 B (223 words) readable prose.—Bagumba (talk) 10:04, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - doesn't even mention which nation! Nfitz (talk) 22:10, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

August 14

Portal:Current events/2024 August 14

August 14, 2024 (2024-08-14) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine 2024 Kursk offensive Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says that Ukrainian forces have captured more than 100 Russian soldiers in the last 24 hours during their offensive in Kursk Oblast. Zelenskyy also says that he is open to exchanging the prisoners for Ukrainian prisoners of war. (BBC News) Ukraine announces that it will create a strategic buffer zone on the Russia–Ukraine border that is "designed to protect our border communities from daily enemy attacks". (Reuters) Russia evacuates thousands more civilians from borderlands in the Kursk Oblast amid deeper progression of the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the region. (Reuters) Ukrainian drones strike the Borisoglebsk air base in Voronezh Oblast, Russia, destroying several hangars. (Pravda) (The Washington Post) Israel–Hamas war Three-phase Israel–Hamas war ceasefire proposal Top Hamas official Osama Hamdan states that the organization is "losing faith" in the United States' role as mediator in Israel–Hamas ceasefire proposals due to the U.S. not applying pressure on Israel to act in good faith, and threatens to withdraw from future U.S.-mediated negotiations. (AP) Libyan crisis (2011–present) Libya's House of Representatives vote to end the term of the Tripoli-based government led by Abdul Hamid Dbeibeh, declaring the eastern-based cabinet as the legitimate government. (Anadolu Agency) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Tropical Storm Ernesto strengthens into a hurricane north of Puerto Rico. (NBC News) Health and environment African mpox epidemic The World Health Organization officially declares a new outbreak of mpox. The strain of this outbreak is different from the primary strain of the 2022–2023 mpox outbreak, which affected thirteen countries and resulted in at least 524 reported deaths, and the new strain is more lethal. (AP) Law and crime 2022 Nord Stream pipeline sabotage Germany issues its first arrest warrant related to the 2022 Nord Stream pipeline sabotage for a Ukrainian man who crossed the border from Poland into Ukraine before the arrest could be carried out. (AP) Illegal drug trade in the United States The United States Drug Enforcement Administration announces that it seized more than 2,300 lb (1,000 kg) of methamphetamines hidden in celery at a farmers market in Forest Park, Georgia, United States. A Mexican citizen was arrested in relation to the seizure. (AP) Organized crime in Sweden Sweden, Denmark, Norway, and Finland form an international police hub in Stockholm to prevent escalating Swedish gang activity and criminal networks from spreading to other Nordic countries. (Reuters) The Constitutional Court of Thailand dismisses Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin for illegally appointing a minister to his cabinet. (Reuters) Former President of Argentina Alberto Fernández is indicted on charges of making threats and causing bodily harm to former first lady Fabiola Yáñez. (Buenos Aires Herald) (Washington Post) Politics and elections 2024 Kiribati parliamentary election Kiribati citizens vote for the 45 members of the parliament. (AP) 2024 Liberal Democratic Party (Japan) presidential election Japan's Prime Minister and president of the ruling Liberal Democratic Party Fumio Kishida announces that he will not run in the party’s presidential election scheduled for late September, effectively stepping down from the premiership. (The Japan News) After more than a year of high-level investigation, the Vatican expels Luis Fernando Figari, the leader of the Peruvian society of apostolic life Sodalitium Christianae Vitae, for financial corruption and for downplaying allegations of sexual and psychological abuse. (AP)

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RD: Gena Rowlands

Article: Gena Rowlands (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Wrap
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Award winning American actress. Thriley (talk) 00:48, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality the entire filmography is currently unsourced. Estreyeria (talk) 14:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready yet. Filmography section has no sources, and the awards section has only one source. Flibirigit (talk) 16:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Regrettable oppose Filmography and awards section needs ref work. There's a few cn tags in the career section as well. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Raising at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red. Curbon7 (talk) 00:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose outstanding number of cn tags. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{ਗੱਲਬਾਤ} 14:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) WHO declares global health emergency over Mpox outbreak

Article: African mpox epidemic (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The World Health Organization declares the 2024 African mpox epidemic to be a global health emergency. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The World Health Organization declares the African mpox epidemic to be a global health emergency.
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Twistedaxe (talk · give credit)

Last time it was declared an emergency, it killed around 200 people. It seems to be alot more serious now, as death count has already risen to well above 500. TwistedAxe [contact] 17:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Wait there is no way that stub of an article is ready for an ITN item. Scu ba (talk) 18:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment - Literally one sentence, unfit for posting. Also, did we post monkeypox being designated as a global health emergency back in 2022? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Article is nowhere near ready for the main page. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 20:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose because the article needs expansion and more sources. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 03:22, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment — I expected that the WHO would declare the epidemic a global health emergency, but I have been tied up in the weeds of determining if this is a continuation of the epidemic two years ago, especially given the title change. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 21:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support The nominated article is mpox which is not a stub. The disease is endemic and has a long history but the latest announcement is a clear wakeup call to take this outbreak seriously. WHO is not helping matters by nerfing the name to the innocuous sounding mpox but what makes me sit up and take notice is that it is closely related to smallpox which was a global scourge. We do remember the recent global pandemic, right? That was given top billing at ITN for ages and so such topics are quite significant. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

  The specific threat is the African epidemic, as mpox has been around and waned and waxed for decades. That should be featured. Masem (t) 21:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

  Noting the existence of the other article 2024 mpox outbreak that appears to nearly completely overlap with it, but is much more developed. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:11, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

  The nominated article is now African mpox epidemic and has a banner calling for a title change. These new article(s) don't seem stable and I reckon that the main mpox article is best for this topic, as it has all the background. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, I was the one who requested the merge and the title change. Since the two articles have been merged, I don't see why stability would be an issue. The link in the blurb can be updated if the page is moved. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:15, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

  Comment - This epidemic primarily concerns Africa. Reported cases in the rest of the world have been steadily decreasing. This is not to throw Africa "under the bus" but Africa has certain conditions like: poor access to healthcare. The endemism of mpox in Africa. Which makes the epidemic noteworthy IN Africa as it is recurring.

  In the global perspective (non-endemic) the disease is spread through "mainly men who have sex with men and spread

  predominantly through sexual contact" rated moderate risk. Hardly pandemic material, yet... could change. Mikal N (talk) 22:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

  Incorrect - the 2022-2023 Clade II epidemic was spread mainly by sexual transmission. This is Clade I which seems to be more versatile and therefore more worrying. https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/how-scientists-are-racing-understand-new-mpox-strain-democratic-republic-congo Bob (talk) 19:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Mpox is gradually becoming more similar to smallpox. Count Iblis (talk) 23:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Support A big announcement, but the actual Mpox Outbreak page should be linked somewhere within the blurb itself Hungry403 (talk) 23:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Major development in public health. -TenorTwelve (talk) 03:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: Target article should be African mpox epidemic which is in need of expansion/quality improvement. Spencer^T•C 11:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support. I went ahead and changed the target article from mpox to African mpox epidemic and added a link to public health emergency of international concern in the blurbs. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 12:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Altblurb with the changes to the target page. Schwinnspeed (talk) 14:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb: It is starting to gain extensive coverage and significance. At the time of writing, Sweden has just reported its first case. Tofusaurus (talk) 17:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Qualified support. The article is relevant but quality is poor. The timeline is confusing. It's my bedtime otherwise I would contribute. Bob (talk) 19:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article quality now seems improved and this is highly notable. Flip^andFlopped ツ 20:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support—A global health emergency is a pretty major development. Here's hoping it doesn't balloon into something too much worse than it currently is. Kurtis ^(talk) 22:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 23:14, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Dismissal of Thai PM

Thavisin in 2023

Article: Srettha Thavisin (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Thailand's Constitutional Court dismisses Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin following an illegal cabinet appointment of a minister. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)

Tofusaurus (talk) 08:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• Maybe The event demonstrates that the PM is perhaps not the most powerful person in the government. CNN indicates that real power is held by "a small but powerful clique of military, royalist and business elites" which presumably means people like Thaksin Shinawatra. Anyway, this seems to be a trumped-up charge or show trial which we shouldn't endorse so directly. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

  Thailand is in a bit of a flux atm as a flawed democracy; the primary opposition repeatedly gets banned but reforms as a different party. The current government with PT-Military is essentially PT submitting to the elements of the military, such as Prayut Chan-o-cha. River10000 (talk) 12:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

  Srettha & Thaksin are allies. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Don't be mistaken, the removal of Thavisin is a great example of Court overreach in politics. This is the active removal of a head of government. River10000 (talk) 12:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Presumably if the president of the United States was dismissed by a court in that country, then it would be an ITN item. I don't see how this is any different, apart from the fact it relates to a different country. Chrisclear (talk) 13:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability. However, I would think that this event might reasonably have a standalone article, and I would prefer to link to such an article should on be made. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 14:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support as ITN/R - change of head of government. Natg 19 (talk) 16:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

  It becomes ITNR once his successor is known, but surely removal of head of government is notable in its own right if a successor is not chosen quickly. rawmustard (talk) 20:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Support The event is notable, and the article is well-sourced and of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 17:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Support a head of government got removed from office. This is notable enough for inclusion. Scu ba (talk) 18:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support because it's a change in head of government.

JohnAdams1800 (talk) 18:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Support The removal of Thailand’s PM is quite notable & the article’s quality is good enough to post. However, I’m not entirely satisfied w/the blurb’s wording since this seems to be politically motivated & the blurb’s wording doesn’t make that clear enough. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I was going to say this. Maybe add an allegedly? The CC is very obviously biased towards the conservative, royal elite. River10000 (talk) 20:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

That might work. However, reliable sources link this ruling to a ruling that happened 1 week ago that banned MFP politicians from politics, so it might be better to have an alt blurb that says:

Thailand's Constitutional Court dismisses Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin one week after a ruling dissolved the Move Forward Party and banned its executives from politics.

Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Or maybe a

Thailand's Constitutional Court removes Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, alleging illegal appointment of a cabinet member. River10000 (talk) 00:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

... reliable sources link this ruling to a ruling that happened 1 week ago ...: They are mentioned together in some sources, but do any of them say that the MFP being dissolved caused the PM's dismissal? —Bagumba (talk) 03:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

It's a slippery slope if we start using "allegedly" for court rulings. The ruling and their reasoning are fact, even if one argues its flawed (or if its eventually overturned or generally decried). —Bagumba (talk) 03:25, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Support on notability, removal of an active head of government by a court is very much notable. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 03:14, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment While the picture is good, the fact that the leader is standing in front of another country's national flag might be confusing for a reader looking at ITN at a glance. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 06:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

  Switched image to File:Srettha Thavisin at Pheu Thai Party headquarters,Bangkok, 7 September 2023.jpg from his bio's lead (hopefully there's not a major issue w/ him smiling more).—Bagumba (talk) 12:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

August 13

Portal:Current events/2024 August 13

August 13, 2024 (2024-08-13) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine 2024 Kursk offensive Ukraine says that its troops are still advancing in Kursk Oblast and now control 74 settlements inside Russia. The Russian Defence Ministry says that its forces are fighting the Ukrainians about 28 km (17 mi) from the border. (Reuters) Akhmat special forces commander Apti Alaudinov says that the Ukrainian advance into Kursk Oblast is currently stopped due to Russian counter-attacks. (Reuters) Israel–Hamas war United States support for Israel in the Israel–Hamas war The United States government approves $20 billion in weapon sales to Israel, including fifty F-15 fighter jets and advanced upgrade kits for Israel's existing F-15 jets. (AP) 2024 Iran–Israel conflict, Israel–Hezbollah conflict Two Hezbollah militants, three Lebanese civilians killed, 21 injured in Israeli airstrikes on Hezbollah targets in Baraachit, Tyre, Aabbassiyeh, Kfarkela, At Tiri and Marjayoun in southern Lebanon. Hezbollah launches rockets at Kfarchouba, Shebaa Farms, Shtula, Kiryat Shmona and Beit Hillel. (Al Jazeera) Israeli–Palestinian conflict Israeli crowds led by far-right security minister Itamar Ben-Gvir storm the Al-Aqsa Mosque and several villages in the West Bank on Tisha B'av. Israel Police officers reportedly offered protection to Israeli settlers, while the United States and the United Nations denounce the raids. (Al Jazeera) Yemeni civil war The Houthis storm the headquarters of the United Nation's Human Rights Office in Sanaa, Yemen, and detain Yemeni workers, and seize official documents. (The New Arab) (AP) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Schools are canceled in Puerto Rico as Tropical Storm Ernesto is expected to strengthen into a hurricane overnight. (USA Today) 2024 Attica wildfires At least one person is killed and dozens of others are injured in wildfires across Greece, with evacuations ordered for residents in at least one area near Athens. (CNN) (DW) 2024 Kiteezi landslide The death toll for the landslide in the Kiteezi Rubbish Dump in Kampala, Uganda, increases to 24. (DW) 2024 Sudan floods At least 68 people are killed in Sudan's worst flooding since 2019, impacting several internally displaced person camps amid the ongoing Sudanese civil war. (Reuters) Law and crime Human rights in Austria, 2024 Vienna terrorism plot Austrian Chancellor Karl Nehammer announces a package of new anti-terrorism measures, including granting Austrian security services the ability to monitor private communications sent on messaging and social media apps and decrypt encrypted messages, and restricting the right to assembly of groups declared "hostile to democracy". (Reuters) Politics and elections 2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident Thousands of doctors and university students participate in walkouts and protests against sexual violence in cities across India after the alleged rape and murder of a female medical trainee in Kolkata last week. (DW) Science and technology Ford and Mazda issue warnings to owners of over 475,000 vehicles with Takata airbag inflators, cautioning them of the possibility for the inflators to explode with metal shrapnel. (AP)

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(Posted) RD: Dan Dorazio

Article: Dan Dorazio (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dignity Memorial, SI, MooseJawToday
Credits:

• Nominated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Cmm3 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:15, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks in a good shape to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{ਗੱਲਬਾਤ} 14:58, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 22:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Wally Amos

Article: Wally Amos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by GA-RT-22 (talk · give credit)

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Founder of Famous Amos cookie company. Host of the PBS television show Learn to Read. Thriley (talk) 19:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• Unreferenced date of birth. Schwede66 23:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Citation issues appear to have been fixed. Thriley (talk) 10:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support No major quality issues to note. Article appears to be fine for RD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:01, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Where exactly does reference 1 confirm his date of birth? I cannot see it. Schwede66 23:47, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

  I have switched to a later version of the same REF there, but archived earlier today. The previous version (archived on the 14th) did not have the DoB and ended with "A fully obituary will follow." The DoB is there now. --PFHLai (talk) 19:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Support nothing major holding the article back. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{ਗੱਲਬਾਤ} 14:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 19:33, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Richard Alatorre

Article: Richard Alatorre (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:B9C1:EAA6:9B64:55C7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by OCNative (talk · give credit), Hirolovesswords (talk · give credit) and Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Former Los Angeles councilman. 240F:7A:6253:1:B9C1:EAA6:9B64:55C7 (talk)

• Unreferenced date of birth, and place of birth. Schwede66 23:41, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Previously mentioned reference issues have been patched. @Schwede66:, I do recommend taking a second look at this article, as I support it as being ready for RD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:05, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

  I note two things: the citation needed tag within the article remains, and I cannot see where the source you added confirms that he was born on May 15. Schwede66 23:44, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

• Almost ready just a couple to issue with Personal life and death section needs to be resolved. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{ਗੱਲਬਾਤ} 15:00, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support The article has enough details & references now. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:23, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

August 12

Portal:Current events/2024 August 12

August 12, 2024 (2024-08-12) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine 2024 Kursk offensive Acting Governor of Kursk Oblast Alexei Smirnov accuses the Ukrainian military of using chemical weapons that poisoned Russian civilians. Ukraine's State Security Service denies these claims and accuses Russia of falsifying war crimes. (Newsweek) (Reuters) Ukrainian colonel general Oleksandr Syrskyi announces that Ukrainian forces now control over 1,000 km2 (386 sq mi) of Russia's Kursk region. (AP) Eastern Ukraine campaign Russian forces take the settlement of Lysychne in Donetsk Oblast. (Reuters) 2024 Iran–Israel conflict, Israel–Hezbollah conflict Assassination of Ismail Haniyeh United States Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin orders the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier strike group and the USS Georgia SSGN cruise-missile submarine to the Middle East to defend Israel from possible retaliation from Iran and to strengthen the U.S. military position in the region. (Al Jazeera) Hezbollah fires 30 Katyusha rockets targeting the IDF 146th Division headquarters in Ga'aton and an IDF surveillance station in Metula. An Israeli Iron Dome interceptor missile destroys an Avdon residence. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hamas war Third Battle of Khan Yunis Ten Palestinians are killed in an Israeli airstrike on a residential home in Khan Younis in the Gaza Strip. (Anadolu Ajansı) Arts and culture Damage of landmarks from climate change The Double Arch, a natural arch made of 190 million-year-old rock in the Glen Canyon National Recreation Area, collapses, possibly due to changing water levels and erosion. (NPR) Business and economy Chevron Corporation delivers the first oil from a Gulf of Mexico oil field, drilled under extreme subsea pressure. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents One person is killed and several others are injured when a helicopter stolen from Cairns Airport crashes into a hotel in Cairns, Queensland, Australia. (The Guardian) One person is killed and 132 others are injured after a magnitude 5.0 earthquake strikes Salamiyah, Homs Governorate, Syria. (Maspero) (Enab Baladi) Law and crime United States support for Israel in the Israel–Hamas war The Council on American–Islamic Relations files a lawsuit against the United States government and the FBI over alleged anti-Palestinian discrimination against two Palestinian Americans for placing them on a watch list despite having no violent crime convictions. (Reuters) Pakistan Army officials arrest former Director-General of the Inter-Services Intelligence Faiz Hameed, accusing him of abusing his position of power and raiding a business last year. (DW) A teenager stabs five people at a mosque in Eskişehir, Turkey. (CBS News) Politics and elections 2024 United States presidential election, Twitter under Elon Musk Former president and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump comes back to X (formerly Twitter) for a two-hour interview with its owner Elon Musk, mainly focusing on Trump's 2024 presidential re-election campaign. (Reuters). Special Region of Jakarta Act The first Cabinet of Indonesia meeting session in Nusantara is held, marking the beginning of the transition of the official capital away from Jakarta. (Detik) Iranian Vice President Mohammad Javad Zarif resigns after 11 days in office, citing disappointment with his progress and the new Cabinet. (DW) Science and technology Water on Mars Liquid water is confirmed to be present at depths of 10–20 km (6.2–12.4 mi) below the surface of Mars, based on a new analysis of data from NASA's InSight lander. (BBC News)

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(Posted) RD: Christof Nel

Article: Christof Nel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDR
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Created by LouisAlain (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Stage director of drama and especially opera at major houses in Germany, influential teacher in his last years. - Another article remembered from DYK 2019, but many refs needed to be replaced. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Support looks well-cited and ready to go. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 15:41, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

• Unreferenced date of birth and place of birth. Schwede66 02:44, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

  Fixed. (Sorry, when I inserted the ref for his parents, I forgot to repeat the one good for the whole section for DOB and POB.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Good quality. Greetings to User:LouisAlain. Grimes2 (talk) 07:03, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 07:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Timothy Dudley-Smith

Article: Timothy Dudley-Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Christianity Today BBC
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by HistoryTheorist (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Article is short but in good shape. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 22:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Support if the selected works can serve as citations for themselves. Bremps... 06:21, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I'll try to find ISBNs tonight. Thanks for pointing it out! ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 17:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bremps  Done all isbns added. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 00:34, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Reservations gone, support. Bremps... 00:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Liquid water on Mars

Article: Water on Mars (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Analysis of data from the InSight Mars mission indicates the presence of underground liquid water on Mars. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, PNAS
Credits:

• Nominated by GeorgeMemulous (talk · give credit)

Article needs to be updated (currently only a one line update exists) but the topic is receiving significant news coverage. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 01:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support once the article has been sufficiently expanded. Important milestone. Yakikaki (talk) 07:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
• Needs work The article currently starts "Almost all water on Mars today exists as polar permafrost ice..." and continues in that vein. If this new analysis indicates that there are substantial underground seas of liquid water then the article will need completely rebalancing to account for this. An isolated update is not enough. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
• Opppose on quality concerns, the lead needs a lot of work, I had to search the article to find the story here. Also, possible sustained oppose because it appears this was known in 2018 from the Mars Express mission. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Given the chronology of discoveries of water on Mars dating back to the 1970s, what makes this discovery of water on Mars different? If that difference is significant, it should be in the blurb. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 15:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

  Money pull quote from the Beeb article: While there is water frozen at the Martian poles and evidence of vapour in the atmosphere, this is the first time liquid water has been found on the planet. I agree quite a bit that "science news" often does a poor job of immediately telling people the most important thing(s) up front: "don't bury the lede" is a tenet of good journalism. (One contributing factor: the people writing and editing the coverage, often have little to no expert scientific background, and often struggle to understand themselves the things they are attempting to tell people about, which often are communicated in the house jargon of scientific journals etc. Sure, you could contact professional scientists to seek explanation (who mostly have day jobs and do such things, when they do, as an unpaid volunteer service on top of that) but, there's that deadline and your boss has been breathing down your neck lately to get those viewership metrics up. Gotta get those social media "shares" before competitors beat you.) Blurb suggestion: Analysis… indicates the presence on Mars of underground liquid water. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

• Agree in principle if a main target can be improved. Maybe InSight? This is evidence of present-day liquid water underground in the Martian crust. Existence of (lots of) liquid water long ago in Mars's past has been accepted for some time, and solid water ice and gaseous water vapor are known to exist, but liquid water at Mars's surface beyond tiny transient amounts is presumed impossible today because of Mars's low atmospheric pressure. (See phase diagram. Familiar with how a pressure cooker works? Now think about how freeze drying works—which is accomplished by going the other direction and lowering ambient pressure to near-zero.) Scientists have been interested in answers to what happened to all that water. And it looks like at least some is still there deep underground, where it's under enough pressure to stay liquid. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
• Opppose Call me when you can fill a glass. None of this "traces of" or long-ago stuff. CoatCheck (talk) 00:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

  Support Ring ring. It's here right now and there's a lot of it. Bremps... 03:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

  From that CNN article: "Banerdt, who was not involved in the research, said that while the interpretation of the data presented in the paper is strongly supported with good arguments, he also believes it is still somewhat speculative and that there is almost always another way to explain any given set of data.", a far cry short of these "scientists have found ___" pronouncements. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. This is a single paper, and the BBC article makes claims that the scientific paper does not -- BBC: "Scientists have discovered a reservoir of liquid water on Mars - deep in the rocky outer crust of the planet. -- paper: "A mid-crust composed of fractured igneous rocks saturated with liquid water best explains the existing data." This is fairly irresponsible journalism. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:45, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose per 35.139.154.158. This is still a pretty tentative discovery. Additionally, it isn't even the first potential detection of large reservoirs of liquid water on Mars—see Subglacial lakes on Mars. I am only marking this as a weak oppose as this is an in situ detection from the InSight lander, which may be ITN-worthy; I would personally say it still isn't. ArkHyena (talk) 04:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per 35.139.154.158. I'd totally support putting this on the front page if it was a more substantiated claim (and if the article was in shape, which it's not). Estreyeria (talk) 13:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose a problem for astronomy is that standard news outlet aimed for the general public just love to jump to conclusions. Fact is, the lander found some data, and someone wrote a paper saying that underground water may be an explanation for that data. There's still a huge distance from that to actually confirming such water. Scientists should formulate alternative explanations for the data, and all explanations should be tested further (or get updated if further data is obtained). Cambalachero (talk) 16:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose A few things: 1) the article itself is mostly about the historical context behind the present lack of water on mars- there is one sentence about the current update buried deep in the lead 2) The media's interpretation of the scientific paper is a stretch and still a little speculative. Schwinnspeed (talk) 14:54, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Rachael Lillis

Article: Rachael Lillis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes, Anime News Network
Credits:

• Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Blaylockjam10 (talk · give credit)

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Voice actress, known for voicing the English voices of Misty and Jessie from Pokemon. Died on August 10 but was only reported on this date. Tofusaurus (talk) 16:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

• Opppose Not enough substance. Estreyeria (talk) 19:11, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
• Picture Looks fine and there's plenty of coverage in mainstream sources such as the BBC. We have a good picture and so should use it to replace the aircraft picture which has been used for several days now. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
• Currently there's a citation-needed and several uncited roles. I hope these can be cleaned up so that this can be RD'd. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Too little words/prose in the article for this to be on RD. Much of the length of the article consists of tables upon tables. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
• To stubby with only 198 words of prose. Need to expand, but time is running out. --PFHLai (talk) 21:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@PFHLai: I expanded the article. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @Blaylockjam10, for expanding the stubby wikibio to start-class. However, there are still quite a few roles listed in the filmography table that need sourcing. And there are zero support !votes here on ITN/C for this nom. I can check back in a few hours.... --PFHLai (talk) 02:13, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Richard Lugner

Article: Richard Lugner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Euronews, Barron's, Der Spiegel, Berliner Morgenpost, Tagesschau
Credits:

• Nominated by Celjski Grad (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Ruedi B (talk · give credit)

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Austrian construction titan, politician, and Viennese society figure. Celjski Grad (talk) 13:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Article structure seems okay to me. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 14:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
• Currently orange-tagged for having a {lead too short}. --PFHLai (talk) 23:57, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
  • There are also a number of {cn} tags in the table in the Vienna Opera Ball section. --PFHLai (talk) 21:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

August 11

Portal:Current events/2024 August 11

August 11, 2024 (2024-08-11) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Islamic State–Taliban conflict 2024 Kabul bus bombing At least one person is killed and eleven others are injured in an Islamic State minibus bombing in Dasht-e-Barchi, Kabul, Afghanistan. (DW) Russian invasion of Ukraine Kyiv strikes Two people, including a 4-year-old child, are killed and three others are injured in a Russian KN-23 ballistic missile attack in Kyiv, Ukraine. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024 Kiteezi landslide The death toll from a landslide at the Kiteezi Rubbish Dump in Kampala, Uganda, increases to 21. (Reuters) Two people are killed and twelve families are displaced in an explosion possibly attributed to a gas leak in Bel Air, Maryland, United States. (AP) International relations Iran–European Union relations In a phone call with European Council President Charles Michel, Iranian president Masoud Pezeshkian accuses the European Union of facilitating Israeli crimes against humanity and terrorism in the Gaza Strip by implementing double standards that destabilize the Middle East and increase the chances of a global war. (Al Jazeera) Politics and elections 2024 Rwandan general election Incumbent president Paul Kagame is sworn in for a fourth term in office. (Reuters) Sports 2024 Summer Olympics The 2024 Summer Olympics conclude with the closing ceremony taking place at the Stade de France in Paris, France. (BBC News) The United States finish atop the medal table with 40 gold medals and 126 total medals, ahead of China who finished with 40 gold medals and 91 total medals, with silver medals being the tiebreaker. (BBC News)

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RD: Daniela Larreal

Article: Daniela Larreal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Diario Las Américas
Credits:

• Nominated by NoonIcarus (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Venezuelan track cyclist NoonIcarus (talk) 21:14, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Not enough prose to warrant being on RD. Changes must be added to the total word count, as it currently consists of one or two paragraphs of writing. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 22:00, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Elizabeth A. R. Brown

Article: Elizabeth A. R. Brown (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Legacy.com
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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American medievalist. Thriley (talk) 22:08, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Article needs expansion as it is still a stub. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 09:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Only 227 words of prose. Anymore to write about her, please? --PFHLai (talk) 23:41, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Noël Treanor

Article: Noël Treanor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Irish Times
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:2942:2E99:912C:AA25 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and Rutsq (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Irish Roman Catholic prelate. 240F:7A:6253:1:2942:2E99:912C:AA25 (talk) 17:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Support Minor tone issues but honestly nothing to fuss about. Bremps... 02:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Posted—Bagumba (talk) 04:05, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Olympics

Article: 2024 Summer Olympics closing ceremony (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 2024 Summer Olympics ends with the closing ceremony. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The 2024 Summer Olympics closes, with the United States winning the most medals.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The 2024 Summer Olympics conclude in Paris, France.
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Sportsnut24 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Starts in under 5.5 hours, but just thought to put it here for discussion so it can be live as it is ongoing.Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:33, 11 August 2024 (UTC) }}

• Oppose The article for the closing ceremony has major sourcing issues. When the ceremony happens, the article will also need expansion. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:38, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I am just cleaning up the sourcing precisely for these objections. Only women's basketball left, but will find som more prose. Obviously in preparations since we can't know everything exactly.Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:50, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I have just added some prose to the events itself. Few sentences should be the mimumum required.Sportsnut24 (talk) 14:00, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! The sections for foreign dignitaries and commentators being mostly uncited was one of the reasons the opening ceremony didn't get posted, so hopefully that will not also be the case here (as more gets added to the article). Gödel2200 (talk) 14:08, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

A few sentences of text followed by endless incomplete or improperly sourced lists is not enough to meet WP:ITNQUALITY and is a clear violation of MOS:PROSE. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:52, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

This is true, but the ceremony hasn't happened yet, so it is no surprise the article has not been expanded. Gödel2200 (talk) 16:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

How is the official source improper? There are several prose sentences of the event.Sportsnut24 (talk) 19:31, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Strong oppose altblurb the Olympics medal tally is measured by the number of gold medals, with silver and bronze only used in tie-breakers. It is technically correct to state that the US won the most medals, but the usage of this implies that the US 'won' the Olympics, which they didn't (China did) and might be a breach of NPOV. The prose issues brought up by @Joseph2302 (pinging for courtesy) look like they've been fixed, although article might need some more sources. In this case I'm leaning support. Also the closing ceremony just wrapped up, so pull from ongoing. Aydoh8^[contribs] 22:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Officially, isn't the rule if golds are tied, then most silver medals declares the "winner"? But, I don't think I've seen anything saying China "won." I've seen "tied" used, but nothing else outside of that. TheCorriynial (talk) 22:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

D'oh. Didn't realise they were tied on golds (I thought China was still ahead). Thank you for reminding me, I've just updated my vote. Aydoh8^[contribs] 22:31, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

• oppose altblurb When have we previously posted which country "won"? Seems a tie. 2607:9880:2D28:108:30F3:78D1:5BE5:F230 (talk) 22:59, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

silly to mention that nonsense. the NEWS is the closingSportsnut24 (talk) 23:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

• Remove the Olympics from the Ongoing events. It is Finished. 24.253.86.254 (talk) 01:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

It would seem to make sense that until we have a blurb up on the closing, keeping the ongoing for 24-48 hrs for ppl coming late to see the final results would be reasonable. But after 48hr, yes, its definitely should be removed. — Masem (t) 02:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I agree, Support but remove after 48h PrecariousWorlds (talk) 05:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

It's been removed. Stephen 03:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose It makes more sense to just pull the Olympics from ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

The closing ceremony is listed in ITN/R so the only concern is the quality. Also, it's been pulled already. 82.193.210.78 (talk) 19:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as the closing ceremony article is a sloppy mix of plans, predictions and actual outcomes. Just leave the Ongoing entry up for a day and then it's done. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment - the closing ceremony of the Summer Olympics (and their winter components for that matter) are WP:INTR per Wikipedia:In the news/Recurring items#Multi-sport events. If you have an issue with that, take it to the talk page, not here. — Knightoftheswords 13:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't think anyone is opposed to the ITNR nature of this, but that the current article is of very low quality that pits not in a condition to post, which is a requirement ITNR or not. Masem (t) 18:30, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson, MtPenguinMonster, and DecafPotato: would beg to differ — Knightoftheswords 12:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

The article currently seems to finish in mid-air with a half-baked section called "Victory Ceremony". It's puzzling... Andrew🐉(talk) 13:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson: I've significantly expanded that section with a paragraph of prose. Do you think it would be good now? DecafPotato (talk) 19:50, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I got the gist of it but it seemed to need copy-editing so I reworked it. It's still rather puzzling as there's a claim that this was "gender parity" but only the women got special attention. That's not what parity means. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

To clarify, the Paris Olympics were the first Olympics with gender parity (i.e. an equal number of male and female athletes), and so the organizing committee highlighted the women's marathon winner instead of the traditional men's marathon winner to celebrate how far women's sports have come. DecafPotato (talk) 08:15, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

The Tokyo Olympics had parity with both the men and women's winners featured in the closing ceremony. This time, they featured only women even though most of the men in the event ran faster than the winning woman (67 men ran faster than 2:22:55). That's gender bias not gender parity. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment – Why don't we just bold the Summer Olympics article instead of that of the closing ceremony? It's what most readers are looking for and is of a much higher quality. DecafPotato (talk) 19:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

  The main Summer Olympics article itself has already been 'featured' on ITN on the Ongoing events line for about two weeks. There would need some significant consensus to move that back to a blurb that could possibly last on ITN another week, given the amount of updates (or relative lack thereof) since it was removed from Ongoing. Zzyzx11 (talk) 13:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I've re-opened the nomination for the following two reasons. Firstly, the opposition is mostly on quality grounds. Secondly, this isn't stale as the oldest blurb documents a story from 1 August 2024.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready I've changed the headings to sentence case but someone else will have to provide referencing for the anthems. Schwede66 23:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

August 10

Portal:Current events/2024 August 10

August 10, 2024 (2024-08-10) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine 2024 Kursk offensive Russia introduces a "counter-terrorist regime" in Belgorod, Bryansk, and Kursk Oblasts in response to the ongoing incursion, resulting in travel restrictions and an increased security presence. (Novinite) (Ukrainska Pravda) The state-run Russian news agency TASS reports that over 76,000 residents have evacuated from Kursk Oblast this week. (DW) Ukrainian forces enter Belgorod Oblast for the first time during the ongoing incursion, reportedly capturing the village of Poroz. (Kyiv Independent) The Ukrainian Navy strikes and heavily damages a Russian offshore natural gas platform in the Black Sea being used by the Russian Armed Forces. (Reuters) Belarusian involvement in the Russian invasion of Ukraine President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko increases Belarus's defensive presence on the Belarus–Ukraine border after accusing Ukraine of illegally sending about a dozen intercepted drones across the border into Belarusian airspace. (RFE/RL) Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure One worker is killed and several others are injured in a Russian missile strike on a "critical infrastructure facility" in Kramatorsk. (Ukrainska Pravda) Israel–Hamas war Al-Tabaeen school attack Israeli rockets strike Al-Tabaeen school in Gaza City during Fajr morning prayers, killing more than 93 Palestinians and injuring 47 others, several of whom were trapped in the building as it was damaged by a fire. (Al Jazeera) (Times of Israel) Rohingya conflict Over seventy people are killed in an Arakan Army drone attack on Rohingya people fleeing Myanmar. (Reuters) Arts and culture Russian invasion of Ukraine Religion and the Russian invasion of Ukraine President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy announces governmental deliberations toward banning a traditionally Russia-linked branch of the Orthodox Church in Ukraine in order to strengthen the country's "spiritual independence". (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024 Kiteezi landslide Eighteen people are killed and fourteen others are rescued after a landslide at Kiteezi Landfill, a rubbish dump in Kampala, Uganda. (Al Jazeera) Politics and elections 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement Non-cooperation movement Chief Justice of Bangladesh Obaidul Hassan resigns following an ultimatum from protesters and is briefly succeeded by Md. Ashfaqul Islam on an acting basis. Syed Refat Ahmed is later appointed Chief Justice by President Mohammed Shahabuddin. (AP) (Dhaka Tribune) (Prothom Alo English) 2024 United States presidential election Donald Trump 2024 presidential campaign Officials of the Donald Trump campaign report that it was hacked by anonymous sources, with the campaign formally blaming "foreign sources", specifically claiming that Iran was behind the hacking. (WNBC-TV) 2024 United Kingdom riots Thousands of anti-racism protesters march in cities across the United Kingdom to protest against far-right riots, political figures, and the Reform UK party. (DW) A petrol bomb is thrown towards an Islamic centre in Newtownards, County Down, Northern Ireland. (BBC) 2024 Serbian environmental protests Tens of thousands of environmentalist and anti-Aleksandar Vučić protesters demonstrate in Belgrade, Serbia, to protest a European Union–backed plan to develop Europe's largest lithium mine in the Jadar valley. (AP) Sports 2024 Summer Olympics Albania at the 2024 Summer Olympics Chermen Valiev wins a bronze medal in Men's freestyle 74 kg wrestling, earning Albania its first ever Olympic medal. (KOHA) Breaking at the 2024 Summer Olympics In the first-ever men's breakdancing event at the Olympics, Philip "Phil Wizard" Kim of Canada wins the B-Boys gold medal, with Danis "Dany Dann" Civil of France winning the silver and Victor Montalvo of the United States winning the bronze. (CBC News) Concerns and controversies at the 2024 Summer Olympics Three swimmers for Germany fall ill with vomiting and diarrhea and require outpatient treatment after swimming in the Seine as part of Olympic competitions. (AP) Japan at the 2024 Summer Olympics Rikuto Tamai of Japan wins a silver medal in Men's 10 metre platform diving, earning the country its first ever Olympic medal in the sport. (Reuters) Uzbekistan at the 2024 Summer Olympics Svetlana Osipova of Uzbekistan wins a silver medal in taekwondo the first ever Olympic medal obtained by a Uzbek female athlete in the sport. (Kun.uz)

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(Posted) RD: Celestina Casapietra

Article: Celestina Casapietra (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Berliner Zeitung
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Created by LouisAlain (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Italian soprano who was "married" to the Berlin State Opera from 1965 to 1993, leading roles, also in Europe. - I knew the article from DYK days in 2019, but it's better now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article quality is good, Berliner Zeitung is reliable. A prominent soprano in the GDR. Grimes2 (talk) 16:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 04:26, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Tuíre Kayapó

Article: Tuíre Kayapó (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Globo article, Tribute from government website
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Brazilian indigenous activist and leader. ForsythiaJo (talk) 01:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Support Article quality is up to par. Bremps... 02:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Support what Bremps said --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Issue There is a source WP:INTEGRITY issue in the article, as the source next to her death does not cover her actual death. Also, the article says she died at 54, while a later citation from G1 says 57.[40] Her birth year might also need updating.—Bagumba (talk) 03:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I've added a footnote about the uncertainty of her age at death/year of birth - thank you for bringing this discrepancy up! ForsythiaJo (talk) 18:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Support issue was addressed; article ready. Flip^andFlopped ツ 20:09, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted – Schwede66 23:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

August 9

Portal:Current events/2024 August 9
Portal:Current events/2024 August 9

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(Posted) RD: Kasper König

Template:ITN candidate Influential for modern art as curator, publisher, professor, museum director. There was a minimal article. He'd deserve more detail (which is in the sources), but time is running out. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• Conditional support Needs a reference for the full date of birth but otherwise, it looks ready. Schwede66 23:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

  I found a ref (dpa), added. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted – Schwede66 18:14, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ida Bagus Ardana

Template:ITN candidate Former bureaucrat and politician in Bali; found dead in his house under mysterious circumstances. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:05, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support looks alright and well-cited for ITN standards. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 20:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 01:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

(Closed; posted RD) RD: Susan Wojcicki

Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate Former CEO of Youtube. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 05:41, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Wait Article's in good shape. However, I want to see more reliable sources publish the news before we post.❤HistoryTheorist❤ 05:46, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Other publications are now reporting this as well. Natg 19 (talk) 06:17, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Alrighty. My search engine probably has not caught up. :) I support nomination now. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 06:21, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support ITN. I don't see why somebody who owned one the largest video broadcasting companies in the world for 10 years should not have at least an ITN Lukt64 (talk) 08:04, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

  A CEO of a company is not the owner. Celjski Grad (talk) 10:38, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD Article is of sufficient quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:12, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD Article is in good shape. Grimes2 (talk) 08:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD Worth mentioning and everyone is talking about it in Social Media, can't see why we cannot put a CEO's name who foresaw the globalisation of internet entertainment in the past couple of years .Fluddsskark (talk) 10:11, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support ITN/Blurb She was a very, very well known CEO of one of the biggest platforms in the world and sat in her position for the past 10 years. If the consensus is RD, consider this support RD. TwistedAxe [contact] 10:47, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD Her work does not really rise to the level of a blurb, but at least the article is well-cited. rawmustard (talk) 11:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted RD—Bagumba (talk) 14:39, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
• support blurb one of the biggest entrepreneurs of the digital era. if random cult following figures like pop stars (e.g. Prince) or actors (that black guy from the Black Panther the movie) deserve a mention, she does too. Especially since her death came in as a surprise (fairly young, has not revealed her disease before her death. Kasperquickly (talk) 17:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

  I mean that black guy from black panther was also one of the biggest Hollywood actors, though his notability for posting was iffy PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:09, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

  Jim Brown was transformational. How about Wojcicki? Recommending Google buy YouTube isn't that big a deal. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:07, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb Big name. Led massive growth in a company which now influences a billion human hours every day. Jiaminglimjm (talk) 19:12, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Picture Recent discussions on ITN's talk page show strong support for posting pictures for RDs and changing ITN's picture every day. The aircraft picture has been posted for over a day now and we have a good picture of this person so let's use it. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:45, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
• PP Support for RD respectfully oppose blurb. Notable? Certainly. On the same level as Warren Buffet, Elon Musk or Bill Gates? No. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:18, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb - not only did she have a substantial impact on YouTube, but she was an effective queenpin in Google for a decade and a half prior to becoming CEO. — Knightoftheswords 13:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb Notable but figuring out how to monetize humans staring at photons emitted from a substrate isn't exactly newsworthy. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

  Monetizing humans looking a photons from a substrate has been universally acknowledged as one of the most important events of the past half century. — Knightoftheswords 12:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

  Yea, but am I not allowed to be grumpy about it? Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:53, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

  That feels like a bit of a reach, and even if we believe this, does Wojcicki get outsized credit for the idea? DarkSide830 (talk) 19:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb did not have major world influence or importance. I would argue that most CEOs should not be blurbed, outside of newsworthy/major figures such as Steve Jobs, Warren Buffett, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, or Bill Gates. Natg 19 (talk) 20:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
• Neutral on blurb. Not like I would be torn up over running; to me it's sort of "close to the line" and could go either way really. To me the "transformational figure" thing ought to be something easy to quantify: did major news outlets in multiple countries regularly "hang on their every word" so to speak, and run stories solely about: "Person X said/did thing Y"? People mentioned like Gates and Warren easily qualify; looking to other shores, Jack Ma is one who comes to mind. It needs to be solely about quantifiable data that people broadly agree upon (a "consensus" of sorts you might say), not everyone's individual subjective judgments which will frequently differ. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb. Not a global household name. Sandstein 11:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Template:Abot

(Posted) RD: Steve Symms

Template:ITN candidate Former U.S. Senator from Idaho. Died yesterday, but death announced today. Article seems to be in pretty good shape. Curbon7 (talk) 00:34, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Almost Ready I would vote !support, but there is a statement in the article which I don't know needs citation or not (about Symms choosing not to run for re-election in 1992). I'd be safe and cite it, but overall the article looks pretty good and the lack of citation should not stop it from getting posted. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 00:46, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

  I've added a citation for it. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 16:27, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Election results section needs references. Spencer^T•C 11:26, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

  Template:Ping I've now added citations. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 16:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 23:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Voepass Linhas Aéreas Flight 2283

Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate Deadliest commercial aircraft accident of 2024. Picture is of aircraft operated by previous airline. Additional source for no survivors. RandomInfinity17 (talk - contributions) 18:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Support This is a very major incident. Stuart2202 (talk) 19:08, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Sad/Terrible news. The article structure looks fair enough. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 19:10, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Wait for article to develop further - it’s a bit short at the moment. Support on notability, though. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Decent sized air crash. Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:35, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Skyshiftertalk 19:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Major transportation related mass casualty event. We typically post this sort of thing. Article is no longer a stub and is well sourced. I expect it to expand as more information becomes available. Good to go. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. Sandstein 20:02, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  Template:Ping please, add Vinhedo. ArionStar (talk) 02:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

  I don't see a need to. Sandstein 08:03, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. The information in the article currently gives no indication of significance beyond a standard investigation. Airplane crashes have no inherent significance or notability, which seems to be the only argument that !support votes have offered. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:15, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

  Mass casualty events are considered to be standard thresh-hold for international news. Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:06, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

  Template:U Mass casualty events are routinely deleted at AfD and they don't automatically have lasting significance. This is just another ITNism made up by a group that has insulated itself from the community and pretends sitewide standards don't apply here. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:37, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

  citation needed. Its actually very hard to delete "news" articles despite the fact that WP:NOTNEWS exists. We should be far more discriminate about when we create articles (and thus feature in ITN) about such events, but we have a really bad problem that editors will rush to create an article about anything, and then when the suggestion of an AFD or merge comes up, too many fighting to keep it on claims that news coverage meets notability, despite that both the GNG and NEVENT caution about bursts of news coverage being used to define notability. Masem (t) 01:27, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

  This is definitely also true. But I've noticed that news type events from the 2000s and increasingly the 2010s are more readily deleted because at this point it's obvious that they were never notable in the first place. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

  Anyone who thinks this lacks notability is of course free to open a discussion at WP:AFD. I would however gently suggest taking a deep breath first, unless you are fond of seafood. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

• Post-Posting Support Per the lead of the article, this is the first deadly aviation accident in Brazil since 2011, and the deadliest in Brazil since 2007, which passes the bar for notability in my mind. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:11, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Template:Abot

RD: Kevin Sullivan (wrestler)

Template:ITN candidate American professional wrestler. 240F:7A:6253:1:BC2A:8EA5:908C:9F2A (talk) 15:47, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready for the usual reason. This one is in rough shape is going to need some work to get it up to scratch. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:30, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

August 8

Template:Cot Portal:Current events/2024 August 8 Template:Cob

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RD: Mitzi McCall

Template:ITN candidate American actress and comedian. 240F:7A:6253:1:300E:366:F55B:E06A (talk) 07:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Filmography needs references. Spencer^T•C 11:25, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Issa Hayatou

Template:ITN candidate Former president of CAF and former interim president of FIFA. 240F:7A:6253:1:1131:B696:A25D:A8D (talk) 06:41, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - Sports career and Administrative career sections are entirely uncited. The Kip ^(contribs) 07:38, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Chi-Chi Rodríguez

Template:ITN candidate Puerto Rican golfer. Staraction (talk | contribs) 04:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:59, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Kalatiku Paembonan

Template:ITN candidate Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Article structure seems okay to me. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 02:41, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support No major issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:01, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 14:41, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Jack Karlson

Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate The Succulent Chinese Meal man. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 12:44, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Strong oppose and suggest close, he doesn't have his own Wikipedia article. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 12:46, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Template:Ping There is precidence for this when we ran Barry Chuckle who also didn't have his own individual page. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 13:00, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Template:Tq This is not one of those cases since this is not a group like the other one was.

Noah, BSBA^Talk 13:20, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Support - the article is effectively about him since he's the central figure of the whole meme. Karlson's name is even bolded in in the article. — Knightoftheswords 14:52, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Per above, does not meet the criteria for WP:ITNRD. Estreyeria (talk) 15:00, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Support He is the entirety of what appears in the video. Celjski Grad (talk) 15:02, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Support Karlson is the central person of the topic. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 16:39, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose even taken into account that the central figure of the video is this person and that there us no standalone for him, the coverage of him in this article as a person is trivially short and indicates that he had little notability, the video itself was. Masem (t) 19:26, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Support Despite this individual not meeting the criteria set forth in WP:ITNRD does not mean his death cannot be mentioned. BLP protections apply to the page for which he’s mentioned in, and we should make consideration for slightly modifying the requirement mentioned above around “groups”, eg: “groups or cultural icons (memes)”. Hide the Pain Harold definitely needs a RD (when the time comes). Kcmastrpc (talk) 21:56, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

BLP applies everywhere, the protections are used on any page where BLP violations have occurred or likely to occur. Just being tagged with such protection doesn't make the page a BLP. — Masem (t) 23:00, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Support I think one of the main reasons RDs for members of groups is allowed is because the page for a group will most likely contain a fair deal of biographical information relating to the members of the group. The current article does contain a bit of biographical information, which I consider just barely enough to be posted. Gödel2200 (talk) 22:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose This is not a biography, and therefore it doesn't meet ITNRD. This article is about the video, not him. He is not sufficiently covered. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:39, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. We do not have a biographical article. While the subject who was the primary individual featured in the video did indeed die, but our criteria for recent deaths does not expand to this scope. The guidance permits that Template:Tq (emphasis mine), but we have no such biographical article for this individual. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 02:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Per most of the above. The article in question is mostly about the video and isn't a biography article. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 02:45, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Procedural oppose' per above but am not opposed to taking another look at the criteria This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Haven’t there been names run on RD who have been the subjects of “death of” or “killing of” articles? If that’s happened before, I don’t see any reason why Karlson shouldn’t run. Thriley (talk) 12:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  Comment Not to mention Jack Karlson exists as a redirect, but I guess that's not enough either? Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:34, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  The issue to me is that we have one paragraph of biographical material in this article. If that could be significantly expanded, that might be a reason, but his biography is basically a side note to the fame of the video. Masem (t) 13:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  We have sometimes made exceptions for persons who are exceptionally famous or infamous for a single thing, such as serial killers, where they are discussed at length in the article on their crimes. But I don't think this falls into that category. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:06, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  Well yes we can't compare serial killers to someone arrested for eating a meal (a Succulent Chinese Meal!). However, it is a video that has taken on a cultural life of its own, including in depth dives into Karlson's history and the fact that we have international coverage worldwide that doesn't happen for many internet memes indicates to me that this may be one of those exceptions of being famous for one thing. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:37, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per most of the above. Subject does not meet the customary criteria for RD, which usually requires a stand-alone article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Seems kind of bureaucratic to exclude based on the focus which is primarily concerning Karlson, the subject of the meme video, and contains biographical information about Karlson. -- GreenC 16:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support The subject has an obituary in The Times and it doesn't get any better than that. As he seems quite notable, I suppose that the main complication hitherto has been his multiple aliases but his death seems to have clarified that. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:19, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  As I said above, if there was more than a paragraph of actual bio info (hint: that obit can be used to fill in some more) then it would be reasonable to post. But right now, its still a tiny single paragraph within the entire article and includes an unsourced statement (plus the writing is extremely informal for an encyclopedic article). It could get there but the bio must be expanded. Masem (t) 17:41, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  If you said this above, then you're repeating yourself contrary to WP:BLUDGEON. Please don't horn in on other editors' !votes. "Democracy Manifest!". 20:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC) Andrew🐉(talk) 20:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  And I'm saying that if with this bios we can get that section past a single biographic paragraph, it may be reasonable to post for RD, but while it is only one paragraph and a missing source on a sentence, it fails the quality expectations for BLP articles to even be featured on the main page. Those that want to see it posted should take the time to work on that improvement. Masem (t) 20:34, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Obituaries from the BBC and The Guardian in addition to The Times. Thriley (talk) 20:14, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment WP:ITNRD reads: Template:Tq2—Bagumba (talk) 14:13, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Support Central figure within the article, still see content about this guy today Hungry403 (talk) 22:05, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment This is about to roll off so it should either be posted or closed. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose If a person doesn't have their own WP article, their death shouldn't be posted in ITNRD. TwistedAxe [contact] 16:21, 12 August 2024 (UTC) Template:Abot

(Posted) RD: Taberon Honie

Template:ITN candidate

• Utah executed him today. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 08:32, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support article looks well sourced, no outstanding maintenance tags. Aydoh8^[contribs] 00:33, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Looks good, no problems found. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 02:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 06:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

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RD: Patrice Laffont

Template:ITN candidate Varoon2542 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:29, 12 August, 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose due to article orange tag. Celjski Grad (talk) 09:32, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Banning of MFP

Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate

• This is an important development in the flawed democracy of Thailand, specifically with the banning of the party exec. from politics; he was arguably the most popular politician in Thailand. While the MFP will move to a new party, the lingering effect will stay. River10000 (talk) 19:15, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Support alt 3 Event is noteworthy, the official opposition party was banned, and this blurb is the best at describing it. Scu ba (talk) 23:17, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Support alt 3, definitely noteworthy and that is the most concise blurb. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:34, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose for ITN, though I will include it in 2024. This is not a change in head of state/government, as Pita Limjaroenrat was not the incumbent prime minister or a similar position. Party dissolutions are common in Thailand, and this doesn't have sufficient due weight for ITN. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 23:40, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Weak oppose I think from what I read and per JohnAdams, all that's happening is because the high court said that the party's stance against the lèse-majesté law (which violates criticism of the royal family) was unconstitutional and had to dissolve the party, but for all purposes, they're all just jumping over to a new party that does not have a stance on lèse-majesté. If anything, there would need to be more focus on this aspect around the lèse-majesté law issue, not just the simple disbanding of the party and reforming as something else. Further, it reads that this party already was born of the ashes from a previous party one or two years ago, so this is not uncommon. --Masem (t) 00:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment yeah, sure, but this is the main opposition party, technically the second largest party in the country, the only meaningful voice of discontent against the government, and they got banned for due to a rather unpopular law protecting the royals. Scu ba (talk) 00:59, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

And as they filter into the new party that is being formed in its wake, that will likely become the main opposition party. The story is really around the law and ruling from the supreme court, the effect of breaking up the party more the side result from that. Masem (t) 20:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support major domestic political development. We'd post it if the German CDU got banned for dubious reasons This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:56, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  Support too. This is major democratic backsliding and is as notable as a party winning an election, if not more.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 12:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose As others have said, this is not the first time a party dissolution has occured in Thailand, with the MFP being the successor of the Future Forward Party. This dissolution also bans the executives of the MFP from politics, but the article really does not explain if that will have a major impact on the effectiveness of the new party (People's Party). If information is added to the article that says that the banning of the politicians will significantly weaken the new party, then I will change to support. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - The main page is typically for very big events, such as electing a new government, or disasters. Impact seems to be mostly internal to Thailand. Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:57, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  Please see WP:ITNCDONT#2. Curbon7 (talk) 22:22, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose per Godel. Not the first time this has happened, and besides Pita's ban from politics, it seems there's not too major an impact - the party's members/infrastructure have already shifted to a new party. The Kip ^(contribs) 02:45, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Jon McBride

Template:ITN candidate

• NASA astronaut. One of the class of 1978 (the "Thirty-Five New Guys") hired to fly the Space Shuttle. Flew one Space Shuttle mission. Article is in poor shape, but should meet Masem's our minimum standards. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:59, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks good Scu ba (talk) 23:17, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. I hope Masem is okay with this. --PFHLai (talk) 19:40, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Battle of Tinzaouaten (2024)

Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate Though the attack occurred over a week ago, it has gained international attention after Mali cut ties with Ukraine for admitting, and then denying, involvement in an attack with high casualties. Also part of a trend of West African states pivoting towards Russia. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 12:26, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Would be part of the Ukraine ongoing, and considering what's already stale, the small update on cutting of ties is not significant enough. --Masem (t) 12:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. Estreyeria (talk) 13:01, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The battle itself is stale, and the cutting of diplomatic ties is not significant enough to post. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:48, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 14:48, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per above. Mellk (talk) 15:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per above

Personisinsterest (talk) 16:50, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

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2024 Kursk Offensive

Template:ITN candidate Yes this is an ongoing item, but this is all over the news, and is the first major Ukrainian offensive in over a year (we blurbed the last one too). It's a major event that I think is notable to post on its own PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:50, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Good faith nom. However, I respectfully disagree with the OP. There is no evidence of any really extraordinary military significance to this that would justify giving it a blurb when it's already covered in ongoing. Lots of stuff gets news coverage that we don't blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Wait The offensive is definitely significant compared to previous incursions into Russia, but the scale remains to be seen in full. Either way, this "man bites dog" story might be the most notable thing coming out of Ukraine in nearly a year, so not opposed to blurbing if it keeps gaining in scope. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:49, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose at this point. When we have broken ongoing conflicts to post a blurb, it is generally for a major result, not at the start of some shorter-term event. If Ukraine succeeds at this, that might be worth posting, but if its otherwise a wash, there's really no story then. --Masem (t) 22:52, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
• Wait per Chaotic Enby. On one hand feels like it's covered by ongoing, but on the other, the first significant ground operation by official Ukrainian forces in Russia proper might surpass that threshold. The Kip ^(contribs) 02:43, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Wait per Kip and Enby. This may drastically affect how the conflict goes, or may not be significant at all, hard to tell at the moment. Hungry403 (talk) 02:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Wait Being the first incursion into Russia by mostly Ukrainian regular forces seems to be notable, but the effects of it are still not fully clear. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:43, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Wait This is a significant escalation in the war, seeing as Ukraine hasn't gone into Russian territory before, but I would wait until a significant town/city is captured since so far it seems to be only minor border towns Dyaquna (talk) 22:52, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose Although one can see it is a major escalation of the war, this is still covered by ongoing. Editor 5426387 (talk) 00:50, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Doris Brougham

Template:ITN candidate Yes, article has an orange tag. Will try to resolve to get posted. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 02:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose with regret. The orange tag is still on there Template:Ping and there are too many unsourced claims in there. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 10:32, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

It's alright. I kind of forgot about the nomination myself and have become too busy to improve it. It's mostly awards and college degrees that are un-cited--stuff that could be easily removed. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 15:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

(Updated) Muhammad Yunus appointed as new interim leader

Template:ITN candidate Out with the old, in with the new. The current blurb about Sheik Hasina might be incorporated in this but the main thing is to report the new leader. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:31, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

• Just want to say that I fixed the title for you. You forgot to change it from the Hamas nom below lol. Support nom, new head of state being appointed after the ousting of the previous. TwistedAxe [contact] 09:47, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks for the assist. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:11, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:51, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support New leader of the eighth-most populous country in the world is significant and the article is of good quality. --Plumber (talk) 11:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality of Yunus' article (multiple unsourced paragraphs, and some of the sourcing in the criticism section is iffy for a BLP). When ready, that should be merged with the existing blurb, or at least replace it. --Masem (t) 12:01, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, oppose on quality per Masem: Yunus' article has uncited paragraphs and red links for nonexistent articles. These need to be addressed before posting. Blurb should also be merged with existing blurb. Tofusaurus (talk) 12:34, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

  @Tofusaurus, you might want to read WP:REDYES. Schwede66 04:09, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The article will need significant work before posting. On a side note, the article says he will officialy take office on 8 August, so we should wait to post until then. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:46, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article has sufficient due weight and quality for ITN. We regularly include changes in heads of state/government. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 15:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality of 2024 Bangladesh Interim Government article. Also there are 4 cn tags in the Muhammad Yunus article; he is not yet appointed it is "to be appointed". MAL MALDIVE (talk) 16:09, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
• Merge with the current blurb regarding the resignation of Sheikh Hasina, assuming article quality is adequate for the main page. Kurtis ^(talk) 19:48, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality - the Publications, Yunus Centre, and Documentaries sections of Yunus' article are mostly or entirely uncited. The interim government article is effectively a list at the moment. Once quality's addressed, merge to existing Bangladesh blurb. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support merge per Kurtis This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:50, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support merge as the simplest solution.-- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 12:09, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted as an update Stephen 01:01, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  Even with the quality issues that have been pointed out and not resolved? Masem (t) 01:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  What quality issues remain in the bolded article? Stephen 01:10, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  @Stephen the Publications section is still roughly half-uncited, and the Documentaries section is entirely uncited. The Kip ^(contribs) 01:12, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  It's all good. Stephen 01:33, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  There is also several unsourced statements earlier in the article as well as CNs (some might be new , but there were at least a couple when I made my comment from last night). Its not "good". Masem (t) 11:47, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

  It was good timing to get that done as the readership for the new leader has now surpassed that of the old. Looking at more coverage of his swearing-in, it's interesting that he's 84 -- even older than Biden. He was forced to retire as MD of the Grameen Bank on age grounds back in 2011 but you're never too old to be a national leader, it seems. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:12, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Yahya Sinwar appointed Hamas Chairman

Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate Support New Head of state, notable coverage in the media, currently relevant geopolitically Scu ba (talk) 22:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Strong oppose, Gaza is not a state but part of the Palestinian Territories, Hamas does govern Gaza partially, but it is ultimately a militant group. Not notable, covered by ongoing. Personisinsterest (talk) 00:52, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose We don't post this type of transitions in terrorist groups. --Masem (t) 01:07, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Personisinterest. The Palestinian Authority is the internationally-recognized government of Palestine (including Gaza), so this isn’t a change in the head of state/government - just that of a militant group that seized partial control of Palestine. The Kip ^(contribs) 01:14, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per Personisinterest. The Hamas Political Bureau is not the recognised government. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:36, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Masem. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:48, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose because Hamas is not a government, but a belligerent in an ongoing war. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 04:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

To play Devil's Advocate Hamas does organise a government that is the de facto ruling authority of parts of the Gaza Strip not occupied by Israel. However it can be mostly characterised as a militant terrorist group, and so I don't support blurbing this PrecariousWorlds (talk) 05:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per all above TwistedAxe [contact] 09:49, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: Hamas is only the government in Gaza, not the government of Palestine as a whole. Tofusaurus (talk) 12:30, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Billy Bean

Template:ITN candidate Not to be confused with Billy Beane. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:33, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Looks fine. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 21:54, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:52, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 04:29, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Connie Chiume

Template:ITN candidate South African actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:89E1:1A66:9443:4B37 (talk) 18:04, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for the usual reason of a mostly-uncited filmography. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:19, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Miguel Ángel Gómez Martínez

Template:ITN candidate Spanish conductor and composer who conducted from memory, holding leading positions in Europe (Vienna, Madrid, Valencia, Mannheim ...), and composed a Symphony in memory of the discovery of America. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:14, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

In this case updating meant pruning. The bulk of the article was added in one edit by an editor whose only edit that was: flowery language literally translated from Spanish, many references but many simply gone, and all (until he died) in Spanish with English titles and US dates ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 22:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) United States v. Google LLC (2020)

Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate This is one of my first in the news nominations, but I think this is something that should be discussed on the Main Page. I don't think the article is sufficiently updated at this time, but I do anticipate that it will be soon. Awesome Aasim 02:11, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose but only because we have no idea what the remedies are yet. If the court forces Alphabet to sell off Google, that might be somethiung, but if its just a multi-million dollar fine, that would be a slap on the wrist. — Masem (t) 02:39, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose because this lacks sufficient due weight for ITN, and is still playing out. Google will likely appeal the ruling, and the article needs more information.JohnAdams1800 (talk) 04:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose; this is still an ongoing event. While the ruling itself would be landmark and historical, it could still get overturned on appeal. We’d have to wait and see to make a final determination. Cheers! --WellThisIsTheReaper ^Grim 04:26, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose until there are consequences for Google, as per Masem. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:48, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as there are currently no consequences for Google. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:51, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

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(Closed) Stock market decline

Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate

• Oppose single day losses or gains aren't good ITN stories. If there was a week long trend of bad stock news, that might be sonething, but markets are always volitile and thus short term trends aren't really good for ITN. Masem (t) 18:53, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

I would argue this has been going on for several days, since the Department of Labor's report. The S&P 500 Index, for instance, has been falling. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Certainly made all markets voilitle but in the larger picture, just more wild swings and not massive corrections... Yet. Other pundants are saying this was expected for a long time due to lack of fed interest cut and the perception infinite growth could go on forever, so the market is now just correcting. Either way, we don't have a significant enough long term economic impact appropriate for ITN. Masem (t) 20:13, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support when article is improved. Economic news are underrepresented at ITN and this one is notable - global in nature, very much so in the news and historic as the largest one day loss. 2A02:8071:6362:54A0:549B:15AE:60C8:4E6 (talk) 18:58, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. This currently this doesn't have enough due weight for ITN. This is an ongoing event and may be mooted if the stock market recovers, or the sell-off could continue and become a bigger story to potentially merit ITN. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 18:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Hasn't been long enough to tell if this will mean anything yet. The article would need expansion anyway. Estreyeria (talk) 19:31, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment On Black Thursday, the decline was 11%. It closed high on Friday. The succeeding Monday and Tuesday had two more ~11% drops. Following that, much of the world plunged into a depression (I'm aware of the London crash and how reductive it is to claim the stock crash was the primary cause of the Depression; this is merely for comparison's sake). This is only one day, however, followed by an eerily similar good day. If the next two trading days have a comparable decline, I'll support. Sincerely, Dilettante 03:23, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose No evidence that this is more than your run of the mill market correction. We don't blurb that sort of thing even if it ends up foreshadowing a recession. The S&P 500's drop today was not even in the top twenty for one day declines. Japan's market drop is interesting but so far unclear what it's long term ramifications will be. And FWIW as of this comment the Nikkei Index is currently trading up around 10%. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:36, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The article has been nominated for deletion and the nominator's reason was Template:Tq. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 11:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The article is at Afd and the main impact of the event seems to be (as stated in the lead) the "heightening concerns of a recession" which I do not think is notable enough. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) Hasina resigns

Template:ITN candidate Major news.User:Rushtheeditor (talk) 09:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

• If this is posted, I think 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement should be mentioned in the blurb since the two are related. APK hi :-) (talk) 10:14, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

  Template:Ping I added a link to Non-cooperation movement (2024). Do you think that’s fine or would a link to 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement be better? Blaylockjam10 (talk) 10:27, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not sure which one would be better, but thank you for pointing out there is a more specific page. APK hi :-) (talk) 10:29, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

  The alt blurb that was just added works. APK hi :-) (talk) 10:42, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Prime minister fleeing country is big news, as were protests themselves. BilboBeggins (talk) 11:45, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Alt Blurb A very big international news. But yellow tag in the bold article needs to be resolved. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 11:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support The Prime Minister resigning and fleeing, IIRC to India, is major news. The ongoing protests were major, and she has been accused of authoritarianism. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 12:32, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Very big news for sure. Also the above article mentioned is better.Sportsnut24 (talk) 10:38, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support: major news Wiki N Islam (talk) 10:49, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Extremely significant development from the Bangladeshi protests. Tofusaurus (talk) 10:54, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support with alt-blurb. -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 10:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support here because I was surprised not to see it front page yet. Plutonium27 (talk) 11:40, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support per all MAL MALDIVE (talk) 11:43, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. The section involving her last term has nothing except one sentence update as to her leaving the office. While I know ther's a whole separate article on the events leading to this point, we need at least one good sized paragraph summary of why this went this way in the bio article. --Masem (t) 12:01, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
  • There has been some expansion, but there should be more as to what specific actions or inactions she did in the previous protests now linked there that caused the population to turn against her. — Masem (t) 18:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality The target should be Sheikh Hasina, as the article for the protests is well short of main page quality. However, the details of the last term on her page need to be updated Gödel2200 (talk) 12:10, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support with alt burb probably the biggest international news right now. Nomian (talk) 13:12, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Support because this is major news and alt blurb Sharier4 (talk) 13:31, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support with alt blurb Very big news but in the alt make Sheikh Hasina the bolded article instead of the protests Djprasadian (talk) 13:34, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Support Huge news. --Grnrchst (talk) 14:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Support Incredibly important post. Greatder (talk) 14:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Bangladesh is the eighth most populous country in the world and just had a revolution. This is gigantic news and its failure to be included so far reflects poorly on Wikipedia as a source of timely information. --Plumber (talk) 15:34, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

  No need to make far reaching conclusions, it will be posted when an administrator assesses the article and confirms it's of good quality. BilboBeggins (talk) 15:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability, but needs more cleanup and updates to be posted. Natg 19 (talk) 16:29, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability, big news Personisinsterest (talk) 16:49, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Major geopolitical news, especially after the culmination of the protests is finally over Cranloa12n / talk / contribs / 17:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support ALTblurb Per above, imo the protests should have been ITN for a while now but this can suffice. Ornithoptera (talk) 19:12, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. We can't post this while the controversy section is orange tagged for neutrality. Per WP:ITNUPDATE, Template:Tq. So it should be fixed before posting. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

• I have removed the tag until such time as the drive-by tagger creates a TP section explaining why policy supports the tag they placed after this ITN/C was opened. Per BRD, they'll need to gain consensus to restore the tag.-- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 22:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality per MonarchOfTerror. Support on notability per others. ArkHyena (talk) 20:02, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I suggest the target should be Non-cooperation movement (2024) because that is the primary article focused on this event. This is fairly better in terms of quality and improvements here wouldn't take much effort, unlike in the long and comprehensive bio of Sheikh Hasina. Nomian (talk) 20:29, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
  • The bio article is really close. The orange tag can be addresses and some of that material likely can go up to fill the gap in the section on her last term. If it was miles away I'd agree but it would be better for her more complete article to be target. — Masem (t) 21:03, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

• The orange tag has been removed since no TP discussion was created concerning the tag. Perhaps the tagger could spend the time to explain themself on the TP. -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 22:38, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
  • I moved the content about the more recent events that were put in the Controversies section up into the political career, as to meet my suggestion that there should be more there to explain why she fled the position (specifically her stance in the earlier protest). — Masem (t) 03:46, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support ITN/R as change of head of government This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:51, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment There should be some discussion about the violence against Hindus in the blurb. JDiala (talk) 20:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Graham Thorpe

Template:ITN candidate English cricketer. 240F:7A:6253:1:D008:3BBC:2CAE:D4B9 (talk) 07:31, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article is well sourced and updated. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:41, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Looks good. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:53, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support. - SchroCat (talk) 20:39, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 02:45, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

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RD: Duane Thomas

Template:ITN candidate Running back for the Dallas Cowboys. 240F:7A:6253:1:3433:C2D3:2DC9:5CFD (talk) 07:08, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Missing sources in many places, especially the legacy section. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:14, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Steve Kragthorpe

Template:ITN candidate College football coach for Louisville and Tulsa. 240F:7A:6253:1:3433:C2D3:2DC9:5CFD (talk) 07:08, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Multiple paragraphs without a citation. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Tsung-Dao Lee

Template:ITN candidate Article needs work. Staraction (talk | contribs) 16:58, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Needs sourcing work. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:20, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support He won Nobel prize. -Abhishikt (talk) 00:23, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

  Please be reminded to focus your review on article quality and readiness for use on MainPage, rather than who the subject was. Thanks. -- PFHLai (talk) 23:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Shobhana Ranade

Template:ITN candidate Indian social worker. Ktin (talk) 23:43, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support - article seems fully-sourced. The Kip ^(contribs) 05:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support. In a fairly decent shape. I've also cropped out the the main image to show only the subject. Cheers. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 04:53, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Source number 6 and 12 seem like blogs, are they really reliable? Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 21:51, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Novak Djokovic wins gold medal

Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate Novak's first gold at the Olympics. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 15:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose This is similar to the 100m nom below: this is already covered by ongoing. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose covered by ongoing Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:21, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose covered by ongoing. Lots of people are winning their first Olympic gold. Estreyeria (talk) 16:19, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose not a GS, which is ITNR; covered by ongoing. Unnamelessness (talk) 16:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Covered by ongoing and something similar to this nominated a day ago was not posted Hungry403 (talk) 17:31, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

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(Attention needed) RD: Pasi Ikonen

Template:ITN candidate

• Support Looks good enough. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Very poor prose with a couple of lines in annual sections. What happened after 2011 or did he retire? Stephen 00:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Yamini Krishnamurthy

Template:ITN candidate Indian classical dancer. Article meets minimum expectations for mainpage. Ktin (talk) 20:14, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Doesn't appear to be any problems. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 01:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) United Kingdom riots

Template:ITN candidate

Disrupstive event in a major country. -FelineHerder (talk) 19:46, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Support altblurb, the event is very important but the racial/religious motivations here can't be ignored. Personisinsterest (talk) 22:41, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

• The size of these seem small? While there are many across the country, they seem to be in the dozens to a few hundred or so at each, which is really not that significant in the larger picture. --Masem (t) 00:00, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose It's getting some coverage but the scale of the riots is not on a level that we would normally post at ITN. As far as I can tell the only thing that makes these riots stand out is that it is the far right instead of the left. That is admittedly somewhat unusual in the UK. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:07, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

  What an utterly absurd take. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 09:11, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

  Please substantiate. 2403:580E:5715:0:4DA9:B890:A623:A48F (talk) 11:30, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support - significant; well-developed articles. As a side note, although they were on a larger scale, we put the 2011 riots on ITN, so this is not without precedent. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 15:56, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
  • We tend to post a lot of protests and riots in the first place (not just from the UK), when we should be more focused on what impacts those are having on the city/region/country where they are occuring. For example, the protests in Venezula are clearly having an impact due not just to their size but the challenge to the election. While there has been some acts of violence from these UK ones, they aren't at a scale that seem to be having that significant an impact at this point. — Masem (t) 16:01, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

    What? Tim O'Doherty (talk) 19:47, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support on the proviso that the blurb delineates the 'mass stabbing of childrenTemplate:' in Southport. The riots have gained significant traction in the past several hours. ♦ JAGUAR  17:27, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Maybe it's because I'm in the UK but right now these riots are pretty big, definitely the largest civil unrest in Britain since 2011, possibly even back earlier PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

  This doesn't seem to be true. From a quick skim of the George Floyd protests in the United Kingdom in 2020, civil unrest was markedly larger in size/scope. spintheer (talk) 18:41, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

  Nowhere near comparable. Three times as many injured in these riots PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:01, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Pretty exceptional. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:07, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support. What's happening in the UK is not political protests but widespread extremist violence, which is both more unusual and more significant. Nsk92 (talk) 18:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Sustained international coverage, which is unusual for similar protests. C F A 💬 19:04, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb because definite racial component. Increasing international coverage, as above.--Wuerzele (talk) 19:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb per Wuerzele. This is a significant period of rioting in England from extremist groups that has had significant international news coverage. ArkHyena (talk) 19:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - Any blurb should mention the role of misinformation in triggering these events. Claiming that they're merely "in response to the stabbing" only lends credibility to said misinformation, which is the opposite of what an encyclopaedia should be aiming to do. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 20:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

  Motion seconded This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:39, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose These riots are not about anything in particular, I know the nominal cause was the Southport attacks but they have proved hopelessly misdirected. These riots are far right thugs and looters doing what thugs and looters do. Don't give them the oxygen of publicity. ITN's neutrality requirements do not prevent us exercising editorial judgement. 3142 (talk) 21:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

  I don't oppose us posting this on ITN (it is in the news, unfortunately) but I do oppose us describing the rioters as "protesters" for this reason. Did we do that in 2011? No. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 09:16, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Seems to be ongoing now, and several incidents occurring. UK PM to hold an emergency meeting. RJX74 (talk) 00:44, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Support Gaining a lot of traction. Tons of coverage on the riot around the world, worth posting. Hungry403 (talk) 02:23, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Support alt2; a significant event, and that blurb appears to best reflect the sources. BilledMammal (talk) 02:27, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 03:01, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

  Please add "anti-immigration riots". Kiwiz1338 (talk) 06:18, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

No need. The current blurb is concise, and the link between these riots and immigration is extremely tenuous. 'Far right' much better characterises their overall nature. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:48, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

"link between these riots and immigration is extremely tenuous" you have to be kidding me right? That's a main talking point of protesters. "stop the boats" "go home" "England for the English", you watch these protests and you'll hear all these. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 19:23, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: I think we are misinforming our readers by saying these riots have occurred "across the United Kingdom" in the blurb. The riots have been an almost exclusively English phenomenon, with only one relatively minor incident in Belfast. No riots have happened in Wales or Scotland, but that is what we're implying by saying these riots are happening "across the United Kingdom". --Grnrchst (talk) 14:39, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
  • 85% of the UK population lives in England. If the departments containing 85% of the population of France were rioting, would it be implying that the rioting was also happening in the other 15% if we says "protesters riot in France"? Unknown Temptation (talk) 14:49, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

    Different situation as the UK is a de facto federal state with four very distinct polities, unlike France which is quite centralised. However I don't think we should specify England as there is unrest occurring in the other nations. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:18, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

    The UK isn't in any way a federal state. It's a highly centralised state with unequal devolution to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) 100M

Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate

Had a discussion about this in the talk pages and it being the biggest sports event in 4 years. Men's is tomorrow, but like tennis grand slams, we can just update it then.Sportsnut24 (talk) 19:30, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Already covered by ongoing. 2A02:8071:6362:54A0:549B:15AE:60C8:4E6 (talk) 19:39, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Covered by ongoing item. Barring special significance, no single Olympic event rises to the level of a blurb imo. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:41, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Covered by ongoing per above, Editor 5426387 (talk) 23:31, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Antônio Meneses

Template:ITN candidate Nominator's comments: last paragraph of "career" (about discography) just needs a couple of little cites, which should take anyone 5-10 minutes with Google's help. Otherwise it should be good to go. Zingarese talk · contribs (please  mention me on reply; thanks!) 18:39, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

should be GTG now as far as citing is concerned. Let me know if there are any other problems. Zingarese talk · contribs (please  mention me on reply; thanks!) 20:05, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks to be of sufficient quality. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:44, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I nominated, and only then saw "he" was already here: One of few great cellists of his generation, the cellist of the legendary Beaux Arts Trio. The article was already pretty detailed and sourced. There could be more about what music, and reviews. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 23:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

(Attention needed) 2024 Lido Beach attack

Template:ITN candidate

• Neutral — You will need to demonstrate how this is a significant development in the Somali civil war. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 17:53, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Article is very not NPOV, and it's already in the current events portal under the civil war. Sharrdx (talk) 18:55, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

An article being featured in the current events portal has no bearing as to whether it should be posted as a blurb. Gödel2200 (talk) 19:31, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Support I'm not wowed by the article quality but this appears to be a major terrorist incident with significant loss of life. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:26, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose Grim as it sounds, both Timeline of al-Shabaab-related events and the sub-categories of Category:Terrorist incidents in Somalia in the 2020s indicate that attacks of this scale unfortunately don't seem to be uncommon events in Somalia, and the article doesn't really detail why it's especially significant compared any others. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:50, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

  @The Kip deadliest attack since 2022 Somali Ministry of Education bombings. QalasQalas (talk) 21:32, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

  I’m not sure if deadliest attack in under two years establishes unique significance. The Kip ^(contribs) 22:53, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

  Additionally as this is (as far as I can tell) the fourth attack at Lido Beach in as many years. Curbon7 (talk) 04:24, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

@ElijahPepe one of the dealiest attack. QalasQalas (talk) 23:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose The article only has two paragraphs on the attack itself, the rest being background and reactions. As The Kip said, these types of attacks seem to be relatively common in Somalia. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:28, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Significant attack with a significant loss of life. C F A 💬 21:05, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

  Leaning Oppose, obviously this is tragic but: 1. the article doesn't talk much about the attack, and 2. this seems to be a fairly common occurrence and not particularly notable in the war. Personisinsterest (talk) 19:35, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support with updated death toll (now over 40 people), significant attack. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 12:30, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Galboda Gnanissara Thera

Template:ITN candidate Head priest and the chief incumbent of the Gangaramaya Temple in Colombo, Sri Lanka. 65.94.214.121 (talk) 05:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 00:19, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Jürgen Ahrend

Template:ITN candidate Influential internationally known organ builder, especially known for restoring Baroque organs such as Arp Schnitger's. The article was short in prose and detailed in list. Prose and referencing expanded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Master organ builder based in Germany. Article long enough and referenced. Grimes2 (talk) 15:54, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 21:49, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Craig Shakespeare

Template:ITN candidate English footballer and coach. 240F:7A:6253:1:D008:3BBC:2CAE:D4B9 (talk) 07:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The Playing Career section could use more citations. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:42, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose playing career section needs a lot more citations. Better quality photo would be good too. The rest of the article is very good. Added cn tags to help. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:35, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Joyce Brabner

Template:ITN candidate American comic book writer. 240F:7A:6253:1:A80D:4F7:9392:624C (talk) 18:50, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose 2 cn tags and article is missing citations throughout. Also there are so many quotes in the article, which isn't a critical issue but makes the article's writing a bit weird. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:01, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

RD: Leonard Hayflick

Template:ITN candidate American cell biologist.

• Support The article has been improved considerably, and Hayflick's contributions to cell biology and vaccine development are very consequential. Stefan Economou (talk) 02:14, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Important guy, article seems fine

Personisinsterest (talk) 02:35, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

• There is a {lead too long} tag atop the wikipage. And there are multiple paragraphs with zero footnotes. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 16:17, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) American–Russian prisoner exchange

Template:ITN candidate

• Support once completed and the article is updated. This is reportedly the largest prisoner swap since the end of the Cold War [41]. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 14:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Highly important Personisinsterest (talk) 15:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Specifically the altblurb, and would support a free image of the prisoners being released if possible Personisinsterest (talk) 15:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb2 - The location of the swap (Ankara Airport) is not important. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on notability prisoner exchanges happen frequently and even amongst warring nations, I cannot see why this particular exchange is notable. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

  This is the largest since the Cold War,[42] and between two of the most powerful countries on earth Personisinsterest (talk) 15:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support as per Jessintime and Personisinterest. Prefer altblurb.yorkshiresky (talk) 15:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose both on significance and quality. Ignoring the descriptions of the exchanged persons, the article has like two paragraphs of material about the actual process, nowhere close to standards. Biggest the biggest since the Cold War is not how significance should be judged. Masem (t) 16:17, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

  How should it be judged then? ~~ Jessintime (talk) 17:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

  What impact does it have on US Russia relations or is this going to impact the situation in Ukraine or with NATO. This reads as a routine type of exchange outside of the number being made at one time. — Masem (t) 17:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

  Is it routine? I believe the last time this happened was 2022. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 20:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

  Two years ago seems routine to me. Masem (t) 21:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

  It is. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:12, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

  There is nothing routine about it. The scale, the preparation, the fact that seven countries participated, amount of prisoners exchanged and their weight and recognisability, connections to Navalny case. There are several people on the list whose getting to prison justified a blurb.

  Unprecedented is that a third country takes political prisoners who don't have any connection to it, among other things such as structure of this exchange.

  And how often are political prisoners exchanged. BilboBeggins (talk) 12:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

  First of all, what it has to do with Ukraine? It didn't participate in the exchange.

  Second, why does this item need to depend on events that are WP:CRYSTAL? How one can know what the impact will be? Some people say that this may lead to further negotiations, on a higher level, some say that it inferes thaw in relations, others are convinced in the opposite. But the important thing is that people discuss it and it is focus, it is in the news all over the world BilboBeggins (talk) 12:25, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose on notability and quality. Prisoner exchanges are common, and the article needs additional sources. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 03:43, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support obviously. Highly significant, as evidenced by the prominence of those exchanged. 2A02:8071:6362:54A0:549B:15AE:60C8:4E6 (talk) 16:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Apart from the Background section, there is almost no substance to this article. Yakikaki (talk) 16:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support in principle As noted, #Prisoner exchange needs expansion. Supporting on the merits as a noteworthy international relations story. I grant the systemic bias in this, but the cases of Evan Gershkovich and Paul Whelan (security director) are noteworthy in the U.S. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:42, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose both on significance and article quality per Masem and Abcmaxx. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Significant news and unique compared to other exchanges. Randam (talk) 17:28, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, great for the families, extortion from the Russians for embarrassing the US. Also, don't link countries on the Main Page per MOS:OVERLINK. Abductive (reasoning) 17:42, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Globally significant (views to the contrary are baffling to me - the biggest prisoner exchange between two nuclear-armed, Permanent Five powers since the Cold War?). It also involves numerous other nations (Turkey was a mediator, some of the prisoners were from Germany, Poland, Slovenia, Norway, at least one prisoner was freed from Belarus). So this is a multilateral thing. Article quality seems there, and improving still. Neutrality^talk 18:08, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality as I'd like to see some expansion of the prose. Support on notability, though. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Masem makes a convincing argument. SerialNumber54129 19:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The nomination presents this as a US initiative when it seems that Germany has the lion's share of the Western end of this. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:02, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

  Well yeah but it was a hostage deal between America and Russia Personisinsterest (talk) 20:28, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

  The news source given in the nomination presents it as a "Russia-West prisoner swap". The nomination then replaces West with America throughout. It's wrong. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

  The core element of the deal happening was in Germany serving life sentence. BilboBeggins (talk) 12:33, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

  The fact that the blurb is bad doesn't make this postable or not. Suggest a new blurb if you think it is inaccurate or unacceptable. Natg 19 (talk) 21:08, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

  The US exceptionalism and nationalism seems to permeate the article and nomination. See its talk page. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Let the record reflect that I comment on ITN most often to note U.S.-centric bias. I incorrectly assumed that the deal was between the U.S. and Russia at first, as well. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 01:27, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support The very sort of article we should be running; in the news and not so easy for readers to locate. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per Masem Hungry403 (talk) 21:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability, oppose on quality. As others have mentioned, the details on the prisoner exchange itself are lacking in prose. The article should be expanded upon before the blurb is posted. ArkHyena (talk) 21:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability In fact, there is precedent to post these types of things; for instance, Brittney Griner's release was posted. And with this event having many more prisoners being exchanged than that one, this passes the bar of significance in my mind. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, oppose all current blurb options. A better blurb may be something along the lines of Russia released western journalists/political prisoners in exchange for releasing criminals held in western countries. Or similar. My wording is crap. There isn't a clear good short wording for this. But I agree with others that the blurb should not place undue emphasis on the US, given that from my reading 7 western countries were involved in the discussions for this exchange. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 04:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

  Most biased ITN i have ever seen AlexBobCharles (talk) 07:52, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support This is huge, and many prominent politicians and journalists are involved. Trepang2 (talk) 04:43, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Major prisoner exchange between major countries in the major power blocks in the Second Cold War, historical and highly notable. --Gerrit ^CUTEDH 06:22, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment. There weren't 26 people released, only 24, other two on the plane being kids whose parents were detained in Slovenia. Regarding the sides of exchange, altblurb3 is the correct one, because seven countries participated. Maybe it makes sense to mention Germany explicitly, because the most important contribution was by Germany and it has received all but three people of those who were sent to the West. BilboBeggins (talk) 12:19, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment The photo should not be posted as it would be pro-US bias . Altblurb 3 is the best one
  • The photo should be posted, it's the only group photo in public domain, no bias with photo. BilboBeggins (talk) 13:38, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

  I know , i meant for it be posted with no photo AlexBobCharles (talk) 15:39, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb. The biggest prisoner exchange between West abd East since World War 2 [43]. In the news and analysed all over the world, the biggest news currently. The event is by no means trivial, as seven countries participated in swap, with Turkey serving as neutral party, and there were also difficulties in legal justification and abiding by law. This led to debate in Germany and may influence future of the governing coalition (because its members had varying opinions on thr issue). The situation is very complex and for sure there will be consequences, changes for bilateral relations between countries participating in the exchange, and more. BilboBeggins (talk) 13:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
• The article quality has improved considerably and the title has been changed in view of the discussion. I think the consensus has shifted to support? Let me see some more feedback, then ready to post. --Tone 15:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Probably the last big international event of the year unless war breaks out between Iran and Israel. Count Iblis (talk) 15:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

  -until war breaks out between Iran and Israel Personisinsterest (talk) 16:19, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support, in the news internationally and the article is in good shape. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:25, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support highly notable and in relatively good quality, Editor 5426387 (talk) 16:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
• Posting. Feel free to add the picture. --Tone 17:42, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
  • I don't feel the quality concerns raised early have been sufficiently addressed. Take out the background and list of people, and you have almost nothing of substance here and less than what we would normally expect. All the claims how this is that significant should be then easy to source to explain that by those making those claims, not just handwaving that factor. I am not going to ask for it to be pulled, but we have to make sure that what we are posting represent some of WP's best work since we're highlighting it on the main page. --Masem (t) 17:46, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

    I agree. The posted blurb still emphasises the United States and treats the other countries involved as insignificant allies, i.e. puppets or stooges comparable with Belarus. This is not accurate or complete, as I understand it. The key prisoner was not Gershkovich, who is currently the primary focus of the article, but Krasikov who was the guy that Russia really wanted as he's a personal acquaintance or colleague of Putin. Krasikov was held by Germany and so their agreement was vital in getting the deal done. The Germans refused previously, holding out for a swap with Navalny and so it was his death that opened things up. The article doesn't explain this well and just seems to be cheer-leading for the US to make Biden and Harris look good. It comes across as blatant US propaganda. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:12, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

    If not for Germany, the swap wouldn't have happened. So I agree with you. As I mentioned before, I also have issue with 26 released. If by ghat we mean that they were on planes, then yes. But many may understand this as if all 26 were released from prison, which is not the case. BilboBeggins (talk) 18:27, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

    The blurb is now in play at WP:ERRORS so we have a multilateral situation. I just looked at the lead of the article and the only named people are Americans. The lead picture is American showing Americans and an American flag. There's then a section all about a particular American. The negotiations section then starts with a link to VP Harris. It's like the Simpsons when Homer chants USA! USA! But see WP:NPOV... Andrew🐉(talk) 18:57, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Gershkovich and Whelan were the only people initially confirmed. The image is the only public domain image pertaining to this. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

• Pull The article is nonsensically lop-sided. There's an entire massive paragraph about Gershkovich (why?), a paragraph about negotiations which should be titled "American negotiations", and the reactions section ... well, you get the picture. Practically nothing about Germany without who this wouldn't have happened at all. Black Kite (talk) 19:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

  The info from article in other languages may be added. BilboBeggins (talk) 09:51, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

• Pull The article is not ready for the main page, containing a fully unsourced background section. Gödel2200 (talk) 22:26, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I've dealt with the copyvio problems but this has just left a lot of the article unsourced. Black Kite (talk) 10:06, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting support The article was put together pretty quickly given how fast the news developed. It can be continually improved. This is the largest prisoner exchange since the Cold War, possibly ever. Posting it was the right call. Pats2017 (talk) 00:31, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Pats2017 (talk)
  • There is no timeliness factor for ITN posting. Quality must be established before it is posted, and even at the current state, the substance of the article (the negotations of the trade) are barely discussed. --Masem (t) 00:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

    <<There is no timeiness factor for ITN posting>>

    Not my point. The point is that it's a huge story that people going to Wikipedia will look for. And as for quality, we of course want a high-quality article. As I said, it can always be revised and improved. But even if it can use improvement the magnitude of the story merits consideration for WP:IAR. The item has been posted and should remain so.Pats2017 (talk) 00:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Pats2017

    Quality is a non-negotiable requirement for any article linked as a featured one from the Main Page, since those are supposed to represent some of WP's best work. We don't IAR quality for timeliness. And if readers aren't seeing a news story they thing might be in the ITN box, its why we also include the Current Events portal to help further while the article may be improved. --Masem (t) 01:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

    We've routinely put stories up before that weren't the best quality--we do it all the time for sporting events, award ceremonies, elections.

    You may disagree with me about what qualifies our "best work," but In The News always represents our best work that we could post in a timely manner, give that we have at most seven days before items become stale. There are always comments in the Talk Page about how an "article is good enough" to post (You can scroll down the current ITN Talk Page for at least three instances.)

    I can understand the case for Pulling an item that clearly doesn't meet ITN criteria on signficance (for example, the Beatles "new hit song" item that got posted and then--correctly imho--pulled a while back). But this is clearly a ITN-worthy item that affects at least seven nations and has a profound impact. The toothpaste is out of the tube. Pulling the item back at this point is silly. Pats2017 (talk) 01:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

    We do not post things like awards, sports results, or elections without the article being at least a reasonably complete state within the hours or days after that has completed. For new news events, there is a reasonable expectation of what could be included. For this prisoner trade, there are several articles (now? maybe not 24-48 hrs ago) that have significant deals - far more than what our current article's two paragraphs fail to properly summarize. That's the type of expection we want to those non-routine events. Same applies to disaster articles; we don't post until we know we have a sufficient amount of detail about the event itself. We're not expecting completeness, and things can change and be added after posting, but the initial post needs to be of a certain level that shows the article is trending towards meeting all core content policies and thus appropriate for an encyclopedia, not just regurgitating the news. For example, there's still what seems to be underselling of the Germany role in these negotiations, which makes this still an NPOV issue. --Masem (t) 02:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

    Fair point re:Germony, but it doesn't nullify my point that every article currently on the ITN board got the "article is good enough" seal of consensus on the Talk Page prior to posting. The prisoner swap article also needs improvement and will continue to be revised.

    Don't make perfect the enemy of good. There's no need to pull the article. Just keep working roward making it better. Pats2017 (talk) 02:28, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Assassination of Mohammed Deif

Template:ITN candidate

Wait, until more evidence comes out let’s hold off on posting. Dudes article has a few CN tags. Ion.want.uu (talk) 12:31, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

I mean, they said that on the first day. Seeing as there's no more evidence and that this is denied by Hamas, I don't think we can post this Personisinsterest (talk) 12:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Hamas has not confirmed or denied the death. We can wait until then to decide whether to post. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 13:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as stale. The notable thing would be the death of Deif, not the announcement of his death. And, if the announcement is correct, he would have died weeks ago, so this would be stale. Also, as others have said, it is still not fully clear if he really was killed in the strike. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

  Template:Ping The timing and staleness of a news story are based on the date when the news was announced, which is not necessarily the date that something happened. Per ITN's procedural guidelines: Template:Tq Kurtis ^(talk) 23:33, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

• Merge into the blurb about Ismail Haniyeh. The staleness is not a big deal if the news is breaking now – see the entry for William Calley who died back in April. The strike on Fuad Shukr might be added too but he was Hezbollah rather than Hamas. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

  Eh, it's two different strikes and this one isn't even confirmed. Personisinsterest (talk) 15:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

  One was the political leader of Hamas and the other its main military leader and so they naturally complement each other. Both events still have some uncertainty about the details but so it goes. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb as worded. "Assassination" is a term used to denote an act of criminal murder and as such would be highly problematic per NPOV. I can't recall any incident where the killing of the military commander of an enemy with whom you are in a formal state of war was labeled as an assassination. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as stale This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 17:44, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

  Template:Ping The timing and staleness of a news story are based on the date when the news was announced, which is not necessarily the date that something happened. Per ITN's procedural guidelines: Template:Tq Kurtis ^(talk) 23:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

  Even if rejected for blurb, this can still be posted as an RD. Curbon7 (talk) 23:44, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

• I disagree with the closure of this discussion, which I feel was done prematurely and based on erroneous reasoning. First, the news itself is not stale if it was just announced. As ITN's guidelines very clearly state: Template:Tq Therefore, Mohammed Deif's death is still breaking news, and still a viable candidate for a blurb. I also feel that the discussion was closed too hastily, as even if we don't approve a separate blurb, we might still incorporate it into the current blurb regarding the death of Ismail Haniyeh like Andrew Davidson suggests (which is what I would support). And although I think it's very helpful to have non-admins closing discussions, NACs should mostly be done in cases where the consensus is completely unambiguous and unlikely to change in the near future. In more complex cases, the closing party should have the full range of options available to them, which includes the ability to post it, or to modify an existing blurb. I'd re-open this discussion myself, but I'll leave the decision to other observers. Kurtis ^(talk) 23:03, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Reopened, this isn't stale as the announcement is recent. Stephen 23:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - it's an Israeli claim, not an established fact. nableezy - 23:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - stale. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

  Template:Ping How so? It was only recently announced. Kurtis ^(talk) 06:52, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

  There were conflicting reports on his death as early as the airstrike itself, which was weeks ago - this is just Israel formally staking a claim, which itself isn't entirely clear on veracity. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Hamas has still not confirmed his death AlexBobCharles (talk) 07:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, It's just an israeli claim, and is denied by Hamas, there's no more evidence.--Dr-Taher (talk) 06:14, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Halla Tómasdóttir becomes president

Template:ITN candidate

Several things to comment. First, Iceland is a parliamentary republic and its head of state has no executive powers. Consequently, it is not ITNR. Secondly, I would wait for the official inauguration. And, thirdly, the presidential election was two months ago, so the main article cannot be the one about the election because it is stale and should be the one about Tómasdóttir. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

For some reason I got the months wrong. Amended now. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:53, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

thanks! The problem now is that it's a short biography. The articles in Icelandic and Italian have more content with sources. The articles may help to expand on this. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:03, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose we didn't include the Icelandic election, therefore we shouldn't include the swearing in. Scu ba (talk) 11:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Actually if we missed the Icelandic elections this is a good opportunity to remedy this and post. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Correct. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:56, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

No. We didn’t miss the Icelandic election. It was put up as a cannidate. The result of the discussion was to not post it since 1) it’s Iceland and 2) the office of president is ceremonial and 3) we haven’t posted an Icelandic presidential election before. Scu ba (talk) 13:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of the previous discussion but none of those seem like a good reason on their own to oppose: 1. Iceland is a fully sovereign state, and isn't a micronation by any means; its relatively small population should not really be a discriminating factor. 2. It's ceremonial in many states, and the president is still a representative of the nation with political influence 3. That does not mean it cannot ever be posted. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong, I agree, Iceland's results should've been included in the news, but it wasn't. We don't include swearing ins so we shouldn't break precedent here. Scu ba (talk) 16:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Support to compensate for missing the Icelandic election, as per Abcmaxx. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 15:14, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for now as Halla Tómasdóttir is a stub. Willing to reconsider if expanded. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on both quality and notability; the main article is a stub and the office is largely ceremonial, with little impact. Yakikaki (talk) 16:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support since we missed the election, pending improvements (including finding a picture) This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 17:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, wait for inauguration Personisinsterest (talk) 19:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose -- not ITNR. President of Iceland is ceremonial and has no power. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 10:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The president of Iceland does have some executive powers, though I think we should only be posting the prime minister. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:13, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:16, 2 August 2024 (UTC)