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Woo Won-shik, the speaker of the South Korean National Assembly, signing the impeachment resolution
Woo Won-shik, the speaker of the South Korean National Assembly, signing the impeachment resolution

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  • Blurbs are one-sentence summaries of the news story.
    • Altblurbs, labelled alt1, alt2, etc., are alternative suggestions to cover the same story.
    • A target article, bolded in text, is the focus of the story. Each blurb must have at least one such article, but you may also link non-target articles.
  • Articles in the Ongoing line describe events getting continuous coverage.
  • The Recent deaths (RD) line includes any living thing whose death was recently announced. Consensus may decide to create a blurb for a recent death.

All articles linked in the ITN template must pass our standards of review. They should be up-to-date, demonstrate relevance via good sourcing and have at least an acceptable quality.

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  • Make sure the item you want to nominate has an article that meets our minimum requirements and contains reliable coverage of a current event you want to create a blurb about. We will not post about events described in an article that fails our quality standards.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates manually – a bot does that for us each day at midnight (UTC).
  • Create a level 4 header with the article name (==== Your article here ====). Add (RD) or (Ongoing) if appropriate.
Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready!
  • You may add {{ITN note}} to the target article's talk page to let editors know about your nomination.

The better your article's quality, the better it covers the event and the wider its perceived significance (see WP:ITNSIGNIF for details), the better your chances of getting the blurb posted.

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  • When the article is ready, updated and there is consensus to post, you can mark the item as (Ready). Remove that wording if you feel the article fails any of these necessary criteria.
  • Admins should always separately verify whether these criteria are met before posting blurbs marked (Ready). For more guidance, check WP:ITN/A.
    • If satisfied, change the header to (Posted).
    • Where there is no consensus, or the article's quality remains poor, change the header to (Closed) or (Not posted).
    • Sometimes, editors ask to retract an already-posted nomination because of a fundamental error or because consensus changed. If you feel the community supports this, remove the item and mark the item as (Pulled).

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Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

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There are two places where you can request corrections to posted items:

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December 18

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December 18, 2024 (2024-12-18) (Wednesday)

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RD: Rik Van Looy

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Article: Rik Van Looy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): VRT
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article still needs work despite the 34 references. Borderline blurb-worthy, one of the all-time greatest cyclists (2 times world champion, 2nd most professional wins, won all classics), but would be nice to at least get him into RD. Fram (talk) 15:12, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Marsden

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Article: John Marsden (writer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian writer. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 13:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Perry J. Dahl

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Article: Perry J. Dahl (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Neptune Society
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American flying ace during World War II Toadboy123 (talk) 01:39, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The death was on December 2, and is thus not recent. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:17, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MtPenguinMonster: was only announced on 17 December though. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 17

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December 17, 2024 (2024-12-17) (Tuesday)

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RD: Nicholas Chia

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Article: Nicholas Chia (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNA
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The 3rd Catholic Archbishop of Singapore. This was in a resume-ish format before I rewrote into prose and add some sources as well. Still a bit more to go for a minimum ITN pass; putting up here first. There are at least two notable events while he was in the office, which I will add on in the coming days. – robertsky (talk) 12:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Igor Kirillov

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Article: Igor Kirillov (general) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Russian general died this morning in an explosion. Ukrainian responsibility not confirmed yet. Zwerg Nase (talk) 08:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Port Vila earthquake

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Article: 2024 Port Vila earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A Mw 7.3 earthquake hits Vanuatu's capital Port Vila. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A 7.3 Mw earthquake hits Vanuatu's capital Port Vila.
News source(s): Magnitude 7.4 earthquake strikes near Vanuatu capital, BBC, Reuters, The Guardian, USGS
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Nominator's comments: The epicentre is 30 km from Port Vila, and a shallow 7.3 Mw strike will have caused significant damage in a town of 50,000 people. At the moment, there is one reported fatality; the true death number will be much higher. The situation will become much clearer over the next 24 hours. Schwede66 08:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Major event and the article looks good enough. Prodrummer619 (talk) 21:23, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) US drone sightings

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No consensus to post.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 00:05, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: 2024 New Jersey drone sightings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Widespread sightings of unidentified drones are reported across the United States. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbsnews.com/news/drones-new-jersey-what-we-know/
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Let me be perfectly clear: I don't want this posted, and I foresee a SNOW close as consensus against posting. I don't want this to be on ITN and I'm nominating it so we can get it out of the way, and give ITN a precedent about what is in my opinion absolutely nothing but political banter and public paranoia following the recent occurrences of exhibit A and exhibit B and now exhibit C all coming amidst exhibit D. If nothing else, I want to hear people's more specific reasons for why this should be posted more than anything. I also want ITN to reality-check me on whether or not this is as big of a story as the news media is blowing it up to be. Departure– (talk) 00:40, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment why are you nominating if you do not want this to be posted? Please do not try to "game" the system. There is no need to "hear other's opinions" until this is properly nominated (by someone who wants it to be posted). Natg 19 (talk) 00:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's exactly what I thought, ITN isn't the place for discussion. TansoShoshen (talk) 18:15, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support if the blurb can be modified to a less affirmative statement like "allegedly unidentified drones" or something like that. While we apparently have RS that confirm drones have been spotted and those drones are unidentified, we don't have any RS that say this is "widespread" (rather, the belief in sightings seems to be what's widespread) and the expert consensus is triangulating toward the idea that almost all of these are misidentification of aircraft. But it is, in fact "in the news" so I suppose meets WP:ITNSIGNIF. Moreover, it's not our job to protect humanity from delusion. Also, thanks to the excellent work of @Anne drew: and @Very Polite Person:, this article is as sober as possible to make it given the sources. Chetsford (talk) 00:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Easy fix for your concern re Blurb:
    Widespread reports of unidentified drones in the United States, beginning in New Jersey.
    How about that? As neutral as you can get and slips Jersey in, as the media/awareness as the main locus of it all. cc @Departure– & @Natg 19. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 01:46, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The article is up-to-date and outlines the major facets of this event (reported sightings, investigations, responses, and explanations). It is well referenced using reliable sources. The event is significant politically, drawing commentary from political leaders at every level of government and prompting the introduction of legislation. It has been internationally reported by many newspapers of record. There is relevance outside of the US, with events described as related being reported in the UK and Germany (see the background section). The coverage has been widespread, but also with deep coverage by outlets such as The New York Times, CBS, and The Guardian. The article is of decent quality; although the edits have been coming in rapidly, I think we've kept it fairly organized and balanced. Cheers Chetsford, it's been a pleasure working with you on it :) – Anne drew 01:13, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support posting to ITN as extremely (very) timely, and with zero indication this is going away--if anything, looking at the news and reports every night, it's accellerating, as nuts as that is to even write. Whatever it is, people are interested in it to where they're forcing Biden and Trump to speak out now (Biden is certainly next--Trump was today). There's no reason to not put it up, so we may as well. The article is extremely thoroughly sourced and nearly boringly written, like a proper article should be. Like @Chetsford said, it's very, very sober. As soon as this started to pick up steam and I noticed the article, that's why I immediately posted it to Fringe theories/Noticeboard (link to thread) for more eyes. I think it's timely, necessary, and for a Frankenstein of an article, shockingly well written already and beyond thoroughly sourced. h/t and a half to @Anne drew for the bad-ass copy-editing (she beat me to it!). 2024 New Jersey drone sightings sails past any scrutiny related to policy. I get some of us think it's nonsense. Maybe it is. But our personal views are always irrelevant to mission. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 01:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose we don't post conspiracy theories to ITN. Scuba 01:53, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What's the conspiracy theory? The Joint Chiefs of Staff, Department of Homeland Security and New York Governor confirmed they're real. Not all of them, certainly, but we're past from all levels of government the idea it's all some mass delusion. The WP:RS in the article spell it out. We've been beyond methodical in keeping the article factual against sources. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 01:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    So true! The Iranian mother-ship off the coast is spying on Bergen county! The Drones are real! Scuba 02:01, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on account of the fact that the only real way to describe the events in question are "something is happening". It doesn't seem that the government believes them to be threatening. I think if you compare to the balloon, that was eventually ascribed as being Chinese, and even if the eventual diplomatic impacts of it were little, it WAS an international affair of sorts. If it's found out that these drones are the work of foreign agents, that's a big deal, but right now the only real impacts we've seen from them, to my knowledge, have been minor airport disruptions, which aren't exactly uncommon anyway. Very possible this ends up being a nothingburger, covered extensively or not. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:24, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Given how much wacky conspiracy theories and other nonsense from the extreme political spectrum, this is not a real news story. Should they prove to be anything legit (like the Chinese weather balloon from a few years back), then maybe there's something to post. --Masem (t) 02:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose - People have been sighting UFOs for decades. The fact that the news cycle has latched onto these sightings for whatever reason doesn't make them actually notable. –DMartin 04:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Whatever or whoever this is, it’s something. That has drawn the attention of the political, military, civilian and media worlds, the latter putting this story at the front of the news from top to bottom of the media spectrum. Opposers fail to convince that this story is unworthy of ITN, and the article, as noted, is carefully sourced and written from a strong NPOV, a credit to Wikipedia. I suggest a posting admin take the strength, and lack of strength, of the arguments into consideration. “In the News?” Absolutely all over the news, for several cycles now. Jusdafax (talk) 04:31, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Except that WP is not a news ticker. Just because a story is well-covered in the news does not make it appropriate for ITN, particularly as there's no yet firm explanation for what's going on. Front page is not good for speculative stories that just have happened to catch the media's attention. — Masem (t) 04:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well, we disagree, that’s all. I don’t for one minute buy the “not a news ticker” argument, with all due respect to you. That could be used on any news item. To quote the main ITN entry “ The "In the news" (ITN) section on the Main Page serves to direct readers to articles that have been substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest. ITN supports the central purpose of Wikipedia—making a great encyclopedia.” This is the lede paragraph at ITN. And at the end: “ Events are added based on a consensus on the ITN candidates page, using two main criteria: a) the quality of the article, including material added or updated to reflect the recent event, and b) the general significance of the developments.” The quality is good, the significance high, the material updated. Consensus is established by the weight of the discussers, not the number, as you well know. Again, with more due respect, in my opinion all I’m seeing from opposers here is WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Cheers! Jusdafax (talk) 05:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • "making a great encyclopedia" is important - the problem is that the drone sightings are questionable right now as an encyclopedic topic per NOTNEWS. There's no indication this is going to be an event that will have enduring coverage yet, because there's tons of speculation of what they are and no immediate threats. If it turns out there were a foreign entity that would lead to diplomatic issues, maybe there's something. But with all the wacky theories and explanations to try to explain them, its like claims of UFO sightings, its interesting but not something that WP should readily be documenting at this point. — Masem (t) 13:06, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggestion for alternate blurb: Investigations by the U.S. Government and independent experts fail to find anything anomalous related to the 2024 New Jersey drone sightings. References: [1], [2], [3], etc. Chetsford (talk) 05:00, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose — There is no indication what these objects are; most of them the videos depict planes. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 05:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose That some people have become so panicked or conspiratorial that the USA government has had to intervene is not only ridiculous but irrelevant. _-_Alsor (talk) 06:54, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Has there been a contemporaneous example of mass hysteria that made it onto ITN? Ornithoptera (talk) 06:59, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose local news Kowal2701 (talk) 07:51, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Nothing special seems to have been found so far but investigations are ongoing. In the meantime, I like the story about the murder of crows, which seems more seasonal. Watch the skies! Andrew🐉(talk) 08:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose If people with tinfoil hats want to believe that videos of aircraft and Venus (which 95% of these things are) are posing a major threat to the USA, it probably needs to stay on X and other nuthatch meeting places. I suppose the fact that this nonsense has made it into the actual news and the fact that the DHS has said there are a few real sightings makes the story itself somewhat notable even as an exercise in how conspiracy theories spread, but nothing more than that. Black Kite (talk) 08:39, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose And WP:TROUT to the nominator, enwiki specifically avoids WP:POINT edits. Gotitbro (talk) 08:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose because nothing much has actually happened. Beyond that, if the nominator of an item doesn't want it to go forward to the home page (for instance because new facts come to light, or the story is overtaken by another, related one), we generally close the nomination unless there is an excellent reason not to. I'm therefore calling for a procedural close of this item. Users ought not to make proposals they do not want to see carried out; trying to achieve a negative result so as to establish some kind of benchmark or precedent is, as Gotitbro observes, a violation of WP:POINT; it's also unlikely to succeed, as users generally (correctly) invoke WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS when people try to rely too strongly such precedents. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:33, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not trying to disrupt the wiki or anything; from my perspective, I just wrote a neutrally-worded and properly attributed blurb with a built-in oppose vote and that's all. I would have opposed this if and when it was nominated anyway. But I see your point and I'll try to avoid opening nominations for this in the future. I will stand by the point that as of now this event is more or less nothing. Departure– (talk) 13:09, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. It's a mystery for sure, but unless/until there's some public announcement of who is responsible or determination that something nefarious is going on, there's no actual impact yet. 'Something unusual happened, but we don't know what it is, who is responsible or what the impact might be' isn't suitable for an ITN blurb. Separately, I find the nomination comments bizarre and counterproductive - if you don't think this should be posted, simply don't nominate it. Seems like a deliberate waste of time. Modest Genius talk 15:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait, oppose for now. Until something actually happens, this really shouldn't be on ITN. Keep in mind this isn't affecting my !vote, but 99% of these are almost certainly civilian-operated aircraft, hobbyist drones, or Venus. — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 16:27, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and SNOW Close per GenevieveDEon. If the nominator himself opposes the nomination, why is this even up? This has been mere trivia here in Europe (if covered at all). Maybe the news cycle was particularly slow in the US when this emerged. Khuft (talk) 21:51, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

December 16

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December 16, 2024 (2024-12-16) (Monday)

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RD: Dick Van Arsdale

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Article: Dick Van Arsdale (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American basketball player, 3-time NBA All-Star. —Bagumba (talk) 10:05, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Macoto Takahashi

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Article: Macoto Takahashi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo News, ComicBook.com
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Highly influential manga artist. Died in November, but death was only announced today. Morgan695 (talk) 20:18, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Article is fairly short but everything appears to be cited. ForsythiaJo (talk) 16:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Abundant Life Christian School shooting

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WP:SNOW close. Sadly, these kinds of shootings happen way too commonly (about every 4 days on average). (non-admin closure) 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 11:21, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Abundant Life Christian School shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Three people are killed and six others are injured in a school shooting at the Abundant Life Christian School (pictured) in Madison, Wisconsin, United States. (Post)
News source(s): AP, Reuters, BBC
Credits:
Nominator's comments: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloxzge 025 (talk • contribs) 19:27, 2024 December 17 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

December 15

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December 15, 2024 (2024-12-15) (Sunday)

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RD: Jean Adamson

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Article: Jean Adamson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British children's author and creator of Topsy and Tim. 240F:7A:6253:1:80C6:3571:686F:3F52 (talk) 15:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD/blurb: Zakir Hussain

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Article: Zakir Hussain (musician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Indian tabla player and classical musician Zakir Hussain dies at the age of 73. (Post)
News source(s): BBC The hindu Times of India npr, NYTimes
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian tabla player, composer, percussionist Spworld2 (talk) 08:05, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Shouldn't this be moved to 15 December since he died at 11 PM, Sunday (UTC) NDTV i.e, 4pm in San Francisco time The AP (talk) 06:37, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done jlwoodwa (talk) 17:58, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I haven't yet evaluated the article's quality, but there's an argument for a blurb here; Hussain was among the most famous Indian classical musicians, and certainly the most famous player of his chosen instrument. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:39, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb oppose on quality - I have added a bunch of sources for his soundtracks and awards but couldn't find an appropriate source for 2000 Istanbul International Film Festival (Turkey) ; help would be appreciated The AP (talk) 19:11, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb as article lacks any claim for why he was a major/great figure outside one line in the lede. If he was such an important figure in bringing Indian music to worldwide audiences, I'd expect a decent sized legacy section to explain this, not just a passing statement. Masem (t) 19:27, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Zakir Hussain has long been recognised as one of the most major exponents of Tabla for over thirty years. He is the son of Ustad Allah Rakkah, who was Tabla player for Ravi Shankar. He has a huge discography and has performed thousands of concerts to worldwide acclaim. Majormiser (talk) 11:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Lots of performers have huge discographies and have played concerts worldwide, that is not what makes them great/major figures. We need a sufficiently good amount (eg not just one statement) of sourced content to explain that legacy beyond just performances. That might be possible to add from the various obits going around, but without that, its not clear to the casual reader why we'd post this person as a blurb. — Masem (t) 13:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb not international news This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • That's a completely invalid reason. ITN items do not have to have international coverage to be considered. And in this case, that's just a falsehood since there's plenty of western sources covering his death. --Masem (t) 02:46, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Blurb definitely seems worthy, Great Norwegian Encyclopedia[4] (translated): "Hussain was of great importance for the development of the tabla as a solo instrument and to make the instrument known internationally." Though agree with Masem that in article attribution needs to be shown. Gotitbro (talk) 07:53, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Definitely support Blurb. He was among the most famous/prominent (if not the most) Table players. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cyclone Chido

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Article: Cyclone Chido (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Cyclone Chido makes landfall in Mozambique, and kills more than 63 people in Mayotte. (Post)
News source(s): AP, Reuters, BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrJaydenfire (talk • contribs) 20:40, 2024 December 15 (UTC)

Support – Orange tags addressed, article quality improved, significant disaster. There is still space for improvement but the article is suitable for feature. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 17:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oil spill in the Kerch Strait

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Article: 2024 Kerch Strait oil spill (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least one person has died and approximately 3,700 tonnes of oil has been spilled after two Russian oil tankers were damaged during a storm in the Kerch Strait. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Approximately 3,700 tonnes of oil has been spilled after two Russian oil tankers were damaged during a storm in the Kerch Strait.
News source(s): Kyiv Post ABC News Business Standard
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Of course the incident happened today, but I don't see the facts changing much until tomorrow. CommissarDoggoTalk? 19:10, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until the environmental toll becomes clear. I also recommend rewriting the blurb as something similar to "Two oil tankers cause an oil spill after being heavily affected by a storm in the Kerch Strait". Departure– (talk) 19:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Makes sense, yeah. I will note that it's not actually clear at the moment whether both of the vessels are leaking oil, what is clear is that Volgoneft-212 is. I'll definitely write a shorter altblurb though. CommissarDoggoTalk? 19:20, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I don't think the death toll is notable if it's only 1. Oil spills don't typically cause super high human fatalities, and since this is even below that bar, the death toll itself shouldn't be in the blurb. (Do not take this as an oppose vote.) Departure– (talk) 19:34, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What about killing a vast number of non-human lifeforms? Also let please not use WP:MINIMUMDEATHS arguments if we can help it. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:26, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm talking about blurb syntax. I don't remember the last time we posted an oil spill but all eyes should be on the environmental consequences, not the one guy who died in the shipwreck. Departure– (talk) 22:04, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We have posted major oil spills that had no initial loss of human life, such as Norilsk oil spill in 2020. We do need to get an idea of how much oil actually spilt, there's potential for a lot from the capacity of the ships but no word to the estimate of how many gallons actually spilled. — Masem (t) 22:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I realize I worded that weirdly. It's not an oppose vote, I'm just saying that the blurb we do post shouldn't include the single human fatality that has occurred so far. I'll wait to vote until the extent of damage to the environment becomes clearer. Departure– (talk) 22:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We'll probably get an estimate some time tomorrow, with the storm apparently ongoing and it being around 01:17 in that area right now complicating things. CommissarDoggoTalk? 22:18, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Abcmaxx and Masem. Oil spills are significant as they cause environmental disasters, and we have posted such events in the past.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:23, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Update per Novaya Gazeta source: both the 212 and 239 had leaked oil. State media reports that both leaks have stopped, but a maximum of 3,000 tonnes of oil had been spilled into the environment. This is well below the figure of 17,500 from the Norilsk spill or indeed many other spills since then. I'm really not seeing much reason to post if these reports are to be believed. The most that could have theoretically leaked is between 9,000 and 10,000 tonnes. However, given the background of the Russo-Ukrainian war and the current state of Crimea and the location of the spill in the Kerch Strait region, this might just garner enough notability to be posted, but I'm not seeing that yet, as of 14:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC). I do think a lot of these oil spills should be posted, alongside derechoes as well (the August 2020 Midwest derecho was the costliest thunderstorm in history and was closed in nominations for being "not important in the context of wider US politics / etc" - I think Cedar Rapids was still dealing with damage repair earlier this year) - these events have significant impact that can be much wider than be deduced solely by news coverage. Departure– (talk) 14:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 14

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RD: John Spratt

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Article: John Spratt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former high-ranking U.S. representative. Curbon7 (talk) 01:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Isak Andic

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Article: Isak Andic (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Co-founder of Mango. 240F:7A:6253:1:E8CD:74DA:23C1:323A (talk) 06:22, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Georgian presidential election

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Article: 2024 Georgian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Mikheil Kavelashvili is elected President of Georgia. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Passed a few hours ago. There'll be protests and whinging the next 2 weeks (especially on dec 29th, but per the remit of wiki he is elected. Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:14, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Umm, USA uses an electoral college (technically trump is not elected yet, that happens this month)Sportsnut24 (talk) 14:06, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are two big differences. Firstly, the US president administers the executive power, so the method of election is irrelevant as long as it's an ITN/R item. Secondly, there is an open presidential election in the US to determine the composition of the Electoral College, whereas the presidential election in Georgia is done under closed doors by an Electoral College composed of all parliament members (50%) and other representatives (50%). The comparison will hold if the open presidential elections are abolished in the US, and the president is elected by the members of the Senate and representatives of other governing bodies.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:23, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is head of state.Sportsnut24 (talk) 14:06, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We typically post changes in the leaders that hold executive power, not necessarily the head of state. That would be the PM in Georgia under its current system. In the US, it's the president. In India, it's the PM (not the president). In Germany, it's the Chancellor (not the president). We may discuss changes in ceremonial posts, too - e.g. King Charles III was posted - but it's not ITNR and it's not a given. Khuft (talk) 14:36, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait The story here is not that a new President of Georgia was elected by Parliament, but that the election is disputed and this may lead to a constitutional crisis if e.g. protests become even more disruptive or the current president Zourabichvili decides to refuse to leave. So let's wait to see how the situation evolves. Khuft (talk) 14:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The protesters may not accept the new president, and Zourabichvili may refuse to leave, but it's really irrelevant in the whole story. Georgian Dream have full control over the Electoral College, so they can practically elect any candidate they want. In general, ruling political parties elect the president almost always when there's no open presidential election.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    My point was rather, if the situation degenerates in Georgia, there may be something to post. But that will be a revised nomination, if it happens. Khuft (talk) 15:49, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That should be a separate nomination.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait, per Khuft Let us also not underestimate what is happening. The fact that a president denies that she wants to leave office because she considers the parliamentary elections to be fraudulent (and European institutions have also pronounced so) is not trivial, it is notorious and could lead to a constitutional crisis for the most important office in the country, even though have not executive powers. In any case, it has been customary to post the election of presidents of republics of parliamentary systems. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:37, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb wasn't elected, he was nominated, or you could go as far as saying installed. Opposition is currently boycotting every process since the falsified elections Abcmaxx (talk) 20:49, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    no, he has been elected by Parliament, even if he has not taken office. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a sham election, ran unopposed, so he was de facto installed by an undemocratic regime. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:00, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose If I have all the details here straight:
  • This wasn't a general election—that was in October—and the head of government in Georgia is actually the prime minister, so this is not under WP:ITN/R.
  • The actually notable thing about this process seems to be the turmoil around it: according to the BBC, the outgoing(?) president refuses to recognize the results, opposition parties boycotted the process, and there are protests in the streets. That feels significant to me, but this nomination does not really bring them up.

I agree that we should wait (per Khuft and _-_Alsor) and see if this becomes a real constitutional crisis, and then renominate (per Kiril Simeonovski). Yo.dazo (talk) 21:31, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Impeachment of Yoon Suk Yeol

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Article: Impeachment of Yoon Suk Yeol (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The President of South Korea, Yoon Suk Yeol (pictured) is impeached following his declaration of martial law. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The President of South Korea Yoon Suk Yeol is impeached following his martial law order in the second attempt by a vote of 204-85-11 with Han Duck-soo becoming interim president.
News source(s): The Guardian BBC Al Jazeera
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Passed with a vote of 204 in favour. Ornithoptera (talk) 08:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. --Direct700 (talk) 08:07, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
support Came here to post it. Added alt blurb. It has to go through the constitutional court, but he will likely resign tonight.Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:10, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Second blurb's information is slightly incorrect, because it was 85 opposed, with the 11 remaining between abstentions and spoiled ballots. Ornithoptera (talk) 08:14, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, fixed. Change if you want.Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:23, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: 204 - 85 would be better statement Didgogns (talk) 08:12, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Add a comma in the main blurb. 208.92.245.20 (talk) 08:15, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But I would still Support. This is a major event in South Korea. 208.92.245.20 (talk) 08:22, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would lean towards the main blurb because it gets the point across nicely. 208.92.245.20 (talk) 08:25, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: clearly a major global event TheFellaVB (talk) 08:25, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Impeaching of a certain head of state is a major event. Moraljaya67 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 08:35, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You mean sitting head of state?Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:50, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Moraljaya67 (talk) 10:35, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support for self-evident and WP:ITN/R reasons. Yo.dazo (talk) 08:49, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ASAP, article clearly in good shape, and hopefully the beginning of the end of political turmoil in South Korea.廣九直通車 (talk) 09:00, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Major news HurricaneEdgar 09:04, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Should we replace the ITN image too? No offence meant towards Gukesh, but I think this is kind of more important. Also, we should probably replace the image with one of Han Duck-soo since he's now the acting president. Yo.dazo (talk) 09:19, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there's a image on Commons showing National Assembly Speaker Woo Won-shik signing the impeachment resolution. Maybe that would be a good selection.廣九直通車 (talk) 10:54, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. River10000 (talk) 13:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is ITNR, so the new prez should be mentioned.Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:08, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting comment Would an image of Han Deok-soo be available to put? Dyaquna (talk) 03:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 13

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RD: Lorraine O'Grady

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Article: Lorraine O'Grady (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ARTnews
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American conceptual artist. 240F:7A:6253:1:1BC:CF87:9EC0:9B1E (talk) 01:35, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

+1, giant of conceptual art, important Black woman artist Raggachampiongirl (talk) 03:21, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are you commenting on quality, or notability? All Recent Deaths entries are notable enough to be posted, and if you do want to see this processed sooner your comments and direct improvement efforts should focus on whether the article is well cited and updated. Departure– (talk) 03:30, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Soft oppose for a few uncited statements, but otherwise the article looks quite good. ForsythiaJo (talk) 18:41, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kevin Andrews

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Article: Kevin Andrews (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5], [6]
Credits:

Article updated
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 Happily888 (talk) 01:25, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New French PM

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Article: François Bayrou (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ François Bayrou is appointed Prime Minister of France. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ François Bayrou is appointed Prime Minister of France after the collapse of the Barnier government.
News source(s): The Guardian, L'Express
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Bayrou was nominated by Macron today; transfer of power from Barnier happened in the afternoon. Khuft (talk) 19:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article is not sufficiently updated. The rest of the article isn't a quality showstopper for ITN though, so a few more sentences in the body would help here. Departure– (talk) 21:32, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Blurb should probably link (but not necessarily highlight) the no-confidence vote that led to this. --Masem (t) 01:51, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt-blurb now that the entry has been updated with information about Bayrou's strong-arm tactic -- the threat of removing centrist support for the government if Le Cornu were nominated instead... (nb: automatic ITN/R) -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 11:41, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 12

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RD: Wolfgang Becker (director, born 1954)

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Article: Wolfgang Becker (director, born 1954) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deutsche Filmakademie
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: German Film director who became known internationally by one film, Good Bye, Lenin!, but who was influential also in other ways. Article is growing, you can help. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: article is in good enough shape, and fully cited. Ready for ITN in my book. UndercoverClassicist T·C 19:50, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Papia Sarwar

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Article: Papia Sarwar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.thedailystar.net/news/bangladesh/obituary/news/papia-sarwar-no-more-3774396; https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/people/367888/rabindra-sangeet-icon-papia-sarwar-passes-away
Credits:

Article updated
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 VeilVanguard (talk) 13:42, 13 December 2024 (UTC) — VeilVanguard (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of CosmLearner (talk · contribs). jlwoodwa (talk) 18:03, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soft support. Everything appears to be sourced, but the article is still quite short and only two sentences in the articles are about her career. Would love to see the article further expanded before it's posted. ForsythiaJo (talk) 17:25, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Clarke Reed

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Article: Clarke Reed (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: NYT published obituary on this date. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:39, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Article looks long enough and everything seems to be well cited. ForsythiaJo (talk) 17:31, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. --ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 06:11, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) The Game Awards 2024

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Article: The Game Awards 2024 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Astro Bot wins Game of the Year at the Game Awards. (Post)
News source(s): WaPost (live blog), NYTimes, NPR, BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Congratulations, to the winner. Moraljaya67 (talk) 04:07, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment to only point out this is not yet ITNR, but if this is posted, that will be the 4th consecutive year we have posted it, and we should open an ITNR discussion for that. However, right now, I'm looking for non-gaming news coverage of this, it might be there tomorrow morning (typically when the major outlets have covered in the past). --Masem (t) 04:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Masem: I was under the impression that the BAFTA and its best game award were the more prestigious in the industry (also not on ITNR).
    And do we really want to put an award show less than a decade old which has this on its lead para: "The show's reception is generally mixed: it has been lauded for its announcements and criticized for its lack of acknowledgement of events, use of promotional content and its treatment of award winners." Gotitbro (talk) 07:27, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The BAFTAs are probably more prestigious but certainly less popular (and that's probably more of a discussion to have in April anyway). The Game Awards is technically more than a decade old (though only just), and I'm not sure how strongly its critical reception should influence its ITN eligibility. The Oscars, Emmys, and Grammys certainly have their fair share of growing criticism, for instance—often seemingly more than the Game Awards—but ultimately that doesn't make them any less significant or newsworthy. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 09:10, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, we posted last few years and it really should be on ITN/R. Article still needs work though. FunIsOptional (talk) (use ping please) 04:14, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - It meets the criteria, we have posted this ceremony for the past 4 years, and there is a similar amount of prose as the articles for previous years which, as I said, did get posted. Rahcmander (talk) 18:39, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) World Chess Championship 2024

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Article: World Chess Championship 2024 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Challenger Gukesh Dommaraju (pictured) wins the 2024 World Chess Championship in Singapore with a score of 7.5-6.5 over previous champion Ding Liren. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Challenger Gukesh Dommaraju (pictured) wins the 2024 World Chess Championship, becoming the youngest undisputed World Chess Champion at the age of 18.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Gukesh Dommaraju (pictured) defeats Ding Liren in the 2024 World Chess Championship and becomes the youngest undisputed world champion at the age of 18.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Gukesh Dommaraju (pictured) defeats Ding Liren in the 2024 World Chess Championship, becoming the youngest-ever world chess champion at the age of 18.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ In chess, Gukesh Dommaraju (pictured) becomes the youngest undisputed world champion at the age of 18, after defeating Ding Liren.
News source(s): The New York Times, The Hindu, Chess.com
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.74.216.56 (talk • contribs)

How about "Gukesh Dommaraju becomes the youngest World Chess Champion at the age of 18 years, breaking a record held by Garry Kasparov since 1985."? 9ninety (talk) 14:00, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added as part of an alt blurb. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 14:03, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added "undisputed" as Ruslan Ponomariov was younger when he won the FIDE World Chess Championship 2002. He broke Kasparov's age record from 1985.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since the undisputed title attracts greater recognition, I still think it's worth mentioning that Kasparov's record, which stood for nearly forty years, has been broken. Gukesh is four years younger than Kasparov was when he won the title; it's safe to say this record will likely never be broken. 9ninety (talk) 16:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Support ALT2 ALT3 is inaccurate since Ponomariov was younger than him when he won the FIDE world championship, there is also no need to link chess. Setarip (talk) 20:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not the right place to discuss.
*Comment I don't know who is responsible for the posting but how come this has been posted but the news of the Ghanaian elections haven't been posted even though this was nominated today and the later was nominated on December 7? Heatrave (talk) 23:29, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do not compare this way, each one is judged individually. For the Ghanian elections news, you can see there are opposes with reasons mentioned and consensus is in building process, whereas this article news had a snowball of support. This is not a forum to compare different news. Thanks, ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 07:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @ExclusiveEditor this is not a comparison. It is more of a reminder. One is an election, one is a world championship and posting is 5 days apart. It's a matter of circumstance that this received an overwhelming support in comparison to a the Ghanaian election due to the audience profile but if nothing at all, reviews should be done in order of when it was posted.
    News is news regardless of whether it received a snowball of support. In this case, one is around the election of the president of a country. Most elections are treated with urgency and i do not see why this should be different.
    Are we saying that a nomination needs a snowball to be posted? If other elections were not posted 6 days after official declaration by the recognised Electoral body, i believe this should not be different.
    I'm not saying that the world championship is not important, but the Ghanaian election was one of the biggest headlines in Africa and world at that time and it just feels like it has just been relegated. I don't believe other elections have experienced the same feat. Heatrave (talk) 12:07, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Clive Robertson

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Article: Clive Robertson (broadcaster) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [9], [10]
Credits:

Article needs updating
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 Happily888 (talk) 08:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Still missing a number of citations. ForsythiaJo (talk) 17:19, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 11

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(Reviews needed) RD: Hugh Cornish

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Article: Hugh Cornish (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [11], [12], [13]
Credits:

Article updated
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 Happily888 (talk) 00:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Fraser Hart

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Article: John Fraser Hart (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): American Association of Geographers
Credits:

Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: American geographer. Obituary published 11 December. Thriley (talk) 09:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jim Leach

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Article: Jim Leach (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American academic and politician. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I've gone ahead and just removed the two remaining uncited/or claims. Should be good to go now. ForsythiaJo (talk) 17:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: David Bonderman

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Article: David Bonderman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American billionaire businessman. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Khalil Haqqani

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Article: Khalil Haqqani (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Taliban minister for refugees, killed in a suicide bomb. Article is only included day of death by not means, needs updating. Masem (t) 13:37, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support as updates related to the death are good and well-sourced, and the article doesn't seem to need cleanup.
~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 16:57, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Ok now Bremps... 19:27, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've done a bit of clean-up of the article, principally adding an archive-URL for one of the main sources that had gone dead. That showed that there is uncertainty when he was born, with an eight-year span. There was coding in the infobox that he was 58 by the time he died and I don't know whether that was put there because the article had a birthdate of 1 Jan 1966 shown, or whether there is a reliable source for that age. If there is, it would be worth tidying up the birth year range before this gets posted. If there isn't a RS, then it's ready as is. Schwede66 03:52, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It’s been tweaked further and the (approximate) year of birth is now referenced to Twitter. Oh dear. Schwede66 16:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: Added much better source for date of birth, should be good to post now. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:14, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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